The Mystery of The Green Man Explained - Clan Lore
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- The Green Man and his origins may be mysterious, but this is how we explain him and his overwhelming reach throughout the world. MOST of the myths spoken about herein are as our clan records and understands them, not the popular or wildly understood versions.
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I think the character of Tom Bombadil in LOTR could be a depiction of the Green Man.
For me, whenever I enter an ancient woodland, there's a spirit, a presence that is impossible to define. The whisper in the trees.
The Green Man is as old as the wind.
You’re missing the obvious correlation to the Ents in LOTR. Tom is more like the embodiment of good/merriment, the equal but opposite to the evil in the world. The “good things in the world worth fighting for” from Sam the Brave’s speech.
Oh my! Yes! Quite so!
We were born before the wind
Also, younger than the sun
'Ere the bonnie boat was won
As we sailed into the mystic
The Green Man comes from a time when Europe and the British Isles were covered by a thick forest. When men were moving from a hunter-gatherer to an agricultural way of life, our ancestors had to clear the land, fell tree's and grow crops. They used their knowledge of the seasons to grow crops which makes the green man and the regrowth that he represents, a source of good. However, I believe that the slightly eerie aspect of the Green Man comes from the fact that nature is relentless and can't be controlled. Nature reoccupies whatever structure, farm, town or city that mankind has failed to maintain and eventually destroys them which makes the Green Man a watcher who regenerates and waits and who eventually takes back what once was his.
That's a good way of looking at it 😁
He represents our connection with and dependence upon nature.
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Historically we have no idea what the 'Green Man' represented if anything.
Any such talk is modern wishful thinking.
The Christmas Tree 💙
I've been a witch for 5 years now and a pagan the same amount of time and I've always struggled to find a deity I've connected with, but green man (oak king/holly king as well) have always meant something to me, as well as cernunnos! So the moment you said cernunnos IS the green man I got chills and it makes so much sense to me now! Thank you for this video!
My pride and pleasure, thank you for coming to the Tavern and enjoying a story or two 😁
They're not really the same thing, though; the Green Man represents the masculine aspect of the spirit of the Wildwood itself, and the human connection with it, while Cernunnos is the Lord of the Forest, representing the animal spirit, and our connection with animals.
I saw the Green Man in a tree, in a Tesco's car park! I went over to visit a person in the UK and also went to see The Who and this happened when I was sitting in the car, waiting for my friend to get back from picking up a few things. I am an American Wiccan and was down in Dorset for 11 days. I saw Stonehenge and Avebury and many other places but seeing The Green Man was one of the coolest things that has ever happened to me!
He is a spectacular existence
I am so happy for you!
I actually saw his face in the tree outside my window whilst I was laying in bed for weeks recovering from something. I really appreciated seeing that.
was that a sort of clairvoyance or intuitive, meditative perhaps etc occurrence invocation ??? have some wales father background and they did not like to share much about such ideas beliefs and that i had to find out on my own...
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You do realise, don't you, that the 'Green Man' does not exist in folklore'? He only 'exists' as stone and wooden carvings.
From what I have read and learned from many stories, I have always thought of him as the Spirit of the Primeval Forest which probably covered most of Europe from Stone Age times. I think that imprinted on the earliest inhabitants, just as Joseph Campbell spoke of so many later mythologies coming from these ancient roots. I agree with you that Cernunnos had to be related, and the comment below mentions, the source of Tom Bombadil and perhaps the Pukel men from Tolkien's LOTR. I love that you are telling the ancient stories and keeping them alive. As an American with Scottish and Irish roots, I've loved learning the lore of our ancestors -- I think many of us whose ancestors have been here in the States for generations, feel that we are cut off from our past in Europe. It's good to have people like you who can help us learn what we've lost! Thank you for being our bard!
Thank you for such a kind and insightful comment 🙏💚
I can't claim credit for these stories, as it's a long line of ancestors and a long standing tradition that brought them to me, our Clan has worked and bled for centuries to bring them to me. But I am privileged to share them with you, and I appreciate you helping to keep them alive and sharing the whimsy.
You are now a fellow guardian of these tales 🙏
I agree so much! Not enough thanks can be given...truly.. Ive been on my ancestor journey for a while 10th generation American proudly but my ancestors on my father's side came from black Forest germany....and had to dig my way through different religions pre Christian times and this is what I came to....the stories of the Brocken led me to this and its just what I was looking for! Thank you truly!
We have a depiction of the Green Man hanging in our living room. The Green Man has always been my favorite entity (?). My ancestors are all either Northern Irish or Welsh. Love listening to you and watching your videos!
Considering that the proposed bridge from Ireland to Wales would indicate their proximity, it wouldn’t be too much if a stretch to assume that instead of being one *or* the other, you’re both.
(H-ll of a run-on, no?)
Also, you'll find metric crap tonnes of common ancestry amongst Celtic, Pictish, and Scandinavian clans and families. Common goals and enemies and all that.
In the Welsh pantheon, The Green Man would be Mabon, the son of Mother Earth and protector of forests and animals.
As always another awesome video. I love learning more about the Primordials and how they’re stories spread so broadly across the world.
And the Green Man is always going to be one of my favorites because of just how far the figure spreads and how very vague he is in general academia
I heard about the Green Man from a friend that works for a rennisance festival I attend once a year. I never knew the lore about this character until now! This stuff is inspirational!
Well, I'm glad your first trip to the Tavern had been an eventful one, I hope it will bring you back😁
Thank you so very much for covering the Green Man. He and Cernnunos are one in the same. Please make more videos about him and the evolution that he has gone through over the years.
Also, if i may make a request; please do a segment on Danu.
I just found your channel. I am most definitely subscribing
I will do my best to get to everything. We have quite the list of topics to get through.
very nice story :) in finland we have a figure, Tapio, for the woods, but no green man. Though there is Sampsa Pellervoinen, who seeded the first plants and was waken up every spring with rituals/festivals to seed plants again. we're lucky to know these names but i've seen no drawings :)
these green man figures seem to be all over europe, in churches and such too. could be from the times when christianity existed along with old culture
It certainly seems to be the case that, because he was a less polarizing figure than some old gods, that early European Christians adopted his figure into these depictions as a way of using a trusted figure to combine the traditions of old heathens and pagans with their own.
In the stories we keep Metsähine is the equivalent of the Green Man and Tapio would be closer to Cernunnos and the horned god. Though I do know that they are usually conflated or seen as the same, our traditions have them as separate beings, like how we see Cernunnos and the Green Man.
@@BlackDragonTavern ok nice. neverh heard of metsähine, but sounds logical :D
thanks for the insight
Beautiful video ❤ I love your tapestry, by the way, keep up the great work!
I love that this appeared on my suggested videos after I paid my respects to our carving of the Greenman in our house 💚
Fortuitous indeed 🙏👆
My artist friend and I curated an anthology entitled "Urban Green Man" which was nominated for an award, and we are celebrating the tenth anniversary of its publication. I love greenman stories!
That sounds absolutely beautiful, you should tweet that at me, I would love to share it with the rest of the Tavern patrons!
I just started my path with Celtic polytheism, I can tell your channel is going to really help me.
I am glad to have you here at the Tavern. I have many tales passed down through oral tradition in my family, so you will hear versions of stories not widely available from time to time 🙏💚😁
There are all kind of nature spirits who can choose to prent themselves clad in bark or leaves, sometimes vwn a bit frightening, to ward off intruders. Upon further acquaintance they can choose a different appearance. My daughter occasionally reports on meeting them and about meeting Herne/Cernunnos. Fascinating
I am a cello student and am having a Baroque Cello made. It was common to have a figurehead carved above the peg box where the scroll is traditionally placed but I have asked the luthier to carve a Green Man in place of a scroll. A personal touch.
I just learned of The Green Man through a class I am taking with Matthew Fox. With anything new I am trying to get as much information as I can about this archetype and mythos. Thanks for this energetic presentation and cultural information. According to Fox, this is an important positive masculine archetype that needs to be reawakened in our culture.
I'm not familiar with Mr. Fox, but he's not wrong.
There are many aspects of the old ways that have died out due to prosperity that have made people soft and vulnerable.
Thank you for sharing 👆
@@BlackDragonTavern The Hidden Spirituality of Men: Ten Metaphors to Awaken the Sacred Masculine by Matthew Fox
@@jewels14r I will most definitely give it a read.
@@BlackDragonTavern Is it possible to have a segment on Brigid. I created a collage and she was one of the pictures I chose, however, I really do not know much about her. Thanks
I do have a couple videos on her, though they are not specific to her, they are in the Celtic/Gaelic pantheon playlist.
And I most definitely could do a full video on her
I saw the green man twice as a kid, playing a bit in front of my house door on the ground. It didn't see me and looked supposed to see me as it came off from the bushes ( hedge) I decided not to react and probably for for a few seconds and carried on playing and it walked a few steps ahead by a tree and I didn't see it. The next I saw it again sneaking like camouflaging by the bushes and I did t want to look in fear and I looked away. Its face was very close to your thumbnail of the green man, it's body was green and it had leaves growing from it, but it had vines like on its body but also similar to a tree that have many groves. The closest thing to it was the TV show swamp thing but not the new one but the dolls 1990sor easily 2000 one. But the face- that had the leaves that looks like a sun shape 🌞 but the eyes, that's was like human eyeballs but green skin and and dark black/brown eyes. His feet were wide, and big and the body was wet like it was from a swamp.
Where we lives back then there were a few houses and some field. I'm sure where was some swamp or lake cos it's wants far from the beach. This was in Srilanka though
What a fascinating series of events. 😲 I'm sure they've stuck with you quite fervently over the years.
Thank you for sharing your tale to the Tavern 🙏
When I was a small boy, I had 2 experiences with what I believe was the green man. At 35, I still believe very strongly that these are true. The first, was one day, I looked out the window, and a small, dwarven character appeared and waved at me, as a postman would wave at you. My 2 sisters both claimed they saw him too. None of us thought it was unusual or "off". He seemed very happy and cheerful, like a grandfather you never knew you had. It was like he was checking on us or something. Anyways, the second time I met him, I was a little bit older, (maybe 6-8). He came again, but he was like a young teenager in appearance, and he was in our home. He was very playful and energetic. He was playing silly tricks on us and such. Then he was like an older brother. It was only later, we mentioned we had all seen the green man to our parents, and were told that was just our imagination. Well, our imagination must be super good, and I guess we are telepathic too.... Anyways, my belief is if the green man appears to you as a youth, you will have a strong connection to the natural world for your life. All of us grew up loving insects, mushrooms, birds, animals of all kinds, and plants.
Lovely story my friend makes me want to get on some hiking shoes and hang out under some trees today
Absolutely believe he is with certain people's spirits
I have been studying primal/primordial magic, and would be thrilled to hear your rake on it
Absolutely, what would you like to hear?
What is primal/primordial magic. What I would like to know is the arwyn. how did they differ from druids, and what was their magic like. If you could do a video about it that would be great.
I had never heard of the green man before, until he visited me in a dream. I am still trying to depict what it means
Even if it's 'just people sharing stories', the fact this figure has been talked about so long tells you to human consciousness, it's perennial and salient. And what's human consciousness but consciousness? And what's consciousness but a mirror of the universe? So, I'm just digging it man!
Also thanks for this introduction :)
My absolute pleasure, thank you for joining me in the Tavern my friend 😎
I love to hear more of these primordials you speak of and green man is interesting figure since his origins are shrouded in mystery
He is certainly enigmatic
It is fun to think about this kind of stuff. I can see how it might all look interconnected. I worry about over generalizing a pattern though. People notice seasons changing and make up a story about it I think. I don't know if this is an archetype or just general observations people keep in story form because it makes knowledge fun to pass on. Humans are good at play.
Love the presentation and the background music. I used to think all were one...I don't now. Keep it alive though, there is something there.
From experiences I’ve had, I’d suggest maybe The Green Man spontaneously manifests from our collective consciousness’s understanding of an aspect nature’s seasons.
I have once read that the Green Man is the basis of the Robin hood mythology and all other stories and myths about outlaws that living in the forests of Great Britain. But on the other hand, this Green Man is a very speculative creature and pan-European ornament motif in architecture, and no other connection has been found between it and Robin Hood than the woods, mustache and the Green color. Likewise, it is also believable that the various accounts of some outlaws that living in the British forests are somewhat believable and not just pure fiction, albeit they can be very exaggerated and colored with additional spices.
I actually hadn't heard this, but it is an incredibly interesting contrast.
And yes, the hero archetype, especially in the Great Britain era of heros, did pull a lot from these ancient spirits of bounty. Some were very real, and some were just spirits of hope.
My sweet brother loved Green Man. You are so like my sweet Peter. He was blustery and joyful. But a more gentle soul you'd never meet. Bless you!
Very interesting video, I've always found the Green Man to be extremely compelling. A little feedback, though - the music is a nice touch but it's a little loud, it's distracting and makes it kind of hard for me to understand what you're saying, especially 8 minutes in.
Dialing the music in has been a chore. I do all my own editing and I'm nearly deaf in my right ear, so I do get it wrong some times
I appreciate you letting me know🙏
You really are just delightful!! ❤ thanks!!
Oh I try my damnedest 😅
Thanks for creating this channel. I'm new to myth-history but I've always been very interested in it..I've seen 'things' in certain areas of Edinburgh and Roslin. Thanks again from Canada!
I made this channel quite literally for you. I was very fortunate to grow up in a family that has a rich culture of stories and traditions.
This channel is meant to share that with those who have lost their roots, or who have wandered far from them.
I hope you will enjoy the many tales and adventures we have here in my Tavern 🙏
Thanks so much for being wisdom too so many at once 💞🙏
It is always my pleasure 🙏
More! I would love to hear even more on this engimatic being from your perspective. Such an amazing, edifying video... he's my go-to-patron so I always appreciate such powerful and insightful wisdom shared about him.
I just learned this from you, the green man. I saw the invitation from King Charles to appoint his wife the queen and saw the artwork w green man on it. Thank you!
That's very interesting! I didn't know that 🤔
I was under the impression that the Green Man was Spring and the Horned God as his counterpart in the Fall/Autumn.
I think the Green Man is the archetypal expression of masculine fertility and resurrection. Ancient and resilient and ever vital.
That is a definite possibility 👆
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But nonsense.
Are you willing to consider that the Green Man is an archetype in all of us? And why we see him is because we seek greater harmony in ourselves.
That spring is not 'Spring as a Season', rather the budding and freshness that occurs when we allow our old ways of being, beliefs, thoughts, words, projections, perceptions, fears, labels, and anything that limits or labels us or another, so that we burst forth more in our authenticity with greater vitality. "Dying' to the old, leaving the 'comfort' of winter (comfort zones) of winter. All of this death can only occur when the 'divine' masculine goes inward, deep in the forest of our inner selves, under the blanket of snow/frigidity/barrenness, coming out, taking responsibility, moving (springing) towards a solution and taking the action to change his/her old ways of being.
The old gods aren't archetypes. Paganism is fundamentally and unapologetically animistic... the gods, like all spirits and beings, are sovereign persons; they exist. Archetypes are more likely to follow the presence of a deity rather than be identified with it. In other words, a repeating archetypal pattern in human people exposes the existence of a deity who protects that thread of the cosmic tapestry.
Makes sense
My comicbook character, Joe Plant is a Green Man.
Oh? Is this a comic you wrote? That sounds fascinating 😮
@@BlackDragonTavern Yes. I wrote and drew it.
The green man can also be found in the Mediterranean and as far as Indonesia too!
Yes indeed, he can be found in many places 😁
Makes so much sense .
🙏💚😁
Just got my entire shoulder inked with a Green Man! Cool video and first time I’ve seen this channel. Glad to have found it
Very glad to have you 💚
Wow mate, I think a lot of us have been disconnected from this knowledge. Still feel a connection. Cheers from Oz
We most certainly have. But there's always the Tavern, where your roots are waiting 🙏
Cheers my friend
At some point every summer I will see him, his face or sometimes a full figure, in trees or undergrowth, like the way we see faces in clouds.
I think it's all the same guy but, since we only know through story, every culture, maybe every person has their own Greenman. Kinda like the Boogieman.
Ah, so like a fetch?
@@BlackDragonTavern Yes, but in a good way.
I see. That is quite fascinating, thank you for sharing 🤔
About Tolkien, I rather thing that Tom Bombadil is closer to the Green Man than Radagast. Even the ents are closer, according to me ...
Lol all fair points 👆
Thanks for posting. I looked up information about the green man, because he is said to be the face that is often included in Victorian decorations such as art, architecture, and furniture. I have a carved antique China cabinet that has the face of the green man included in the scroll carving.
That's terribly interesting, I'd love to see the design 🙏
'Green man'
Spring won't come, a need for strife
To struggle, to be freed from hard ground
The evening mists that creep and crawl
Shall drench me in dew and so I drown.
I'm the green man
Sol in prime, sweet summertime
Cast shadows of doubt on my face
A mid day sun, it's caustic hues
Refracting within the still lake
I'm the green man
Autumn in her flaming dress
Of of orange, brown, gold fallen leaves
My mistress of the frigid night
I worship, pray to on my knees
I'm the green man
Winter's breath of filthy snow
Befrosted paths to the unknown
Have my lips become true purple?
Life is coming to an end
So says me me Wiccan friend
Nature coming full circle
I'm the green man
The green man
(-Type O Negative)
A lot of people like to insist that pagan gods are just all metaphor and symbology but they are really not I've directly asked for help before in times of Storm from specific storm gods and it works at least 85% of the time.
I think that the world of God's is so far beyond what we can comprehend that whoever is out there laughs at us as we try to figure it out.
When i was a kid i never questioned or looked into “the green man” because i thought it was just a nightmare from sleep paralysis. I saw a glowing green square bushlike entity with a a mouth that looked like homer simpsons’. The room was dark, and it was just swinging from the window and talking in some giberisch that sounded like lots of people talking at once. Of course i got scared and pulled the blankets over me. Soon it disappeared and havent seen it ever since. It really shocked me that once my curiosity awoke on what entity i saw. I searched google for green entity swinging from the window, and thats how i found out that what i saw was real.. Crazy
The things we see that are inexplicable are truly a fantastic part of the mystery of the world.
Tolkien was a scholar of all sorts of ancient tales and myths -- I am certain the Green Man is related to the Professor's Ents.
It's entirely probably 👆
I am going to get a bit heretical and suggest that Cernunnos and the Green man are separate natural entities slightly more sympathetic toward fauna and flora respectively.
I would say that's a fair characterization 👆
I looove these stories I am learning. I'm more or less a Jungian, and I believe our common myths come from the common central nervous system of man. Long ago, our brains were different, and many more people heard "the gods" (bicameral mind) which were not outside of themselves, but a part of what is now unconscious (for most of us). The great journey in life is to be who you really are and know your place in oneness with all...the aware integration of the conscious, unconscious, and collective unconscious. But that's just me. 🕉
The Green Man represents our connection with nature, and Cernunnos is our connection with and protector of the wild beats of the forest.
I think that is a fair notion
I love your content ! Thank you 💚
Thank you so much! I am flattered you enjoy your time in the tavern, and it is my pleasure and privilege to have you!
Thank you
Most welcome 🙏
Great vid. Love the idea of the green man!
Cheers 🙏
The green man exists. And so do green ladies.
I saw him today on the 1st of may.
It was like looking through a microscope where the image is blurry until you focus in.
Well my mind focused into the branches that made a clear as day face for a split second.
The green man exists
What about Pan? Sorry if there’s already a comment about this. Wind in the Willows has a beautiful description of Pan. Just subscribed . ❤ this video!
Fascinating video. I'm currently working on a sculpture depicting a nature god of sorts so this video arrived at the perfect time, thanks a bunch for the information and inspiration. I hope you don't mind me mentioning that perhaps you could dial back on the background music, it's nice to have but it does obfuscate your voice at times. Keep up the great work.
I appreciate it, I'm hard of hearing on one side, so sometimes it's off, if you guys didn't tell me, I probably would never know😂 I appreciate it
@@BlackDragonTavern It was only really noticeabletowards the end, but I also have hearing problems where I find it hard to separate sounds so it might just be me lol
Lol it's most definitely not just you, I have had a couple comments agreeing with you 😅
The Old Gods are not archetypes. Paganism is, and always has been, emphatically animistic. The gods, as with all spirits and beings, are fully sovereign *persons* who exist in their own right. When we see the old gods reduced to archetypes it's a good sign that human exceptionalism is at play and that the human person is being held as somehow 'more than' the other non-human persons who inhabit and indwell the world.
As a Son of Robin I'd love to hear more about Robin Goodfellow and how he went from being a God to being demoted (if you can call that a demotion?) to fairy over time.
Well, interestingly enough, all the gods of the Tuatha De eventually were demoted to fairies, the little folk beneath the hills of Ireland. Any member of the descendants that was remembered eventually became known as a Sidhe.
has anyone in the chat ever seen the greeman ?
I have. In an oak tree in my backyard at a home I was renting. It was so cool to see.
I have seen the green man 2 times and his face was completely different both times. Fist time in the leaves of an oak tree when I was 19. The second time when I was 37 in a magnolia. I would love to hear how people are using their claires to interact with the Green Man. Why he came to you in the first place and what lessons you have learned from him as a lover, protector, healer…the list goes on and on…He is a magnificent guide and teacher ❤
These mythological archetypes all share a common lineage and the groups that had this in their mythology all had common ancestors.
The culture and people of pre-Christian Europe all share proto-indo-European ancestry. As such, the myths and tales of the Proto-Indo-European gods also share similarities among various European tribes throughout history.
Absolutely. And, as you are aware by now, our Clan traditions show us that most mythological figures share ancestry and some are even the same figure, interpreted differently over the centuries
@@BlackDragonTavern Exactly!
@@BlackDragonTavern Great video, by the way
It's likely The Green Man is pre-IE rather than Proto-IE, if of antiquity (which I absolutely believe he is). 'Wildness' and the deep forest aren't things cherished by the PIE peoples; but his personality definitely fits in with the deities that remained after PIE presence but don't fit with their cosmology. I have always felt that he is truly one of the Old Gods; present throughout Europe and many other parts of the world before the more orderly and cosmos-focused PIE folk arrived.
I LOVE your explanation!!!
As febuary is almost halfway over hail Green Man
🙏🙏🙏
Not just European Greenman appears in ancient Persian sone carvings among other places so definitely global archetype
Yes indeed 😁
The first time I learned about the green man was when I saw a carving of him at a craft fair. I was about 19 . I took it home with me and now I have about 20 of these depictions in my house. He has been my god for about 40 years now. I had read about his connection to Curnunnos and didn’t know if it was pronounced with a soft or hard c so I asked out loud and got a harsh gravelly voice tell me K!
If anyone would like to, please share your favorite prayers, songs and offerings for the Green Man ❤
“How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?”
As much as a woodchuck could 😎
If you have done a video on the Woodwose, I'd Love to see it.
I haven't done one since they are more Greco-Roman than Celtic or Norse, but I can keep it in mind for a video short in the future 😁
he sounds like a world worn traveller
I think that's a good way to put it
I have a picture of the green man , I came here by accident and now iam amazed and awwed .Because I snap a picture of him
Was An Fhoraois or The Green Man really ever present in Ireland. I cannot find any sources of him in Gaelic folklore
Not under the name of the Green Man, no. He's often mentioned in conjunction with or as Cernnunos. There is the "horned god" and Cernnunos. Each is mentioned distinctly but also parallel.
Thanks!
Thank you kindly for your generosity 🙏
Dude! When I was a baby, I remember sitting in the grass playing with pill bugs, and eating this plant that tastes like broccoli that was growing in the grass. And contemplating a reoccurring dream about an apocalyptic situation. Fires, death, chaos, a beautiful lady came to help me, and bring comfort. I was like 2 . Anyone she kisses turns green and hulk's out. I wasn't old enough to know about the hulk. I don't know if she kissed me. I'm not entirely sure it was a dream anymore. Universal ripples say something different. The song kids by the MGMT
Fascinating 🧐
Have you heard of Al Kidhr? Aka "The green Man" in the Middle East, aka St George everywhere else?
Yes I have 😁
I had a wonderful greenman dream about 25 years ago, would like to hear it?
I would love to hear it 🙏
Happy Solstice! I think that the Green Man and Celebration of the solstice represent the racial memory of survival in the face of a catastrophe of unbelievable proportions. Virtually every culture has stories of a time of darkness and chaos followed by renewal of the environment.
Holy moly the intro of this went SO hard
both i think could be, some of it heard from other tribes, some of it handed down by first accounts within the tribe
I'll be right back I have to go listen to hello my name is Dr Greenthumb
😂
Great video! My surname is legitmately Greenman, so im always eating up videos like these!
To answer the question: BOTH.
I came trying to figure out what seeing him in a dream means I'm pagan and used to go to mercian gatherings as a child
Life is coming to an end
So says me, me Wiccan friend
Nature coming full circle
Indeed it does.
I grew up in the Netherlands in a cmpletely atheistic family, and slowly while growng up I began to sens the spiritual world and many entities in it are real. I am commited to accept any such spiritual connection only if I feel in my heart that it is good and true. So over the years I came to recognize archangels, dragons, spirit animals, gods and godesses. I want to give a warning about "the green man": somehow I cannot connect, he feels "off" to me, something about him is wrong, my advice: be ware do not even approach!
We've all met a forest man right
Usually in some shape or form 😁
The green man is such a primal idea I think it could have multiple independent emergences. Trees and forests are Awesome so to believe there is some personification of that Awesome thing sounds like a good thing to believe.
That's wholly independent of other cultural markers.
It's a pretty universal belief.
As it should be.
It's the primal belief that trees and forests are powerful and we should not piss them off.
If only we'd heeded the warning.
Stupid apes that we are.
Luv and Peace.
A fair notion my friend
Do you think the green man and woodwose are the same thing?
That's a great question!
I don't think they are the same, but they are related.
The Green Man is more of a concept than a character. Think of him as the "spirit of the forest" where as the Woodwose were inhabitants of very specific forests.
So of the same nature, but not the same purpose
@BlackDragonTavern do you think the Woodwose are Europe's sasquatch? There's remarkable similarities, especially the wood knocking behaviour.
That's an interesting comparison. I can honestly say I've never thought of it that way. I suppose you could say so. They are quite similar in many ways.🤔
I just used the prompt ‘the green man’ into an AI image generator app and the results do not disappoint.
It is mega killer 😎
What is the Greenman's connection to the North Star?
Off the top of my head there's nothing I can remember. Though he does have some connections to the solstices and such, to a North Star specifically, I can't recall any stories or traditions
So whos the oldest horned god pan or cernunos? I think the green man is more of a European thing in indigenous American myths of my ancestry i dont think there is a green man or a horned god tho there are some female satyr looking spirits.
Technically, Cernunnos is older if we're talking about recorded myth and known oral traditions, HOWEVER there are a lot of parallels between the two
I saw it myself years ago. I knew absolutley nothing about or had ever even heard about the green man. I was walking home from a neighbors house and was standing on m front porch when i looked across the street and up at the large oak tree branches . There as plain as the nose on my face was a man surrounded by leaves staring straight at me. I couldne believe what i was seeing. I even rubbed m eyes and kept lookining and refocusing at this face. he was alive and just looking down at me. i told m husband and best friend about what i had seen. I had no idea what t was and where it came from? Until months later i was on the internet and googled alchemy and hit one thing that led me to the green man. i freaked and said to my husband "omg this is it this is exactly what I saw" I never would have believed it if i felt i had been influenced prior but i know for a fact i wasnt at all
This is fascinating! I love that when people see him, it's always in conjunction with oak trees. There are a few big, old, BEAUTIFUL oaks not far from my house. I must remember to spend a bit of time near them when spring arrives here next ;)
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The Green Man does not exist in folklore.
'He' is simply the wooden and stone carvings found in churches.
Before Lady Raglan coined the name 'Green Man' in 1938 he was simply a 'foliated head' - no other name was ever used.
The poster above may well have seen something - but it wasn't a Green Man.
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Loved this💚 This weekend in Hastings uk, is our 40th Jack in the green festival, ending with a huge procession of green bogies, green leafy people, giants, sweeps, morris, drummers, and many other characters, where it ends with the green man being stripped of his leaves. It is extraordinary, and grows wach year. The pubs and shops decorate with miles of ribbon and bunches of leaves. Tis my favourite festival of the year. 🌿🌼🌱🌻🍃🌺🍀🌸🌿⚘️🍃🪻🌱💐💚
The Oak king & holly king, summer & winter. Oak is said to be Green man = Jesus.
The Christmas Tree 💙
Thanks. Check the Goddess of Dawn, that is linked to green God.
I am familiar 😁
@@BlackDragonTavern the dawn is in every religion, amazing..
But powerfully misunderstood and interpreted poorly almost universally
@@BlackDragonTavern yes why is that, there is even only one Ushas hymn video, they seem pretty much unknown
Did you find the 21 explained in books?
Wait how does Kukulkan fit here? Yeah he's depicted as green (similarly to Quetzalcoatl) but i don't see any greater similarities. It's worth to point out tho that the Maya did have their own version of a world tree myth
Kukulkan was seen as a progenitor of prosperity. While the information from the pre-mexicanization of the Myth is sparse, Kukulkan was the god of storms and primordial life, and was strongly associated with the forest
Do Italians get to see the green man?
I am The Green Man . . .
I believe you
@@BlackDragonTavern … May the leaves of ivy decorate your chin whiskers as cool mosses soften your barefoot paths of life . . .
@@YManCyberDude Thank you :D
He is all plant 😁he’s all green . He’s a sprit plant being or something like that .
He most certainly could be 😎
The green man didn't originally come from Europe, Osiris was the original green man, call the lord of the green, guardian of the portal to the underworld, and the God of resurrection, in Mesopotamia, Osiris became AL Kidar, meaning the Green one, that is the first place you will find foliage leaves for a face, was in Mesopotamia, then his green cult trinkled down in Europe. The lady Rosalie, I think that's her name, was an French Occultist, and she coined the phrase The Green man.
Wrong on all counts.
@@YorkyOne prove me wrong, I don't believe in "because I said so" prove me wrong.
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Because there are two versions of the Green Man.
The 'leaf-mask' version where facial features actually grow into leaves and the 'disgorging heads' where branches and greenery sprout from the mouth. The first can be traced back to 2nd and 3rd century Rome. The origins of the disgorging head motif can be found in the Hindu legends of the lion headed demon - the kirttimukha. In the 4th - 6th centuries AD its image was combined with another mythical creature - the makara which was believed to disgorge wonderful things such as the 'Cosmic Tree'. The kirttimukha-makara motifs can be found in 12th century churches and probably arrived in the west via the Viking trading routes.
They quickly fell out of favour as the 'Green Man' motif was developed.
See Mercia MacDermott - 'Explore Green Men'.
Kathleen Basford - ' The Green Man'.
Jeremy Harte - 'The Green Man '.
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And it was English folklorist Lady Raglan who coined the name 'Green Man' in 1939.
Prior to that the carvings were known in Britain as 'foliate heads'.
In France they are described as 'masques de feuilles' (leaf masks) or 'masque feuillus' (foliate masks).
So basing an origin theory on the name 'Green Man' is a nonsense.
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And your evidence is?
When someone says to me Lord of the Rings has Christian themes I'm like no you just don't know anything and it's much older than that shit😂
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Cernunnos
Cernunnos 😎
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