Was nice to see you get a shoutout, have been subbed for a while. I ran OpenBSD for nearly a year full time and I have nothing bad to say about the experience.
From the book Absolute OpenBSD: "OpenBSD is best known as a server operating system, but it can be a very effective and powerful desktop system." Theo de Raadt called the book "The definitive book on OpenBSD".
It is so good to hear your voice again Root BSD! I'm sorry life has gotten in the way for you, it has me too. Times have been hard, but I'm glad to see you put out a new video. Hope everything in life works out for you my friend. Keep on recommending OpenBSD man!
Your channel is great. I don't use openBSD, freeBSD or other similar systems because I think it requires an advanced knowledge but I might try it someday after some study. Meanwhile I like watching videos about different types of OS.
Hey, I've used it as a teen, it's not particularly hard, the documentation is great and the install process is arguably easier than that of some Linux distros (I would say of most distros, but that's just my opinion). Install it in a VM and give it a go if you don't want to worry about partitioning, dual-booting and drivers. It may feel a bit "dry" and "minimalist" after a basic install, but you can always expand from that. For some people that's actually a bonus.
Dropping gems as always. With all due to respect to him, he should have done more research about OpenBSD. Comparing OBSD with Linux Mint is like comparing Apple and Banana. A better point of comparison is Arch or Gentoo or Slackware. Not finding a desktop keyword on the first page is just a silly argument.
I mean, if open bsd wanted to be a desktop, it would serve itself to advertise itself as much. It seems better suited for embedded systems and servers. Which is totally fine. People have different use cases. Pretty colours and marketing draw people. It’s hard to imagine a curious teenager looking to choose an alternative OS and seeing all the websites for desktop distros and saying to themselves “open bsd looks like something I could use”.
OpenBSD is, in my humble opinion, the best platform to learn unix on. The simplicity of the system, the documentation, and the default to tiling wm instead of desktops, and the CLEAN CLI, all make OpenBSD a good choice for a learning platform. Add that you work with more low level elegant features and a more compact toolkit and it really is a solid choice.
@@Don_XII I should write down a Novice's Guide to Unix for Smart People. Almost no content I've encountered gets the concept, the philosophy of using Unix. Not the Unix philosophy. But the right viewpoint on using the system optimally.
I have a multiboot with fedora and Openbsd on my framework laptop but I hardly boot openbsd anymore because I need to run Windows VMs for my studies. I really love the operating system but I don't have the opportunity to use it anymore..
Update : I installed hardenedbsd on a third partition and I love it. I can now use Virtualbox, Signal-desktop and run a secure OS at the same time! #RUNBSD
I also found lack of good virtualization as big NO. Really like idea to learn, but on the longrun its waste of time. Openbsd as guest, nice. Im human, i like games.
It’s funny he says FreeBSD is a desktop OS but OpenBSD isn’t. It’s almost as if he never tried. I switched from FreeBSD to OpenBSD a couple months ago bc OpenBSD supported my Radeon 6700XT but FreeBSD didn’t. My WiFi is also 6x faster on OpenBSD on my thinkpad (iwm). I loved FreeBSD as a desktop too, but OpenBSD definitely has a better desktop experience. Especially since it also has X out of the box
Doesnt matter. It works! In music there are similiar events, you can say that "nirvana - come as you are" is copy of "killing joke - eighties" ;) I think chasing this is waste of time, its better to deal with that... it doesnt matter who started (if someone document internet history, fashion etc maybe it matters)
Holy smokes you're still making videos!!! I haven't had time for RUclips in months. I cancelled my Patreon when you said you weren't going to make anymore videos 😢
No, I definately took a break because life got busy. But more content is coming. I just need to get a better schedule and not just lose my days off to video production.
hey rootbsd, always good to see a new video from you. one question: where do you get this idea that openbsd is developed by a group of friends? cause i've never been invited over to theo's house for dinner or anything like that :(
OpenBSD is works well for servers, but isn’t as accessible for desktop. I like that OpenBSD is an OS made advanced turbo nerds, like me. But it’s just a fact that using OpenBSD as a desktop isn’t what most people and companies use it for.
In the same sense that Arch, Gentoo and NixOS aren't "accessible" to the average user. Heck, you can say the same about Linux in general. The main barrier is the shock of dealing with something different and unfamiliar, and also to perhaps read a lot of documentation to get used to something new. But speaking from personal experience, any Linux user with some CLI experience should be equipped with what it takes to install and run OpenBSD as a desktop OS if they don't run into hardware/driver issues (like I had to deal on Linux in the kernel 2.0.x days). And at this day and age you don't even have to commit yourself to running it full time or have to deal with dual booting, you can easily install it in a VM and switch back and forth between your main OS and whatever you're testing, save snapshots, try stupid stuff, break things, revert the VM and so on, it's like playing video games on an emulator with savestates, the damage of your mistakes don't have to be terrible anymore. Sure, BSDs are a little different than GNU/Linux, but it's not a huge difference. It's way, way easier to try OpenBSD than something like Plan 9 / 9front, which isn't ridiculously difficult either, it just needs more patience to read the docs, learn a few new things before you get enough hang of it to feel good about exploring it... and need to not be turned off easily by 9front's developers' and contributors' sense of humor (which I find hilarious, but some people may disagree). Now, if you want some real challenge, try to learn how to use Multics or MVS/380, heck, even plain old Unix v7 will require you to rethink what you know about modern Unix-like OSes. 😂
So i has a windows user one year ago, i like the BSD idea, but im starting to get confortable with pop (linux), for a good 3 - 4 years i will stick with linux, them i will try bsd. In the first month as a linux user has a nightmare, i couldnt do anything effectivilly, i need to study more programming / computer stuff to be ready to use a unix os, just imagining use a terminal for every single thing all the time made my body shivering.
@@tostadorafuriosa69 yeah after one year with Linux i can say thar too, but i come back to windows bc i couldnt make .net work and i was needing to use some .net projects
I've used it exclusively on my laptop and server for years purely for research/learning/systems programming and sys/net administration. It's spartan nature is conducive to that. And it does everything else I need when I'm just farting around on the internet and whatnot. My desktop has wangblows, but purely for gaming and video editing, which is it's lane. Outside of gaming, premier/photoshop, and ableton there is nothing that openbsd doesn't or can't do for me or I'd imagine any other above average user. I have like maybe 10 things installed. dwm, st, firefox, tinycc, zsh, git, nvim, yeah basically covers it.
when you say you don't like VMs, do you mean Volume Managers or Virtual Machines, since you mentioned you are running BSD bare metal I dont understand the meaning. thank you
On Mental Outlaw I say that he's just a casual channel rather than a serious tech one. IMO he's still nice and got a decent background on basic GNU/Linux stuff, but maybe lacks on *BSD, real cybersecurity, programming, and more things that require an amount of technical skills and previous knowledge.
I have personally used OBSD as a daily driver (Laptop) for over a decade. Never had a problem with it. I remember my XPS 15 would idle at less than 0.5% CPU with XFCE installed. OBSD lets you unlock more power from your system, windows would idle at close to 20%, even linux would idle at 1% or 2%. OBSD beat them all. Hands down.
Good content in general however, stating the MO is wrong when in fact, it is his opinion (as he admitted) is wrong. I think your rebuttal would hold water if you said something like, while I respect MO opinion, I disagree. To me, as a potential OBSD user, I would hold your opinion to a degree higher. But to blatantly state his opinion is wrong is the wrong thing to do. Remember, it’s his opinion.
Root BSD: OpenBSD is for more advanced users, OpenBSD doesn't want to advertize itself to new users Also Root BSD: Using OpenBSD is not hard, not including a desktop environment is not an obstacle ...wut? When OpenBSD starts supporting Nvidia drivers, I'll start using it on my desktop. But I'm not holding my breath.
@@kpcraftster6580 I don't. It is meant the desktop and server, both. Maybe actually listen to my commentary in the video. I don't know where got the impression that OpenBSD doesn't want to advertise itself to users. I've never heard any dev ever say that at all. In fact they all endorsed Michael Lucas's book Absolute OpenBSD, which definitely attracted a lot of new users. Also you have it backwards. Nvidia is propriety hardware, Nvidia would have to open source their code for OpenBSD to use, and they chose not to, simple as. I know they released some beta code for the Linux kernel, but that hasn't made it's way over yet. I feel you have a wrong impression of how software is made and how computers are used by various people, which gives you a piss-poor and misinformed outlook on the subject in general.
Unfortunately I did waste three quarters of an hour listening to your ill-informed drivel and dishonest tribalism. You on the other hand were clearly not listening to what Kenny was saying, nor to yourself since you kept contradicting yourself. At 9:15 you yourself say, and I quote, "Or, Mental Outlaw, or maybe they just don't care about making it new-user-friendly." Which is already such a disingenuous argument, because the most expert power-user still does not want to go through the completely pointless chore of installing a DE everytime they install OpenBSD. No, you have it backwards, because again you are not listening to anyone else or even yourself. I am not saying OpenBSD should include proprietary drivers, that would be insane. It is 100% on Nvidia to release the source code for their drivers, absolutely. What I'm saying is until OpenBSD gets Nvidia drivers (functional ones, not like the Nouveau ones), I'm not going to use it as my desktop daily-driver (which I genuinely want to). Because it is equally insane for an operating system to limit users' choice of hardware. What gives a piss-poor and misinformed outlook is someone as knowledgeable as you (and yes I know from your videos that you are), being so full of themselves that they cannot listen to others or even yourself. You could be a serious BSD channel if only you didn't keep letting your enflated millenial ego get in your way.
@@baguettedad I see your point, but the philosophy of the Mental Outlaw user is different, actually I started to watch that specific video, but moved immediately because is way different. Two things made me move away. 1. I may be wrong, but I kind of remember, that pic of the server, those computers were donations, not to show it is for a server specifically. 2. All those years ago, when there wasn't Wikipedia, the hacker manifesto was the document to read, for a hacker definition. And the hacker FAQ and the cathedral and the bazaar were something to read. With that being said, in my mind, we are talking two different things. I really liked when root went over the OpenBSD FAQ, reading everything and explaining, not saying that he doesn't like them. That's why my suggestion is to keep looking into, for example, install and configure i3, or maybe ways to code data structures, you know practical videos.
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Was nice to see you get a shoutout, have been subbed for a while. I ran OpenBSD for nearly a year full time and I have nothing bad to say about the experience.
Cool channel. Glad MentalOutlaw sent me here. Good stuff
Thanks!
From the book Absolute OpenBSD:
"OpenBSD is best known as a server operating system, but it can be a very effective and powerful desktop system."
Theo de Raadt called the book "The definitive book on OpenBSD".
I subbed to your channel due to mental outlaw. I love that you both use the same type of memes for thumbnails :)
It is so good to hear your voice again Root BSD! I'm sorry life has gotten in the way for you, it has me too. Times have been hard, but I'm glad to see you put out a new video. Hope everything in life works out for you my friend. Keep on recommending OpenBSD man!
BTW: I get even better, crispy, louder sound across board on OpenBSD vs freeBSD...Does anyone know why is this?
sndio is good software!
Mental Outlaw sent me here, and I gotta say you've piqued my interest in OpenBSD!
Your channel is great. I don't use openBSD, freeBSD or other similar systems because I think it requires an advanced knowledge but I might try it someday after some study. Meanwhile I like watching videos about different types of OS.
Hey, I've used it as a teen, it's not particularly hard, the documentation is great and the install process is arguably easier than that of some Linux distros (I would say of most distros, but that's just my opinion). Install it in a VM and give it a go if you don't want to worry about partitioning, dual-booting and drivers. It may feel a bit "dry" and "minimalist" after a basic install, but you can always expand from that. For some people that's actually a bonus.
Dropping gems as always. With all due to respect to him, he should have done more research about OpenBSD. Comparing OBSD with Linux Mint is like comparing Apple and Banana. A better point of comparison is Arch or Gentoo or Slackware. Not finding a desktop keyword on the first page is just a silly argument.
I mean, if open bsd wanted to be a desktop, it would serve itself to advertise itself as much. It seems better suited for embedded systems and servers. Which is totally fine. People have different use cases.
Pretty colours and marketing draw people. It’s hard to imagine a curious teenager looking to choose an alternative OS and seeing all the websites for desktop distros and saying to themselves “open bsd looks like something I could use”.
@@VoyivodaFTW1 - same statement is applicable to Arch, Gentoo and Slackware. But I've never heard someone say Arch is not for desktop users
Great video.
Also 19:00, people like that are the worst part of Free Software Community. Arguing with them will get you no where.
I already know who they where talking about too
I subscribed. Great info. May be time for me to play with Openbsd. I’m currently using Slackware Linux. Anyway, great content.
OpenBSD is, in my humble opinion, the best platform to learn unix on. The simplicity of the system, the documentation, and the default to tiling wm instead of desktops, and the CLEAN CLI, all make OpenBSD a good choice for a learning platform.
Add that you work with more low level elegant features and a more compact toolkit and it really is a solid choice.
I need to try it at some point. Everything you mentioned sounds very appealing.
@@Don_XII I should write down a Novice's Guide to Unix for Smart People.
Almost no content I've encountered gets the concept, the philosophy of using Unix. Not the Unix philosophy. But the right viewpoint on using the system optimally.
@@geostokes8573 Would be interested to read if you do :)
I have a multiboot with fedora and Openbsd on my framework laptop but I hardly boot openbsd anymore because I need to run Windows VMs for my studies.
I really love the operating system but I don't have the opportunity to use it anymore..
Update :
I installed hardenedbsd on a third partition and I love it. I can now use Virtualbox, Signal-desktop and run a secure OS at the same time!
#RUNBSD
I also found lack of good virtualization as big NO. Really like idea to learn, but on the longrun its waste of time.
Openbsd as guest, nice.
Im human, i like games.
It’s funny he says FreeBSD is a desktop OS but OpenBSD isn’t. It’s almost as if he never tried. I switched from FreeBSD to OpenBSD a couple months ago bc OpenBSD supported my Radeon 6700XT but FreeBSD didn’t. My WiFi is also 6x faster on OpenBSD on my thinkpad (iwm). I loved FreeBSD as a desktop too, but OpenBSD definitely has a better desktop experience. Especially since it also has X out of the box
that was a cool shout out
"The Mental Outlaw academy of based thumbnails"
But Mental Outlaw copied that from Luke Smith.
Doesnt matter. It works!
In music there are similiar events, you can say that "nirvana - come as you are" is copy of "killing joke - eighties" ;)
I think chasing this is waste of time, its better to deal with that... it doesnt matter who started (if someone document internet history, fashion etc maybe it matters)
Evil Root BSD:
User Linux
I do use Linux, Lubuntu on the PC and Arch on my Pinephone.
@@root_dnb based af
where to get that pink frog from thumbnail?
I just took a selfie.
Good video
Based purple frog
Hackerman!
So does Factorio run on openBSD?
I think OpenBSD would be good for servers and desktops, but is it good for embedded devices ?
Channel with neurofunk intro? Subbed
holy that intro is great
You're great!
Holy smokes you're still making videos!!! I haven't had time for RUclips in months. I cancelled my Patreon when you said you weren't going to make anymore videos 😢
No, I definately took a break because life got busy. But more content is coming. I just need to get a better schedule and not just lose my days off to video production.
@@root_dnb No worries. I'll be sure to keep an eye out.
hey rootbsd, always good to see a new video from you. one question: where do you get this idea that openbsd is developed by a group of friends? cause i've never been invited over to theo's house for dinner or anything like that :(
Lol, Theo de Raadt said that in his most recent interview, ruclips.net/video/WwCZuN4qQPI/видео.html
a group of friends chilling in a baot
What did you use for browsing web without mouse? that looks cool
qutebrowser
OpenBSD is works well for servers, but isn’t as accessible for desktop. I like that OpenBSD is an OS made advanced turbo nerds, like me. But it’s just a fact that using OpenBSD as a desktop isn’t what most people and companies use it for.
In the same sense that Arch, Gentoo and NixOS aren't "accessible" to the average user. Heck, you can say the same about Linux in general. The main barrier is the shock of dealing with something different and unfamiliar, and also to perhaps read a lot of documentation to get used to something new.
But speaking from personal experience, any Linux user with some CLI experience should be equipped with what it takes to install and run OpenBSD as a desktop OS if they don't run into hardware/driver issues (like I had to deal on Linux in the kernel 2.0.x days). And at this day and age you don't even have to commit yourself to running it full time or have to deal with dual booting, you can easily install it in a VM and switch back and forth between your main OS and whatever you're testing, save snapshots, try stupid stuff, break things, revert the VM and so on, it's like playing video games on an emulator with savestates, the damage of your mistakes don't have to be terrible anymore.
Sure, BSDs are a little different than GNU/Linux, but it's not a huge difference. It's way, way easier to try OpenBSD than something like Plan 9 / 9front, which isn't ridiculously difficult either, it just needs more patience to read the docs, learn a few new things before you get enough hang of it to feel good about exploring it... and need to not be turned off easily by 9front's developers' and contributors' sense of humor (which I find hilarious, but some people may disagree). Now, if you want some real challenge, try to learn how to use Multics or MVS/380, heck, even plain old Unix v7 will require you to rethink what you know about modern Unix-like OSes. 😂
We are legion BSD man
According to the BSD wiki, my laptop's WiFi hardware is not supported, which really sucks.
So i has a windows user one year ago, i like the BSD idea, but im starting to get confortable with pop (linux), for a good 3 - 4 years i will stick with linux, them i will try bsd.
In the first month as a linux user has a nightmare, i couldnt do anything effectivilly, i need to study more programming / computer stuff to be ready to use a unix os, just imagining use a terminal for every single thing all the time made my body shivering.
Lol, I love the terminal, it's very empowering once you get used to it.
@@root_dnb i feel the same, but i have a fish memory, i always forget the right command line, until then i stick with a blob gui
The terminal is actually pretty comfy
@@tostadorafuriosa69 yeah after one year with Linux i can say thar too, but i come back to windows bc i couldnt make .net work and i was needing to use some .net projects
I have been running OpenBSD & freeBSD since 6.9/12 on my laptop with XFCE desktop....NO COMPLAINTS at all!
This is all just reaffirming I need to be putting BSDs on my laptop and VPSs.
I've used it exclusively on my laptop and server for years purely for research/learning/systems programming and sys/net administration. It's spartan nature is conducive to that. And it does everything else I need when I'm just farting around on the internet and whatnot. My desktop has wangblows, but purely for gaming and video editing, which is it's lane.
Outside of gaming, premier/photoshop, and ableton there is nothing that openbsd doesn't or can't do for me or I'd imagine any other above average user. I have like maybe 10 things installed. dwm, st, firefox, tinycc, zsh, git, nvim, yeah basically covers it.
Somebody once said to me: “What do you need a desktop environment to do? Exactly, open a terminal. And that's it.” Wise words.
Rare moment of Based people recognizing each other
when you say you don't like VMs, do you mean Volume Managers or Virtual Machines, since you mentioned you are running BSD bare metal I dont understand the meaning. thank you
He is referring to Virtual Machines, I'm sure he could elaborate on the reasons better than I could.
@@toxiccan175 thanks.
On Mental Outlaw I say that he's just a casual channel rather than a serious tech one. IMO he's still nice and got a decent background on basic GNU/Linux stuff, but maybe lacks on *BSD, real cybersecurity, programming, and more things that require an amount of technical skills and previous knowledge.
I have personally used OBSD as a daily driver (Laptop) for over a decade. Never had a problem with it. I remember my XPS 15 would idle at less than 0.5% CPU with XFCE installed.
OBSD lets you unlock more power from your system, windows would idle at close to 20%, even linux would idle at 1% or 2%.
OBSD beat them all. Hands down.
kernel doooot org also says nothing about desktop
RUclips stop removing my comment pls
Good content in general however, stating the MO is wrong when in fact, it is his opinion (as he admitted) is wrong. I think your rebuttal would hold water if you said something like, while I respect MO opinion, I disagree. To me, as a potential OBSD user, I would hold your opinion to a degree higher. But to blatantly state his opinion is wrong is the wrong thing to do. Remember, it’s his opinion.
i thought that part was pretty hilarious tbh
mental outlaw parrot 🙂
🥄🥄🥄🥄🥄🥄🥄🥄 Clankers unite
Root BSD: OpenBSD is for more advanced users, OpenBSD doesn't want to advertize itself to new users
Also Root BSD: Using OpenBSD is not hard, not including a desktop environment is not an obstacle
...wut?
When OpenBSD starts supporting Nvidia drivers, I'll start using it on my desktop. But I'm not holding my breath.
Use Linux, nobodies forcing anything on you.
Then don't pretend OpenBSD is meant for desktop 🤣
@@kpcraftster6580 I don't. It is meant the desktop and server, both. Maybe actually listen to my commentary in the video.
I don't know where got the impression that OpenBSD doesn't want to advertise itself to users. I've never heard any dev ever say that at all. In fact they all endorsed Michael Lucas's book Absolute OpenBSD, which definitely attracted a lot of new users.
Also you have it backwards. Nvidia is propriety hardware, Nvidia would have to open source their code for OpenBSD to use, and they chose not to, simple as. I know they released some beta code for the Linux kernel, but that hasn't made it's way over yet.
I feel you have a wrong impression of how software is made and how computers are used by various people, which gives you a piss-poor and misinformed outlook on the subject in general.
Unfortunately I did waste three quarters of an hour listening to your ill-informed drivel and dishonest tribalism. You on the other hand were clearly not listening to what Kenny was saying, nor to yourself since you kept contradicting yourself.
At 9:15 you yourself say, and I quote, "Or, Mental Outlaw, or maybe they just don't care about making it new-user-friendly." Which is already such a disingenuous argument, because the most expert power-user still does not want to go through the completely pointless chore of installing a DE everytime they install OpenBSD.
No, you have it backwards, because again you are not listening to anyone else or even yourself. I am not saying OpenBSD should include proprietary drivers, that would be insane. It is 100% on Nvidia to release the source code for their drivers, absolutely. What I'm saying is until OpenBSD gets Nvidia drivers (functional ones, not like the Nouveau ones), I'm not going to use it as my desktop daily-driver (which I genuinely want to). Because it is equally insane for an operating system to limit users' choice of hardware.
What gives a piss-poor and misinformed outlook is someone as knowledgeable as you (and yes I know from your videos that you are), being so full of themselves that they cannot listen to others or even yourself. You could be a serious BSD channel if only you didn't keep letting your enflated millenial ego get in your way.
I removed my harsh comment about mental outlaw..I watched the full video he shout out you that's nice.
Hello. I'm glad you are back making videos. Just don't react to videos from other people
Why though? It makes up great content and it really helps others see other pov's
@@baguettedad I see your point, but the philosophy of the Mental Outlaw user is different, actually I started to watch that specific video, but moved immediately because is way different. Two things made me move away.
1. I may be wrong, but I kind of remember, that pic of the server, those computers were donations, not to show it is for a server specifically.
2. All those years ago, when there wasn't Wikipedia, the hacker manifesto was the document to read, for a hacker definition. And the hacker FAQ and the cathedral and the bazaar were something to read.
With that being said, in my mind, we are talking two different things.
I really liked when root went over the OpenBSD FAQ, reading everything and explaining, not saying that he doesn't like them. That's why my suggestion is to keep looking into, for example, install and configure i3, or maybe ways to code data structures, you know practical videos.
@@rmadiedo007 it is nice to see practocal videos too, but in this case a reaction video was inevitable , but a good thing
2nd
0/10, was expecting a diss track
No diss track coming, yet. When it does drop I'm going after Luke Smith, MO and DT in one track...