AN ENGINEERING MASTER STROKE? How McLaren Became the Red Bull Challengers
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Red Bull has gone 'backwards', other teams have caught up, but McLaren made the biggest gains- Deploying a ten piece upgrade at Miami that brought Lando his first ever win, his second win this weekend at Zandvoort that destroyed Max, and has been well within a shot of winning several races since, if not for a strategy blunder at Silverstone and Lando being too aggressive at Austria.
But there's no denying that out of all the teams that have improved, McLaren made a massive jump, doing so at that Miami Grand Prix. So where were they before and where are they now? And what the hell did they do to the car?! Let's find out, shall we?
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I think McLaren gets the constructors. It's also crazy to think that the last time a team not named Red Bull or Mercedes won a title was Brawn in 2009.
Will be McLaren’s first constructors title this century 💀
Last time Mclaren won a constructors hamilton was driving for them. Damn
Norris and Piastri didn't even exist when McLaren got their last WCC.
Brawn became Mercedes so technically we have to go back to Ferrari in 08
@@ergoproxy-gx2cq mclaren never won a constructors with hamilton, their last cons. was in 98
McLarens position is the result of bring brutally honest with themselves a few years back after the end of the 2nd Honda engine supply. Thats when McLaren noticed that things needed fixing. It took time, Seidl came and went, but soon all the pieces of the orchestra fell into place, got in tune and time with each other and this is the result. As a McLaren fan its been a hard watch seeing McLaren go from top to bottom to top again.
I agree as a fellow Mclaren fan it's been hard to see them be so good for a period of time. Then end up being painfully bad, then rebuild to who they are now championship contenders in the constructors at least!
Well said
@@zeberto1986 thought he was spot on to!
im a williams fan from the 80s and its so awesome to see McLaren on top again, id love to see Williams do the same but im not hopeful.
The zero -hero-zero-hero pattern is the most McLaren thing ever :P
If Lando is to achieve the championship,then Piastri will need to be right behind him to relegate Max to third place points .
It is a staggering transformation over the last 10 races.
But they were transformed several races ago. Too slow to react by McLaren. They all seem too happy to be capable of winning, and fumbling their strategy. So they're just be happy with the constructors.
It's been a staggering transformation since mid 2023, at the start of last season McLaren were at best the 8th or 9th best team and come mid season when upgrades were put on the car they were suddenly the 2nd or 3rd best car, then they have kept that momentum since.
I remember Mika Hakkinen saying McLaren would be the ones to challenge Red Bull. He said this is 2022 I believe.
I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely impossible Lando can catch Max either. Especially if Piastri can start taking points off him. Easier to chase then be chased all the pressure will be on RBR.
100% if piastri can get some 2nds it's doable.
I made a quick math, excluding sprint races and assuming Lando wins with fastest lap every race and Max always second, Lando wins by 2 points
@@almeidaariel9 yeah but the chances of this scenario are like 0.01%... Lando will definitely lower the gap, but imo Max's lead in the standings is simply too much to overcome in these final 9 races of the season... McLaren should be able to win the constructors since Perez has completely fallen off, I just hope they dont bottle it cause they would definitely deserve at least one title for the great work they have done since the start of the season 👍
McLaren are just happy with the constructors, which is ridiculous. They need to get rid of this all happy to be there mentality
Only way it happens if max has two dnfs and lando scores podiums for the rest of the season.. tall ask. Very unlikely but one dnf from max amd lando wins that race.. oooooo be exciting.
McLaren seem to have a strategy around their upgrades where they changed not just one part but all the other parts that are affected by that change as well. With the aerodynamics of an f1 car being so dependent on all of the parts of the car working in unison this could be why there updates are so effective in adding performance.
McLaren just need to re-learn how to manage strategies when they have both drivers in front and they should be fine
They should have never had Lando and Oscar swap in Hungary, that could cost Lando the championship
Much as I like the new management in general, they have nothing on Ron Dennis when it comes to making unpopular decisions. E.g. 1997, DC was ordered to let Hakkinen to pass so he could get his first win. The order came via his engineer, but it was a Dennis one. Basically DC was threatened with the sack if he didn't do it. Up till then, only DC had won any races for the team (in their partnership, natch) but Mika was Ron's - literal - blue-eyed boy and everyone knew that once he broke the no-win curse, it would unleash his ability. That happens so often! He went on to win the next two championships.
Was that decision morally correct? Probably not. Was it _practically_ correct? We can't say that Mika _wouldn't_ have won the next two years, but IMHO it would have been highly unlikely, so the answer is yes.
Does Stella have the stones to make that decision mid-race now? I honestly don't know.
(This isn't a Ron fangirl moment, btw. I respect a lot of what he did and how he did it - especially with Max Moseley being a complete bastard - but there was a lot about him that I don't like. I just give credit where it's due and will call out anyone who deserves that. I'm not even sure whether the DC decision ranked as good or bad because it made a champion - probably - but wrecked another career.)
@@PaperBanjo64 they shouldn't have undercut oscar by 2 laps. Lando was never under threat from Lewis...
The problem mclaren face is, this is the first time in years and years they've had the fastest car. They havnt been under pressure until now, so have forgot what it's like to be in control of almost all that they can be. Max and red bull have been fighting ferrari and Mercedes for wins since basically he arrived there. So he's learned to maximise what he has. On a given weekend, he's picked up the maximum available. Mclaren and norris haven't consistently done that yet.
McLaren were powered by Mercedes in 1998 too.
The giving up Merc engines in 2015 was a mistake anyway.
@@marguskiis7711 It probably wouldn't have been had they given Honda enough time. Everyone seemed to forget that in the '80s it took from 1983 to the middle of 1985 to get their engine anywhere near reliable or responsive enough to make a decent race engine. through 1986 to 1988 it was the engine to have even though Lotus managed to mess up in spite of having the best engine.
When McLaren grabbed the engine from Williams (who had gone through the tribulations of developing the thing) it was more or les the complete package which is why they were so dominant.
For 2015 to 2017 McLaren = 1980's Williams. 2019 onwards Red Bull = 1980's McLaren.
Your videos are the best concise distillation of what's going in F1's 'arms race' out there!
that upgraded MCL38 is one sexy beast
I've got an awful feeling McLaren will regret issuing team orders in Hungary. Morally, it was the right thing to do. However, given that Max can now afford to finish 2nd in every race and still win the championship, it may come back to bite McLaren in the arse.
Their stategy is a weakness a la Ferrari (not quite as comical but). Oscar should never have ended up behind at all and the team decided it was best to not let Oscar think he was getting schafted
It could have the reverse effect of making Piastri understand that the team is only supporting Norris from here on because he has the best chance of challenging. If Piastri felt he was being made a genuine No.2 then he may be less helpful.
no one was expecting either of their drivers to be in potential championship winning positions, let alone the team in the constructors.
this is an absolutely ridonculus turn of events and even better that theres an aussie involved and its sucked me right back into a sport id almost given the flick. Theyre not getting the drivers championship, Norris could potentially win by 2 as per a higher up comment, piastri hooooooooly moly howd he even get up to 4th? BUT, theyre BOTH doing very similar lap times and easily competing with each other, which means max CONSTRUCTORS points (which RBR is shitting the bed with by leaving Perez in the seat) which means these guys are now probably the only threat to RBR getting both titles.
There were already a few races before then where they could have used Oscar to back up the pack to benefit Lando - but the drivers championship probably still seemed like a pipe dream.
There also may be something in Oscar’s contract stipulating that he is not to be relegated to second driver status, and limiting these situations in which he can be sacrificed for the sake of his teammate.
Even without that, you have to be careful what you do when you have two top drivers in the team and you want to keep both of them. You have to let them race unless it’s obviously not in the best interest of the team, and/or one driver is obviously in a title race and the other driver is not. Even now it’s only a theoretical possibility that Lando could end up overtaking Max by the end of the season, just a few races ago, it would’ve been a laughable suggestion.
What a turnaround from the beginning of last year to now.
I don’t remember any team moving from also ran to podium finishes!
Lando will need to be one with the car for the rest of the season to even be able to mount a challenge against max
Unless max gets a dnf or two
This season reminds me of 1991 so much. A once dominant team with an all time great driver struggling to keep ahead of a British team and driver on the crest of a rapid development curve!
Any competition to Red Bull is a good thing, but I can’t handle a guy called Lando winning anything.
Learn to cope.
@@apparentlyretrograde na i am good hey!
@@apparentlyretrograde no, hes right. if someone introduces their kid to me as 'Daenerys' or some crap, their mum is getting a slap. First time i met a mate of mine and she introduced herself as... well... it was a star trek character. i knew.... KNEW what her dad was thinking. No.
Lando should be at least 7 points closer to max in the championship. If Mclaren had realised sooner they might actually be in with a shot of the Drivers Championship and used Oscar better to slow diwn Max like at Imola they would be even closer.
The zero -hero-zero-hero pattern is the most McLaren thing ever :P
Well, the McLaren come back actually started last year
it's a terrific transformation from McLaren. I love to see them continue it for the rest of this year and into next, and pretty please can we have a Ferrari McLaren title battle next year?
It's great to see McLaren up there after all these years. It's been too long. Big fan of McLaren, being from Surrey myself as well (local team)
Speaking of turnarounds. Hows about TIngrams Race 3 at Donny. P2 from last place.
@@eddeduck he was absolutely on one.
Managed to do it without biffing anyone off the road either. Sutton should take note.
We need to talk about that mini race afterwards as well...
Is the England shirt you're wearing a tribute to Sven?
It’s coincidental. His death wasn’t announced until I was halfway through writing, when I already had it on.
But we can make it that if everyone prefers. Got no issue with it.
RIP Sven
Shout out to his family.
Lando & Oscar are underrated they are better this season than most give them credit for. Mclaren has a boss who is a racer at heart and a team that is constantly improving in every area. They pretty much were the 2nd slowest car at the start of the new regs and to now be the fastest car beating the all conquering Verstappen and Newey RB with a budget cap in the timeline they did is incredible. 2009 was impressive but Mclaren had a huge budget now with the cap it forced them to be innovative and make the most of what they have. Being a Mclaren fan since Kimi was there this Mclaren is so much more fun and exciting compared to the old operating theatre perfection during the Ron Dennis 2000s era
That McLaren is definitely the best looking F1 car in many, many years.
Last year's Aston was my favourite car of this recent regulations era
Don't agree. Too busy in a few areas
Interesting to see how close qualifying was compared to the finishing gaps in the early races. This did not just seem to be how kind/aggressive the cars & drivers were to their tyres, but Red Bull seems to be at its strongest with a heavy fuel load which allowed Verstappen to pass & pull away (& also explains why they did not usually get fastest lap). Later in the race when this advantage was lost, the lead was too great for others to catch & pass.
This helps to explain why Norris pulled away from Verstappen in Miami. Verstappen lost pace quite suddenly after he hit the bollard, scraping the bottom of his car on the kerb in the process. Riding kerbs is not something the 2024 Red Bull does very well compared to some others.
Even if their positions had not been swapped by the later safety car, his lead would have been wiped out.
It could be that McLaren have spent all their development budget early in the season to get a jump
I agree. Cost must become a barrier to further upgrades at some point. Red Bull seem to have failed to move forward but will still have spent some of their budget. The question is how much of their budgets has each team used up so far?
Well they didn't just make all their changes, but they got it right. Mercedes spent a whole ton of money on upgrades in 22 and never managed anything
Still rocking the adventure time mug ❤❤
I can’t understand how you blame Norris for Verstappen taking him out in Austria 🤔
I think we should all take a Moment and appreciate mclaren (and red bull for dropping it)
Thank you guys!
I say McLaren definitely has the best car of 2024 so far. Tho Monza i fear may be a struggle. And i think Mercedes will be in the fold too.
The more I see the Mc, the more it looks like a beautiful evo of last years RB aero! If RB improved last years car, they'd have a McLaren 😮
Final few races 😹 just a mere *nine* to go, practically home stretch.
I think the constructors has snuck up and gone to McLaren already. As Max was busy extending his lead, Perez’s ten race streak of DNF or lower than 6th 🙀while Piastri’s was looking like a future champion, has nobbled Red Bull.
Oddly it’s the WDC that might suddenly be back on after Zandvoort. It’s extreme and most pundits won’t believe it because no-one’s successfully pulled back a lead like Max’s, since James Hunt, when Lauda was in hospital care.
The gap’s still a crazy 7.7 pts per race, but Max can’t shut that out with a string of seconds. 3 useless Sprints and 9 gimmicky Fastest Lap points out there, Lando could still pull back a whopping 75 pts.
That’s 8.3 pts per weekend.
Suddenly Grumpy Old Max in July wasn’t complaining about nothing, Red Bull really have dropped this. He’s one race short of “beat Oscar Piastri” for the rest of the season to “beat Lando just once more”.
Now it’s F1 2024, this might flip on its head really fast. But simple stats says far from Monza being a RedBull banker race, it’s due to pay out for McLaren again, so who knows 🤷🏻♀️
@@MsZeeZed season still ends in October for me.
seems like rather than this being about what one team suddenly can do, its just as much about what couple of other teams suddenly *cant* do.
I don't think it's impossible for them to overhaul Red Bull and more importantly, I don't think it is impossible for Lando to overhaul Max. With 9 races left, and only 70 points between them, it only takes one or two bad results or non finishes for Max, and Lando will be right on top of him.
And while I fully agree with the fact that the other teams have caught them up this year, I do think the whole brake ban has to be at least partially responsible, just as the secretive ban on Ferraris trick engine from a few years ago hampered all the Ferrari powered cars.
70 points is nearly double the largest points margin someone has comeback from to win a championship (Verstappen 2022 46 points behind Leclerc) And he started clawing back that margin with 3/4 of the season left over. Converting old points systems Raikkonen has the most impressive comeback being the equivalent of 72 points down at his worst in 2007 but again he started his comeback 1/3 of the way through the season and not only dominated the latter 2/3 compared to his title rivals, but his two main rivals in Hamilton and Alonso were busy taking points off each other and fighting a bitter inter-team rivalry while Massa was Kimi’s rear gunner for the entire second half of the season.
Lando had a bigger points deficit than anyone else has overcome in history, has less time to do it than the biggest upsets in F1 history had, and is in a team without a clear #1, #2 subservient driver dynamic, or at least they seem unwilling or hesitant to do so…. So while It’s not technically impossible for Lando to win, it would take a monumental feat that has literally never been seen before, he would have to win every remaining race and have some luck to boot. On top of all that I just don’t think Lando is that guy right now, though with more displays like yesterday that narrative while definitely change and change quick
@@tylercampbell2362yeah though the seasons are far longer now, and cars are much closer than they ever used to be. In most of F1 history the fastest car at the start would easily be 1 second faster than the 3rd best team. I think it'll be fairly close though yeah still pretty unlikely.
Can you please tell me what the music on your intro is called? I could listen to it all day.
I've been a McLaren fan since the late 90's (I was 6 when Senna passed so dont remember that far back) so after all the years of suffering with "GP2" engines (cue Alonso's voice) and poor cars it's great to see them back amongst the top teams again. I believe the constructors will happen this year but Max will still win the drivers WC.
It looks to me like Mclaren has successfully relearned how to properly build and Develop a car over a season. Now, especially for the final 9 races, they need to continue relearning how to apply proper strategy and making it count.
Oh and by the way, remember 2012 when:
- A big move by Hamilton to a new team is announced for a season right before a big regs shakeup
- A French Driver at Team Enstone being abit of a menace.
- Red Bull beginning to tear apart internally
- There were 7 different winners before the summer break
Yeah, this has certainly been a time.
I think McLaren can win the constructors as long as they continue to out score Red Bull. The driver’s title is possible mathematically for Norris if they get 5 1-2 results with help from his teammate. Mercedes could help by taking points of Red Bull. Of curse you will have reliability issues to later in the season, along with penalties for changes. It’s all still open, but I hope that Norris doesn’t finish 6 points short at the end of the season.
IMO, this is the result of some long-term thinking and just putting their heads down and working on the car and the team, instead of being overly sensitive and reactive, chasing short term gains like certain other teams. Even the one major shift in this current era, Seidl and Key's departure, had them simply build on what they had, bringing Stella and Prodromou up while they waited for Marshall.
Remember that these upgrades have been in the works for months. Its clear the internal chaos at redbull negatively affect their development, even if the team has gotten its act together now they it doesn't reverse the damage.
It's unlikey but a small streak of some bsd fortune and all of a sudden verstappens tirle could be in jeopardy too, and to put pressure on the team he's said as much
I mean Mclaren did get from 9th fastest to 2nd fastest in a year in 2023.. I'm not sure how can it be transferred to 2024 development but it does feel like they found a way of getting a lot more from the car than their competition
But in reality i think it's just their opponents actually doing less than them to catch up. Redbull seems to be heavily compromised by it's power struggle and mess on the top and Ferrari messed up their upgrades. And Mercedes was just so much behind compared, that even tho they improved significantly it's not enough to catch them up quite completely. They seem to be the only team who didn't really have any kinds of problems this season that could interrupt their upgrade plan and that's what might pay off for them
Must be something fishy
honestly, i think at least half of the pace mclaren has found is just them solving the handling problems. lando has looked far more at ease with the car for most of this year compared to last year. look at how many qualifying mistakes he made last year, versus how consistent and solid he's been in quali in 2024.
Mclaren seem to be the team out of them and Red Bull who have two drivers capable of winning.
Perez is a good driver, but has gone AWOL. That will be the difference in the constructors.
I feel there is too big of a gap in the drivers, but a couple of DNF's by Max and it gets very tasty.
What about DNF'S for Lando 🤔 or is he Mr perfect.
MAX IS KING OF THE RING!!!!
By the end of pre-season testing I predicted McLaren to end up 2nd in the Constructors, and here i thought that was going to be an ambitious prediction
any correlation between Newey being on Gardening leave and the RB20 losing it's dominance?
@@gdkey8025 one of the rumours is Wach and the rest of the team were told not to do xyz by Newey otherwise it’d screw the car.
But because they want to break out of Newey’s shadow they did it anyway and that’s fucked it.
@@AidanMillward Probably why they're rolling back some of the previous upgrades to see exactly what fcked it
@@AidanMillward classic...
Just a few seasons ago, mclaren were dead last & the media were talking about Lando leaving if he wanted to a races/champions.
Just a few months ago, everybody was all Doom & gloom preparing for another season of a Red Bull whitewash.
It's nice to see F1 can still surprise people
think of where McLaren were at the start of 2023! They were LAST! now this, insane
To give Lando the best shot of the drivers title, McLaren need to prioritise him while Piastri needs to start taking points off Verstappen. Lando is starting to show he’s the team’s No 1 driver while Piastri needs to improve because finishing 27 seconds behind your team mate in the best car at the Dutch Grand Prix isn’t good enough. I just hope that McLaren screwing Lando over at the Hungarian Grand Prix in favour of his slower team mate doesn’t decide the title.
As for the constructors title, I think McLaren will win that with ease.
hes not getting the drivers title and mclaren are the second oldest of the teams. the whole 'herp derp driver only' is a millenial thing, the driver fights for the drivers championship, the team fights for the constructors. the team gets paid for their performance in the CONSTRUCTORS, while the DRIVER gets paid for the DRIVERS championship. the way theyre going now, they WILL win the constructors. Which means shitloads more money next year, two hot drivers, one contracted until 2026 while Lando is probably due for a new contract. by *not* prioritising one over the other. Norris has now had 5 years to do what Piastri has done in 1. This is damn good news for everyone.
Aidan, What is your opinion regarding the thinking that Newey, a fan of racing himself and was always at the races, combined with his understanding of the car makes him a near perfect person to translate what drivers say for the race engineers? Could this have been key to redbull nailing the setup and now, with him gone, they are struggling to get the setup right? The coincedence of the drop in performance immediately after he stopped going to races/working for the racing program can't really be chalked up to upgrades that quick but setup problems could take immediate effect.
Max ending up second despite the inferior car, does lead some credence to the statements in the news lately that Red Bull Racing had been slow in improving the car, because Max is such a good driver (and he always complains about something about his car) that RBR didn't realize just how bad things were.
I hope they can claw something back so that this season can be a nail biting finish that comes down to driver and strategy like 2021 was.
When it comes to the constructor's championship it doesn't matter what kind of upgrades Red Bull brings, Perez will screw it all up for them.
Yeah the constructors championship is gone for RedBull.
Max’s lead should be enough though. Especially if they can get a win or 2 at suitable tracks.
I am worried for Singapore.
What if it wasn't RBR using that brake thingy but someone else suggesting it? It was only prohibited now but RBR has fallen off a while back.
As of the Italian GP, the point difference between RB and McLaren is 8 points while Lando is now 62 points behind Max... which was 100 odd before Miami
EDIT: McLaren also have more podiums (15 to RB's 14)
Final few races of the season? There's 10 of them before you even include sprints.
Not sure how relevant this is, but the way it is run now, Red Bull can only bring X amount of upgrades to their car for the season, where as can bring more. Looking at what McLaren have brought, it seems like they are modifying the whole car (I exaggerate but you know what I mean). With that in mind and assuming that the Red Bull is already close (or closer) to it's optimum performance, any upgrades can only bring a limited improvement, where as McLaren had an awful long way to go and it seems like they have finally found the key. Result? Everyone (well some teams) are closer than they have been for a long time making the competition more fierce and intriguing. A shame that new cars and regs are on the way as it usually means one team steals a march on the others who then spend 2 years playing catch up! If it ain't broke..........................?
RBRs Chassis might be a problem but if Verstappen and Perez were both finishing close to each other they could at the very least maximise the points for where theyre finishing. RBRs biggest threat to the constructors is Perez. Whats the answer there tho, no point bringing a junior in because theyve gotta learn the car AND do it under race conditions. Test driver knows the car, but doesnt do it under race conditions. So who do we know that already knows the car and is already running under full race conditions?
Swap Ricciardo back in until the end of the year. If he cant get a few points at least, he goes next year, but he isnt completely done, hes still going to at least be a half decent backup driver where Perez at the moment just flat out isnt. Thats not just me fanboying out, it just makes the most sense from a team POV.
Now i can promise you im not fanboying out, because unless RBR do something now, and Ferrari pull out their finger, this is looking very much like its going to be McLarens year, and a good part of that is down to consistency even when they werent fighting for wins. I want to see McLaren get it this year. Either way, i still win with both of those scenarios.
I'm only 4mins in but what wind tunnel is McL using these days? I feel like they were using the old Toyota one but have they brought a new one online yet?
@@kevin-l7r7p they built their own
Mercedes must be studying that mclaren hard seeing as its a merc powered car.
And who knows what Ferrari might do in all this. They have been so up and down all season and after looking nowhere in qualy in Zand they had strong race pace maybe some upgrades in right direction could push them back forward. But who knows with Ferrari anymore they not a design change for '25 apparently around push/pull rod debate but no team can risk too big for' 25 with rule change coming
McLaren are really showing up the likes of Ferrari who have made no progress over the past 6-8 races, but I do wonder how they are able to bring so many within the cost cap compared to almost all other teams. But considering how it looked early on like it would be another walk in the park for Red Bull, it is great to have a genuine title fight going on to the latter part of the season.
I think in all honesty, with 9 races still remains, McLaren surely will be able to win the makes' championship
How much of performance superiority of max up to the asymmetrical braking system...
McLaren dominance could bore fans! 🗣🔥
Unlike Mercedes dominance and Red Bull dominance? A single team dominating for a lengthy period is always a little boring, but the margins between teams have now become sufficiently small that I doubt it'll ever happen again to the same extent.
0:32 Literally.
McLaren will get the Constructors, but Max isnt going go down easy. Hard to say if Lando can maximise his finishes but I think Max will have to falter.
14:23 - Honda left F1 and money can't buy a winning car.
did McLaren fix their car or did red bull get fringe brakes removed
The problem with McLaren is they're too safe. Too happy to win the constructors, when they should be going for both. The same is portrayed by Norris. They all need a win at all costs mentality.
Or, Rob Marshalls' (formally a RB employee) upgrades are finally reaching the cars. Just saying.
Even if Red Bull gets back to even footing with McLaren or, perhaps, even slightly ahead, I still think McLaren have a very good shot at winning the constructors'. Simply because Perez doesn't inspire me with confidence. Perez does have 2-3 tracks coming up where he's done well in recent years, but I don't think it would be enough. He's too slow compared to Verstappen and, of course, McLaren.
As for the drivers' championship... it's not impossible for Norris to still win it, but it would take a miracle. I don't see it happening. It would require either a pretty much perfect record for Norris which I don't think either he or the team can produce right now, or some serious blunders from Verstappen/Red Bull.
He might've had a better shot at it, but there where plenty of points thrown away. It would be something if he ends up losing it by less than those 7 points. Thinking of the whole Hungarian GP kerfuffle. That would be one for the ages as much as him actually winning it.
Has newey already left or is it end of the season. If hes gone an this happend. He must have been backpacking that team for years.
@@garyeast7259 he’s working on the road car until the end of the year and that’ll be his gardening leave. So he can join a new team for the start of next season without having too much input in the 2025 car.
@AidanMillward yeah i saw that actually. Looks mental
How about a video on why you think Norris is such a terrible starter.
RB just lost its magic trick.
RBR was front limited in Zandvoort. The car did not behave like it did at the beginning of the season. I was on the fence about the fiddle brake 2.0 but seeing the amount of understeer that Max had... and it happening at the stage of the corner where that brake would've initiated turning... They still finished 2nd so the car isn't complete rubbish but.. has limited performance.
I think it’s like the Merc in 2017. Still a top car but the fact Ferrari caught up showed that it had flaws that you wouldn’t have noticed before.
Because at Austria and Singapore which were the bogey tracks, they were shown to be really struggling after 2017.
I saw the new car and thought, why? This car is actually slower at Zandvort than the RB19. The 20 blows up the myth of Newey as genius a bit. Like he just wanted to try some weird shit and had at it. It’s not been a great car from the off.
It is extremely weird that of all teams, McLaren have caught and passed RB from so far back. Clearly there’s some trick they’ve found. Legal?
Not sure about Newey fluffing it himself. At what point did he get benched, or is he still really active for his employer?
@@AidanMillward That can be true too, RBR might be operating out of the window where it does keep its tires working. But, it is just curious that the exact thing that fiddle brake touches is the one area that RBR has problems: keeping those front tires in the right window when the rear does some of the turning... Of course, none of us know but since i don't get to enjoy having that many conspiracy theories, i think i'll keep this one just for fun.
What about poor ferrari... Maybe they can be a threat....
Why is Bahrain used as a benchmark when Ferrari and Mercedes had problems
The CFD/wind tunnel restrictions have worked. If McLaren win the constructors they’ll soon experience restricted development like RB has for 4 yrs. Heavy is the head….
Not necessarily 4 years, remember the big regulation reset will take place in 2026 and that could cause the constructors pecking order to be shuffled.
Does no one think NOR was handed Miami he was stuck behind checco till the safety car accidentally on purpose missed him & he got a free pit stop letting him TRUMP the field or yeah he jst happened to be in McLaren’s garage as well 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ far to many coincidences for my liking
So Adrian Newey is not so good after all. Biased braking not aero eh?
Being as the uk will be banning petrol cars soon McLaren and Mercedes should either move or sell all their assets. Sarcasm, sort of.
A Black Country Flag! Nice! Up the Wolves
There's something clearly wrong in the direction that Red Bull has gone with the Mercedes aero to the point that the car is not sticking to the tracks now that we're into the downforce tracks. Couple that with a champion who's clearly not interested and we have a race to the championships.
Max fans were getting cocky that Newey would make the hidepod concept work. Then he disappeared and the cars gone tits up.
It’s just been insane this year.
Maybe this is why RB aren’t that bothered that Newey is leaving. He’s run out of ideas.
@@f.kieranfinney457 to be fair, the only things he's involved in is the rb17 hypercar now. Others have to decipher his black magic.
@@f.kieranfinney457 given how they backtracked on what they said about newey weeks before he said he would be leaving i think he was a goob bit, but now alot of their senior staff are jumping ship so the problem is getting worse
Right now Checo is the boat anchor on Red Bull. He's supposed to be there to pick up points in case Max DNF a race. Right now, Checo isn't anywhere near to front to help out Max on anything meaningful.
More likely that the FIA castrated the Bull for good when they banned the "Fiddle Brake 2.0" prior to the Miami GP... what we're witnessing is much more reminiscent of Ferrari's "Fuel Flow Fiddle" in 2020, it's nothing like Brawn's double diffuser everyone scrambled to copy.
P.S. Bernd Maylaender made a huge blunder in the Safety Car in Miami. He picked up Verstappen as the race leader (old habits die hard), had Mailaender waited for Norris, Lando couldn't have stopped for new tyres... or he would have lost position. It's all fairly well documented.
*Opponent moves on the brakes and drives him off the track*
"Man, that guy was too aggressive."
What an idiotic take. Can only assume you're now a Masi apologist as well.
Its all about others improving...if you go back in time you could say Williams fell off the cliff and then Mclaren fell off the cliff and then Ferrari fell off the cliff and then Red Bull fell off the cliff and then Mercedes fell off the cliff and now Red Bull fell off the cliff,,,,complete rubbish. Other teams improve.
No chance Norris wins this championship.
- He's weak mentally
- He's not ruthless enough
- He's not consistent enough
- He's already made far too many mistakes
That McLaren has been the best car for months already.
We'll see Piastri win it before Norris
It will be wonderful to continue to see max losing. It requires a lot more than a title to be considered a champion. Character matters - to some.
What a shit take man
Not everyone is as amazing as you. Well, no one at all really.
@@rolanddeschain965 Thanks for documenting your level of intelligence/maturity.
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That's rich. RBR was only dominant in '22 and truly in '23. Before that, it was Mercedes for seven long years. Before that, RBR, and not really in two of those four years. Before that, Schumi/Ferrari. Before that, McL with either Porsche or Honda engines, Lauda, Prost, Senna. I really don't see why RBR gets the flack these days. Except for the nets and social media being vitriolic as they are by their snakelike nature. RBR aren't all that dominant, really. Never were.
So now RBR is on the back foot. Do the keyboard warriors feel vindicated? Really? Do you even have a driver's licence, boy?
Wow that was exhausting to read
@@markclawrie007you did read it, though. Reading is good. Even if you don't agree, feel free
Right now, I'm catching up on NATO's plans against Russia in a yt, and wondering how much of it is clickbait. I still watch it.
Tin foil?
@@JohnSmithShieldsVery much so. Fight bias with bias!
Wow what a coincidence when ratings start to fall another team "suddenly" figures out the way. Lol. This is how you fix a series and punters buy the story
So how come it took 7 years for someone else to figure out how to beat Mercedes?
You can't be serious. 😂
@@Kuromori-v9zThe Fia allowed it to happen
@@Lonzz_14 Or maybe, just maybe, there was never any conspiracy theory that Alex Jones would approve of and it was Mercedes getting the engine regulations right unlike everyone else, if anything the FIA was trying to slow down Mercedes.
@@Kuromori-v9z If any other team had the DAS system in 2020 it would have been fried by FIA laser beam in the very second they got caught in the tests in Barcelona.
Instead they let Merc have it for the rest of the season.
Also, there is the pirelli gate in 2013.
@@Lonzz_14 Mercedes was constantly asking for feedback from the FIA since day 1, it was never a secret and the FIA was fine with it, Horner also lodged a complaint on the first day of testing and the FIA threw it away.
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