How to lubricate the pallet fork jewels? | Which grease? | Tutorial | DIY | Watch Repair
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2020
- How to lubricate/grease the pallet fork jewels of a mechanical watch? Find it out in this very detailed video! This is a video many of you, my subscribers, have asked for. I hope you learn something from it!
Lubricating the pallet jewels is one of the most important and difficult parts in the watch maintenance procedure. What do you need? Which oil or grease is recommended? How can you best store and apply the grease? Epilame treatment with Moebius 8981.
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Just learning about watch making- but know quite a bit about tribology. If fix-o-drop is used to prevent oil from spreading then what it’s really doing is a process called “grease plating” - grease plating is the process of coating an entire surface with a thin film of grease to eliminate dry surfaces that might pull grease away from the intended location.
that means you could make your own solution. All you need to do is take the desired grease and dissolve it in a solvent (ipa). Then dip your part and pull it out and let it dry - do not wipe dry! The grease suspended in the IPA will adhere to the metal and Ruby. This applies a thin film of grease over the entire surface. Because you applied a thin surface of oil, the oil you apply to the pallet stone will not migrate to other surfaces BECAUSE oil is already there.
Nothing short of a fantastic video. I am an ophthalmologist who did surgery with $200 000 Zeiss and Leica surgical microscopes so I have some interest in the quality of your videos which in my opinion are out of this world and far exceeded what we ever achieved. For my amateur watchmaking I use an AMscope with a 20MP camera and it is at best very average.
Thanks you!
What a great video ! Much better than what I produce. I’ve learnt allot here so thank you for that.
Thanks, and good luck with your channel. Practice makes perfect ;-)
The Watch Doctor I’ve been thinking of epilame for a while but it’s terribly expensive but then what isn’t for watchmaking ! I will share your video in my FB group as I think the members will like this one .
Feels like what can be said has been said several times, but I'm still going to say anyway.
Great video!
Thanks again Tom, never bored to hear that :-)
Wow, I’d have never realised how in-depth that process is. Engineering art
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. Your attention to detail is something to admire
Thanks for your feedback Riley ;-). Nice to hear that!
This video is definitely going into my oiling file and yes, I am excited about the 7730 video!
Thanks Chris. Nice to hear that!
I thought the advantage of 9415 over 941 is that you don’t need to treat the pallet fork with the epilam. This is because it’s a grease not an oil like 941.
Excellent video and nice explanation.
Great content and perfect quality of the video itself! Thank you!
Thanks Valentech!
Very nice video, thank you for the most detailed explanation, I really enjoyed it
Thanks Ramone, I'm glad you enjoyed it! it was very difficult to make this video, without a microscope... :-)
Thank you for your detailed instructions, truly appreciated.
Thanks :-)
Great work!
Very nicely done. And now onto the next video for Heuer.
Thanks Robert!
Excellent! Just what I was looking for. 😁
Genial Master!!!! Muchas Gracias
Superb true work 🌹🙏
I like the idea of using an oiler to help transfer the grease from the cutting broach into the oil well. Will try it next time. Keep up the great videos!:)
Nice to see you again. I also thought that was a good tip when I learned it, so I definitely wanted to give that. :-)
Great video! Thank you!!
Thanks!
Duidelijk verhaal! Dank je.
Bedankt Bartyron, fijn om te horen dat je er iets aan hebt gehad :-)
Super nice and very detail video!!!
Thank you oatbaa, I really do my best ;-)
Muito boa a demonstração l,
Amazing lesson!
Thanks man. You're welcome!
Utilizó este producto muy satisfactorio
nice video again , I look forward to your next video
Thanks Roland!
Thank you for this detailed video. After the epilame treatment the bead of grease seamed to transfer almost entirely to the first escape wheel tooth rather than distributed to the first 4 to 5 teeth.
That's a good note, but this was very difficult to film, and the first oil transfer (from the pallet jewel to the escape wheel) is not filmed, but 4 to 5 teeth is really the average.
I've done it on my own watches without the epilame the thicker grease for low beat movements kind of stays in place and the high beat Grease runs all over the place, down the side of the jewel on to the pallet fork, across the tooth of the escape wheel etc. the epilame evaporates really quickly even in an hourglass bottle and it's very expensive I would only use it on someone else's watch. I only do the escape wheel the pallet fork and the shock jewels for the balance.
Thank you for the video. Looking for the video on the Tag overhaul....
Thanks Sto!
Wouldn't it also be important to treat the escape wheel with epilame?
Thanks for the comment, that is indeed necessary! I apologize, because this has not been filmed.
@@therealwatchdoctor that would be an interesting procedure to film, epilaming the pallets (and other parts)
I do escape wheel ans pallet fork jewels install and wind a little.let it run a few to rub off epilame and only oiling afterwards
Please teach the hairspring centering and flatness on modern watch techniques, which without removing the hairspring
Hello Jeremy, that's a good idea, I will certainly make a video about that, and off course with nice macro shots :-).
I love your videos!! As an amateur I have what I think are two bad practices when oiling the pallet stones:
First, I don't epilame it as it is very expensive. I think I've read somewhere to only treat the stones and not the whole pallet fork, as it will leave a residue not good to be there. I guess then you cannot use those nice glass bottles (also quite expensive)
Secondly, I oil both stones, but you say it is very important to only oil the exit stone. I know there are many watchmakers that only oil that, but there are others that oil both as I do, and some brands (like Seiko) recomend lubricating both. Why is it so important to oil only the exit stone face from your point of view.
Yes, I heard that 9415 is thixotropic, grease where its not under friction, more liquid where it is. Because it stays where you put it better, it shouldn't need Epilame. Happy to be corrected though, I watch videos like this to learn.
Hi Dimitri, thank you so much for your videos, they are just great and very useful for me. Watching this video, i have a question, do all escapements interact with the pallet the same way? I mean are the teeth on the escapement always orientated like on this video or can it be that the escapement turns the other way around where the teeth are on the opposite side?
Great content, filmed and edited very well. Would you be able to share your camera setup and do you film under a microscope? Which one? Thanks and keep up the quality content.
Hello Rob, thank you :-). I'm sorry, my setup is a secret :-)
That’s a shame. People who share are generally the most successful. Always pushing themselves further. I guess you’re worried someone will produce better content.
hello, congratulations for the video and the explanation,
what model is the oil / fat deposit? aluminum?
thanks
Thanks Fabio.
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@@therealwatchdoctor thank you very much! congratulations again for the channel! :D
Is there an easy newbie friendly way to service a watch
Great! Most of my pocket watches are full plate, so your application method would not be practice. Suggestions?
Hello. A few days ago I saw a video on YT ... about how to oil the anchor and its stones. I think I understood it very well. but my question is the following ... are the anchor pivots oiled ???? I remember that many watchmakers told me that they don't ... do you have any opinion ??? I wait your answer. Beforehand thank you very much!
Hello Luis, indeed the anchor pivots don't need oil ;-).
Why only the exit pallet?
The service sheet for 7750 says only on the entrance pallet.
need new video
New video uploaded (finally :-) )
Thank you for the video! Very nice! May I ask what oiler are you using? That is a small tip!
Hello Mata, Thank you! That's the smallest oiler that comes from the Bergeon 7013-4 assortiment.
Schitterende Heuer!!
Bedankt Mikey, ja inderdaad een prachtige Heuer. Er zijn er nog maar een 10-tal van in omloop, dus zeer zeldzaam.
Sir, which is the exit pallet and which is the entry pallet,? Kindly explain. Also why do you lubricate only the exit jewel?
The exit pallet is the pallet that the escape wheel exits last. This should ensure perfect lubrication, if you were to lubricate both jewels, this is easily too much. I learned this from my teacher.
Thank you for your reply. I now understand it.
Without the music this video would be watchable.
Very distracting music
I understand... in my new video's there will be no music anymore ;-). ASMR style ;-)
Nice, but please turn off the background music. Annoying as f.
nice video< but it would be so much better without this horrible music
Poor baby.
I really wonder what watchmakers did before epilame. When was epilame first used? I know there was a form of axis being used that basically did the same thing, but I’m sure many watchmakers went without using epilame for years. Heck I know a lot of people here in Miami who still don’t use epilame!
Idk how people went by using 9010 before 9415 was invented. 9010 leaves the pallet and escape dry within 2 months or so. It’s crazy.
Great video! Thank you! Can you please explain why only the exit stone should be oiled? Could we choose to oil only the entry stone instead? Also, do you treat the entire pallet fork in epilame or just the pallet stones? The reason I'm asking is that I read an article (see this link: omegaforums.net/threads/basic-watchmaking-tips-oiling-part-4-the-escapement.87072/) that claims that "the [epilame] coating can be slightly abrasive, and if it gets into the fork horn it can cause problems like wear from the impulse jewel". Your thoughts on this would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
Hello Vostok, The exit pallet is the pallet that the escape wheel exits last. This should ensure perfect lubrication, if you were to lubricate both jewels, this is easily too much. I learned this from my teacher. I treat the entire pallet fork, but on some calibers this is indeed not recommended.
@@therealwatchdoctor ONLY the pallet jewels must be treated with Epilame. Treating the entire pallet fork will result in the ruining of the pallet fork horns and the roller jewel. Please do not dip the entire pallet fork in the epilame solution. Many high end brands made this mistake years ago and found out the hard way. Also, the method you demonstrate of inserting the tip of your acrylic stick between the fork horns adds the risk of cross contamination from your stick to inside the fork horns - again, this affects amplitude in a negative manner. You have some good points too.