A Muslim Understanding of God's Perpetual Activity | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2021
- Muslims have had intense debates about whether God created the universe out of nothing or if God created it eternally out of the perfection of His nature. So too have people of other faiths. In the Middle Ages, Christians moved towards the view that God created the universe out of nothing, from which the implication seemed to follow that in the conceptual pre-creation era, God was all alone. Some Christians have suggested that the Muslim God is deficient, as prior to the creation, God would have had no one to love, a problem solved by the Trinity doctrine which posits that the three divine persons loved each other before creation. But surprisingly, Ibn Taymiyyah argued that God must have always been creating. Dr. Shabir Ally says that it is thus possible for a Muslim adopting Ibn Taymiyyah's view to say that there never was a time when God was alone, and that God always had His creation to love.
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Thank you for mentioning my book (even if you left out my first name)! I have long felt that there is a natural connection between my work on early Christian monotheism and Muslim-Christian conversations, so I am truly honored and delighted...
Many thanks James, for enriching the discourse.
Hello Dr. James McGrath, I have referred to your books many times. I am sorry about missing (or on occasion even mixing up) your first name. Now as I get older I sometimes mix up names of authors when I cite from memory. But rest assured that you are one of my favourite and highly respected authors. Your book The Only True God really helped me to sort through and comprehend all the various perspectives on the development of Christology. I also benefitted a lot from your book on the Burial of Jesus. I now look forward to eventually reading your book on John's Apologetic Christology and your other book on What Jesus Learned from Women. For Muslims, it is a given, though we have not thought or spoken much about it, that Jesus must have learned from his mother Mary who is highly regarded in the Quran as one chosen by God. I am curious about at least that chapter of your book.
@@ShabirAllyOfficial Thank you so much for your reply, and I do hope my comment didn't give the impression that I was upset about my first name being left out. You knew my middle name which I suspect not many even among my close friends would remember! 🙂
I hope that if you find time to read What Jesus Learned from Women, you'll share your thoughts on it from a Muslim perspective. I'm very eager to hear what you think of it...
@@ReligionProf Do you have evidence for what you mentioned about Ibn Taymiyyah because I think that this is pure fabrication.
Hi Dr frank
As a Religious Studies geek and convert to Islam, this was super neat to watch.
It's so beautiful MashaAllah, a father daughter duo! ❤
She is also an accomplished scholar on her own.
Wow ! Make more of this , really like this type of religious philosophical talk
Jazak Allah for this enlightening talk. Plz keep these religio/philosophical discussions coming.
Very beautiful and enlightening talk. Added a new dimension of perspective to my thought-process. Thanks.
My word! That was amazingly deep discussion!
Dr. Shabir, Thank you for sharing the knowledge. That was amazing! JazakAllah Khairan! ❤️
FANTASTIC video! Thank you both!
Was pleasantly surprised to see Dr. McGrath's book referenced here.
Jazakallah. Please give us more of these insights
JazakAllah kharyran for seeking knowledge from Quran & Sunnah
MashaAllah, gratitudes for such nice academic talk
This was wonderful, very informative. Thank you 😊 💯
Allah SWT knows best.
ameen
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Indeed
May Allah protect Dr Shabir in good health to spread benefit through knowledge
Ma sha Allah Dr Shabir Ally for a very logical decision for such a topic concern about Allah
As a traditionalist Muslim, imo, when we try to assess these philosophical aspects, we're playing with air. We and our intellectual capacities are bound by 3 spatial dimensions and 1 time dimension. God is not limited by these dimensionalities like us, God is beyond these limitations, and we can't even imagine beyond it. The philosophies of why and how should be limited to the metaphysics that can be explained within our bounds.
Just so I’m on the same page as you, couldn’t the same point be said of some of the aspects of mathematics?
@@Punjabi_dude Mathematics, physics, biology, nature etc I believe are designed and defined by God. We can study the creations of God and the laws defined by God to whatever extent, but trying to study the nature of God himself, or the reasons behind God's decision to create certain things or to define certain things as they are, are well beyond us.
@@TheRockeyAllen, thanks for your reply.
Fair enough, but based on the information we have from revelation about God, combined with reasonable metaphysical principles, can we at least infer *some* things about God’s nature and decisions?
@@Punjabi_dude there are many things God has revealed, such as God being the greatest, the all powerful, the all knowing etc... that imo is important for us to understand.
When I say nature of God, I mean the dimensional nature. When we say what was "before" a universe that has one time dimension would be beyond the limits of that universe since that dimension of time is a property of the universe itself as defined by God...
(PS I'm just a student of knowledge and I obviously do not know everything)
That makes my head spinning around questions out of my bounds and realms and that is not good for anyone to contemplate cause we cannot contemplate that ,
Why God Created The Mankind if there was other creations , and why God Didn't create Mankind soon , When God wills he creates , Was creation of mankind a late phenomenon in GOD's Perspective, Is there A Perspective of GOD , We then get into inifinite amount of Limitations and Bounds For God And contemplating on a BEING which Cannot Be Known By the Human realms.
My head stopped at your comment.
And thanks for that.
Am a Christian but i really enjoy Dr shabir Ally explain things
Dr. Shabir Ali is one of the most gentle and well mannered person I have ever seen in my life
As a Christian your concern should be why he continuously quoted the Bible without understanding it.
This should be your concern. This Chanel is about Islam! But all his questions he quoted the Bible and most times he doesn’t understand what Christianity teaches.
I didn't know you both are related :D MashaALLAH
Thanks!
Dr Ally is a knowledgeable person ❤️❤️❤️
He's a sick person attempting to pervert the religion with a pervert named Ibn Taymiyyah. Whom is rejected by ijma because he contradicted the ijma in 60 issues and ijma is part of Islam as mentioned in the Quran and Hadith
@@mujahidsayfunnabiyy217 DAB on em haters
@@mujahidsayfunnabiyy217 To Be Honest bro, I also hate Ibn Tamiyyah because of two reasons, first He is Father of Salafism which lead to modern day wahabism which is extremist ideology. Second he considered God to have body like a human which means God have limit which is not possible.
I think the discoveries which will be made by the james webb telescope will also have a strong role in this discussion. Would love to know Dr Shabir's words on the james webb and its discoveries in the future.
Human parameters cannot be used on God. Wallahu a'lam.
I love listening to these two. Why can't my Catholic priest be like Dr. Shabir. When these guys talk. God is pure unconditional Love. He loves `All' his children, so he is the God of all, no matter what your particular religion is. We all have the same God. I remember hearing a story about a well known atheist convert, who converted to Christianity after having a near death experience. When he met God, he asked, "If I must return, what religion should I follow?" God answered him saying, "It does not matter. Choose whatever you feel brings you closer to me".
MashAllah I am mind blown !!
Thanks dear sister talking our main question thanks sister again secondly sheikh thanks
I think there is one part you do not feel so you don't get to relate. The part before any of you. Yeah I was horrible and I can't take back anything. I literally feel what you have went through. Living next to you as one of you taught me things I had never known as I was. I will never regret. I love you all and any changes and you wouldn't be you as you are.
What happened when you said you were horrible? Are you ok friend?
God is God!
He is unique!
He is not like anything!
He is creator!
Everything is creation!
Although we discuss so many things, we can do!
But what God knows we never know it if only he allows to know us ,as much as he wants!!!
We will conceive him as much as he wants! Not more than that!
He is endless ! Infinitive!!!
Let us love him as deep as possible!!
Considering time "is just apart of space-time, the gravitational field produced by massive objects", as Einstein called it, and God not being bound by the laws of our universe, it's very safe to assume he never was alone, because yesterday, today and tomorrow are present all at once for God. Time is a straight line only for us.
You guys should consider providing a list of the references in the description.
May Allah protect you from the evil of what they say about you
I think a big problem in this debate is the human understanding of time. We know time is a function of expansion, and indeed before the creation there was no time. So it could be postulated that Allah existed for an eternity prior to the creation, which is really only 14 Billion some years old, and will continue to exist for an eternity after. Will there be time or even a need for it in the world to come?
The Hadith says Kanallahu wa lam yakun staying ghayru. The Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi was Salam said Allah existed eternally and there was nothing else existing in eternity.
So very well articulated that I love you.
However, I may not concur on many accounts, nevertheless you made your position free of ambiguity.
At 10:20 when he says before universe was created there was water and a throne
Is crazily similar to the Hindu story of creation
Before universe was created Vishnu was relaxing on his throne anantashesha surrounded by the waters
Can u discuss how this relates to "eternally begotten" and the current internal Christian debate on the subject?
Assalaam wa Alaikum, wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu.
Did I understand this right that Dr. Shabir is Dr. Ally's grandfather? Even if this is not the case, that last part where he said, "I still love your grandma," was super touching... made me think about my own lost loved ones.
We can only know about the unseen from what Allah had already revealed to us. Other than that would be speculation.
We have in the Qur'an that describes the nature of Allah... "Huwal awwalu wal akhiru waz zahiru wal batin... " Thus nothing is before Allah.
00:02 The discussion about whether God created the world eternally or at a beginning point.
01:35 Kalam scholars adopted the belief of the universe created from nothing.
03:36 God is a necessary being while the universe is contingent upon God
05:30 Ibn Rushd defended the idea that creation always existed but with nuance.
07:16 Ibn Taymiyyah's philosophical discourse and evidence grounded in the Quran
08:50 Ibn Taymiyyah's view on God's creation as discussed by John Hoover.
10:35 Ibn Taymiyyah's view on the creation of the universe
12:10 God always had his creatures to love
I know this is a very basic question (but I do hope you see the value in it as my step-father asked me this question, and I realized I didn’t know how to perfectly answer it). Can you do a video entitled “what is the Quran?” Thank you 🙏 :)
IbneTaimiya' s concept of Allah is that He controls the creation by confining Himself to Arsh.The scholars in support of this school quote Ustawa Alal Arsh Ayat.After creating the heaven's and the earth, He ascended the Arsh.,( The Holy Quran ,2: --). If you ask any Hambali or, Salafi, he/ she would say that Allah is present on Arsh by His Zat and He is present in the universe by His sifat.
How on earth does the sheikh is overly dependent on the theological ideas on Allah & the creation of universe as if he is in doubt of Allah's perfection and His capabilities to say be and the things will come into being.
Didn’t Allah say he brought things together willing or unwilling then cast them asunder?
Alhayyu-lqayyum The self sustaining and Everliving caretaker of souls and what buddens them. Be concerned that no one can prevent Him from punishing you. Our knowledge shoud be limitted to what He revealed no need of making efforts in what doesnot help. A sound heart will see the lightening with thunder and know that He is to be feared if they be wise Allah protect us!
Please provide your insight on Noor e Muhammad first created by Allah
Good, but I will like to get more clarity on this issue among the Islamic scholars.
Can we say as a human or Shia Muslim that I am , God see the world through each one of us. I mean we are eyes of god, hands of god, etc…it is not based on Shia Muslim, it is my own perspective of life and god. I think we are his part of creation , the same time he gave us the freedom to manipulate his creation or advance our physical beings or environment.
Isaac is my favorite because Anakin is special to so many people i don't want him to feel left out of history
Isaiah43:10,13-"People of lsrael, you are my witnesses, l chose you to be my servant, so that you would know me and believe in me and understand that l am the only God. Besides me there is no other god, there never was and never will be "l alone are the Lord, the only one who can save you . I predicted what would happen and them l came to your aid . No foreign God has ever done this, you are my witnesses. I am God and always will be. No one can escape from my power, no one can change what l do."Amen.God bless to Paster Dr. Shabir Ally.
Where did God come from??? Who created God???
I do jot agree that god must needs to love something. God existed when nothing existed. Yes there was a time when nothing but god existed.
God the owner and controller has no need for anything. By creation the favour is to us. Angels have no free will but they do his bidding implicitly. He created heaven for those humans who believe in him, who will follow his commandments and choose to live under God given law on earth despite that he gave them free will and constant challenges from Satan's temptations. He also has a condition that of those, those without pride are the ones who will inhabit his kingdom. One cannot love God wholly whilst one has pride. True love of one's Creator, God, can only be created once a human divests himself/herself completely of pride. God has no need to do this - he has no need for love or loyalty - but he wishes to reward those who chose him over other false gods and false values with immense challenges here on earth.
Anakin birth was hidden i didnt see him come out and i gave him breath as i did issac
How would the concept of the multiverse 6nd string theory play in?
I think its much more complex than what our tiny minds can comprehend. And if we can have theories, I am certain these theories don't even come close to the reality.
Ibn taimeyah was misled by ibn rushd philosophy which states that all individual types of creation should have been existed with God all the time, ie, eternally, because if that was not the case, it is preposterous to think that a lapse of time would occur in which God would have become inactive of his inherent attribute of being a creator. That is a grave mistake of ibn taimeyah because he did not consider that time is created by God himself which means that he was independent of both time and space as well. creatures, including god's throne, are subjected to or governed by time and definitely this is not the case with God the creator.
Same way you can argue that the Mutakalimeen were misled by the christian concept.
To believe that Allah did nothing before he created, is actually a gravier mistake than believing, that Allah always created, always loved, always spoke etc.
Ibn Taymiyyah knew that time was created. It seems that you didn't understand his point at all.
Time we know is different and began with the creation of earth.
Hi. Dr. Shabir Ali. I'm from Indonesia and we mostly followed Syafii mazhab. I'm just curious about your origin in Guyana, what is the mazhab that dominates there and what is the differences?
Assalamu alaykoum Dr Shabir.
What I'm about to write is with a lot of respect for you and your knowledge but why don't we stick to what we know and leave the unknown and uncertainties to Allah SWT.
Or maybe these things shouldn't be discussed on the net so people wouldn't be more confused. Barak'allahu fiek
Imam At-Tahawi said, that Allah always had his Names and Attributes. Which means that He always created, heared, saw, loved etc.
Thats why the view of Ibn Taymiyyah is closer to the truth.
While the others have to say, that Allah did nothing, which does not befit his majesty.
Allah knows best.
This is anyways an advanced topic.
mashallah
Okk
Timeless creation is what doctor Ally endorses. This says that there was not a moment when God existed alone and that the creation were always there with Him. This does not seem to be consistent with the Quranic teachings about God where he is given the names , of His 99 Names , The Creator and The Eternal (timeless ) . He is also described as the first and the last .
Second, reflecting on the nature of God from a philosophical lenses, we see that reasoning from the natural world we can see that God was the first Cause of the universe . This means that He is the Creator of the space time reality we live in . Therefore time at least in the physical sense had a beginning . There was no 'before' the first moment of the universe coming into existence . This can be supported scientifically as we know of the Big Bang theory.
Taking all these insights into account , what would it mean to speak of the Creator and the Eternal . This means that God created the physical universe ( this can also apply to other worlds God may have created , whether be angelic world or otherwise) without preexisting materials. It is not like God created the universe from other universes etc. This will avoid infinite regress where you will never reach the First cause as God if you just keep going back from the present to the past. Creation in this sense therefore should be understood as bringing something into existence for the first time. Period. full stop . This means that God was timeless (eternal ) without creation then as the moment he created , he assumes state of temporal mode of existence . This means that God for example exists now in the present . If you accept timeless creation then Dr Ally would be commited to a view of time where there is no past , present and future , everything just exists at once. What we observe as motion and change is just our perspective of living in this space time reality . From a God's perspective , there is no such thing as change or motion . This would of course seem absurd and illogical .
Dr Ally seems to use the word creation in the ordinary sense as we might say ' I just created my first project' etc . Creation as it applies to God need to be understand as bringing something into existence for the first time without preexisting materials , physical or otherwise. This is why Dr Ally when speaking about Allah with his throne over the water ...saying there was something there before the creation . This seems painful misunderstanding . Whether be a water or some other entity , for God to name himself as the Creator , he has to be the first cause where he brings something into existence for the first time . This Quranic description may be understood as a metaphorical image.
Regarding eternality , it is easy to imagine God existing alone without creation then the act of creating would be the start of time itself . By the way time doesn't have to be a physical as we are experiencing today. It can be metaphysical . For example God thinking before creation, the thoughts passing his mind would be enough to substantiate time . To avoid infinite regress and affirm God's true nature , the correct view would be Allah is timeless without creation , then in time after.
Sorry for the long writing . Hope Doctor Ally would kindly respond to this .
I don't agree with Tayymiah. Creations r not eternal I believe. however, I also think that God's thoughts r not passing. Infact, all of God's thoughts, sight, hearing, creating, and other actions and attributes is like that CD which is unchanging and unchnageable that kind of projects all after-effects of its eternal thoughts and actions from eternity into time by time projections. The difference is CD in this world cann't have endless memory and projections but God already from eternity thought, determined, seen, heard, and created all of eternity infinitely without (past, present, and endless future) that comes into pass event by event one after another.
For example, I turn the switch on that first turns all the lights on, then the fridge, and then the tv. I intended all three of these to turn on and happen at the same time during that same one moment, but first the lights turn on, and after some time the fridge, and then after some time the tv turns on. Just because the tv turns on after a while does not mean I turned the tv on when it turned on, but rather It turned on because i intended to turn it on a few minutes ago. My turning on of the tv is not at the same time when the tv really turns on but a few minutes before it actually happens. Same with God. God created all his creations from eternity without ever starting or stopping creating but at the same time, at the same moment but creations take place at the appointed times and places that he decided and created.
@@salmo5841 I emailed u
Shabbir ally is hidden hindu.
So God knows everything he is going to do in the future until eternity
12:05 As for the question you posed at this minute, the answer is very simple and easy.
You have to differentiate between two things:
1. Love or mercy as an action that can only be shown to someone who is present with you
2. And mercy as an attribute that is always present with you. You show it only when needed and when you do not show it because no one deserves it or that there is no other person with you. This does not mean that you are not characterized by it, for it is a fixed attribute in you.
Alfa arabi seems to have (commandeered) the idea from Hinduism (Brahman (ब्रह्मन्) (stem) (neuter gender) means the concept of the transcendent and immanent ultimate reality, Supreme Cosmic Spirit in Hinduism. The concept is central to Hindu philosophy, especially Vedanta) seems to me that this idea like many others are quiet literally commandeered from other cultures by the 'the followers of peaceful religion".The face that Shabir made when he was referring to the 2 philosophers of Alfa arabi is priceless.
Ibn Taymiyyah's view:
Allaah azzawajal acts through choice, through will and power, successively, and He has eternally been like this, and will eternally remain like this, there is no beginning to His essence and attributes and no end.
Hence, with this, Ibn Taymiyyah opines that an endless chain of events (as in created entities besides Allaah) arising through Allaah's speech and action is permissible or possible, without any one of those entities being eternally present with Allaah and not having a beginning. Thus the eternity of the genus of Allaah's actions, is affirmed.
Evidence used by Ibn Taymiyyah:
"And ever was Allaah, forgiving, merciful" (Quran 4:96)
Ibn Taymiyyah explained to mean, that Allaah is eternally like this (that He is eternally one who shows forgiveness and mercy if He wills) so He is always creating, providing, forgiving etc
Does this mean that in the view of Ibn Taymiyyah an infinite amount of events can pass by and reach the current event? To give a example lets say if Allaah was always creating a day, to reach the this current day a infinite amount of days need to be have passed by to reach today. What is Ibn Taymiyyah's answer to this?
There is a Hadith where angels asked God what was the best creation after the throne and God responded the humain brain. According to this it means that God created everything, He created Adam with clay and water according to the Quran, so weather it was from something or nothing, that won’t change anything because Allah is capable of everything.
Can you present the Hadith.
Why did God need to create Adam with clay and water since he can create anything just saying "Be" ?
@@Maitatron God has created us the same way as Adam. The Quran has many verses of our creation. See if you can find any contradiction. and also there are two types of verses in the Quran read 3:7 and on.
Kun Faya Kun does not mean that God creates us in just. Everything has process and all the process takes time. Read the Quran and see if you can find any contradiction. If it is your thought that Quran was written by Muhammad SAW and not revealed by God then there should be contradiction.
@@camilla_cruncheee One can be wrong and/or tell a lie and not contradict yourself. Not contradicting yourself is not evidence that what you say is the truth- or a revelation from god.
@@camilla_cruncheee If even for God, everything has process and all the process takes time, then God is no more a creator than a mother having a child with a process that takes 9 months before we see the baby. And it is said that we engender a child and not that we create a child, so if God needs a long process for something to be, then he is in the same case of the woman who engenders, God begets the world.
There is no creation per se or more exactly there is no ex-nihilo creation, there is only transformation, it is the famous scientific law : nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed. It was intuitively perceived by ancient greek philosophers wich one said : "nothing is born or perishes, but already existing things combine and then separate again".
This gives credits to pagan religions, to the ancient Greek and Egyptian religions, to Hinduism and to a certain extent to Christianity for whom God is not a creator god but a begetter god. Thus the origin of the universe is not an act of creation but an act of begetting by the Word, that is to say the verbalization of the Spirit which after being self-generated in the primordial chaos (the eternal matrix of the divine spirit), generates its material projection which is the universe.
it's interesting how so many ppl around the world believe in monotheism, giving that belief strong credence. yet, none of them can prove, agree, nor define, even within the same sect of monotheist belief. destroying any credence to the belief of monotheism. it's like ppl have mouths, thus they speak and eat.
Ask the same questions to 10 pastors or 10 imams, they will give you 10 different answers to that question.
To me it's very interesting debate but I could not grasp it properly
I will ask you to do a thing. Will you please understand what children with power will do and act. They needed rules to build morals. Can you take the book you read and see it is very close to all other books. See them as guides. They all describe unity of oneness. If we observe oneness and thus the only true law of man, you direct energy out and it does affect you as the same energy. Treat each other good and you are treated good. Things have been screwed for a while as I learned my lesson. Can we work together in this? I think we can. Please forgive me
Religion has so many benefits of the doubt that it can create a new interpretation in ever changing time, it's a best way for apologist to hide the red flags of religion,
Guess nothing much can be done about it
Good luck everyone
Allah says in the Quran I am one I am whole I am complete I do not need another
Problem is IT and others haven't thought about God being bey9nd time and beyond cause and effect... Allah is awwal (first) and Akkir (last).... Meaning he has always existed and humans can only understand the reality with a cause and effect world.....
In Christianity if u lead the book of job that's were God creation was well explained
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Dear brother, I think men of God do Faith a disservice when we enter into debates. Truth is not determined by who wins a belated. Truth is Truth. Men of God are called simply to speak that Truth. Much of Truth is a mystery and we shouldn’t act like we have it all figured out,,, or could ever totally figure it out this side of Heaven. Let’s not get all caught up and confused by trying to explain the unexplainable.
In another of your videos you mentioned that we should not use violent in trying to get people to convert. ..
but that we should just try to persuade.
I agree that violence has no place in evangelizing; . but I have come to believe that it’s not even our job to try and persuade anyone… just to share the truths that we feel we have been blessed with receiving .
I like how you humbly expound on Islam. I have learned a lot, and have come to see that true Islam, Judaism, and Christianity have much in common. They all believe in the One True God, and His mercy and love snd forgiveness. All three Faiths tells us to Love God and our neighbor. Our Faiths call us to do justice and help the orphans snd widows. We are told to tell the truth. And we are not to be unfair and oppressive. Our Faiths calls is to live in peace.
Thank you for these videos.
Praise God!
And we pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Amen
May Allah guide us all. One thing that needs to be clear to all human being it's that our mind is incomprehensible to some ideas. Allah hasn't given us the ability of comprehending that knowledge. A basic example is that we can't see or hear something but that doesn't mean it's not heard or seen by other creatures. And we can't assume how those things are because it's beyond our knowledge. May Allah continue to increase our knowledge.
Universe can never be created from nothing and neither the whole Universe has been in existence from infinity. Matter has to be created from something and that element is called as 'Mool Prakriti' in Sanskrit which can be translated in english as 'primordial element'. Vedas holds the truth alone.
Okay why do we think so much about this ?
With due respect what I watched stems from stomatology (that’s what I call it). Confusion is being introduced with no basis for it and without a shred of evidence. If knowledge of that level was necessary or comprehensible by humans then Allah swt may have revealed it through His prophets. I understand it’s a human curiosity but will challenge one’s foundation of belief, all because of one’s incapacity to comprehend beyond a limit.
God is not in "need" of having creation around to love it. He does not have a problem with being alone (nor do we, as Muslims, have a problem with the idea). In fact, it is clearly stated in books of ahadith that there was nothing originally. E.g., Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 414: "First of all, there was nothing but Allah, and (then He created His Throne). His throne was over the water, and He wrote everything in the Book (in the Heaven) and created the Heavens and the Earth." So, *nothing existed at first* before God Created the Heavens and the Earth.
Also, I don't know why we are having this discussion, didn't know a "question" like this existed, and has in fact for ages... and am quite surprised by the pointless nature of it.
About what you said towards the end, we don't have to take every Christian idea and try to fit our narrative to it in order to respond to them. Their idea of God can be quite different sometimes or outright strange.. At times it sounds as if God is just another being like them..
@@kaluludhianvi Typical thoughts of a typical Indian full of hate. Focus on ur own "thoughts" before trying to decipher everyone else's. We don't argue with ignorant fools. Go spew somewhere else.
Salaam alaikum. Actually we don't know.
Lol i like to ve the lil spoon our star is actually
Whats the story of Ishmaels birth
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. - This verse doesn't say the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters when God created the heavens and the earth. The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters AFTER God created the heavens and the earth. So, God creating everything ourtof nothing is still consistent with this verse. Shabir has a funny understanding of this verse.
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Issac the star like me Anakin is the moon like his mother
Like a parent loving an unborn child
So its interpretations and what one chooses to believe. The risk here is all these are interpretations by mere mortals. Is what is said here verified or approved by God?
If God was alone I would stay alone. I would by no way create another being. God should've stayed alone. Maybe there is something we don't know cause God is supposed to be perfect. There is not supposed to be any evil
God souls and matter r eternal
I pulled issac out and brought Anakin back from death
Like I still love you grandma both of them MashaAllah
Right
Ana kin means love Peace
Note: Her grandma is his mother because this is his daughter
Respectfull why do you shave the hair under your lower lip upto the chin? Sometimes you dont shave; that looks very nice.
I don't agree with Tayymiah. Creations r not eternal I believe. however, I also think that God's thoughts r not passing. Infact, all of God's thoughts, sight, hearing, creating, and other actions and attributes is like that CD which is unchanging and unchnageable that kind of projects all after-effects of its eternal thoughts and actions from eternity into time by time projections. The difference is CD in this world cann't have endless memory and projections but God already from eternity thought, determined, seen, heard, and created all of eternity infinitely without (past, present, and endless future) that comes into pass event by event one after another.
For example, I turn the switch on that first turns all the lights on, then the fridge, and then the tv. I intended all three of these to turn on and happen at the same time during that same one moment, but first the lights turn on, and after some time the fridge, and then after some time the tv turns on. Just because the tv turns on after a while does not mean I turned the tv on when it turned on, but rather It turned on because i intended to turn it on a few minutes ago. My turning on of the tv is not at the same time when the tv really turns on but a few minutes before it actually happens. Same with God. God created all his creations from eternity without ever starting or stopping creating but at the same time, at the same moment but creations take place at the appointed times and places that he decided and created.
Its not from the sun thats a flat brown
There is a lot of difficulties with emanationism and eternal creations. The question is one of causal chains and aseity. If these objects are independent and a se then how are they related to allah's power and causal control, if emanations, then are they of different essence??? There will be quite some difficult questions to answer
Emanationism is nonsensical because it posits an eternal effect of God, a blatant contradiction. Perpetual creation does not have this problem as it entails that every effect of God is originated after its nonexistence by His will and power, and that only God is eternal.
Lol smh how does God subsisting as one divine person alone translate God cannot be Loving, Merciful forgiving, etc? Lol... these divine attributes are intrinsic to his divine being and he has the propensity to manifest them as required as he wills regardless whether he was alone or not....smh
Dr.Shabbir Ally has documented well here the history of this philosophical-theological debate, but I think he has missed out on the very clearly marked difference of opinion between Shaikh Al islam Imam ibne Tayyimiyah and Allamah ibne Rushd al andalusi, let me summarize for all in bullet points:
1.kalaam theologians believe that this universe has been created out of nothing and there was no created being in existence before it!.
2. The philosophers believe that there was always a creation in existence along with Allah, and Allah created the creations that followed from the already existing creation, so essentially Allah just fashioned or re arranged the existing creation to bring out a new form, just like in chemistry two pre existing elements are added to make a new compound!! So, according to the philosophers, the creation has no origin and is pre eternal with Allah.
3. Now, comes the view of Shaikhul Islam, Al Imam Ibne Tayyimiyah rahimahullah, he says that the dialectical theologians, the kalaam scholars have erred in claiming that this universe has been created out of nothing, neither the Qur'aan, nor the sunnah nor rationality (aql al saheeh) support such an understanding.
He then points towards the philosophers (especially ibne Rushd rahimahullah) and says that he got this point right, as opposed to the kalaam scholars , that this universe has been created from an existing creation which has been created from some existing creation ad infinito..
BUT this DOES NOT MAKE the creation either in part or whole pre eternal with Allah rather just proves that THE ATTRIBUTE OF KHALQ (CREATING) OF ALLAH IS ETERNAL and as going back there is no point in time when we can say that Allah has started to exist, similarly, going back in time, there is no one point where we can say that Allah has started creating, HE HAS BEEN CREATING ETERNALLY BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE CREATION ETERNAL RATHER PROVES THAT HIS SIFAT OF KHALQ IS ETERNAL!!
and Al'hamdulillahi, this is what the Qur'an and sunnah expound and the aql al saheeh accepts. Rahmatullahi rahmatan waasian ala Shaikhul Islam wal muslimeen al imam al aarifeen wal mufakkireen Ibnu Taymiyah al harrani.
Its hidden from me
Let’s be honest ….theres no answer just people’s assumptions