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o grupo que não prometeu nada e entregou tudo! achei sensacional essa equipe, as reações, os debates e os pontos de vista as vezes, jamais sacados por quem já viu a série inúmeras vezes, como eu, por exemplo. eles são muito espertos! estão atentos e curiosos, que venha a season 2!
Nossa, eu já sabia q posso aprender com Lost até eu morrer, mas o q esse grupo tá pegando de detalhes q passam despercebidos é brincadeira! Que bom que tá gostando!!
The group was saying something like "The others probably let Claire go when they figured Claire and her baby wasn't what they really looking for" but you've all forgot Ethan came back for Claire after she returned to the survivors. So, they still wanted Claire after however she got away from them. About the Kate and Jack cheating to carry the dynamite thing: Kate f'ing run without taking the backpack off when the monster came, so she'd probably be dead if Jack didn't cheat and put the dynamite in his own pack. Jack took his backpack off when the monster came as he's supposed to. So, I guess Jack's leadership decisions are better than impulsive Kate's insisting to do dangerous things herself. I wish the writers had an extra line in their dialogue for Jack to remind her mistake although Jack especially warned them and she just f'ing witnessed what happened to Arzt. (I like Kate in general, but she has some bad moments and some bad habits) Because Jack doesn't say anything to her, viewers miss Jack saved Kate's life doing that. I also wished Rodrigo said something about that during the discussion but I know there's a lot to talk and it's easy to forget. I got my hopes high when he looked at the camara during the scene :) And Jack has every right to be angry and doubtful to Locke and think they'll have a Locke problem after Locke says "Boone is a sacrifice the island demanded" line. Don't get me wrong, after experincing his miracle, Locke has a right to believe it's their destiny and they're there for a purpose or whatever but if you begin to say people's lives are expandable for a vague supernatural purpose that you're given by the island, then I consider you're a dangerous person as Jack does. I wouldn't trust you at all after that line and I wouldn't want to be around you. I'd even talk to other people that line, its implications and ask for a vote to either restrain Locke somehow or banish him away from the group. Because believing people might be sacrifices for just faith, goes into the similar waters like those suicide bombers in Sayid's flashback or whatever. It's unaccaptable in my opinion. It means if someday he wakes up and believes the island wants him to risk everyeone's lives, he'll do it... [All that said, Locke is also my favorite character in 1st season, because he's the most fun and mysterious to watch, like watching a really good villain. I'm not saying I see him as a villain though, I'm just saying he makes the story extra interesting as good villains do in other stuff. You don't have to always agree with him to enjoy him the most]
I never caught that myself! One of those obvious things I never noticed (Kate running with the backpack). My look at the camera was just because someone said something about the dynamite... well, another lesson Lost (and you guys) taught me hahaha! Yes, Jack saved her. And it wouldn't hurt to have a line with that. The moment where Jack and Kate talked about the Locke problem would be perfect for that, since they were kinda arguing. As for John, I think you have a point to a certain degree... cause as much as I would NOT agree with Locke's words if I were on the island, as a viewer of the show, I know Locke doesn't really mean Boone was expandable. Maybe a better choice of words would be "a consequence, a fatality", I don't know. But I totally agree that Jack has every right to be concerned and angry about it. Especially considering what he went through with Boone.
Victor: 'Mr. Know it all' Jack to fake Locke: - “You are not John Locke, you disrespect his memory by wearing his face, but you're nothing like him, turns out he was right about most everything. I just wish I could have told him when he was still alive.”
Locke was not right. To be right about something, you have to know its ins and outs. But Locke never knew, never understood. Besides, if they are there, it is to give them a choice in their actions and Locke leaves no choice. If he knew that, he would have left the choice to Charlie, to Boone, to Sayid, just in this season. But he didn't do it, so he doesn't know anything. 🤔
SPOILER************************************************ why make a comment about fake locke in the first season? people might accidentally see it or something. this type of comment doesn't even make sense here, I think it would be better to avoid it
It's alright, as long as there's a spoiler tag, but I get your point, Hatus... it's literally impossible for 1st time viewers to come close to any conclusions at this point. They're merely reacting. With that said, Mayra will be happy at the mentioned scene 😂
38:00 in my opinion, it's the opposite: Sawyer is self destructive, we can say "he wants to die" because he has nothing in his life, his old life is a mess, his new life is not great. Kate, on the other hand, is full of life, she keeps on running, because she wants to live, to try things, to solve things, to be involved.. as I always say, Kate is a Jack without his claustrophobic education
Waiting for the next season was really hard, but the discussions and theories with colleagues at work, university, and on-line discussion forums were pure joy.
Sorry Mayra but I think Jack is right when he says now there will be a Locke problem. When a man talks to you about destiny, that the people around him who die are sacrifices, that he voluntarily wanted to be carried away by a thing (the Black Smoke) which now visibly scares him more than when they first met, that he triggers the dynamite to light even though Hurley tells him not to and he doesn't make a move (unlike Jack) to protect Hurley from the explosion, I'll have a hard time following him without fear for my life, since Locke apparently cares more about the mysteries to be discovered than the well-being of his fellows and himself.
Eu comecei assistindo esta série de madrugada pela Globo, quando este último episódio da primeira temporada foi ao ar, eu surtei com esse final, e não acreditei que teria que esperar tanto tempo para a próxima temporada. Fiquei tão louca, que escrevi um email para a Rede Globo, e como acho que eles não recebiam tantos emails ( não existiam smartphones e nem todo mundo tinha um PC em casa), eles responderam, mas disseram que não tinham previsão da estreia da próxima temporada na emissora. Totalmente inconformada, fui fuçar a internet, eu tinha acesso à Internet desde 1996 e PC em minha casa desde 1999 mas, não tinha hábito de acompanhar séries através do computador. Quando descobrir que eu podia baixar os episódios e que a segunda temporada já estava passando lá fora, baixei todos os episódios disponíveis, descobri uma variedade imensa de outras séries que comecei a acompanhar e ainda me cadastrei na InSubs (o maior site de legendas do Brasil) para ajudar na legendagem das séries.
Que maravilha! Provavelmente eu assisti algum rmvb com legenda feita por vc então! Obrigado pela contribuição haha! Mas realmente, é pra ficar obcecado mesmo, Lost fazia cliffhangers como ninguém!
@@reatores Obrigada! Lembro que nosso "agradecimento" na época era: "P***a, até que enfim!" , "Demoraram pra caramba!", "Não estava aguentando mais!", mas a gente levava na esportiva, era bem gratificante. Assim que o episódio saía lá fora, o site pegava o CC ( closed caption), que era uma porcaria (às vezes, era melhor fazer só pelo áudio), dividia por 3, distribuía e cada um ficava com 15 minutos. Quando terminávamos passávamos a legenda traduzida e "sincada" (sincronizada) para o site, que revisava, juntava as partes, e lançava. Só a parte de traduzir e sincar 15 minutos, demorava cerca de 4 horas, isso sendo rápido e não parando para nada (você não tem noção de quantas palavras são ditas em 15 minutos de série). A pf derrubou o site umas três vezes, alegando combate à pir4t4r14. Não podíamos usar nossos nomes verdadeiros e usávamos o mIRC para nos comunicar ( pois era um programa antigo em DOS, e mais seguro contra eles). Apesar disso, e de ninguém receber dinheiro algum, era tudo muito profissional. Tenho saudades daquela época.
WAAAAALT hahahaha, o Walt não tem muitos fãs nesse grupo, podem levar Finais e inícios de temporada sempre bons demais Que venha a segunda temporada, que é nota Dez! 👀 (após os reatômetros)
Poor Walt. Lost his mother and his stepfather (and his whole life!) in an instant. I never understand why people feel negatively towards Walt. He's a poor kid who has been dealt a really bad hand in life.
Esperar na época foi um complicado. Tava engatinhando na internet, aprendendo a usar o orkut e brigando por conta das teorias, mas foi bom porque as respostas demoravam a surgir e dá-lhe teorias. Uma coisa: eu adorei todos os grupos, OS DOIS ANTERIORES mas eu tô amando esse aqui. Eles são mais emocionados (são chorões mesmo, e isso é ótimo kkkkkkkk). Essa cena do Artz explodindo é difícil você não se assustar de primeira, uma grande parte dos marinheiros de primeira viagem leva um susto lindo. . . . . . SPOILER obs: tem uma cena com o Miles na 4ª temp que já pegou a galera dos reatores no susto. Acredito que esse novo grupo, um vai tomar tbm kkkkkkk
Jack isn't perfect for sure, he likes to control things and has a savior complex, but in this episode alone his choice of not letting Kate carry the explosives saved her because she didn't let her backpack behind when the smoke monster appeared and he ran after Hurley when he was running towards the explosives after seeing the numbers. I liked the discussion you had about 'man of science, man of faith', Jack as a man of science should be seeking knowledge about what is happening on this island but he is for now too stubborn and only focused on surviving. Locke for his part is only concerned about what his destiny is, he is looking for meaning no matter the cost, and if the life of Boone is the price to pay he seems okay with it, not the most altruistic behavior for a man of faith, but we have also seen him help a lot of people in different ways throughout the season. Both complicated and flawed characters, that's what make them so interesting.
Precisely! And that's why there's so many Locke fans and so many Jack fans, cause people can relate to both of them for their attitudes and flaws. Mas, it's true, and I never thought of that, Kate was saved by Jack... we all know she runs 😂
Obrigado, Rodrigo. E obrigado a todos os reatores. Houve uma grande cena quando o monstro tentou arrastar Locke para o buraco, e Locke pediu a Jack para deixá-lo ir. E um momento maravilhoso quando Locke estava conversando com Jack sobre o destino. Eu me pergunto se foi a vontade do Destino quando Kate não explodiu, ou se o destino não teve nada a ver com isso porque Jack não aceitou os termos da loteria? Talvez por esse motivo, Jack disse que não acreditava no destino, percebendo que salvou a vida de Kate porque trocou de Mochila. É interessante pensar nisso. Desejo aos reatores uma agradável visualização! Ainda tem muita coisa interessante pela frente! E obrigado, Rodrigo, por nos dar a terceira temporada de reatores. É como voltar no tempo e experimentar os mesmos sentimentos novamente!
É um prazer, Dmitry! Sim, acredito que o evento das mochilas tenha contribuído ainda mais para que Jack acredite que ações devem ser tomadas, e não deixadas ao acaso!
Acho que a dualidade de Jack x Locke se pauta muito mais no ceticismo x fé do que na ciência. O Jack é tipo São Tomé: "Eu só acredito vendo, e quando eu vejo eu não acredito". Mas temos que levar em consideração que a fé do Locke é majoritariamente estimulada pela experiência dele em voltar a andar depois da queda do avião. Aí eu me pergunto: Se Jack, um neurocirurgião, ficasse paraplégico por 5 anos e voltasse a andar do dia pra noite, será que ele também não teria a fé que o Locke tem? Principalmente sabendo o quão irreversível era o caso?
Este é um pensamento muito interessante. Também pensei nisso pela primeira vez há alguns meses. Talvez se um milagre não tivesse acontecido com Locke, talvez Locke tivesse permanecido o mesmo que Jack. Por outro lado, Jack poderia ter se tornado um crente se o mesmo milagre tivesse acontecido com ele e com Locke. Por causa do milagre, era mais fácil para Locke acreditar em algo mais. Concordo com você, você fez uma observação interessante. E essa série, LOST, nos faz pensar e refletir, e ser observadores, e tirar nossas próprias conclusões. Uma série maravilhosa
Talvez sim, mas acredito que a ilha (podemos falar assim, já que o próprio grupo está falando assim) sabe o que faz. A ilha julgou que Locke já estava pronto pra receber esse milagre. Mas que Jack ainda precisaria receber pequenas doses pra ir trabalhando questões internas aos poucos. Mas sim, faz sentido tudo o que vc disse!
A cara de medo do Locke é de quem se cagou kkk. A cena da pólvora me da agonia, por que tem pólvora no olho do Charlie. O Hurley deixou a mala azul no meio do caminho ele tava realmente querendo pegar o voo, Esse papo do Jack já ir falar do Locke para a Kate achei zoado demais. Porem o Locke acender o pavio com o Hurley gritando também, para serie excelente mas como personagem os dois fizeram feio. O sonar acho que pegava sinal de objeto grande fora da agua, porem não da para saber direito. Tinha 4 pessoas no barco o Velho, 2 homens atrás dele e a mulher no volante. Acho que homem de fé e de ciência é errado, o certo seria homem místico e homem cético e ai é excludente para mim. kkkkk
Exatamente! Homem místico empolgado e homem cético teimoso seria o correto kkkkk Realmente, acho palha tb o Jack ir plantar essa semente contra o Locke. Mas pra série é ótimo haha
@@OrangeChrome Yes. Out of nowhere, with no indication that she's a panicky idiot, Kate is suddenly a panicky idiot? "Danaerys kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" and Kate kinda forgot she was carrying a backpack full of unstable dynamite??? No. Just crappy writing. A clever character is suddenly inexplicably stupid for the sake of the plot.
@@zammmerjammer Kate runs. Pilot episode, Charlie falls, Jack looks back to Charlie, looks back for Kate, Kate is already a million miles away on the other side of the island hiding in some trees. Jack knows how Kate reacts. She reacted exactly as she does. The writers did a great job with this one. End of story. ✌️
One thing this groupl almost caught on which I don't think the previous groups did: Jack and Locke were level-headed enough to put down their backpacks when the Smoke Monster showed up. Kate, who was supposed to be carrying dynamite, didn't, and ran off with her backpack still strapped to her back. She easily could have exploded and died and possibly killed Hurley too. Jack literally saved her life. Part of why I still don't like Kate for awhile (sorry Rodrigo).
All 3 groups caught onto this. It's just the writers making Jack look good at Kate's expense. It's nonsense. Also, SPOILER... I don't think Kate would have exploded...she's still a candidate at this point.
@@letsrock1729 True. They have these moments in the script where Kate is just inexplicably stupid for no reason. And it gets worse as the series goes on. Kate wouldn't have survived as a fugitive as long as she did if she was as bubble brained as the writers make her sometimes, just for the sake of drama, or in this case to "prove" that Jack's ego-driven decision to overrule the others and do what he wanted was "right."
@@zammmerjammer Yes, when comparing her on-island and off-island levels of competency, things often don't really make much sense. The Kate who planned/executed the bank robbery (for example) would have definitely remembered to take off her backpack. I never hold the writers' apparent 'confusion' about her character against her, though, as she is a favourite of mine.
Reações são sobre isso, gente... nem sempre uma reação momentânea reflete o que a pessoa acha de verdade, se parasse e pensasse. Mas parar e pensar durante uma reação estragaria a... reação!
I would have been fine with Jack being the leader right until the moment that he revealed that apparently he thinks being the leader is the same as being the king. It's not about "making a decision other people don't like" -- it's about being rational (being the only doctor and the leader means *you have to stop risking your life over dumb shit* ) and respecting others enough to build consensus. He constantly does this nonsense where he tries to CONTROL Kate and it's maddening. He treats her like a combination of a child and a dog, but the show tries to sell this idea that iT's BeCaUsE hE LoVeS hEr! bleeeeccchhhh 🤮 Jack's dad told him and the audience that Jack's problem is he cannot let things go. That is NOT a good quality in a leader (or a boyfriend/husband). Jack wanted to carry the dynamite (objectively a terrible idea), just like he insisted on following Ethan (another terrible idea), and insisted on carrying a gun to confront Ethan (terrible idea numéro trois). Imagine if Jack TRUSTED Kate??? And had confidence in her capabilities, especially when they are clearly superior to his (guns, tracking)? Sorry, I don't know if I have a point. But Jack's not fit to be leader if he thinks being a leader means treating the other adults around him like moronic children, and then lying and cheating to get his way when they question his BAD decisions. Nope nope nope.
I'm not gonna argue about it, cause you made your point with pretty good arguments... I especially agree that sometimes Jack treats Kate so unfairly... But to be honest, I think that if any of them tried to be the leader, they would fail in some way... cause you know, they're all flawed, and that's what makes this show so relatable!
@@reatores It's not so much that I am upset that Jack has flaws (because everyone on this show does), it's that sometimes it seems to me the show actually thinks he's being noble when he's not.
The hatch is open! And the raft's tragic outcomes!
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o grupo que não prometeu nada e entregou tudo! achei sensacional essa equipe, as reações, os debates e os pontos de vista as vezes, jamais sacados por quem já viu a série inúmeras vezes, como eu, por exemplo. eles são muito espertos! estão atentos e curiosos, que venha a season 2!
Nossa, eu já sabia q posso aprender com Lost até eu morrer, mas o q esse grupo tá pegando de detalhes q passam despercebidos é brincadeira!
Que bom que tá gostando!!
The group was saying something like "The others probably let Claire go when they figured Claire and her baby wasn't what they really looking for" but you've all forgot Ethan came back for Claire after she returned to the survivors. So, they still wanted Claire after however she got away from them.
About the Kate and Jack cheating to carry the dynamite thing: Kate f'ing run without taking the backpack off when the monster came, so she'd probably be dead if Jack didn't cheat and put the dynamite in his own pack. Jack took his backpack off when the monster came as he's supposed to. So, I guess Jack's leadership decisions are better than impulsive Kate's insisting to do dangerous things herself. I wish the writers had an extra line in their dialogue for Jack to remind her mistake although Jack especially warned them and she just f'ing witnessed what happened to Arzt. (I like Kate in general, but she has some bad moments and some bad habits) Because Jack doesn't say anything to her, viewers miss Jack saved Kate's life doing that. I also wished Rodrigo said something about that during the discussion but I know there's a lot to talk and it's easy to forget. I got my hopes high when he looked at the camara during the scene :)
And Jack has every right to be angry and doubtful to Locke and think they'll have a Locke problem after Locke says "Boone is a sacrifice the island demanded" line. Don't get me wrong, after experincing his miracle, Locke has a right to believe it's their destiny and they're there for a purpose or whatever but if you begin to say people's lives are expandable for a vague supernatural purpose that you're given by the island, then I consider you're a dangerous person as Jack does. I wouldn't trust you at all after that line and I wouldn't want to be around you. I'd even talk to other people that line, its implications and ask for a vote to either restrain Locke somehow or banish him away from the group. Because believing people might be sacrifices for just faith, goes into the similar waters like those suicide bombers in Sayid's flashback or whatever. It's unaccaptable in my opinion. It means if someday he wakes up and believes the island wants him to risk everyeone's lives, he'll do it... [All that said, Locke is also my favorite character in 1st season, because he's the most fun and mysterious to watch, like watching a really good villain. I'm not saying I see him as a villain though, I'm just saying he makes the story extra interesting as good villains do in other stuff. You don't have to always agree with him to enjoy him the most]
I never caught that myself! One of those obvious things I never noticed (Kate running with the backpack). My look at the camera was just because someone said something about the dynamite... well, another lesson Lost (and you guys) taught me hahaha!
Yes, Jack saved her. And it wouldn't hurt to have a line with that. The moment where Jack and Kate talked about the Locke problem would be perfect for that, since they were kinda arguing.
As for John, I think you have a point to a certain degree... cause as much as I would NOT agree with Locke's words if I were on the island, as a viewer of the show, I know Locke doesn't really mean Boone was expandable. Maybe a better choice of words would be "a consequence, a fatality", I don't know.
But I totally agree that Jack has every right to be concerned and angry about it. Especially considering what he went through with Boone.
Victor: 'Mr. Know it all'
Jack to fake Locke: - “You are not John Locke, you disrespect his memory by wearing his face, but you're nothing like him, turns out he was right about most everything. I just wish I could have told him when he was still alive.”
Locke was not right. To be right about something, you have to know its ins and outs. But Locke never knew, never understood. Besides, if they are there, it is to give them a choice in their actions and Locke leaves no choice. If he knew that, he would have left the choice to Charlie, to Boone, to Sayid, just in this season. But he didn't do it, so he doesn't know anything. 🤔
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why make a comment about fake locke in the first season? people might accidentally see it or something. this type of comment doesn't even make sense here, I think it would be better to avoid it
It's alright, as long as there's a spoiler tag, but I get your point, Hatus... it's literally impossible for 1st time viewers to come close to any conclusions at this point. They're merely reacting. With that said, Mayra will be happy at the mentioned scene 😂
This breaks my heart. Every time. Edit: grammar 😊
38:00 in my opinion, it's the opposite: Sawyer is self destructive, we can say "he wants to die" because he has nothing in his life, his old life is a mess, his new life is not great. Kate, on the other hand, is full of life, she keeps on running, because she wants to live, to try things, to solve things, to be involved.. as I always say, Kate is a Jack without his claustrophobic education
Makes sense... never thought of Kate that way, but somehow yeah.
Leslie Arzt, if he had lived: "Jack you're the only doctor we have. You're not bringing the dynamite back! Anyway, that ego is enough to carry."
Lol, indeed!
Waiting for the next season was really hard, but the discussions and theories with colleagues at work, university, and on-line discussion forums were pure joy.
Can't argue with that! Good times!
It's my birthday week and this reaction has been the perfect gift!! ❤❤
Ooooohhh I wish you a very happy birthday!! You're a cool nice person and I'm sure you deserve all the best! 🎂🎵👏🏝🥂❤️
@@reatores Thanks so much ❤
Sorry Mayra but I think Jack is right when he says now there will be a Locke problem. When a man talks to you about destiny, that the people around him who die are sacrifices, that he voluntarily wanted to be carried away by a thing (the Black Smoke) which now visibly scares him more than when they first met, that he triggers the dynamite to light even though Hurley tells him not to and he doesn't make a move (unlike Jack) to protect Hurley from the explosion, I'll have a hard time following him without fear for my life, since Locke apparently cares more about the mysteries to be discovered than the well-being of his fellows and himself.
Hahah an argument between you and Mayra would be interesting here in the couch!
Eu comecei assistindo esta série de madrugada pela Globo, quando este último episódio da primeira temporada foi ao ar, eu surtei com esse final, e não acreditei que teria que esperar tanto tempo para a próxima temporada. Fiquei tão louca, que escrevi um email para a Rede Globo, e como acho que eles não recebiam tantos emails ( não existiam smartphones e nem todo mundo tinha um PC em casa), eles responderam, mas disseram que não tinham previsão da estreia da próxima temporada na emissora. Totalmente inconformada, fui fuçar a internet, eu tinha acesso à Internet desde 1996 e PC em minha casa desde 1999 mas, não tinha hábito de acompanhar séries através do computador. Quando descobrir que eu podia baixar os episódios e que a segunda temporada já estava passando lá fora, baixei todos os episódios disponíveis, descobri uma variedade imensa de outras séries que comecei a acompanhar e ainda me cadastrei na InSubs (o maior site de legendas do Brasil) para ajudar na legendagem das séries.
Que maravilha! Provavelmente eu assisti algum rmvb com legenda feita por vc então! Obrigado pela contribuição haha!
Mas realmente, é pra ficar obcecado mesmo, Lost fazia cliffhangers como ninguém!
@@reatores Obrigada! Lembro que nosso "agradecimento" na época era: "P***a, até que enfim!" , "Demoraram pra caramba!", "Não estava aguentando mais!", mas a gente levava na esportiva, era bem gratificante. Assim que o episódio saía lá fora, o site pegava o CC ( closed caption), que era uma porcaria (às vezes, era melhor fazer só pelo áudio), dividia por 3, distribuía e cada um ficava com 15 minutos. Quando terminávamos passávamos a legenda traduzida e "sincada" (sincronizada) para o site, que revisava, juntava as partes, e lançava. Só a parte de traduzir e sincar 15 minutos, demorava cerca de 4 horas, isso sendo rápido e não parando para nada (você não tem noção de quantas palavras são ditas em 15 minutos de série).
A pf derrubou o site umas três vezes, alegando combate à pir4t4r14. Não podíamos usar nossos nomes verdadeiros e usávamos o mIRC para nos comunicar ( pois era um programa antigo em DOS, e mais seguro contra eles).
Apesar disso, e de ninguém receber dinheiro algum, era tudo muito profissional. Tenho saudades daquela época.
O que eu mais queria saber na época era se o sawyer tava vivo e se ele e a kate iam se ver de novo kkk momento fru fru
você era shipper do velho testamento kkkkkk
Hahah desejo justo!
WAAAAALT
hahahaha, o Walt não tem muitos fãs nesse grupo, podem levar
Finais e inícios de temporada sempre bons demais
Que venha a segunda temporada, que é nota Dez! 👀
(após os reatômetros)
Ansiosos!!
Coitado do Walt kkkkk!
Até que em fim galera q não suporta o Walt igual eu
Poor Walt. Lost his mother and his stepfather (and his whole life!) in an instant. I never understand why people feel negatively towards Walt. He's a poor kid who has been dealt a really bad hand in life.
See ya in the next season brothers ✌
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Just saving the world...
@@reatores I've read with Kelvin's voice
Esperar na época foi um complicado. Tava engatinhando na internet, aprendendo a usar o orkut e brigando por conta das teorias, mas foi bom porque as respostas demoravam a surgir e dá-lhe teorias.
Uma coisa: eu adorei todos os grupos, OS DOIS ANTERIORES
mas eu tô amando esse aqui. Eles são mais emocionados (são chorões mesmo, e isso é ótimo kkkkkkkk). Essa cena do Artz explodindo é difícil você não se assustar de primeira, uma grande parte dos marinheiros de primeira viagem leva um susto lindo.
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obs: tem uma cena com o Miles na 4ª temp que já pegou a galera dos reatores no susto. Acredito que esse novo grupo, um vai tomar tbm kkkkkkk
Que bom!! Adoro isso também, deles serem emocionados! E essa cena do Arzt é infaivel kkkkkk! No aguardo dessa aí que vc citou haha!
Jack isn't perfect for sure, he likes to control things and has a savior complex, but in this episode alone his choice of not letting Kate carry the explosives saved her because she didn't let her backpack behind when the smoke monster appeared and he ran after Hurley when he was running towards the explosives after seeing the numbers.
I liked the discussion you had about 'man of science, man of faith', Jack as a man of science should be seeking knowledge about what is happening on this island but he is for now too stubborn and only focused on surviving.
Locke for his part is only concerned about what his destiny is, he is looking for meaning no matter the cost, and if the life of Boone is the price to pay he seems okay with it, not the most altruistic behavior for a man of faith, but we have also seen him help a lot of people in different ways throughout the season.
Both complicated and flawed characters, that's what make them so interesting.
Precisely! And that's why there's so many Locke fans and so many Jack fans, cause people can relate to both of them for their attitudes and flaws.
Mas, it's true, and I never thought of that, Kate was saved by Jack... we all know she runs 😂
Galera se tiver ativado no de vcs. Vcs podem Hypar o Video 👍
Aahhh vou ativar isso! Obrigado!
Obrigado, Rodrigo. E obrigado a todos os reatores. Houve uma grande cena quando o monstro tentou arrastar Locke para o buraco, e Locke pediu a Jack para deixá-lo ir. E um momento maravilhoso quando Locke estava conversando com Jack sobre o destino. Eu me pergunto se foi a vontade do Destino quando Kate não explodiu, ou se o destino não teve nada a ver com isso porque Jack não aceitou os termos da loteria? Talvez por esse motivo, Jack disse que não acreditava no destino, percebendo que salvou a vida de Kate porque trocou de Mochila. É interessante pensar nisso. Desejo aos reatores uma agradável visualização! Ainda tem muita coisa interessante pela frente! E obrigado, Rodrigo, por nos dar a terceira temporada de reatores. É como voltar no tempo e experimentar os mesmos sentimentos novamente!
É um prazer, Dmitry! Sim, acredito que o evento das mochilas tenha contribuído ainda mais para que Jack acredite que ações devem ser tomadas, e não deixadas ao acaso!
01:47 - C@r#lh% Rodrigo! Eu nunca tinha percebido isso!
Kkkkk né?
I never skip the LOST intro lol
Hahahah
Acho que a dualidade de Jack x Locke se pauta muito mais no ceticismo x fé do que na ciência. O Jack é tipo São Tomé: "Eu só acredito vendo, e quando eu vejo eu não acredito". Mas temos que levar em consideração que a fé do Locke é majoritariamente estimulada pela experiência dele em voltar a andar depois da queda do avião. Aí eu me pergunto: Se Jack, um neurocirurgião, ficasse paraplégico por 5 anos e voltasse a andar do dia pra noite, será que ele também não teria a fé que o Locke tem? Principalmente sabendo o quão irreversível era o caso?
Este é um pensamento muito interessante. Também pensei nisso pela primeira vez há alguns meses. Talvez se um milagre não tivesse acontecido com Locke, talvez Locke tivesse permanecido o mesmo que Jack. Por outro lado, Jack poderia ter se tornado um crente se o mesmo milagre tivesse acontecido com ele e com Locke. Por causa do milagre, era mais fácil para Locke acreditar em algo mais. Concordo com você, você fez uma observação interessante. E essa série, LOST, nos faz pensar e refletir, e ser observadores, e tirar nossas próprias conclusões. Uma série maravilhosa
Talvez sim, mas acredito que a ilha (podemos falar assim, já que o próprio grupo está falando assim) sabe o que faz. A ilha julgou que Locke já estava pronto pra receber esse milagre. Mas que Jack ainda precisaria receber pequenas doses pra ir trabalhando questões internas aos poucos. Mas sim, faz sentido tudo o que vc disse!
A cara de medo do Locke é de quem se cagou kkk.
A cena da pólvora me da agonia, por que tem pólvora no olho do Charlie.
O Hurley deixou a mala azul no meio do caminho ele tava realmente querendo pegar o voo,
Esse papo do Jack já ir falar do Locke para a Kate achei zoado demais. Porem o Locke acender o pavio com o Hurley gritando também, para serie excelente mas como personagem os dois fizeram feio.
O sonar acho que pegava sinal de objeto grande fora da agua, porem não da para saber direito. Tinha 4 pessoas no barco o Velho, 2 homens atrás dele e a mulher no volante.
Acho que homem de fé e de ciência é errado, o certo seria homem místico e homem cético e ai é excludente para mim. kkkkk
Exatamente! Homem místico empolgado e homem cético teimoso seria o correto kkkkk
Realmente, acho palha tb o Jack ir plantar essa semente contra o Locke. Mas pra série é ótimo haha
Jack knew Kate would run instead of putting down the pack.
Yes! Never realized that!
Or the writers just made Kate dumb randomly to justify Jack's idiotic choice (and the fact he cheated).
@@zammmerjammer randomly? 🤔
@@OrangeChrome Yes. Out of nowhere, with no indication that she's a panicky idiot, Kate is suddenly a panicky idiot?
"Danaerys kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" and Kate kinda forgot she was carrying a backpack full of unstable dynamite???
No.
Just crappy writing. A clever character is suddenly inexplicably stupid for the sake of the plot.
@@zammmerjammer Kate runs. Pilot episode, Charlie falls, Jack looks back to Charlie, looks back for Kate, Kate is already a million miles away on the other side of the island hiding in some trees.
Jack knows how Kate reacts. She reacted exactly as she does.
The writers did a great job with this one. End of story. ✌️
One thing this groupl almost caught on which I don't think the previous groups did: Jack and Locke were level-headed enough to put down their backpacks when the Smoke Monster showed up. Kate, who was supposed to be carrying dynamite, didn't, and ran off with her backpack still strapped to her back. She easily could have exploded and died and possibly killed Hurley too. Jack literally saved her life.
Part of why I still don't like Kate for awhile (sorry Rodrigo).
Hahah that's okay!
Man, I had never thought of that myself. And we know Kate likes to run!
All 3 groups caught onto this. It's just the writers making Jack look good at Kate's expense. It's nonsense. Also, SPOILER...
I don't think Kate would have exploded...she's still a candidate at this point.
True!
@@letsrock1729 True. They have these moments in the script where Kate is just inexplicably stupid for no reason. And it gets worse as the series goes on.
Kate wouldn't have survived as a fugitive as long as she did if she was as bubble brained as the writers make her sometimes, just for the sake of drama, or in this case to "prove" that Jack's ego-driven decision to overrule the others and do what he wanted was "right."
@@zammmerjammer Yes, when comparing her on-island and off-island levels of competency, things often don't really make much sense. The Kate who planned/executed the bank robbery (for example) would have definitely remembered to take off her backpack. I never hold the writers' apparent 'confusion' about her character against her, though, as she is a favourite of mine.
"Não faz sentido ele voltar a usar drogas"
Gente, ces são tudo adulto. O conceito de VÍCIO deveria ser algo óbvio.
Sim eu pensei isso desde a primeira vez , é vício ele pode cair de novo , aliás recaídas são frequentes
Reações são sobre isso, gente... nem sempre uma reação momentânea reflete o que a pessoa acha de verdade, se parasse e pensasse. Mas parar e pensar durante uma reação estragaria a... reação!
Bem que vocês poderiam trazer Prison Break, uma das melhores séries disparadas que existem.
Adoro! Um dia eu faço...
Jack did save Kate's life lol Locke does lie a lot and does not explain things well, which makes him come off as crazy to normal people.
Yes!
I would have been fine with Jack being the leader right until the moment that he revealed that apparently he thinks being the leader is the same as being the king.
It's not about "making a decision other people don't like" -- it's about being rational (being the only doctor and the leader means *you have to stop risking your life over dumb shit* ) and respecting others enough to build consensus. He constantly does this nonsense where he tries to CONTROL Kate and it's maddening. He treats her like a combination of a child and a dog, but the show tries to sell this idea that iT's BeCaUsE hE LoVeS hEr!
bleeeeccchhhh 🤮
Jack's dad told him and the audience that Jack's problem is he cannot let things go. That is NOT a good quality in a leader (or a boyfriend/husband). Jack wanted to carry the dynamite (objectively a terrible idea), just like he insisted on following Ethan (another terrible idea), and insisted on carrying a gun to confront Ethan (terrible idea numéro trois). Imagine if Jack TRUSTED Kate??? And had confidence in her capabilities, especially when they are clearly superior to his (guns, tracking)?
Sorry, I don't know if I have a point. But Jack's not fit to be leader if he thinks being a leader means treating the other adults around him like moronic children, and then lying and cheating to get his way when they question his BAD decisions.
Nope nope nope.
I'm not gonna argue about it, cause you made your point with pretty good arguments... I especially agree that sometimes Jack treats Kate so unfairly...
But to be honest, I think that if any of them tried to be the leader, they would fail in some way... cause you know, they're all flawed, and that's what makes this show so relatable!
@@reatores It's not so much that I am upset that Jack has flaws (because everyone on this show does), it's that sometimes it seems to me the show actually thinks he's being noble when he's not.
im with mayra, jack is unbearable
She'll be pleased to know 😁