@@PissyKnish well that's unfortunate to hear, but in Phil's defense your intellectual deficiencies aren't his fault...butttt keep reading and maybe one day you'll learn something man, never know !
@@PhilGalfondDo you know if Elton and Jason are backed or if this could possibly be 100% their own money? Either way losing this kind of money in a few minutes should make anyone sick... I'm curious how big a hit it is to these kind of high rollers
@@riccardolozzi9336 Whoops. My bad. I was thinking of the range funnel from Conscious Poker by Alec Torelli. ruclips.net/video/l_tBnX8tNp8/видео.html&lc=Ugznc2woOnAZ6MGbPq14AaABAg.9ygfiB5yCFj9ykn3vjt8Vz
I'm sorry but after UTG check raised flop and called 3-bet, your fold equity on the turn is super low, also it's a board where Jason has the range advantage so it would be a punt to shove turn imo
not "that much" i would assume. Many players at that level use the money of others (something like, if they lose, they don't lose their own money, and if they win they get to keep a % of the winnings).
@@jordanphillips3341 5M bankroll is nowhere near enough because players in these nights comes with at least a million. So your bakroll should be in the hundreds of millions...which not many players have. So all the pros in it comes with loaned money
Pretty good river for Jason. I wonder if it brinked whether he was going to bluff or not. I bet he wouldn't have. I know we shouldn't play results but Elton probably should have bet more on the turn. I guess he thought Jason had 2 pair or better but I think with AA/88/77 Jason would have shoved on the flop. The only other hand to be afraid of would be Ax of hearts, and that is definitely in Koon's range. But you have plenty of equity against those hands on the turn. Betting half pot, Koon isn't making a mistake and if you bet bigger, you are forcing him to make his hand on the river if he is drawing. You might get some folds and deny him equity on the turn.
if he bets too big on the turn then his bluff/value shove on the river would be too small, no? 540K into 1.5mil. Too small to fold out villians hand if you are representing a bluff on the river I think. But I dont have the best knowledge on theory
Really enjoying the single hand breakdowns, but would love to see you talk about what the solver suggests, and why the player did/didn't go with that line/play.
Can someone tell me if Jason Koon is supposed to call if Elton shoves turn? If Im playing a low stakes tournament or cash game, am I supposed to call the turn with an open-ended straight flush draw when someone 4b the flop and jams turn?
It's just simple pot odds... Look up some videos that explain pot odds. You calculate your odds of hitting the river using outs, and then calculate the ratio of the bet you have to call to the pot size. He's got 9 heart outs plus 6 straight outs = 15 outs = roughly 30% chance of winning on the river.
The dumbos will never understand that logic but it’s correct. Jason is never shoving even a hand like top 2. Elton is repping a set. So when Jason shoves, he’s actually saying he has 65hh or T9hh or the diamond variety . for the bluff. That’s 2 combo of combo draw, one missed, other hit the nut. Jason also never has any set of his own because he would be shoving the turn with all that draw and 2 flush draws.
I'd imagine in this spot Koon is going to have 910hh 56hh 910dd for bluffs on the river. In this specific hand Koon hits on the river, but many times he will miss. Do you expect Koon to bluff everytime Elton checks to him?? Is there any cards you wouldn't expect Koon to bluff on the river when checked to?? Another thing does GTO call sets on that turn?? I was wondering what value Koon has on river to balance his bluffs. Thanks for taking the time to make the videos, I really enjoy hearing your thought process
I was just scrolling up from reading other comments to post this same thought JTh turns double gutter with K or Q, creates a bbj vs 65h lol It's crazy, but only slightly more so than his exaxf holding here?
Its a bit of a grim spot. Its multi-way and even if you are ahead, there aren't many cards that can improve your hand, whereas there are heaps which reduce the relative strength of your hand on later streets. It seems to me that a fold can't be TOO far out of line, regardless of what game theory might say on the matter
Ironically, Elton ended up playing the hand correctly, as in, betting and raising when he had the best hand (although he thought he was bluffing) and folding when he didn't. In other words, if he knew exactly what Jason had, he would play it the very similarly (would probably jam turn instead of betting large).
Its a bit of a grim spot. Its multi-way and even if you are ahead, there aren't many cards that can improve your hand, whereas there are heaps which reduce the relative strength of your hand on later streets. It seems to me that a fold can't be TOO far out of line, regardless of what game theory might say on the matter
I don't play cash. I only play tournament. Is Phua allowed to say "I'm set mining" ? Shouldn't he be NOT saying ANYTHING about his hand if it's not heads up?
I think he can say about his own hand in a cash game but it's way out of bounds to talk about other people's hands if you aren't heads up. I am not an expert but Phil didn't seem to think it was an issue or he probably would have said something when it happened.
I love the way u break down hands U do it so technically but also plainly so even a simple poker mind can benefit from. U are and have been my poker here since the omgclayAiken days. U r in my mind the real ambassador for the game.of poker. Both u and Little are great.for the future of the game.. Ps... still REALLY REALLY want a run it onve hat. Hook up a huge fan.
didnt check the math, but assuming you mathed right, thats just the needed equity if betting ends there, eg in an all-in situation...here they both have money behind so the hand continues, so either he thought even if he doesnt hit there might be enough scary rivers to get some fold equity, and/or he was thinking that if he hits one of his draws there were enough hero calls for some implied odds, especially the black outs for his straight look super dry on that board...
Its always "the right play" when a pro does it. But if an amateur does the same thing then its not. Poker is extremely subjective. I guarantee you, if I called into Crush Live Poker and talked live with Bart Hanson and gave him this exact hand played by Tom Dwan and Jason Koon ( I know the main hand was Koon V Stang),and told him it was me and some other dude, playing a 1-3 game, hed rip me a new a-hole; correcting me on every street.
@@iamamishiamamish8155 I didn't know gto changed with the limit size. I must have missed that lesson. They should rename it to "Game Theory Optimal Only For High Stakes" or iow GTOOFHS
Poker theory is, in fact, objective. Let’s use our brains here, should you expect the same play out of 1-3 players that you do from Tom Dwan and Jason Koon? Of course not. If you don’t even know enough about poker that you can watch CLP and not understand why Bart’s advice might be different, maybe you should consider the possibility that it’s you who has more learning to do, rather than that the entire population of poker pros are actually a sham
@@wills6487 Lol settle down kiddo. So i have you on record saying that GTO changes when the limit changes? You are 100% double speaking out your azz. On one hand youre saying poker is objective (meaning there is a correct way and a wrong way) and then you say it changes with the limit size and whos playing, which by definition is SUBJECTIVE. Its impossible to be as dumb as youre seeming. Moreover my above comment has little to do with the limit being 1-3. If I called Bart and told him I was playing 10-20 or 25-50, hed still correct me on every street. Dont be such kiss azz doofus one time in your life
Definitely can't fold turn. You need 25% equity to call the half-pot bet which you will always have unless villain has Ah xh, so against villain's range, its a must-call. I liked the analysis on calling vs shoving turn though
@@user-rx1mb5fp7c with the line he took I would just assume a huge portion of his range is AhXh with a backdoor straight. And in that scenario I'm basically dead. The way he played the flop is just so wonky. Check, call, raise is so strange because rarely it's presupposing Koon is check raising
Great hand, great analysis as usual from Phil Galfond, but I can't watch videos with these stupid Applebee's coasters as chips and not giggle through the whole thing.
Anyone out there have a run it once hat for sale.... please Been looked for one for a while. Chatted w Phill in an email and they aren't doing merch anymore
My release timeline is 1.5-8 weeks from the date of recording, so it doesn’t make sense for me to do current events. If you follow me on X, you’ll see me talking current events more often, this included.
That thing at the end is so annoying if regs do that; probing about the other guy's hand while not giving up any info themselves. Just shut up, if the rec wants to talk they will
phil, why you clickbait? its not a 2million dollar pot with a SFD, its a 1.5Million dollar pot with SFD. by the time he makes the pot 2Mil+, he doesn't have a SFD anymore, since all the cards are out. Jesus how am I supposed to learn anything from this channel if you cant even understand nuance.
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Arent you just republishing Tommy Angelos intellectual property? The only thing of value I'v ever learned from you is the name Tommy Angelo.
@@PissyKnish well that's unfortunate to hear, but in Phil's defense your intellectual deficiencies aren't his fault...butttt keep reading and maybe one day you'll learn something man, never know !
Fight me. @@JelloJiggleMan
Phill, really really want a run it once hat. Help a guy out. U r already my poker hero
Regardless of theory, the feeling of relief/elation Jason must have felt when the 4c hit the river must have been insane.
haha bro, he eyaculated 7 times in 2 seconds while he saw that cards and was trying to get still. SICK card, just the perfect one
For sure! We’re all still human.
There’s no such thing as theory in poker. Ya’ll are all delusional by looking at charts. This channel is a joke.
@@Great_PatBingsoo yeah hahaha players who've won millions at poker and who consistently win tournaments are delusional
@@Great_PatBingsooyou sound like a standard 1/2 losing player - unwilling to learn, so you will keep on losing
“ I was trying to find a way to call” what a legend
Legendary table and crazy hand broken down by a legend. Poker at the highest level has some of the most unique and interesting minds.
Love these type of vids! Always excited to see hand breakdowns!
Awesome. More to come!
What is this game holy cow?! 2k-4k-10k with Ivey, dwan, koon and jungle??
It’s a Triton game they’ve got some of the best high stakes to watch honestly a good mix of recs n pros
Triton has some huge games and events!
@@PhilGalfondDo you know if Elton and Jason are backed or if this could possibly be 100% their own money?
Either way losing this kind of money in a few minutes should make anyone sick... I'm curious how big a hit it is to these kind of high rollers
@@jonathanhansson804pretty sure neither are backed .
there’s no mike apostle. Still pretty cool though. Apostle is better than Ivey and Dwan TBH.
I wish they would agree to play a max high stakes game.
I Lol'd for real at 4:55 "and this is...interesting"
I learned more about ranges in this video than I have learned in all the other videos I've watched combined
Great, this man posts great material
He did a great video on how to narrow down ranges throughout a hand that really opened my eyes and has definitely helped my game.
Which video?
@@riccardolozzi9336 Whoops. My bad. I was thinking of the range funnel from Conscious Poker by Alec Torelli. ruclips.net/video/l_tBnX8tNp8/видео.html&lc=Ugznc2woOnAZ6MGbPq14AaABAg.9ygfiB5yCFj9ykn3vjt8Vz
Yes, what video, please?
I think K7s can shove turn, you get extra FEquity against made hands and value against combo draws.
Its also really hard to play river when you miss.
Yea would love to know the theory behind why Phil wouldnt have jams for 1.3x pot on this dynamic of a turn
I'm sorry but after UTG check raised flop and called 3-bet, your fold equity on the turn is super low, also it's a board where Jason has the range advantage so it would be a punt to shove turn imo
Love your hand reviews Phil. Seriously super awesome
Thank you so much!
youve made poker entertaining again!!
I really wish the river bricked for Koon and was checked to. Would love to see if he went for it
What bankroll do you need to play at these stakes ?
4 buyins
All of it
not "that much" i would assume. Many players at that level use the money of others (something like, if they lose, they don't lose their own money, and if they win they get to keep a % of the winnings).
U need like 5 million$ bankroll or u need to be good enough to be staked
@@jordanphillips3341 5M bankroll is nowhere near enough because players in these nights comes with at least a million. So your bakroll should be in the hundreds of millions...which not many players have.
So all the pros in it comes with loaned money
I don’t understand what betting that sizing on the turn accomplishes. Either jam and put max pressure or check and take your equity.
Pretty good river for Jason. I wonder if it brinked whether he was going to bluff or not. I bet he wouldn't have. I know we shouldn't play results but Elton probably should have bet more on the turn. I guess he thought Jason had 2 pair or better but I think with AA/88/77 Jason would have shoved on the flop. The only other hand to be afraid of would be Ax of hearts, and that is definitely in Koon's range. But you have plenty of equity against those hands on the turn.
Betting half pot, Koon isn't making a mistake and if you bet bigger, you are forcing him to make his hand on the river if he is drawing. You might get some folds and deny him equity on the turn.
if he bets too big on the turn then his bluff/value shove on the river would be too small, no? 540K into 1.5mil. Too small to fold out villians hand if you are representing a bluff on the river I think. But I dont have the best knowledge on theory
Superb analysis
Thanks a ton :)
what r with those huge disks. but then they also have chips?
Really enjoying the single hand breakdowns, but would love to see you talk about what the solver suggests, and why the player did/didn't go with that line/play.
Please DON'T do this. If I wanna get bored to tears with solver solver solver there are a hundred other channels doing that already
Wonder if Jason Koon would take this line if it was a 2s on the river, and if Elton Tsang would call off that bluff.
What a sick hand. Jason is a stud.
All your videos are good. This as well. Like and thanks.
I appreciate that! Thank you!!
Can someone tell me if Jason Koon is supposed to call if Elton shoves turn? If Im playing a low stakes tournament or cash game, am I supposed to call the turn with an open-ended straight flush draw when someone 4b the flop and jams turn?
It's just simple pot odds... Look up some videos that explain pot odds. You calculate your odds of hitting the river using outs, and then calculate the ratio of the bet you have to call to the pot size. He's got 9 heart outs plus 6 straight outs = 15 outs = roughly 30% chance of winning on the river.
In these spots is a good live read just wrong?
Sick edits in this one. Did you fire Thomas? 😂
It's funny when played this way it's not a punt from Elton if he calls the river, i think Jason has said it while discussing this interesting hand
Flop play with k7 is a massive punt though
@@mmfb88 they are very deep tho, very disguised if hits backdoor nut flush
The dumbos will never understand that logic but it’s correct. Jason is never shoving even a hand like top 2. Elton is repping a set. So when Jason shoves, he’s actually saying he has 65hh or T9hh or the diamond variety . for the bluff. That’s 2 combo of combo draw, one missed, other hit the nut. Jason also never has any set of his own because he would be shoving the turn with all that draw and 2 flush draws.
Remember when they used to call 200-400 nosebleed stakes?
What do you call this
Suicide stakes!
4 of diamonds would have been such a sick river and may have generated the biggest pot in televised poker history??
I thought they were playing shortdeck until that 4 comes out lol
I'd imagine in this spot Koon is going to have 910hh 56hh 910dd for bluffs on the river. In this specific hand Koon hits on the river, but many times he will miss. Do you expect Koon to bluff everytime Elton checks to him?? Is there any cards you wouldn't expect Koon to bluff on the river when checked to??
Another thing does GTO call sets on that turn?? I was wondering what value Koon has on river to balance his bluffs. Thanks for taking the time to make the videos, I really enjoy hearing your thought process
I don't think he would have bluffed if he missed but he was priced in getting 3-1 on the turn. Elton should have bet bigger IMO.
what about JTs for koon on the flop? seems sick but possible
I was just scrolling up from reading other comments to post this same thought
JTh turns double gutter with K or Q, creates a bbj vs 65h lol
It's crazy, but only slightly more so than his exaxf holding here?
3:50 seems like a tight fold?
Its a bit of a grim spot. Its multi-way and even if you are ahead, there aren't many cards that can improve your hand, whereas there are heaps which reduce the relative strength of your hand on later streets. It seems to me that a fold can't be TOO far out of line, regardless of what game theory might say on the matter
Ironically, Elton ended up playing the hand correctly, as in, betting and raising when he had the best hand (although he thought he was bluffing) and folding when he didn't. In other words, if he knew exactly what Jason had, he would play it the very similarly (would probably jam turn instead of betting large).
I'm stunned Tom folded that hand in position. That's a call and see what happens kind of hand given the configuration and texture, imo.
Why don't you pull up a million and show us how to play in that game.
Its a bit of a grim spot. Its multi-way and even if you are ahead, there aren't many cards that can improve your hand, whereas there are heaps which reduce the relative strength of your hand on later streets. It seems to me that a fold can't be TOO far out of line, regardless of what game theory might say on the matter
your hand is so capped... literally the only card you want to see is the ace of spades
I’m trying to think whether I’ve won money or lost money when I flopped a straight flush draw…
Sheesh! Yea that was a good one!
I don't play cash. I only play tournament. Is Phua allowed to say "I'm set mining" ? Shouldn't he be NOT saying ANYTHING about his hand if it's not heads up?
I think he can say about his own hand in a cash game but it's way out of bounds to talk about other people's hands if you aren't heads up. I am not an expert but Phil didn't seem to think it was an issue or he probably would have said something when it happened.
well he could be lying. I assume it count as trash talk, which has relaxed rules on tv shows
It is just joking around, man. No one cares
I love the way u break down hands
U do it so technically but also plainly so even a simple poker mind can benefit from. U are and have been my poker here since the omgclayAiken days. U r in my mind the real ambassador for the game.of poker. Both u and Little are great.for the future of the game..
Ps... still REALLY REALLY want a run it onve hat. Hook up a huge fan.
i get a hand like this every other hand I play and have yet to hit.
Flop 3bet is always a bluff HU
that's one hella scary table... Phil Ivey and Dwan!
Don’t forget Koon. The guy is an absolute beast. Even in cash games.
@@nicholi2789true!
Jason needs 34% equity to call the turn, unless i'm bad at math, so it's a fold in theory?
didnt check the math, but assuming you mathed right, thats just the needed equity if betting ends there, eg in an all-in situation...here they both have money behind so the hand continues, so either he thought even if he doesnt hit there might be enough scary rivers to get some fold equity, and/or he was thinking that if he hits one of his draws there were enough hero calls for some implied odds, especially the black outs for his straight look super dry on that board...
Look at Jason’s neck artery pumping away…even high stakes guys get excited over a huge pot
Comments help. You’re welcome
Tom looks more and more like a Vulcan.
would be amazing play if hed shoved the turn
Its always "the right play" when a pro does it. But if an amateur does the same thing then its not. Poker is extremely subjective. I guarantee you, if I called into Crush Live Poker and talked live with Bart Hanson and gave him this exact hand played by Tom Dwan and Jason Koon ( I know the main hand was Koon V Stang),and told him it was me and some other dude, playing a 1-3 game, hed rip me a new a-hole; correcting me on every street.
I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he focuses on small stakes exploits, which aren't as relevant here
@@iamamishiamamish8155 I didn't know gto changed with the limit size. I must have missed that lesson. They should rename it to "Game Theory Optimal Only For High Stakes" or iow GTOOFHS
Poker theory is, in fact, objective. Let’s use our brains here, should you expect the same play out of 1-3 players that you do from Tom Dwan and Jason Koon? Of course not. If you don’t even know enough about poker that you can watch CLP and not understand why Bart’s advice might be different, maybe you should consider the possibility that it’s you who has more learning to do, rather than that the entire population of poker pros are actually a sham
@@wills6487 Lol settle down kiddo. So i have you on record saying that GTO changes when the limit changes? You are 100% double speaking out your azz. On one hand youre saying poker is objective (meaning there is a correct way and a wrong way) and then you say it changes with the limit size and whos playing, which by definition is SUBJECTIVE. Its impossible to be as dumb as youre seeming. Moreover my above comment has little to do with the limit being 1-3. If I called Bart and told him I was playing 10-20 or 25-50, hed still correct me on every street. Dont be such kiss azz doofus one time in your life
C'était une partie très intéressante
Merci
Mais c'était très difficile à comprendre avec Google translate 😅
Damn, I'm such a dork, I definitely would have folded the 65h on the turn. But also, that flop play was a psychopaths line, made no sense.
Definitely can't fold turn. You need 25% equity to call the half-pot bet which you will always have unless villain has Ah xh, so against villain's range, its a must-call.
I liked the analysis on calling vs shoving turn though
@@user-rx1mb5fp7c with the line he took I would just assume a huge portion of his range is AhXh with a backdoor straight. And in that scenario I'm basically dead. The way he played the flop is just so wonky. Check, call, raise is so strange because rarely it's presupposing Koon is check raising
What's the deal with some casinos having weird chips like this? I don't see the point lol, just use normal chips
Koon got extremely lucky on this
He was a favorite on the flop, 55% to 45%
"eXtReMeLy LuCkY"
@@sinatra222 - turn? Who had more equity?
Nice...drink coasters instead of chips
As long as 80% of comments on a Phil Galfond! video are by obvious massive losers, poker is well alive and kicking. 😂
Am I seeing things or is Phil’s nose really red?
Elton should've just shoved turn. Can easily shove sets there too for value
Great hand, great analysis as usual from Phil Galfond, but I can't watch videos with these stupid Applebee's coasters as chips and not giggle through the whole thing.
I can't believe Elton didn't shove turn or call river. 500k to win 2.5 million pot. You beat every draw except 56.
Anyone out there have a run it once hat for sale.... please
Been looked for one for a while. Chatted w Phill in an email and they aren't doing merch anymore
I know that it's cooler for the title of your video but that's not considered a 2M dollar hand
The title is "2M pot". Explain how there is no 2M in the pot
Conventional poker wisdom is that you want to just realize your equity with minimal investment, if you have a lot of equity.
So you follow along with all the weak tight regs.
GG has confirmed Superusers and no video about that? Shame on you Phil
My release timeline is 1.5-8 weeks from the date of recording, so it doesn’t make sense for me to do current events.
If you follow me on X, you’ll see me talking current events more often, this included.
draw is a bad play every time.
These chips are stupid
Omg what awful chips 😮
That thing at the end is so annoying if regs do that; probing about the other guy's hand while not giving up any info themselves. Just shut up, if the rec wants to talk they will
boring river
elton is cheating
this is why poker is gambling... you cannot control the shuffling
really?
Very pink nose Phil, drink much after the yt duties?
phil, why you clickbait? its not a 2million dollar pot with a SFD, its a 1.5Million dollar pot with SFD. by the time he makes the pot 2Mil+, he doesn't have a SFD anymore, since all the cards are out.
Jesus how am I supposed to learn anything from this channel if you cant even understand nuance.
Tom Dwan should be called Spock now not Der omg he looks like a Vulcan 🖖🏾