My favorite Hollywood gun myth is that you can fire off a bunch of rounds indoors without hearing protection and then easily hear what someone says immediately afterward. Guns are stupidly loud, especially in confined spaces, even with doubled-up hearing protection. All these cops and action heroes in movies would be deaf or crippled by debilitating tinnitus by the time their sequel rolls around :)
Linda Hamilton learned that the hard way during the filming of Terminator 2, when she forgot to wear ear protection for the elevator scene where she had to fire off multiple rounds in an enclosed space. She permanently lost some of her hearing from that.
I know of several police officers that after being in a limited gunfire exchange have wound up losing hearing to a point they are on disability. Yet the actors fire hundreds or thousands of rounds and think nothing of it. It like the 110 lb. women beating up a trained 250 lb. guy. Not so much believable.
As a former sniper, I should point out that a sniper's job usually boils down to sitting on a hillside for 48 hours watching an intersection, only to be told that your command gave you the wrong grid coordinates and that you actually need to be watching a different intersection somewhere else. Everything else he said was pretty spot on, though.
The problem is movie snipers are not on military missions and like we have real world home snipers in the news all the time. Yes accuracy is reduced and why they often fail but acting like it never happens is disingenuous
that's funny. I can imagine "the most accurate sniper movie of all time" and the audience simply sits there while nothing happens for 90 minutes. Then the call comes in, that they're in the wrong location, and the movie ends. Roll credits. "Oh man. I felt just like a real sniper!"
These days the most common job of snipers is done with large and small drones (gathering information close to enemy territory). The war in Russia/Ukraine is showing how fast the battlefield is changing and why we're seeing some early 1900s scenes reemerging like tanks with mattresses to 'bounce off' shells. Mankind is and always be very good in hurting others.
As the owner of a former United States Police Interceptor Utility , I can state, from experience, that many modern police vehicles have extra protection against bullets in the front doors, as does the back of the front seats. This can be added as an option at the factory, or as a aftermarket addition at a facility that adds all the gadgets specified by the police department ordering the vehicle. And as an added bonus, if you purchase a used K-9 unit, you receive an obscene amount of dog hair on every centimeter of the vehicles interior.
I used to know a guy who had a business armoring cars and SUVs. He used a combination of kevlar cloth and thin gauge sheet metal. His cars were only intended to protect against handgun rounds.
Two of my biggest: 1. Guns that make clicking or scratching noises when a character draws, reholsters or otherwise aims or manipulates it. 2. Characters constantly racking a shotgun or slide to show they are "ready for action". Not only does this imply they carry all their guns around on an empty chamber, but I've seen some characters do it so many times before actually firing it, in reality they'd have ejected all their ammo by that time.
Of all the movies to get the pump action shotgun right, it was Police Academy. A character has a negligent discharge after racking the shotgun, then sweeps all the cadets. Tackleberry, the gun enthusiast, doesn't take cover, because he knows the chamber in empty.
I've recently rewatched "The Terminator" when I noticed something: It evades some of those gun myths, and uses others. Yes, there's people flying backwards, gun exploding cars/gasoline tanks and sparks aplenty. But then there's the Tech Noir shootout where the amount of ammo is PERFECT. Pointedly so. Arnie fires 30 rounds (or thereabouts) from his Uzi, and then reloads. Reese fires five or six rounds from his pump-action, and reloads. And the movie really makes you aware of it, like the way Arnie reloads while Sarah cowers in fear. The movie came out in 1984. All those myths were established 'film truths' back then. But there's a strange effect that if the filmmakers just do one of the myths truthfully, they heighten the 'realism' tremendously, while keeping the emotion-grabbing effect of the other myths.
@@ProbablyNotLegitsome of us have familiarity with firearms will notice immediately when a gun that has a standard magazine of 20-30 rounds goes full auto for 30 seconds...that would be closer to 350 bullets fired if a M4 Carbine conservative cycle rate. so 12 magazine changes to put that amount of lead down range
@MartinBeer... EXCELLENT observation. 💪😎✌️ Cameron's attention to *all* of the details really set him apart from other filmmakers. It's also no wonder that "The Abyss" ended up being so bloody dangerous yet also one of the most incredible stories and perfect usages of EFX on celluoid.
The first terminator film is less of an action film and more of a sci-fi thriller and in that genre reloads are often used for dramatic effect. Look at the way Arnie reloads compared to Reese reloads. Arnie's is methodical and machine like versus Reeses panicked fumbling. A great way to highlight the character difference between Arnie's cyborg killing machine and Reese's frightened human.
Even the TV series addressed one of these myths! A character in the first episode ducks behind an armchair when a terminator is firing and is fine. You think it's the "concealment equals cover" trope, but it's revealed later that the armchair had been stuffed with Kevlar for just such an occasion!
Actually now there is bullet resistant drywall… no joke. A few chain hotels are using lexan impregnated drywall to keep drywall from breaking as quick Still using an IKEA coffee table would thin the herd a bit …
@@scotrick3072 well, it's sheetROCK. Or something. Yeah, oh crap! Gotta replace my bulletproof toilet paper roll. It's the stupidity gambit, if he can't see you, his bullet can't reach you. Sort of like, the tiger is hunting you, so wearing a blindfold is like wearing armor, since if you can't see it, it can't see you.
I was in the Army in the late 80's and went through a mortar training course. the first thing the instructor said was, "Can anyone tell me what sound a mortar makes when fired ?" A few guys made a sound like THUMP. He already had a mortar set up with a round ready to go. We were about 30 feet behind it. He picked up the round and dropped it down the muzzle and quickly put his hands over his ears. BANG !!!! By far the loudest thing any of us had heard in our lives. He said, "If you were standing next to it without hearing protection it would make your ears bleed." A couple of years later I was firing a 4.2 inch mortar and I didn't have ear plugs in because I had to keep getting instructions for adjusting the orientation of the tube as we were doing a comprehensive fire mission. I would drop the round and quickly start walking away and cover my ears. One time right when I dropped the round somebody yelled my name and it distracted me just long enough that my hands were still several inches from my ears. It felt like some had poked both of my eardrums with Q-tips at the same time. It was only painful for a few seconds. I was about 10 feet from it when it fired, if I had been next to it I have no doubt that my ears would have bled. That's a lot different than the THUMP in the movies.
There are two other things that get me: 1. Guns are LOUD. It's amazing that you rarely ever see anyone go deaf. 2. Speed of sound. Typically, the bullet would hit before you would even hear the gun, but the majority of the time, they happen simultaneously. Think Saving Private Ryan is the only time I've seen them acknowledge the guy hitting the ground before they even heard the shot.
Corridor Digital did a RUclips Red show several years ago that has an incredible sniper scene. They leaned hard into the realism for it and it really heightened the scene. From a perspective close to the target, you see the muzzle flash, then the bullet impacts, and then you hear the report of the rifle. Very cool cinematography and sound design. Sorry, I can't remember the name of the show, and I don't even know if it's on their main channel.
@@aviodenheimer4090 Why? I have guns that rattle as you call it. It's just not as loud as they portray in the movies. Same way with a sword pulled from a leather scabbard. It does make a sound. I have a couple to proof it, but it's almost a whisper, not some shwanggggggg loud sound like in the movies.
@@dwc4343 when we went out on missions it was very important that nothing rattles or makes any sound. If our guns rattled when we moved them then we would be in deep trouble.
Are you talking about the one that sound like they've got _three_ firing pins inside and click into an empty chamber the times? Like there's some sort of 3 barreled Gatling gun inside it?
@@ChaotiX1uhhh do you? There are many double action semi auto pistols, that do release a hammer and strike a firing pin even when empty. In fact, nearly every modern pistol manufacture makes at least one model of a double action semi auto pistol. There are more guns out there than blocks and 1911s . (Yes, I spelled glock like that on purpose)
As someone who works in a trauma center that sees a lot of gun shot wounds, the thing that bothers be the most is how quickly people in movies die after getting hit by a bullet like they have some sort of off button. It is incredible what I have seen people walk away from.
Hollywood doesn't have the time to let people watch the tedious process of a gunshot victim bleeding out and gurgling their death rattle like happens in real life. Then again, Hollywood also has popularized the dangerous lie that you can pull the knife out and stab the bad guy back. NEVER PULL THE KNIFE OUT! That knife being inside is the only thing keeping your blood in at that point!
Very true, but the reverse is also true, movies often shown someone shaking off a gunshot like it's nothing. Someone getting gutshot with a high powered round and pulling the bullet out and just going on as if they aren't seriously injured. Or as an example of something I was just watching someone got shot in the hip with a .308 and just winds up limping a little, when in reality the bullet would likely shatter the pelvis. Movies almost never take into account the effect a bullet's hydrostatic shock can have on internal organs and even bone.
I get most bothered when the hero takes 3-4 bullets in his torso, the hospital barely saves his life, then the next day he's running around fighting bad guys again.
You forgot about the clicking, in movies every gun clicks and makes noise every time it is moved even slightly. Similar to the swords going shiiing! Every time they're moved or sheathed/unsheathed.
I'm ex military. 2 of my friends were shot in Afghanistan, One through the leg and one through his arm. My friend that got shot through the arm with a 7.62 didn't even know he had been shot until he tried to operate a weapon. He said in the heat of the contact he thought his radio hand set had hit his arm. He kept the arm but has a steel plate on the bones. My friend that was shot through the leg didn't notice because it happened just as a IED went off and blew him over. He found out when he tried to stand up. He went on to spend 340 days in hospital recovering. He kept his leg and later went on to go to the South Pole with Prince Harry and other wounded warriors
You forgot that, no matter where-in Space, Underwater, on a Mountain top. when the Bad Guy gets shot, he is always going to fly backwards through a Plate Glass Window.
Who remembers Last Action Hero where Arnold shot at the car expecting to explode and nothing happened? The little boy reminded his hero that he is not in the movie.
Or the bad guy shouting "hellooo ? I just killed a person. Where is the police?" Pretty accurate for NY or SF where robbers are more likely armed than their victims
ummm, no. Val's character fires for MINUTES on end in full auto, only to reload ONCE! he would have been out of ammo about 8X over by the end of that, or need about 20 magazines.
@@isaned Wrong. He never shoots for more 3-4 seconds (I checked) before the shot cuts to someone else, which when he is reloading. Besides, they are using real Colt Model 733's with blanks. You can't fire more blanks than there are in the magazine.
And I was one of the folks watching, in real time, a group of bank robbers have a very similar showdown with police in N. Hollywood not long after that film came out. Use of this specific film in this way, yes, felt misleading or at least makes the authority of the OP questionable.
Showing clips of the movie "Heat" in a video like this is wild. That movie is praised as being one of the only realistic depictions of a firefight in a movie.
There was a ryan gosling movie that came out a couple years ago called the gray man, and in one scene he throws someone a shotgun and they go to shoot it and it doesn't shoot... they are like "did you throw me an empty gun?" And he says, "yea, you should never throw a loaded gun." So funny because I'm like finally something realistic.
shotguns are inherently not safe to use loaded in transport. Just due to how the locking sear is designed. Not highly likely that it will go off but it does happen. I dont take a chance since 12gauge can destroy just about anything in a house and is messier to fix that accident. Lmao
@@vicerichter1163 Guy blew his own head off and seriously traumatised an unsuspecting woman because he had a shotgun loaded when it needn't have been and didn't handle it properly... he stopped at a farmhouse to ask permission to hunt on their land and rested the stock of the firearm on the door sill. The woman answered the door and apparently he was part way through asking permission when the shotgun butt slipped off the sill, struck the top step, discharged and blew his head off right in front of her... we had that "delightful" little case study told to us as part of our Firearms Safety course prior to getting a firearms licence. The woman "wasn't harmed"... not *_physically_*
You forgot my #1 complaint about Hollywood's depictions of guns. In movies, no matter whether it is a handgun or rifle, they always seem to produce this same bizarre clicking sound anytime somebody touches one, or moves one. My other complaint is how they always have to pull the hammer back by hand when they are "really serious." That's so dumb because if you needed to pull the hammer back to fire (which 99% of guns don't require) then that means you were pointing a gun at somebody that technically couldn't fire in the first place, which seems really stupid.
The clicking sound is an audio cue for the audience, and remember that most movies are made to be understandable to the LOWEST common denominator of people. Iow, if you had a character pull a gun out, and you didn't include the gun click sound, a depressingly high number of audience members will not be aware that said gun is now "in play" and a threat within that scene
Yes to all that. Or they produce a 1911 or hi-power and at some point cock it for emphasis. Which means (if it will now fire) they were carrying it with one in the chamber and the hammer down (uncocked and unlocked) which is not any of the recommended options for carrying single action automatics.
The only feasible explanation for pulling back the hammer to be "really serious" is cocking the hammer on a double/single action pistol, where you want to set the hammer to single-action for a lighter trigger pull. This ignores the fact that a double action trigger pull is still perfectly functional
Whenever movies have people crawling through ventilation systems or the space between the ceiling and floors in offices, it cracks me up because those areas can't support any kind of nominal weight.
I hired a friend of mine to do some welding inside of a large american box store..... send him to the area he needed to do that night and go on about my business. Went to check on him and he was sitting on the air duct welding.... granted he did have his harness tied off but still. I has to explain why it's not like the movies they're not meant to support a human
10:02: It's funny that Rambo clips were used here. The rules of magazines don't apply quite as hard to belt-fed machine guns like Rambo's M60. Machine guns like that fire from 100-250 round belts, and even allow for the speedy replacement of barrels that have become overheated by sending thousands of rounds in the general direction of a target.
M60 standard rate of fire is 600/minute (give or take 50). Even a 250 belt would only last around 25 seconds of sustained fire, and we regularly see him firing longer than that. On top of that, the recoil makes it very hard to handle in long bursts, with accuracy diminishing over time.
Yeah, there were a few bad choises of clips. Like guns continue to click when empty, showing Predator and the minigun. Or sparks flying, when Rambo shooting electrical equipment
Im at Army basic training and its range day. I forget my ear-protection but figure I can handle one day of range without ear-pro bc everybody in movies don't need ear-pro. I fire one shot from my M4... PAIN. I fire a second shot... Mind-numbing pain and there's a loud ring in my head that frightens me to death that i may have sudden full-blown tinnitus. Luckily the ring stopped after about 4 hours. Guns are loud as phuq. Two shots caused physical, debilitating suffering. Now its difficult to watch movies without sarcastically asking "Where tf is this guy's ear-pro?!" Fun fact, kids- there is no cure for tinnitus.
Yeah, a few shots form a pistol OUTDOORS is tolerable. But even outdoors rifles are BAD without hearing protection. I once had thee opportunity to shoot a registered pre 86 m16. Unfortunately no one had hearing protection. I chose to do it anyway because it was being sold and it was my only chance. Figured i'd dump a mag or 2 just to say i did it. I didn't even make it half way into mag 1 before i noped the fug out. I think MAYBE 8 rounds came out in the first burst and i couldn't hear anything but ringing. Just like in the movies. It didnt "hurt" but it freaked me out. Took a few days to get back to "normal" and i NEVER shot without hearing protection again.
Another detail that is often overlooked is the sheer weight of the ammunition required for 30 seconds of a high caliber machine gun on full auto… 300 rounds of 50 cal would weigh near 100 lbs
Because in video games, you can carry 9999 of "pistol ammo" (fits every pistol), 9999 of "revolver ammo" (fits every revolver), 9999 of rifle ammo (fits every rifle, including 5.56mm, but won't fit an M249 because an "MG needs MG ammo"), and so on. As a nod to reality, you are however allowed to carry only 10 tactical nukes. I did like the multiplayer Day of Defeat (back in the days before it got nerfed), where a good team would carry shitloads of ammunition to their MG42/MG34 gunner duo.
yes 3 cans of ammo standard 50bmg belted ammo is right around 30 lbs each so 300 rounds 90 lbs and at max cyclic rate of 850 rpm thats only about 21 seconds of fire power
Yeah, the small dumptruck of ammo needed for that Minigun to fire in Predator and T2 was not in the scene. Those things fire 3000rds/min. They fired for well over a minutes and only had a small backpack of ammo. That small amount of ammo(relatively) would be gone in 10 seconds.
@@isaned yes 300 is the basic fire rate with some variants reaching up to 6000 per minutes and the smaller version in 5.56x45 was in theory up to 10,000 rounds per minute but tests and ussage never exceeded 4000. and was able to do 3 or 1500 burst and came in at 85 lbs wth 1000 round of ammon in a feed drum but the 5.56 never made it it the use it was projected to be used for and the system was dropped in the 90's
@@klausstock8020 Still not as bad as most medieval games, where you're carrying around hundreds of breastplates, greaves, shields, swords, axes, hammers and helmets.
Another is the myth of instant kills. Yes, head shots can kill instantly, but most of the time, most people don't even realize they've been shot and keep going from adrenaline. This is why people in real life, i.e. cops empty their guns into a moving target because that target is still capable of doing you harm.
This is particularly true for handguns. Rifles often do get 1 shot "instant" kills in real life (particularly, the "full-sized" rifle cartridges, like .308).
In films bullets travel very slowly, the hero hears the gunshot then dives behind a flimsy sofa thus avoiding being hit. Sofa are excellent for not letting bullets through.
@@jordanliszewski6549other details about suppressors, that video games in particular not only stretch the truth about but outright tell lies about: A suppressor functionally extends the length of the barrel. The barrel length determines how much powder burn occurs before the projectile leaves the barrel once the round is fired. Thus, when firing a suppressed weapon, one will have more powder burn and pressure created prior to the round leaving the barrel, meaning that the round will travel faster/farther and have a flatter trajectory than it otherwise would, and ostensibly cause more potential damage to the target as a result of the physics involved. Now, I understand why video games choose to have suppressors create the opposite effect on fired rounds, as having them perform as they would in real life would make the weapons being used so overpowered that they would be considered massively OP in a multi-player environment, but given how they're very rare to possess for reasons I won't get into here, most people's experience with them is through movies and video games. Due to this, most people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what suppressors are actually capable of and what their real effect on ballistics is.
The biggest gun myth I ever heard was in Die Hard 2. Bruce Willis says, "You know what that is, it's a Glock 7 made in Germany, it is ceramic and can't be detected by your X-ray machines."
"and it costs more than you make in a month" lol Bruce Willis supposedly argued against that line saying it was BS and the director wouldn't listen and kept it in. Def the dumbest movie line about Glocks ever haha
This gun myth was most likely the least stupid thing about that movie. Please, a trail of burning kerosene catching up with a plane that takes off at a speed of almost 200 mph and seconds later explodes mid-air into a huge fireball without any debris falling from the sky. Seriously, WTF?!
however it was a very popular belief in the 80s before ceramic guns became so common. total crap i know but ive seen it stated in novels of the period tv shows and even on a couple of bbc documentaries about terrorism . it was a bit like in westerns especially on tv in the 50s and 60s when the cowhands would take a dip in the waterhole and rustlers would steal the herd . they jump out and fire but their guns click because the bullets are wet! was true in cap and ball days but unlikely with the peacemakers used in most shows.
Of course not! Nearly all democrat anti-gun rhetoric is based on myth and solely relies on an emotional response rather than any facts. The exact same reason switchblades and brass knuckles are based in many states: hollywood misrepresentation, public panic, politicians exploit panic to strip away rights, repeat.
I'm a firearms instructor/salesman and I think you did a great job of explaining all these myths about guns that even customers of mine believe. Sure, there are other things that movies do, but maybe that could be in a part 2. Great job, again.
In part 2, please explain: a) firing at 30m targets without aiming, e.g. from the hip; b) holding one high powered gun in each hand gun and firing them side by side like semi-automatics.
@@serialclone yeah i get that 😁 as y a RUclips troll its my job to make jokes from serious statements 🤣 but seriously good luck in your career,but sometimes,just fór thé common good,consider not selling 🤣
my favourite scene of Hollywood getting it right in terms of cover was from the first episode of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. When attacked in her new home Sarah takes cover behind a chair that stops bullets. In a later scene when the police are investigating someone says "There's kevlar in that chair." Sarah had set up her home in preparation of being attacked and had put armour inside the furniture to make it into effective cover. Finally, Hollywood got it right.
One other example of Hollywood getting it right was Death Wish 2, at least for one scene. One of the bad guys tried to use a boom box to cover his face while he ran in an open space. Charles Bronson shot the guy in the head, the boombox not even doing anything to actually protect the guys face.
Except the fact that most high powered rifle rounds, ie EVERY "assault rifle" caliber, will go through the best kevlar without an issue. Not to mention the money spent and the expertise needed to do all of it effectively would be immense
@@NYAxeMaster2010Sarah had litterly survived one terminator already, rember the armory in 2, that’s was kinda the point she did spend years preparing becase she was scared shitliss Jon even commented getting in the movie how he never settled down and get moving from school to school while she kept fighting two boyfriends and trying to teach him to survive off the grid. She was paranoid to the ninth degree.
The one that always gets me is the idea that bullets stop as soon as they hit someone. Again and again someone gets shot, blood splatters what's behind him, but the bullet disappears before it hits the surface. I've seen this multiple times inside a car, where blood from a head shot splatters the window behind the head, but the window doesn't break.
@@oildalejones567 I like in the Matrix where Neo is blasting away at an agent who is dodging left and right to avoid the bullets completely but the glass-fronted skyscraper 100 yards away gets nothing. And of course I like in the scene where they have the shootout on the ground floor of the building Morpheus is in and a squad of SWAT is firing at Neo & Trinity and they do cartwheels, which alternates where your arms and legs are but center of mass stays in exactly the same spot as you move along. And bonus for the last SWAT guy to be killed dropping his M-16 and the flash suppressor bends as it hits the ground as if the rifle was made of rubber.
Movies also ignore how hot a gun barrel gets after a few rapid shots, burnt my fingers more than once reloading my shotgun and accidentally touching the barrel.
11:30 Suppressors do reduce volume a lot, but using subsonic ammo goes a long way as well. With light loads and a hefty suppressor, some firearms can be so quiet that the mechanical action of the gun becomes louder than the actual gunshot. Of course, that would sound like a loud mechanical, metallic clacking sound, not the whisper-quiet _pew_ that Hollywood so loves.
Which bolt-actions and single shot guns don't have. It also depends on the type and size of suppressor. If it has "wipes" and baffles, you absolutely can get it wisper quite (see: the Welrod).
Covert weapons may come with a slide lock. People on RUclips are doing good work with "movie quiet" up to .308. It's hard to tell, because "microphones."
In Terminator 2, when the T1000 and Sarah Connor unloaded with their pistols, the discharge seemed suppressed. Weird in a closed space, it should have been ear-splitting. But I thought that muted effect was very cool. Of course this is James Cameron we're talking about, the King of Kool gun sound-effects. Pulse-rifles much?
That's an excellent display of physics bein' physics, too. 😁 I actually love the fact that if you WERE being shot at and there indeed existed a decent body of water, you'd stand a better chance diving in than being out in the open. But... of course... there's the whole "when are ya gonna SURFACE" issue! 😂
Yeah, the Mythbusters tested that. Often, the bigger the gun, the less they penetrated (stuff like 50 cal rifles just push the round way too fast). The best case is a large, heavy bullet/slug traveling very slowly (for a gun). But even then, penetration isn't great.
Did you know that shootout in front of the bank was completely real, by that I mean filmed on location,..L.A. I believe, with full load blanks and what you're hearing while watching it was recorded as it was filmed. That scene alone was a third of the budget with shutting the entire area down, insurance, permits,..etc. Just an interesting piece of movie trivia in my opinion.
Suppressor* Ain't no such thing as a silencer. They shift the frequency of the supersonic shock wave back down to make it less loud seeming and so it'd also absorb some of the sound.
As a cutlery fanatic I hate how swords and knives make a SHING sound when they're just moved through the air, or even just held up menacingly. They especially do this in trailers and commercials.
The shing isn't supposed to be an actual thing the sword is doing, it's just an audio cue to remind audiences that the sword is sharp and it's movements are dangerous. It's not meant to be taken as "this sword is making these sounds when swung." If the audio que happens with a stationary sword, it's to show the audience that's it's of high quality, and possibly to mimic the sensation of being blinded by a reflection from the well-polished blade even if they can't get a good shot of the reflection. It seems silly, but these conventions are used for a reason, and its to try and show the audience something.
I never understood why in Diehard 2 everyone wasn't rerouted to other airports. And then my uncle told me that airports are responsible only for take off and landings and that regional FAA stations keep everyone coordinated to and from their destination.
And about computers and hacking. There's no animated rotating shit or flying code on the screen and people are not typing like crazy. (I watched Mr. Robot for a while, that got it right. Unfortunately the rest of it was boring.)
Another one is weight of guns. I picked up a Tommy Gun in a museum once. It was bloody heavy. The fatigue of carrying guns, plus all that ammo (hint lead is a dense metal) is never depicted in Hollywood. It's like they're all carrying empty plastic water-pistols.
Most common rifles are ~3-4 kg (~6-8 lbs). Not a lot of weight to lift but the weight is concentrated away from the body making it very tiring to hold for extended periods of time.
Yeah, that drives me nuts. Firearms don't go "click click" every time you look at it or pick it up. It's not a living thing like a rattlesnake . It's a hunk of metal.
@@johngriffith6692I suppose something like a dust cover or a strap could make a sound when the gun is handled, but you’re right. The constant clinking is really annoying once you notice it.
You forgot the one about how every good guy never misses, (even when they are holding the gun sideways and not even looking at the target) and every bad guy cant hit anything (even if they have a shotgun and are only 20 feet away from the good guy)
Don't forget the specialty guns in Hollywood. The Hero's Gun that only shoots the bad guy's hand. Even when fired at 2 feet and pointed elsewhere it will hit only the hand. The Farmer's Wife Rifle that, when pointed straight up into the air and fired, will hit an Indian on a fast horse, 500 yards away. I think there was also a Bad Guy's Pistol that would always miss even a pointblank range.
Learning the son of Hiram Maxim made the silencer to prevent deafness from gunfire is like learning why the earl of Sandwich made a easy to hold meal. The cool thing came from someone going "Well, that's inconvenient. How do we fix that?"
Is everyone forgetting that Arnold is NOT a "regular human" when he is shooting the M134? He is a solid AF "killing..uhhh PROTECTING machine" and could therefore shoot a M134...
And the commentary on Full auto weapons humorously featured rambo wielding a belt fed M249. Which can definitely carry enough ammunition to do the Rambo thing
@@drhkleinert8241 M134s are still very much in use mounted on helicopters and other vehicles. They've never been individual weapons because humans can barely carry them with power and ammunition, let alone remain standing while firing 4000 rounds per minute. The actors in Predator fired blanks from the gun at a very reduced rate of fire while not carrying batteries.
@@JonathanRossRogers The Minigun used in T2 was down-rated to 2000 rounds per minute so you could see the spinning barrels better. I swear I've seen footage of James Cameron firing it in "making of" specials but I can't find the clip.
I still think Maxim inventing the suppressor to keep people from losing their hearing like his father did is unusually wholesome given the subject of firearm technology.
Also, Hawkeye's hearing loss in his Marvel TV series. He may be an archer, but he's experienced enough firefights, explosions and head trauma to permanently damage his hearing. Possibly one of the more realistic details in the MCU.
@@shawntapley6733 I don't remember that being specifically mentioned in the films, but having enchanted quivers would make sense. (edit: word form correction)
The one thing that bothers me the most that's not mentioned here is that guns make a sound when you aim them at people. If your firearm rattles when you move it around, there is a BIG problem!
@@NemoBlank While you're absolutely right, almost all sound effects are added in post; the mic isn't picking up anything but the speech on-set for the most part. If it's something like someone slamming their hand on a table with a bunch of stuff on it, and it actually mattered what that stuff sounds like if it gets rattled on said table, then yeah, they'd record it directly, but odds-on it would be a highly directional mic pointed straight at the table, and it would get composited into the scene later so it doesn't drown out any dialogue or other important sounds. That said, I learned what I know about foley (creating sound effects) from a game audio design class and watching channels like Corridor Digital, so grain of salt.
@@NemoBlank False. That rattling sound WE hear is added in post. It's part of a collection of overused Hollywood stock sounds, like "the Diddy Laugh" or the hawk screech (usually used for egals) in westerns.
@@TheButtaSauce You're probably right. It does sound like badly made movie blanks rattling though. A six shooter sounds like a maraca if the blanks are done with birdshot instead of beads. I have some souvenir blank .44's from a terrible old cowboy pic that a relative was in and know the sound. Maybe low budget spaghetti westerns picked up the sound back in the day and later editors thought it cool or didn't understand that it wasn't realistic and aped it into their audio track.
@@NemoBlank this isn't entirely accurate, your not gonna man handle a gun loaded with blanks to insure your firing blanks. actors and on set professionals are to treat every firearm as if its loaded with live ammo and this is basic firearm training 101 even when the firearm isn't loaded (charged). don't get me wrong there has been mistakes on film sets due to the failure of proper safety checks by the actor and professional safety firearm handler on set that caused certain death. and blanks don't necessarily rattle either as the casing is still the accurate size despite it being a blank. a firearm of that calibre can't feed the cartridge if its not accurately sized. the case is what fills the magazine not the bullet.
The sniper battle scene from The Hurt Locker was really well done, the spotter is feeding the shooter juice boxes while everybody else complains about being bored.
You forgot the old and tired cliché of a gun going "click" when out of ammo, especially pistols. Most handguns have the slide lock back on empty mag, visually showing that you're out of ammo, but in movies, their gun goes "click" and they were oblivious to the fact they have an empty gun.
Yeah but it's like Why even put in the effort to do that? You could just have the person pull out the mag and it's a simple box with a decimal on the side
I think the "click" of an empty gun in the movies is a bit of acceptable artistic license. It quickly tells the audience that the weapon is empty, conveying that "uh, oh, he's in trouble" (if he's the hero), or "oh boy, now he's going to get it!) if he's the bad guy.
Dude, EVERY part of this was spot on. You identified every issue with gun characteristics in movies. Every time a new topic was brought up, I immediately knew what you were going to say about it. Bravo 👏
Excellent video! I'm a competitive shooter and I find most scenes with firearms laughable. You mentioned suppressors and you were spot on. While suppressors greatly reduce the report of the gun, you still need to wear adequate hearing protection if you plan on shooting many rounds. Speaking of hearing protection, the other thing that happens in movies is people talking after they have fired guns indoors and actually hearing each other. A pistol fired indoors is VERY loud and you will experience very loud ringing in your ears that leave you unable to hear anything for a few seconds to minutes. If you fire a rifle or shotgun in a confined space, it's even worse. I have made the mistake of forgetting my hearing protection and it's not one you make again. That first shot leaves your ears ringing really badly. For anyone who's played combat games, you're familiar with a "flash bang" grenade. That's basically what a firearm is fired indoors. It's insanely loud. Even with proper hearing protection, so rifles can still be too loud. When I shoot at the range if someone is firing a large caliber rifle I will double up my hearing protection using foam earplugs with muffs over them. But you still have to deal with the blast that shakes your whole body.
Yes, in New Zealand we have many stupid gun laws, like being able to shoot a rifle on your own property, but not a pistol, that has to be on a range, but at least we can buy suppressors over the counter. I have a suppressed 10/22, and with CCI subsonics it's quiet enough that you can hear the hammer fall. I did once fire it without subsonics and that sonic boom is pretty loud.
The fun of an indoor range and you choose to be next to the guy firing a .22. Then as you get ready to fire your first shot you find that he has switched to a .44 magnum!
:chuckles in memory: An old friend of mine, who was an ex-soldier, always used to fire off "Concealment is not cover" in our table-top gaming whenever someone tried to use some inappropriate environmental object to hide behind :D
@@captainspaulding5963 a car door maybe not because they can see below it and still know where you are but unless you are facing a storm trooper I'd rather they have to guess at where I am.
@@captainspaulding5963 false. Cover is better than concealment, but anything that breaks your opponent's sight of you is still better than nothing...unless he/she straight up knows where you are. Then you're boned.
As a gun guy, I very much appreciate the bit about suppressors. In the US they're heavily regulated by the NFA for reasons that can only equate to a poor understanding of how they work and their purpose. As a result, it's extremely difficult to access an extremely valuable piece of hearing protection.
The approval times are definitely better than they've been in the past. I'm currently in the last few weeks of a four month electronic Form 4 approval wait time; if I'd filed a paper version, it would have only taken several days, but I created an NFA trust through Silencer Central as part of this and the electronic method was the simplest way to go about it.
It's ridiculous the way suppressors are regulated. They are very rarely used in crimes because it's difficult to conceal a handgun with a suppressor screwed on to it, never mind a long gun. Rifles are hardly ever used in crimes with the exception of Las Vegas type mass murder, but that's a whole other topic.
@@DeshMeisterI'm from the UK and completely agree. Just about the only long term health impact of shooting as a hobby is hearing damage. On that basis, if anything, suppressors should be mandatory.
Misconception about modern silencers: While Simon was mostly correct, modern subsonic rifle calibers such as 300 blackout or 6.5 Creedmoor along with a rifle designed for suppressed operation can dip below 90 decibels and do not make a sonic crack.
In regards to suppressors, it should be noted they can be “pew pew” quiet IF you use subsonic ammunition. My friend has a suppressed bolt action rifle chambered in 5.56 that he nicknamed “Hollywood” because when you fire it, it’s “Hollywood quiet”. And it really is, chambering the round and the bullet impacting the steel plate target is actually louder than shooter it. BUT it’s because he uses subsonic ammo with it, otherwise you’d get the supersonic crack you mentioned.
So true. In basic, I was so pumped when we started grenade training until I saw what they actually did. They make a decent little dust cloud, but that’s about it.
Same with most all explosives.... but at the same time a real grenade is WAY WAY more deadly. In movies if it's 5 feet away, just duck behind a thin wood table and you're safe. Meanwhile in real life there wouldn't be a table any more, and you'd be mincemeat. Artillery is even worse. The hero can just run out in the open through the middle of a barrage, and come out just fine.
THANK YOU !!!. These are my biggest pet peeves about guns in movies or tv shows. Even more annoying is when they have been walking around for 10 min looking for the bad guy, then they made some stupid statement and move the slide back to chamber a round. So you have been walking around for 10 min with an empty gun? Or did you just waste a bullet for no reason? uggg
Or worse, they cock the shotgun 10 times before firing a shell. Dude, you just ejected all your ammo, and after you cock the shotgun, it's LOCKED in position until it fires and THEN, unless you push the button to allow the action to cycle, you have to cock it to make it fire again on a pump-action.
A firearm has a number of sounds: 1- the mechanical sound of the bolt loading the round into the barrel and the mechanical sound of the bold extracting the spend shell casing. That sound is freaking loud in a room. I used to demo that in class with fake rounds just to show how noisy a weapon is even when never fired. You can use a bolt-action rifle or a revolver to quiet these but it will never be silent. 2- the primer exploding. This is equal to a small firecracker. It is the primer that detonates the gunpower within that cartridge. You can cover that part of the weapon with sound-absorbing foam to muffle that explosion. 3- the gunpowder detonating. This is a loud explosion of power sufficient to send a piece of lead faster than the speed of sound. You can cover that part of the weapon with maybe 3" of sound-absorbing foam to muffle that explosion. But probably not. 4- the round exiting the barrel at mach 1+. The bullet is going faster than any jetliner and most fighter jets. It is breaking the sound barrier. It is this sound that a suppressor is trying to stop. It does so by making the bullet pass through a row of rubber washers that slow the bullet to below the speed of sound. (I am being overly simplistic here). So, a suppressor can slow the bullet to below the sound barrier and take away that huge explosion, it cannot quiet the bolt loading and ejecting the round, it cannot stop the pop of the primer and it cannot stop the sound of the shell exploding in the chamber. And shoving a pillow over the barrel does nothing but bury feathers or foam into the entry wound of the victim.. Better wrap the pillow around the working parts to muffle those sounds. maybe.
Another movie trope that I find annoying is characters "working the action" pointlessly to make a point. IF they can do that while there is a cartridge or shell in the chamber, they manage to do is eject a live round or skip a live round in the case of a revolver. In the case of older firearms, they leave the hammer down, thus being unable to fire it. Another pesky trope is that all firearms make a clicking sound when empty, often multiple clicking sounds. While possible with some firearms, it wouldn't even be the majority of them that would do this.
They make this into a gag in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In one episode, Buffy is being hunted through the woods without any weapons. She steals one of the hunters' pump-action rifles to help defend herself, which she keeps cocking dramatically for emphasis. ...This bites her in the ass when she very quickly runs out of ammo.
0:08 'Distant future'? Sir, Star Wars took place A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far, far away. It's literally written with big letters in tbe first few seconds of the movie. Tisk-tisk.
Was watching a 1950's Audie Murphy western a bit ago.( Love those older movies.) Audie and some guys were fighting Indians and I saw him as well as others taking cover to reload their rifles. Their guns did not have endless bullets. Tom Hanks and his fellows in Saving Private Ryan were reloading their guns on the beach. In short, Hollywood can make it look more real if they want to. I could care less about the action. Just make it look real. That's what I love about any movie.
There is one thing that is far worse than the infinite ammo, it when some CGI person animates not just the bullet but the whole cartridge coming out of the gun! I saw this recently on a not very good Netflix Anime.
Yeah except for the part that it's in A DIFFERENT GALAXY. Which implies that they had that futuristic technology a long time ago. It's not set in this galaxy or has anything to do with earth. So it isn't our distant future
Another thing you didn’t mention I thought I would add is duel wielding. While it can be done in real life it’s much harder to shot both guns and be accurate at the same time in real life then in movies
True. And most cases of gunslingers being equipped with two pistols comes from the days before the invention of the metallic cartridge. When two pistols were carried it was because reloading a six-shot cap and ball revolver took (at least) several minutes. So, after the 6 shots were expended in the first revolver, the shooter would transition to the second revolver, but not wield them both at the same time for the reasons you mentioned. Once cartridge revolvers became common, the carrying of two revolvers mostly went away since extra cartridges could be carried in loops on the belt instead, and reloading could be done in seconds rather than minutes.
@@Sammael251 In the military, would that even be an option? A soldier normally issued either a rifle alone or a rifle and a pistol. The rifle would be primary and you'd generally only transition to pistol if the rifle had a stoppage or malfunction, ran out of ammo, or perhaps to clear a very tight spot where wielding a long gun would be impractical.
@@skyhawk_4526 when I was in the Canadian Armed Forces (1978/1979) we were only issued one weapon at a time. But in combat, that doesn't stop you from picking up a weapon dropped by someone else.
The lack of sparks from copper has less to do with the lack of hardness but instead because of copper's lower friction coefficient compared to, say, steel. Tools made from very hard copper alloys such as aluminum bronze or beryllium copper are used instead of steel in hazardous environments because they are far less likely to create sparks to cause fires or explosions!
@@disturbedlife5691 *had to look up «EOD», makes sense* Probably not quite as «hard» as typical blade steel, but «hardness» is not really the most important property for such applications but rather tensile strength, where the best bronzes (copper alloys) can equal the best steels. Remember that cast iron is much «harder» than any steel, but basically useless for tools!
11:03 i fired a .22 pistol with a suppressor in a garage and all i could hear was the slide chambering the following round. it really depends on the baffling inside the case & type of gun it's attached to. and yes guns are loud and you want to be able to hear your surroundings while firing so they're good to have.
Im pretty sure this only applies to modern police cars, but modern police cars often do feature NIJ level 3 armor plating in the front doors so they can be hidden behind, i used to own a retired 2013 ford explorer police car, it was a pile of garbage, but the front doors were considerably heavier than the back ones
I was going to say something like that. A "proper" LEO car _should_ have an armor plate inside the door. BUT there are literally millions of production model cars rolling around as police cars. (they're cheaper than dedicated LEO fleet models.)
@@Theomite National Institute of Justice. They rate armor for ballistic protection. NIJ level IIIA will stop up to 44 magnum. NIJ Level III will stop up to M80 308 winchester ball. NIJ Level IV will stop up to one round of 30-06 black tip AP.
In the Army I learned the difference between "Cover" (will stop a bullet) and "Concealment" (won't stop a bullet, but gets you out of sight). SOMETIMES Hollywood gets this right. The person dives behind concealment (a sofa for example) and crawls away while out of sight, meanwhile, the gunner is trying to hit where they think their target is.
Can confirm the car door thing! I had a work van that was hit overnight during some gang violence in upstate ny. Didn’t know till I went to start the van and it was dead. Climbed out to notice a hole in the door, which led to finding an exit hole on the inside, then a whole in the engine cowl, removed to find a hole in distributor cap, removed to find rotor in the distributor cap shattered. Found a compressed slug on the ground under the van.
Discovery Channel's "MythBusters" also covered this subject like sniper shots and shooting fuel tanks to cause an explosion...the tanks did not explode...
USA's series "Burn Notice" also called BS on the exploding tanks and other Hollywood myths. The show's producer got an ear full from Maime Dade fire Chief for having the main character explain how to make it explode.
@@nistrum385 Seems like a public official first responder had enough time to watch a television show maybe off duty to be fair to criticize "procedures" that were not based in reality, but hey this is Hollywood!
They also covered one we see fairly often in movies, which is someone shooting at a target under water, and the underwater view shows bullets whizzing through the water past and sometimes through the target. In reality, the water causes a sudden deceleration of the bullet that causes it to basically crumble into bits, which then sink harmlessly to the bottom. The bigger the gun and faster the bullet, the more this effect was apparent. (S3E21: Bulletproof Water)
@@GruffyddFO4 An episode of Discovery Channel's "MythBusters" show Jamie H. shooting a Barett .50 Cal into a pool at various angles and as I recall shooting a .50 Cal FMJ at 60 degrees caused the bullet to travel deep in the pool, however I definitely remember when he shot the gun at 15 degrees (a shallow angle) the bullet brokeup and disintegrated..
As a U.S. Veteran, we still use 'squad' weapons like the M-16 and M-249 SAW wespon. The primary job of them is to spray 'suppression fire' in the direction of the enemy, so you can advance forward.
Barrel Heat. That needs to be the title of a movie. And, it should have been covered in depth here... To include glowing hot barrels in need of changing after a battle scene.
I remember that in the early machine gun days they used to use water-cooling tanks to keep the barrels from melting. I've also seen in high-powered drills the use of water-cooling for the same reason. Why aren't there cooling attachments for barrels for extended life/use?
@@Theomite Weight mostly, though thicker profiled, quick-change, and rotary barrel mechanisms are all methods to reduce the impact of heat on accuracy still in use today. The first is more prevalent on service rifles, the second is common with machineguns, while the latter is present on some vehicles and aircraft.
@@Theomiteweight and better materials now. It's just not a necessity in combat anymore. I was only involved in 2 incidents where the mounted 240's, M2's, and GAU's were forgoing bursts and dumping ammo like it was free... which it was, for us lol. Anyway , most of the time they fire in bursts for a set amount of seconds. I assure you it's far easier and lighter to carry 6 extra barrels for the 249 (not really 6, just making a point) than to haul around a few gallons of heavy, sloshing, loud non-potable water - which in a bad spot some dumbass would absolutely drink. Lastly, a squad weapon like the 249 isn't carrying nearly enough ammo to warrant water cooling and the military isn't going to make two wildly different versions of the same weapon for the same branch simply because it might get mounted sometimes. Hell, even mounted and crew served systems don't run that much ammo. We're not piling up in trenches these days.
@@ericalbers4867 Have they ever tried closed-system gaseous coolants like freon or liquid nitrogen? I imagine full auto M60 would get hot enough that even liquid nitrogen would struggle to keep it cool if it went on long enough. These are guesses, mind you. I'm not an engineer.
@@Theomite Didn't the German army in WWII have removable machine gun barrels, which would be screwed off, and a new (cool) barrel was screwed on, just to avoid overheating to avoid barrel deformation?
In military the teams are usually three, at least in the Canadian army. Shooter, spotter and guard. Concetration on a long rang shot means the first two will be completely unaware of what is going on around them. Note also that in movies where a rifle has no suppressor, they usually take of the flash suppressor off to give a bigger flash. If you can get behing the engine block the wheels also can work.
I've noticed in a lot of movies guns that are dropped just go off. The firearm industry is an industry and product liability is a thing. Well there has been much wailing about the fact that firearm manufacturers can't be sued for criminal misuse of their products, they absolutely can be sued for defective products & unsafe product design. If dropping a loaded firearm routinely caused it to go off that gun manufacturer would be sued into bankruptcy.
Chapter 8: guns do not rattle when they are handled. This one drives me nuts when you see people in movies handling a weapon, handing a weapon to someone else, or god forbid, running with a firearm. The sheer amount of noise produced by simply possessing a firearm in a movie is only slightly less than dropping a coffee can filled with ball bearings down a flight of stairs.
In many movies and documentaries, the makers seem to be blackmailed by a foley artist union/mafia. So many sounds are edited in that do not exist in real life or cannot be heard at the distance a scene was filmed.
God, this was egregious in "Downfall," When the Nazi Doctor was driving in the truck and came upon some civilians being taken by the SS, and his right-hand man grabs his MP40, which sounds like it's hollow with a bunch of loose parts rattling around in it or the magazine has no spring.
I suspect someone heard sling fittings rattle against the weapon once and assumed it was the weapon itself and started the trope. And, like using the word "decimated" instead of "devastated", it just kinda spread from there and no one bothered to correct it
@@DerrillGuilbert I heard that the Marine corps actually show that footage to demonstrate good technique of suppressive fire, movement and reloading under fire, particularly focusing on Val Kilmer’s character.
Yeah the gun sounds are real, echoing around the tall buildings. Val Kilmer's reload is perfect, and the two man tactical withdrawal is good. But it still has numerous Hollywood gun myths in it...
As a lifelong gun owner, vet, and an FFL milsurp collector. I notice so many flaws in the way firearms are employed in movies, constantly. So much so that some people have gotten annoyed at my picking it apart during the movie or show. LOL
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My favorite Hollywood gun myth is that you can fire off a bunch of rounds indoors without hearing protection and then easily hear what someone says immediately afterward. Guns are stupidly loud, especially in confined spaces, even with doubled-up hearing protection. All these cops and action heroes in movies would be deaf or crippled by debilitating tinnitus by the time their sequel rolls around :)
Always bring ear pro
Linda Hamilton learned that the hard way during the filming of Terminator 2, when she forgot to wear ear protection for the elevator scene where she had to fire off multiple rounds in an enclosed space. She permanently lost some of her hearing from that.
I know of several police officers that after being in a limited gunfire exchange have wound up losing hearing to a point they are on disability. Yet the actors fire hundreds or thousands of rounds and think nothing of it. It like the 110 lb. women beating up a trained 250 lb. guy. Not so much believable.
My relentless tinnitus agrees
I’d like to quote Tom Hardy from Black Hawk Down… WHAT?!
As a former sniper, I should point out that a sniper's job usually boils down to sitting on a hillside for 48 hours watching an intersection, only to be told that your command gave you the wrong grid coordinates and that you actually need to be watching a different intersection somewhere else.
Everything else he said was pretty spot on, though.
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The problem is movie snipers are not on military missions and like we have real world home snipers in the news all the time. Yes accuracy is reduced and why they often fail but acting like it never happens is disingenuous
that's funny. I can imagine "the most accurate sniper movie of all time" and the audience simply sits there while nothing happens for 90 minutes. Then the call comes in, that they're in the wrong location, and the movie ends. Roll credits.
"Oh man. I felt just like a real sniper!"
These days the most common job of snipers is done with large and small drones (gathering information close to enemy territory).
The war in Russia/Ukraine is showing how fast the battlefield is changing and why we're seeing some early 1900s scenes reemerging like tanks with mattresses to 'bounce off' shells. Mankind is and always be very good in hurting others.
You forgot pissing in your pants because you can't get up
As the owner of a former United States Police Interceptor Utility , I can state, from experience, that many modern police vehicles have extra protection against bullets in the front doors, as does the back of the front seats. This can be added as an option at the factory, or as a aftermarket addition at a facility that adds all the gadgets specified by the police department ordering the vehicle. And as an added bonus, if you purchase a used K-9 unit, you receive an obscene amount of dog hair on every centimeter of the vehicles interior.
Extra insulation
Good to know!
Glad I decided to scroll first as I was about to mention this myself!
I used to know a guy who had a business armoring cars and SUVs. He used a combination of kevlar cloth and thin gauge sheet metal. His cars were only intended to protect against handgun rounds.
Cough cough...Cybertruck.
Two of my biggest:
1. Guns that make clicking or scratching noises when a character draws, reholsters or otherwise aims or manipulates it.
2. Characters constantly racking a shotgun or slide to show they are "ready for action". Not only does this imply they carry all their guns around on an empty chamber, but I've seen some characters do it so many times before actually firing it, in reality they'd have ejected all their ammo by that time.
EXACTLY!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Of all the movies to get the pump action shotgun right, it was Police Academy. A character has a negligent discharge after racking the shotgun, then sweeps all the cadets. Tackleberry, the gun enthusiast, doesn't take cover, because he knows the chamber in empty.
"I got 57 more goddamn rounds in this four round magazine." *Racks shotgun*
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To be fair, it was a five-round magazine.
Part of #1 is the multiple clicking of the hammer when the gun clearly is single action and not double action
Any gamer will tell you a barrel will only explode if it’s red.
Correct!
And they'd be wrong.
For sure. Just like yellow paint on a ledge means it's climbable.
@@Skoora lol.
@@MakerInMotion Exactly.
I've recently rewatched "The Terminator" when I noticed something: It evades some of those gun myths, and uses others. Yes, there's people flying backwards, gun exploding cars/gasoline tanks and sparks aplenty. But then there's the Tech Noir shootout where the amount of ammo is PERFECT. Pointedly so. Arnie fires 30 rounds (or thereabouts) from his Uzi, and then reloads. Reese fires five or six rounds from his pump-action, and reloads. And the movie really makes you aware of it, like the way Arnie reloads while Sarah cowers in fear.
The movie came out in 1984. All those myths were established 'film truths' back then. But there's a strange effect that if the filmmakers just do one of the myths truthfully, they heighten the 'realism' tremendously, while keeping the emotion-grabbing effect of the other myths.
Good point, but goddamn how much coffee do you drink? 😂 Very perceptive, thanks for your insight, never thought about it like that before
@@ProbablyNotLegitsome of us have familiarity with firearms will notice immediately when a gun that has a standard magazine of 20-30 rounds goes full auto for 30 seconds...that would be closer to 350 bullets fired if a M4 Carbine conservative cycle rate. so 12 magazine changes to put that amount of lead down range
@MartinBeer... EXCELLENT observation. 💪😎✌️ Cameron's attention to *all* of the details really set him apart from other filmmakers. It's also no wonder that "The Abyss" ended up being so bloody dangerous yet also one of the most incredible stories and perfect usages of EFX on celluoid.
The first terminator film is less of an action film and more of a sci-fi thriller and in that genre reloads are often used for dramatic effect. Look at the way Arnie reloads compared to Reese reloads. Arnie's is methodical and machine like versus Reeses panicked fumbling. A great way to highlight the character difference between Arnie's cyborg killing machine and Reese's frightened human.
Even the TV series addressed one of these myths! A character in the first episode ducks behind an armchair when a terminator is firing and is fine. You think it's the "concealment equals cover" trope, but it's revealed later that the armchair had been stuffed with Kevlar for just such an occasion!
One of my favorite movie myths is the bullet proof tables. That and drywall.
What? Drywall is full of stone, right?
Hee.
Actually now there is bullet resistant drywall… no joke. A few chain hotels are using lexan impregnated drywall to keep drywall from breaking as quick Still using an IKEA coffee table would thin the herd a bit …
bulletproof drywall and couches.
@@scotrick3072 well, it's sheetROCK. Or something.
Yeah, oh crap! Gotta replace my bulletproof toilet paper roll.
It's the stupidity gambit, if he can't see you, his bullet can't reach you. Sort of like, the tiger is hunting you, so wearing a blindfold is like wearing armor, since if you can't see it, it can't see you.
depends on the table's construction a pool table MIght protect you from certain smaller rounds
I was in the Army in the late 80's and went through a mortar training course. the first thing the instructor said was, "Can anyone tell me what sound a mortar makes when fired ?" A few guys made a sound like THUMP. He already had a mortar set up with a round ready to go. We were about 30 feet behind it. He picked up the round and dropped it down the muzzle and quickly put his hands over his ears. BANG !!!! By far the loudest thing any of us had heard in our lives. He said, "If you were standing next to it without hearing protection it would make your ears bleed." A couple of years later I was firing a 4.2 inch mortar and I didn't have ear plugs in because I had to keep getting instructions for adjusting the orientation of the tube as we were doing a comprehensive fire mission. I would drop the round and quickly start walking away and cover my ears. One time right when I dropped the round somebody yelled my name and it distracted me just long enough that my hands were still several inches from my ears. It felt like some had poked both of my eardrums with Q-tips at the same time. It was only painful for a few seconds. I was about 10 feet from it when it fired, if I had been next to it I have no doubt that my ears would have bled. That's a lot different than the THUMP in the movies.
My favorite ridiculous silencer scene was in a John Wick movie where they had silencers fight literally among people who were none the wiser lol.
That's the clip the used...
@@cheekyb71 Among others.. Wasn't trying to say it wasn't here. Just how ridiculous it was.
I mean...you don't forget that scene is the point though. A million movies with silencers, and that's the one that stands out above them all.
@@Theomite 100% that's very true.
There's a video on RUclips where someone edited accurate suppressed gun noise into that scene. With real noise, it looks pretty silly.
There are two other things that get me:
1. Guns are LOUD. It's amazing that you rarely ever see anyone go deaf.
2. Speed of sound. Typically, the bullet would hit before you would even hear the gun, but the majority of the time, they happen simultaneously. Think Saving Private Ryan is the only time I've seen them acknowledge the guy hitting the ground before they even heard the shot.
Corridor Digital did a RUclips Red show several years ago that has an incredible sniper scene. They leaned hard into the realism for it and it really heightened the scene. From a perspective close to the target, you see the muzzle flash, then the bullet impacts, and then you hear the report of the rifle. Very cool cinematography and sound design.
Sorry, I can't remember the name of the show, and I don't even know if it's on their main channel.
I hate that you hear a rattle sound every time someone touches a gun in the movies.
@@aviodenheimer4090 Why? I have guns that rattle as you call it. It's just not as loud as they portray in the movies. Same way with a sword pulled from a leather scabbard. It does make a sound. I have a couple to proof it, but it's almost a whisper, not some shwanggggggg loud sound like in the movies.
@@dwc4343 when we went out on missions it was very important that nothing rattles or makes any sound. If our guns rattled when we moved them then we would be in deep trouble.
Of all things, the TV show Archer was great about this. The main character's severe tinnitus is a running gag.
The "click click click" when a Semi/Full Auto runs out of ammo drives me nuts in movies.
well i mean like, double action
@@alecnolastname4362 what? Do you even KNOW what double action means??
Do you ever find yourself shouting "It's not a revolver!" in those moments?
Are you talking about the one that sound like they've got _three_ firing pins inside and click into an empty chamber the times? Like there's some sort of 3 barreled Gatling gun inside it?
@@ChaotiX1uhhh do you? There are many double action semi auto pistols, that do release a hammer and strike a firing pin even when empty. In fact, nearly every modern pistol manufacture makes at least one model of a double action semi auto pistol.
There are more guns out there than blocks and 1911s .
(Yes, I spelled glock like that on purpose)
As someone who works in a trauma center that sees a lot of gun shot wounds, the thing that bothers be the most is how quickly people in movies die after getting hit by a bullet like they have some sort of off button. It is incredible what I have seen people walk away from.
Hollywood doesn't have the time to let people watch the tedious process of a gunshot victim bleeding out and gurgling their death rattle like happens in real life.
Then again, Hollywood also has popularized the dangerous lie that you can pull the knife out and stab the bad guy back. NEVER PULL THE KNIFE OUT! That knife being inside is the only thing keeping your blood in at that point!
Very true, but the reverse is also true, movies often shown someone shaking off a gunshot like it's nothing. Someone getting gutshot with a high powered round and pulling the bullet out and just going on as if they aren't seriously injured. Or as an example of something I was just watching someone got shot in the hip with a .308 and just winds up limping a little, when in reality the bullet would likely shatter the pelvis. Movies almost never take into account the effect a bullet's hydrostatic shock can have on internal organs and even bone.
@ true true, whatever serves the plot I guess
I get most bothered when the hero takes 3-4 bullets in his torso, the hospital barely saves his life, then the next day he's running around fighting bad guys again.
Well, they *may* walk again, but that doesn't mean they won't have a colostomy bag. Ugh! Belly wounds.
You forgot about the clicking, in movies every gun clicks and makes noise every time it is moved even slightly. Similar to the swords going shiiing! Every time they're moved or sheathed/unsheathed.
There's a special effects industry term for all that extra dramatic noise, but now I can't remember what it was...
yeah, and dot forget about how loud punches and kicks are in movies.
An AR has little to noise when handling but AK's are built a little looser so more noise comes from handling.
@@Sammael251 folley? And I don't mean Axel.
When they aim their Glock and you hear a hammer cock
I'm ex military. 2 of my friends were shot in Afghanistan, One through the leg and one through his arm. My friend that got shot through the arm with a 7.62 didn't even know he had been shot until he tried to operate a weapon. He said in the heat of the contact he thought his radio hand set had hit his arm. He kept the arm but has a steel plate on the bones. My friend that was shot through the leg didn't notice because it happened just as a IED went off and blew him over. He found out when he tried to stand up. He went on to spend 340 days in hospital recovering. He kept his leg and later went on to go to the South Pole with Prince Harry and other wounded warriors
Thank-you and your friends for your service.
that's how it goes
unless you fall down you won't notice until you need to use the limb
God Bless your friends, I am glad they recovered.
Nobody cares
@@raulmedina4100 Yes they do. Only shitty people who say "nobody cares" don't.
You forgot that, no matter where-in Space, Underwater, on a Mountain top. when the Bad Guy gets shot, he is always going to fly backwards through a Plate Glass Window.
Even in a Western?
It's a hassle getting those plate glass windows into space.
If they paid for glass in a scene, it's gonna break eventually.
Well no, that's actually not a myth, though. That actually happens. It's just how it works.
Arnold’s mere presence cancels out all laws of physics
Yeah it looks so cool
Who remembers Last Action Hero where Arnold shot at the car expecting to explode and nothing happened? The little boy reminded his hero that he is not in the movie.
loved that movie
Hugely underrated movie. It seems people didn’t “get it” but I thought it was a really clever parody and loved it.
I need to watch that movie again! I haven’t seen it since I was 11 or 12.
Or the bad guy shouting "hellooo ? I just killed a person. Where is the police?"
Pretty accurate for NY or SF where robbers are more likely armed than their victims
Last Action Hero is a great parody comedy action movie. Arnold Schwarzenegger was a perfect choice because he was such a big action star.
I would note that ‘Heat’ is super correct on shooting, especially reloading needs, so a little unfair to show that GOAT movie.
Andy McNab 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Came here to say this, thank you
ummm, no. Val's character fires for MINUTES on end in full auto, only to reload ONCE! he would have been out of ammo about 8X over by the end of that, or need about 20 magazines.
@@isaned Wrong. He never shoots for more 3-4 seconds (I checked) before the shot cuts to someone else, which when he is reloading. Besides, they are using real Colt Model 733's with blanks. You can't fire more blanks than there are in the magazine.
And I was one of the folks watching, in real time, a group of bank robbers have a very similar showdown with police in N. Hollywood not long after that film came out.
Use of this specific film in this way, yes, felt misleading or at least makes the authority of the OP questionable.
Don't try this at home? Mate, I'm British. How can I?
Under rated comment 😂
Become American
a 3d printer and a mate with cnc machine
I can. I live in a real country.
I too live in Britain.
I also own six guns, legally I might add.
Showing clips of the movie "Heat" in a video like this is wild. That movie is praised as being one of the only realistic depictions of a firefight in a movie.
The reloading in Heat is so good that it has been used in firearms training videos
I laughed so hard at the bullet flying through the whipped cream can and water cooler... that was from a Korn music video
There was a ryan gosling movie that came out a couple years ago called the gray man, and in one scene he throws someone a shotgun and they go to shoot it and it doesn't shoot... they are like "did you throw me an empty gun?" And he says, "yea, you should never throw a loaded gun." So funny because I'm like finally something realistic.
shotguns are inherently not safe to use loaded in transport. Just due to how the locking sear is designed. Not highly likely that it will go off but it does happen. I dont take a chance since 12gauge can destroy just about anything in a house and is messier to fix that accident. Lmao
Great movie
Also shows if somebody gives you a gun you should inspect it to see if there is any ammunition loaded, and if so, what kind, how much, etc.
@@vicerichter1163 Guy blew his own head off and seriously traumatised an unsuspecting woman because he had a shotgun loaded when it needn't have been and didn't handle it properly... he stopped at a farmhouse to ask permission to hunt on their land and rested the stock of the firearm on the door sill. The woman answered the door and apparently he was part way through asking permission when the shotgun butt slipped off the sill, struck the top step, discharged and blew his head off right in front of her... we had that "delightful" little case study told to us as part of our Firearms Safety course prior to getting a firearms licence. The woman "wasn't harmed"... not *_physically_*
You forgot my #1 complaint about Hollywood's depictions of guns. In movies, no matter whether it is a handgun or rifle, they always seem to produce this same bizarre clicking sound anytime somebody touches one, or moves one. My other complaint is how they always have to pull the hammer back by hand when they are "really serious." That's so dumb because if you needed to pull the hammer back to fire (which 99% of guns don't require) then that means you were pointing a gun at somebody that technically couldn't fire in the first place, which seems really stupid.
The clicking sound is an audio cue for the audience, and remember that most movies are made to be understandable to the LOWEST common denominator of people. Iow, if you had a character pull a gun out, and you didn't include the gun click sound, a depressingly high number of audience members will not be aware that said gun is now "in play" and a threat within that scene
In some scenes they do it twice😂😂😂😂
Yes to all that. Or they produce a 1911 or hi-power and at some point cock it for emphasis. Which means (if it will now fire) they were carrying it with one in the chamber and the hammer down (uncocked and unlocked) which is not any of the recommended options for carrying single action automatics.
Try shooting a revolver in double action..
The only feasible explanation for pulling back the hammer to be "really serious" is cocking the hammer on a double/single action pistol, where you want to set the hammer to single-action for a lighter trigger pull. This ignores the fact that a double action trigger pull is still perfectly functional
Whenever movies have people crawling through ventilation systems or the space between the ceiling and floors in offices, it cracks me up because those areas can't support any kind of nominal weight.
And a cleaner than brand new car.
The hell does this have to do with guns?
Ohh wait not... not DIE HARD
And in real life they are dirty, smaller and dark.
I hired a friend of mine to do some welding inside of a large american box store..... send him to the area he needed to do that night and go on about my business. Went to check on him and he was sitting on the air duct welding.... granted he did have his harness tied off but still. I has to explain why it's not like the movies they're not meant to support a human
They also make a heck of a lot of noise as they flex.
10:02: It's funny that Rambo clips were used here. The rules of magazines don't apply quite as hard to belt-fed machine guns like Rambo's M60. Machine guns like that fire from 100-250 round belts, and even allow for the speedy replacement of barrels that have become overheated by sending thousands of rounds in the general direction of a target.
M60 standard rate of fire is 600/minute (give or take 50). Even a 250 belt would only last around 25 seconds of sustained fire, and we regularly see him firing longer than that. On top of that, the recoil makes it very hard to handle in long bursts, with accuracy diminishing over time.
Yeah, there were a few bad choises of clips.
Like guns continue to click when empty, showing Predator and the minigun.
Or sparks flying, when Rambo shooting electrical equipment
The way it’s fired in Rambo would melt the barrel
Im at Army basic training and its range day. I forget my ear-protection but figure I can handle one day of range without ear-pro bc everybody in movies don't need ear-pro. I fire one shot from my M4... PAIN. I fire a second shot... Mind-numbing pain and there's a loud ring in my head that frightens me to death that i may have sudden full-blown tinnitus. Luckily the ring stopped after about 4 hours. Guns are loud as phuq. Two shots caused physical, debilitating suffering. Now its difficult to watch movies without sarcastically asking "Where tf is this guy's ear-pro?!"
Fun fact, kids- there is no cure for tinnitus.
Alot of soldiers suffer from it.
Everybody in the movies doesn't* need ear protection.
I have had tinnitus since 1982.
It doesn't go away, you just get used to it.
You had a temporary threshold shift. Keep it up and it will be permanent.
Yeah, a few shots form a pistol OUTDOORS is tolerable. But even outdoors rifles are BAD without hearing protection. I once had thee opportunity to shoot a registered pre 86 m16. Unfortunately no one had hearing protection. I chose to do it anyway because it was being sold and it was my only chance. Figured i'd dump a mag or 2 just to say i did it. I didn't even make it half way into mag 1 before i noped the fug out. I think MAYBE 8 rounds came out in the first burst and i couldn't hear anything but ringing. Just like in the movies. It didnt "hurt" but it freaked me out. Took a few days to get back to "normal" and i NEVER shot without hearing protection again.
Another detail that is often overlooked is the sheer weight of the ammunition required for 30 seconds of a high caliber machine gun on full auto… 300 rounds of 50 cal would weigh near 100 lbs
Because in video games, you can carry 9999 of "pistol ammo" (fits every pistol), 9999 of "revolver ammo" (fits every revolver), 9999 of rifle ammo (fits every rifle, including 5.56mm, but won't fit an M249 because an "MG needs MG ammo"), and so on. As a nod to reality, you are however allowed to carry only 10 tactical nukes.
I did like the multiplayer Day of Defeat (back in the days before it got nerfed), where a good team would carry shitloads of ammunition to their MG42/MG34 gunner duo.
yes 3 cans of ammo standard 50bmg belted ammo is right around 30 lbs each so 300 rounds 90 lbs and at max cyclic rate of 850 rpm thats only about 21 seconds of fire power
Yeah, the small dumptruck of ammo needed for that Minigun to fire in Predator and T2 was not in the scene. Those things fire 3000rds/min. They fired for well over a minutes and only had a small backpack of ammo. That small amount of ammo(relatively) would be gone in 10 seconds.
@@isaned yes 300 is the basic fire rate with some variants reaching up to 6000 per minutes and the smaller version in 5.56x45 was in theory up to 10,000 rounds per minute but tests and ussage never exceeded 4000. and was able to do 3 or 1500 burst and came in at 85 lbs wth 1000 round of ammon in a feed drum but the 5.56 never made it it the use it was projected to be used for and the system was dropped in the 90's
@@klausstock8020 Still not as bad as most medieval games, where you're carrying around hundreds of breastplates, greaves, shields, swords, axes, hammers and helmets.
Another is the myth of instant kills. Yes, head shots can kill instantly, but most of the time, most people don't even realize they've been shot and keep going from adrenaline. This is why people in real life, i.e. cops empty their guns into a moving target because that target is still capable of doing you harm.
This is particularly true for handguns. Rifles often do get 1 shot "instant" kills in real life (particularly, the "full-sized" rifle cartridges, like .308).
@@alexsawickii think its called hydro static shock, happens with realy fast bullets
and here's me thinking cops just did it for sport
All these series tell me is that there is nothing cool in real life.
@@JohnSyzlack cool is only for anime school
In films bullets travel very slowly, the hero hears the gunshot then dives behind a flimsy sofa thus avoiding being hit. Sofa are excellent for not letting bullets through.
Don't confuse concealment for cover. One protects you from being seen the other protects you from being shot.
I was coming here to say the same but you beat me to it.
Also subsonic vs supersonic rounds with suppressors is a HUGE difference
As demonstrated by Mr blackstraw in the UK public information film "how not to be seen". Tip, if they ask u to stand up, don't 😉
In the UK we were taught there is cover from view and cover from fire. And the difference.
@@jordanliszewski6549other details about suppressors, that video games in particular not only stretch the truth about but outright tell lies about:
A suppressor functionally extends the length of the barrel. The barrel length determines how much powder burn occurs before the projectile leaves the barrel once the round is fired. Thus, when firing a suppressed weapon, one will have more powder burn and pressure created prior to the round leaving the barrel, meaning that the round will travel faster/farther and have a flatter trajectory than it otherwise would, and ostensibly cause more potential damage to the target as a result of the physics involved.
Now, I understand why video games choose to have suppressors create the opposite effect on fired rounds, as having them perform as they would in real life would make the weapons being used so overpowered that they would be considered massively OP in a multi-player environment, but given how they're very rare to possess for reasons I won't get into here, most people's experience with them is through movies and video games. Due to this, most people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what suppressors are actually capable of and what their real effect on ballistics is.
The biggest gun myth I ever heard was in Die Hard 2. Bruce Willis says, "You know what that is, it's a Glock 7 made in Germany, it is ceramic and can't be detected by your X-ray machines."
"and it costs more than you make in a month" lol
Bruce Willis supposedly argued against that line saying it was BS and the director wouldn't listen and kept it in. Def the dumbest movie line about Glocks ever haha
This gun myth was most likely the least stupid thing about that movie. Please, a trail of burning kerosene catching up with a plane that takes off at a speed of almost 200 mph and seconds later explodes mid-air into a huge fireball without any debris falling from the sky. Seriously, WTF?!
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Ya mean that’s not realistic? 😆
Medical X-rays are obviously fake. Your bones aren't made of metal, so X-rays can't detect them.
however it was a very popular belief in the 80s before ceramic guns became so common. total crap i know but ive seen it stated in novels of the period tv shows and even on a couple of bbc documentaries about terrorism . it was a bit like in westerns especially on tv in the 50s and 60s when the cowhands would take a dip in the waterhole and rustlers would steal the herd . they jump out and fire but their guns click because the bullets are wet! was true in cap and ball days but unlikely with the peacemakers used in most shows.
So you mean to tell me a 9mm will NOT blow the lungs 🫁 out of my body.
Well, not all at once.
It'll get there eventually.
Of course not! Nearly all democrat anti-gun rhetoric is based on myth and solely relies on an emotional response rather than any facts.
The exact same reason switchblades and brass knuckles are based in many states: hollywood misrepresentation, public panic, politicians exploit panic to strip away rights, repeat.
@@Stop_Gooning after maybe...12 mags
Nope, they're safe! 👍
@@shock226 that's only like 4 'stendos
Regarding decibels, they don't double every 10db, it doubles every 3db. +10db is tenfold.
Exactly.
I'm a firearms instructor/salesman and I think you did a great job of explaining all these myths about guns that even customers of mine believe. Sure, there are other things that movies do, but maybe that could be in a part 2. Great job, again.
In part 2, please explain: a) firing at 30m targets without aiming, e.g. from the hip; b) holding one high powered gun in each hand gun and firing them side by side like semi-automatics.
If they belive it, maybe consider not selling them a gun?
@@SickFreakx As an employee, it's my job to clarify things to them.
@@serialclone yeah i get that 😁 as y a RUclips troll its my job to make jokes from serious statements 🤣 but seriously good luck in your career,but sometimes,just fór thé common good,consider not selling 🤣
my favourite scene of Hollywood getting it right in terms of cover was from the first episode of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. When attacked in her new home Sarah takes cover behind a chair that stops bullets. In a later scene when the police are investigating someone says "There's kevlar in that chair." Sarah had set up her home in preparation of being attacked and had put armour inside the furniture to make it into effective cover. Finally, Hollywood got it right.
One other example of Hollywood getting it right was Death Wish 2, at least for one scene. One of the bad guys tried to use a boom box to cover his face while he ran in an open space. Charles Bronson shot the guy in the head, the boombox not even doing anything to actually protect the guys face.
Except the fact that most high powered rifle rounds, ie EVERY "assault rifle" caliber, will go through the best kevlar without an issue. Not to mention the money spent and the expertise needed to do all of it effectively would be immense
Kevlar is knife resistant, not bulletproof. Even then, Kevlar has to undergo immense amounts of tempering to make it knife resistant.
@@FIATEARTHER101 , also if Kevlar were bulletproof the structure under it would collapse immediately.
@@NYAxeMaster2010Sarah had litterly survived one terminator already, rember the armory in 2, that’s was kinda the point she did spend years preparing becase she was scared shitliss
Jon even commented getting in the movie how he never settled down and get moving from school to school while she kept fighting two boyfriends and trying to teach him to survive off the grid. She was paranoid to the ninth degree.
The one that always gets me is the idea that bullets stop as soon as they hit someone. Again and again someone gets shot, blood splatters what's behind him, but the bullet disappears before it hits the surface. I've seen this multiple times inside a car, where blood from a head shot splatters the window behind the head, but the window doesn't break.
Or when multiple bullets shatter a car's rear window but then magically cease to exist.
@@oildalejones567 Not one of them manage to hit the people that are suddenly visible once the window gets demolished.
@@oildalejones567 I like in the Matrix where Neo is blasting away at an agent who is dodging left and right to avoid the bullets completely but the glass-fronted skyscraper 100 yards away gets nothing. And of course I like in the scene where they have the shootout on the ground floor of the building Morpheus is in and a squad of SWAT is firing at Neo & Trinity and they do cartwheels, which alternates where your arms and legs are but center of mass stays in exactly the same spot as you move along.
And bonus for the last SWAT guy to be killed dropping his M-16 and the flash suppressor bends as it hits the ground as if the rifle was made of rubber.
Movies also ignore how hot a gun barrel gets after a few rapid shots, burnt my fingers more than once reloading my shotgun and accidentally touching the barrel.
11:30 Suppressors do reduce volume a lot, but using subsonic ammo goes a long way as well. With light loads and a hefty suppressor, some firearms can be so quiet that the mechanical action of the gun becomes louder than the actual gunshot. Of course, that would sound like a loud mechanical, metallic clacking sound, not the whisper-quiet _pew_ that Hollywood so loves.
Which bolt-actions and single shot guns don't have. It also depends on the type and size of suppressor. If it has "wipes" and baffles, you absolutely can get it wisper quite (see: the Welrod).
Covert weapons may come with a slide lock.
People on RUclips are doing good work with "movie quiet" up to .308. It's hard to tell, because "microphones."
In Terminator 2, when the T1000 and Sarah Connor unloaded with their pistols, the discharge seemed suppressed. Weird in a closed space, it should have been ear-splitting. But I thought that muted effect was very cool. Of course this is James Cameron we're talking about, the King of Kool gun sound-effects. Pulse-rifles much?
Things that should never go together, .22 cal, sub sonic ammo, 2 liter bottle, duct tape.
And it doesn't work at all with revolvers.
"I know what you're thinking, punk...Did he fire 173 times, or 174..."
--Scene from Loaded Weapon
That movie really doesn't get the love it deserves
You didn’t cover the fact that bullets really won’t travel far through water.
That's an excellent display of physics bein' physics, too. 😁 I actually love the fact that if you WERE being shot at and there indeed existed a decent body of water, you'd stand a better chance diving in than being out in the open. But... of course... there's the whole "when are ya gonna SURFACE" issue! 😂
Yeah, the Mythbusters tested that. Often, the bigger the gun, the less they penetrated (stuff like 50 cal rifles just push the round way too fast). The best case is a large, heavy bullet/slug traveling very slowly (for a gun). But even then, penetration isn't great.
The new hydrophobic bullets have a somewhat easier time in water.
@@Roonasaur
1: they arent new, and
2: they arent even bullets, They're bolts
the drag in water is much higher due to water tension and well water, so highly depends on the bullet shape size and design.
You forgot about those films where even trained soldiers never aim down the sights and always fire from the hip
That seems to have gone by the wayside, but it was really bad in the 20th century.
The irony of showing the Heat clip while saying "directors don't show reloads".
I was thinking the same thing they did show reloads lol
Too bad that "directors don't show reloads" isn't what he said. Lol
@@mattk6101 Correct me
Did you know that shootout in front of the bank was completely real, by that I mean filmed on location,..L.A. I believe, with full load blanks and what you're hearing while watching it was recorded as it was filmed. That scene alone was a third of the budget with shutting the entire area down, insurance, permits,..etc. Just an interesting piece of movie trivia in my opinion.
@@michaelfox2433 And that Val Kilmers mag change is used as a textbook example
As an American, I enjoy the fact that the silencer came before the muffler.
Yeah sure just like that catalytic converter came before the old
muffler
Suppressor* Ain't no such thing as a silencer. They shift the frequency of the supersonic shock wave back down to make it less loud seeming and so it'd also absorb some of the sound.
@chrisbutler1668 true that it's not that amazing, but I did type enjoy. Bit of a difference there
Of course it did. The gun came before the car. Silencers were invented to prevent hearing damage.
When did they invent the LOUDENER then?
As a cutlery fanatic I hate how swords and knives make a SHING sound when they're just moved through the air, or even just held up menacingly. They especially do this in trailers and commercials.
Ain’t real if it don’t SHING
This is a thing across all movies, east and west, east are more guilty of it
The shing isn't supposed to be an actual thing the sword is doing, it's just an audio cue to remind audiences that the sword is sharp and it's movements are dangerous. It's not meant to be taken as "this sword is making these sounds when swung." If the audio que happens with a stationary sword, it's to show the audience that's it's of high quality, and possibly to mimic the sensation of being blinded by a reflection from the well-polished blade even if they can't get a good shot of the reflection. It seems silly, but these conventions are used for a reason, and its to try and show the audience something.
...and all The Scream movies.
@@itsdabees The audience isn't so stupid as to forget that a blade is sharp. It's insulting when movies do this.
1:18 those are casks of beer, mate 😂
I can personally attest that Hollywood gets everything wrong about air traffic control as well
I never understood why in Diehard 2 everyone wasn't rerouted to other airports. And then my uncle told me that airports are responsible only for take off and landings and that regional FAA stations keep everyone coordinated to and from their destination.
I'm pretty sure Hollywood gets pretty much everything wrong about pretty much everything. I imagine they even get everything wrong about Hollywood...
And about computers and hacking. There's no animated rotating shit or flying code on the screen and people are not typing like crazy.
(I watched Mr. Robot for a while, that got it right. Unfortunately the rest of it was boring.)
Pishtosh. Next you;ll be telling us that Airplane! wasn't a documentary. Surely you jest.
@@thomasmacdiarmid8251 He jests not. And don't call him Shirley.
Another one is weight of guns. I picked up a Tommy Gun in a museum once. It was bloody heavy. The fatigue of carrying guns, plus all that ammo (hint lead is a dense metal) is never depicted in Hollywood.
It's like they're all carrying empty plastic water-pistols.
I agree...i also picked up a Tommy gun at a Gun Show...it weighed a ton!
Most common rifles are ~3-4 kg (~6-8 lbs). Not a lot of weight to lift but the weight is concentrated away from the body making it very tiring to hold for extended periods of time.
Fun fact: the G36 is light. It weighs about the same as a Uzi, which is made almost entirely of metal.
I agree, a rifle 7.62 with full mag is abit heavy, GPMG's with link ammo, while a nice weapon is a bloody heavy bitch!.
That hammer cocking sound when a striker fired pistol is presented in the hand.
Or the "take the safety off" on a glock.
Yeah, that drives me nuts. Firearms don't go "click click" every time you look at it or pick it up. It's not a living thing like a rattlesnake . It's a hunk of metal.
@@johngriffith6692I suppose something like a dust cover or a strap could make a sound when the gun is handled, but you’re right. The constant clinking is really annoying once you notice it.
It's good to see an intellectual who actually knows what they are talking about.
Reading from a script pal.
You forgot the one about how every good guy never misses, (even when they are holding the gun sideways and not even looking at the target) and every bad guy cant hit anything (even if they have a shotgun and are only 20 feet away from the good guy)
For reference, see the Rambo scene in UHF.
Don't forget the specialty guns in Hollywood. The Hero's Gun that only shoots the bad guy's hand. Even when fired at 2 feet and pointed elsewhere it will hit only the hand. The Farmer's Wife Rifle that, when pointed straight up into the air and fired, will hit an Indian on a fast horse, 500 yards away. I think there was also a Bad Guy's Pistol that would always miss even a pointblank range.
Oww, you spoiled just every episode of A-team.
Every Stormtrooper in Star Wars.
THIS!
Learning the son of Hiram Maxim made the silencer to prevent deafness from gunfire is like learning why the earl of Sandwich made a easy to hold meal. The cool thing came from someone going "Well, that's inconvenient. How do we fix that?"
No it isn't, that's a nonsense comparison.
Suppressors were made to be nice to your neighbor and not for assassins. That’s Hollywood. Nothing but lies.
Earl of Sandwich didn't make the sandwich. Watch QI. Brit comedy panel show. Will blow your mind how much you think you know isn't real. Plus, funny.
@@samuelgarrod8327 wrong
You shouldn't compare hearing loss to an "inconvenience". Think of what deaf people would feel if they heard you say - oh wait
Is everyone forgetting that Arnold is NOT a "regular human" when he is shooting the M134? He is a solid AF "killing..uhhh PROTECTING machine" and could therefore shoot a M134...
Agree...but Blaine (Jesse Ventura) is a human...but a HUGE human. The M 134 was taken off duty bec its too unpractical.
And the commentary on Full auto weapons humorously featured rambo wielding a belt fed M249. Which can definitely carry enough ammunition to do the Rambo thing
@@lonecolamarine Rambo is using an M-60. Those belts are maybe 100 or 200 rounds which it will chew through in about 30 or so seconds.
@@drhkleinert8241 M134s are still very much in use mounted on helicopters and other vehicles. They've never been individual weapons because humans can barely carry them with power and ammunition, let alone remain standing while firing 4000 rounds per minute. The actors in Predator fired blanks from the gun at a very reduced rate of fire while not carrying batteries.
@@JonathanRossRogers The Minigun used in T2 was down-rated to 2000 rounds per minute so you could see the spinning barrels better. I swear I've seen footage of James Cameron firing it in "making of" specials but I can't find the clip.
the worst is silencers
I've seen civs go to shooting ranges with silencers on and complain when they can hear more than a pew sound. It's sad.
I still think Maxim inventing the suppressor to keep people from losing their hearing like his father did is unusually wholesome given the subject of firearm technology.
Shoutout to "Black Hawk Down" for one soldier actually going deaf from his buddie´s machine gun.
Also, Hawkeye's hearing loss in his Marvel TV series. He may be an archer, but he's experienced enough firefights, explosions and head trauma to permanently damage his hearing.
Possibly one of the more realistic details in the MCU.
@@Amaritudinealso being run over by a snow plow. Real life super hero
Also the RPG not arming from being shot too close.
HUH!!!???
Isn't that movie a retelling of actual events?
Hollywood taught me that guns have unlimited bullets. The Lord of the Rings movies taught me that elves have unlimited arrows.
Elves actually secrete arrows out of their backs. Now you know!
@@Robert-ju6ub I thought that was just porcupines.
quiver is enchanted, don't know if they mention it in the movie
@@shawntapley6733 I don't remember that being specifically mentioned in the films, but having enchanted quivers would make sense.
(edit: word form correction)
And rockets have unlimited fuel.
The one thing that bothers me the most that's not mentioned here is that guns make a sound when you aim them at people. If your firearm rattles when you move it around, there is a BIG problem!
That rattling is a safety feature. Blank rounds rattle so that you can be absolutely sure that you aren't loading up a real round.
@@NemoBlank While you're absolutely right, almost all sound effects are added in post; the mic isn't picking up anything but the speech on-set for the most part. If it's something like someone slamming their hand on a table with a bunch of stuff on it, and it actually mattered what that stuff sounds like if it gets rattled on said table, then yeah, they'd record it directly, but odds-on it would be a highly directional mic pointed straight at the table, and it would get composited into the scene later so it doesn't drown out any dialogue or other important sounds.
That said, I learned what I know about foley (creating sound effects) from a game audio design class and watching channels like Corridor Digital, so grain of salt.
@@NemoBlank False. That rattling sound WE hear is added in post. It's part of a collection of overused Hollywood stock sounds, like "the Diddy Laugh" or the hawk screech (usually used for egals) in westerns.
@@TheButtaSauce You're probably right. It does sound like badly made movie blanks rattling though. A six shooter sounds like a maraca if the blanks are done with birdshot instead of beads. I have some souvenir blank .44's from a terrible old cowboy pic that a relative was in and know the sound. Maybe low budget spaghetti westerns picked up the sound back in the day and later editors thought it cool or didn't understand that it wasn't realistic and aped it into their audio track.
@@NemoBlank this isn't entirely accurate, your not gonna man handle a gun loaded with blanks to insure your firing blanks. actors and on set professionals are to treat every firearm as if its loaded with live ammo and this is basic firearm training 101 even when the firearm isn't loaded (charged). don't get me wrong there has been mistakes on film sets due to the failure of proper safety checks by the actor and professional safety firearm handler on set that caused certain death. and blanks don't necessarily rattle either as the casing is still the accurate size despite it being a blank. a firearm of that calibre can't feed the cartridge if its not accurately sized. the case is what fills the magazine not the bullet.
HEAT must be one of the most realistic gun battle scenes out of any movie
yea the way those rifle bullets shredded the car doors on exiting taking out the cop behind them
The sniper battle scene from The Hurt Locker was really well done, the spotter is feeding the shooter juice boxes while everybody else complains about being bored.
Not very realistic. How does a person trained in ordnance suddenly become a sniper or the support team?
@@dennis2376 you're totally right, Army Rangers only ever train in one thing each. They got a knife guy, a gun guy, a bomb guy ... One of each
Lol and don't forget the Juice box guy, my dude. @@Stop_Gooning
@@Dubtee how could I? Lmao
He is forgetting that refrigerators can clearly save you from a nuclear blast!😂
Those old refrigerators from the 40s and 50s could. You'd know that if you ever had to move one.
What's that got to do with guns?
Was waiting for that one.
@@1pcfred Lead lined
That's from the same series as a guy with a whip beating the Nazis for like 3 different times decades apart
You forgot the old and tired cliché of a gun going "click" when out of ammo, especially pistols. Most handguns have the slide lock back on empty mag, visually showing that you're out of ammo, but in movies, their gun goes "click" and they were oblivious to the fact they have an empty gun.
I have had a few pistols that just go click. The slide stop was in name only. Knowing that, you keep a round count in your head.
To be fair, the character could have just been riding the slide stop, causing it to not lock back
Yeah but it's like
Why even put in the effort to do that?
You could just have the person pull out the mag and it's a simple box with a decimal on the side
I think the "click" of an empty gun in the movies is a bit of acceptable artistic license. It quickly tells the audience that the weapon is empty, conveying that "uh, oh, he's in trouble" (if he's the hero), or "oh boy, now he's going to get it!) if he's the bad guy.
Dude, EVERY part of this was spot on. You identified every issue with gun characteristics in movies. Every time a new topic was brought up, I immediately knew what you were going to say about it. Bravo 👏
Excellent video! I'm a competitive shooter and I find most scenes with firearms laughable. You mentioned suppressors and you were spot on. While suppressors greatly reduce the report of the gun, you still need to wear adequate hearing protection if you plan on shooting many rounds. Speaking of hearing protection, the other thing that happens in movies is people talking after they have fired guns indoors and actually hearing each other. A pistol fired indoors is VERY loud and you will experience very loud ringing in your ears that leave you unable to hear anything for a few seconds to minutes. If you fire a rifle or shotgun in a confined space, it's even worse. I have made the mistake of forgetting my hearing protection and it's not one you make again. That first shot leaves your ears ringing really badly.
For anyone who's played combat games, you're familiar with a "flash bang" grenade. That's basically what a firearm is fired indoors. It's insanely loud. Even with proper hearing protection, so rifles can still be too loud. When I shoot at the range if someone is firing a large caliber rifle I will double up my hearing protection using foam earplugs with muffs over them. But you still have to deal with the blast that shakes your whole body.
Yes, in New Zealand we have many stupid gun laws, like being able to shoot a rifle on your own property, but not a pistol, that has to be on a range, but at least we can buy suppressors over the counter.
I have a suppressed 10/22, and with CCI subsonics it's quiet enough that you can hear the hammer fall.
I did once fire it without subsonics and that sonic boom is pretty loud.
Nope. Try an .22lr with subsonic ammo and a suppressor on it. Sounds like a fly swatter hitting a kitchen counter.
The fun of an indoor range and you choose to be next to the guy firing a .22. Then as you get ready to fire your first shot you find that he has switched to a .44 magnum!
One of the main reasons to hide behind something is to obstruct the person's view of you.
:chuckles in memory: An old friend of mine, who was an ex-soldier, always used to fire off "Concealment is not cover" in our table-top gaming whenever someone tried to use some inappropriate environmental object to hide behind :D
Roll for the effects of luck?
But if the thing you are hiding behind (such as a car door) provides about as much protection as a napkin, there's still no point.
@@captainspaulding5963 a car door maybe not because they can see below it and still know where you are but unless you are facing a storm trooper I'd rather they have to guess at where I am.
@@captainspaulding5963 false. Cover is better than concealment, but anything that breaks your opponent's sight of you is still better than nothing...unless he/she straight up knows where you are. Then you're boned.
The one that always gets to me is that guns in movies make random clanging noises anytime you move them
True. The way I seen that noise make is from a sling.
Same with swords
Every time they raise the gun up to a target you hear the sound of the weapon being charged but no one is charging their weapons...
Or that shick shick reloading sound in some older movies (Stargate being the worst offender)
It’s because sound helps convey information and emotion. It’s silly but it makes for more enjoyable viewing in most cases. Until they overdo it.
You mean the exploding barrels in Doom are unlikely? You just ruined my *ENTIRE* childhood! 😭😭😭
Most shocking part of this video "The average north American weighs 80kg"
Flew right over my head. I'm a 78kg American. I tend to forget what I see at Wal Mart (For my own mental health).
Average weight ... most men are over 200 pounds. Muscular men are 225-250
@@TruckerIceBox 225 lbs of muscle is a human giant
@@seijunsejuki well why do you think no one f with us?
The average North American child does. It’s all of the sugar water and Dino nuggets.
As a gun guy, I very much appreciate the bit about suppressors. In the US they're heavily regulated by the NFA for reasons that can only equate to a poor understanding of how they work and their purpose. As a result, it's extremely difficult to access an extremely valuable piece of hearing protection.
The approval times are definitely better than they've been in the past. I'm currently in the last few weeks of a four month electronic Form 4 approval wait time; if I'd filed a paper version, it would have only taken several days, but I created an NFA trust through Silencer Central as part of this and the electronic method was the simplest way to go about it.
It's ridiculous the way suppressors are regulated. They are very rarely used in crimes because it's difficult to conceal a handgun with a suppressor screwed on to it, never mind a long gun. Rifles are hardly ever used in crimes with the exception of Las Vegas type mass murder, but that's a whole other topic.
@@DeshMeisterI'm from the UK and completely agree. Just about the only long term health impact of shooting as a hobby is hearing damage. On that basis, if anything, suppressors should be mandatory.
here in new zealand almost every rifle has a suppressor, anyone who shoots without one is considered a bit old school...
@@RighteousJ I E-failed my form 4 as an individual and it was approved within three business days.
Misconception about modern silencers: While Simon was mostly correct, modern subsonic rifle calibers such as 300 blackout or 6.5 Creedmoor along with a rifle designed for suppressed operation can dip below 90 decibels and do not make a sonic crack.
Or if you use subsonic ammunition
True but you likely sacrifice range and penetration power for that.
Even a bolt action suppressed 22LR is over 100db. Where have you seen a firearm documented to be in the 80 decibel range?
@PrestonJMoore there is a custom made pistol used by British Special ops that was that low, at least for the first 2 shots.
@@PrestonJMoore MP5SD specifically design with an integral suppressor has an approximate 70db signature.
In regards to suppressors, it should be noted they can be “pew pew” quiet IF you use subsonic ammunition. My friend has a suppressed bolt action rifle chambered in 5.56 that he nicknamed “Hollywood” because when you fire it, it’s “Hollywood quiet”. And it really is, chambering the round and the bullet impacting the steel plate target is actually louder than shooter it. BUT it’s because he uses subsonic ammo with it, otherwise you’d get the supersonic crack you mentioned.
I always loved when people learn in the army that grenades don't explode into huge fireballs
So true. In basic, I was so pumped when we started grenade training until I saw what they actually did. They make a decent little dust cloud, but that’s about it.
@@heathermillsphantomlimb9314 I like the shockwave bubble when you see them from a safe spot
add some fosfor and it might _start_ fires
Same with most all explosives.... but at the same time a real grenade is WAY WAY more deadly. In movies if it's 5 feet away, just duck behind a thin wood table and you're safe. Meanwhile in real life there wouldn't be a table any more, and you'd be mincemeat.
Artillery is even worse. The hero can just run out in the open through the middle of a barrage, and come out just fine.
@@nagranoth_ we used to put incendiary grenades on top of weapon caches and engine blocks of cars to disable the vehicles
THANK YOU !!!. These are my biggest pet peeves about guns in movies or tv shows. Even more annoying is when they have been walking around for 10 min looking for the bad guy, then they made some stupid statement and move the slide back to chamber a round. So you have been walking around for 10 min with an empty gun? Or did you just waste a bullet for no reason? uggg
Or worse, they cock the shotgun 10 times before firing a shell. Dude, you just ejected all your ammo, and after you cock the shotgun, it's LOCKED in position until it fires and THEN, unless you push the button to allow the action to cycle, you have to cock it to make it fire again on a pump-action.
I love when ppl in the middle of combat can actually hear each other
A firearm has a number of sounds:
1- the mechanical sound of the bolt loading the round into the barrel and the mechanical sound of the bold extracting the spend shell casing. That sound is freaking loud in a room. I used to demo that in class with fake rounds just to show how noisy a weapon is even when never fired. You can use a bolt-action rifle or a revolver to quiet these but it will never be silent.
2- the primer exploding. This is equal to a small firecracker. It is the primer that detonates the gunpower within that cartridge. You can cover that part of the weapon with sound-absorbing foam to muffle that explosion.
3- the gunpowder detonating. This is a loud explosion of power sufficient to send a piece of lead faster than the speed of sound. You can cover that part of the weapon with maybe 3" of sound-absorbing foam to muffle that explosion. But probably not.
4- the round exiting the barrel at mach 1+. The bullet is going faster than any jetliner and most fighter jets. It is breaking the sound barrier. It is this sound that a suppressor is trying to stop. It does so by making the bullet pass through a row of rubber washers that slow the bullet to below the speed of sound. (I am being overly simplistic here).
So, a suppressor can slow the bullet to below the sound barrier and take away that huge explosion, it cannot quiet the bolt loading and ejecting the round, it cannot stop the pop of the primer and it cannot stop the sound of the shell exploding in the chamber.
And shoving a pillow over the barrel does nothing but bury feathers or foam into the entry wound of the victim.. Better wrap the pillow around the working parts to muffle those sounds. maybe.
Another movie trope that I find annoying is characters "working the action" pointlessly to make a point. IF they can do that while there is a cartridge or shell in the chamber, they manage to do is eject a live round or skip a live round in the case of a revolver. In the case of older firearms, they leave the hammer down, thus being unable to fire it.
Another pesky trope is that all firearms make a clicking sound when empty, often multiple clicking sounds. While possible with some firearms, it wouldn't even be the majority of them that would do this.
There's an amazing Gus Johnson skit featuring that first trope, with basically every single line he pumps the shotgun and ejects another shell!
They make this into a gag in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In one episode, Buffy is being hunted through the woods without any weapons. She steals one of the hunters' pump-action rifles to help defend herself, which she keeps cocking dramatically for emphasis. ...This bites her in the ass when she very quickly runs out of ammo.
The majority of firearms absolutely do make a click lol. Literally nearly every gun ever made will
It's called "rule of cool".
Even if it isn't true, if it looks cool or enhances the scene, they'll write it in.
The Expanse made fun of it too when an amateur manages to start an unnecessary gunfight by doing as he had seen in the movies.
0:08 'Distant future'? Sir, Star Wars took place A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far, far away. It's literally written with big letters in tbe first few seconds of the movie. Tisk-tisk.
I went straight to the comments to point this out.
Reminds me of the gavin free RTAA. 🤣
that's who disney star wars are made for
they don't even know that it's long ago in a galaxy far away
Was watching a 1950's Audie Murphy western a bit ago.( Love those older movies.) Audie and some guys were fighting Indians and I saw him as well as others taking cover to reload their rifles. Their guns did not have endless bullets. Tom Hanks and his fellows in Saving Private Ryan were reloading their guns on the beach. In short, Hollywood can make it look more real if they want to. I could care less about the action. Just make it look real. That's what I love about any movie.
To be fair, Audie Murphy had more than a little experience with the real thing!
There is a Clint Eastwood cop movie where he was counting bullets, no not that one, the movie was City Heat.
@@randlebrowne2048 That is true. But I have also seen Randolph Scott reload. John Wayne did sometimes.
@@randlebrowne2048 Yeah,...just a little bit.
There is one thing that is far worse than the infinite ammo, it when some CGI person animates not just the bullet but the whole cartridge coming out of the gun!
I saw this recently on a not very good Netflix Anime.
Love your stuff,Simon.....Casual Criminalist,and side projects....We need more like you!!!
Forgot about how loud firing a gun is. Most people will not be able to stand multiple shots without hearing protection
I beg your pardon, could you speak up a tad, couldn't quite hear you through the old tinnitus.
Bruh "Set in the distant future" - "Long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away"
Yup. I wanted to say it.
Yep, it's definitely NOT the distant future.
And, technically, a space western.
Thank you for pointing this out before me!😁
Yeah except for the part that it's in A DIFFERENT GALAXY. Which implies that they had that futuristic technology a long time ago. It's not set in this galaxy or has anything to do with earth. So it isn't our distant future
0:50 - Chapter 1 - Exploding barrels
2:30 - Chapter 2 - Sparks everywhere
3:50 - Chapter 3 - Everything about snipers
5:50 - Chapter 4 - Flying backwards after being shot
8:45 - Chapter 5 - Unlimited ammo
10:20 - Chapter 6 - Silencers
12:50 - Chapter 7 - Everything is bullet proof
Thanks for not using any of my shots in the demonstration. I agree fully but good luck getting the VFX sup or director to do things realistically.
With a title like that, you could make a 10 hour video
I'm just glad they didn't say anything about bulletproof vests. Last time Cracked did a video on that, they claimed Kevlar doesn't do anything.
Another thing you didn’t mention I thought I would add is duel wielding. While it can be done in real life it’s much harder to shot both guns and be accurate at the same time in real life then in movies
In the military, we were specifically cautioned against trying to dual wield even though it looks cool. I guess they knew what was on our minds.
True. And most cases of gunslingers being equipped with two pistols comes from the days before the invention of the metallic cartridge. When two pistols were carried it was because reloading a six-shot cap and ball revolver took (at least) several minutes. So, after the 6 shots were expended in the first revolver, the shooter would transition to the second revolver, but not wield them both at the same time for the reasons you mentioned. Once cartridge revolvers became common, the carrying of two revolvers mostly went away since extra cartridges could be carried in loops on the belt instead, and reloading could be done in seconds rather than minutes.
@@Sammael251 In the military, would that even be an option? A soldier normally issued either a rifle alone or a rifle and a pistol. The rifle would be primary and you'd generally only transition to pistol if the rifle had a stoppage or malfunction, ran out of ammo, or perhaps to clear a very tight spot where wielding a long gun would be impractical.
@@skyhawk_4526 when I was in the Canadian Armed Forces (1978/1979) we were only issued one weapon at a time. But in combat, that doesn't stop you from picking up a weapon dropped by someone else.
@@skyhawk_4526 Your entire post goes out the window if yer Rooster Cogburn.....😉
The lack of sparks from copper has less to do with the lack of hardness but instead because of copper's lower friction coefficient compared to, say, steel. Tools made from very hard copper alloys such as aluminum bronze or beryllium copper are used instead of steel in hazardous environments because they are far less likely to create sparks to cause fires or explosions!
That's what they use to make EOD knives out of. Non sparking and non magnetic. And I assume stainless. I wonder what RC it hardens too?
@@disturbedlife5691
*had to look up «EOD», makes sense*
Probably not quite as «hard» as typical blade steel, but «hardness» is not really the most important property for such applications but rather tensile strength, where the best bronzes (copper alloys) can equal the best steels. Remember that cast iron is much «harder» than any steel, but basically useless for tools!
@@disturbedlife5691 ... it hardens to*
11:03 i fired a .22 pistol with a suppressor in a garage and all i could hear was the slide chambering the following round. it really depends on the baffling inside the case & type of gun it's attached to. and yes guns are loud and you want to be able to hear your surroundings while firing so they're good to have.
Im pretty sure this only applies to modern police cars, but modern police cars often do feature NIJ level 3 armor plating in the front doors so they can be hidden behind, i used to own a retired 2013 ford explorer police car, it was a pile of garbage, but the front doors were considerably heavier than the back ones
I was going to say something like that. A "proper" LEO car _should_ have an armor plate inside the door. BUT there are literally millions of production model cars rolling around as police cars. (they're cheaper than dedicated LEO fleet models.)
@@jfbeam As not all police departments are going to need cars with armored front doors that's hardly surprising.
NIJ?
@@Theomite National Institute of Justice. They rate armor for ballistic protection. NIJ level IIIA will stop up to 44 magnum. NIJ Level III will stop up to M80 308 winchester ball. NIJ Level IV will stop up to one round of 30-06 black tip AP.
In the Army I learned the difference between "Cover" (will stop a bullet) and "Concealment" (won't stop a bullet, but gets you out of sight). SOMETIMES Hollywood gets this right. The person dives behind concealment (a sofa for example) and crawls away while out of sight, meanwhile, the gunner is trying to hit where they think their target is.
Can confirm the car door thing! I had a work van that was hit overnight during some gang violence in upstate ny. Didn’t know till I went to start the van and it was dead. Climbed out to notice a hole in the door, which led to finding an exit hole on the inside, then a whole in the engine cowl, removed to find a hole in distributor cap, removed to find rotor in the distributor cap shattered. Found a compressed slug on the ground under the van.
Wow!
that can't happen in new York. they have strict gun control there. no gun crimes should 've happening.
Thank you for talking about silencers. That Hollywood sound was one reason they were restricted in the U.S.
Discovery Channel's "MythBusters" also covered this subject like sniper shots and shooting fuel tanks to cause an explosion...the tanks did not explode...
USA's series "Burn Notice" also called BS on the exploding tanks and other Hollywood myths. The show's producer got an ear full from Maime Dade fire Chief for having the main character explain how to make it explode.
@michaelbarfield..Mythbusters got it right on fuel tanks but there was friction between Jamie and Adam!
@@nistrum385 Seems like a public official first responder had enough time to watch a television show maybe off duty to be fair to criticize "procedures" that were not based in reality, but hey this is Hollywood!
They also covered one we see fairly often in movies, which is someone shooting at a target under water, and the underwater view shows bullets whizzing through the water past and sometimes through the target. In reality, the water causes a sudden deceleration of the bullet that causes it to basically crumble into bits, which then sink harmlessly to the bottom. The bigger the gun and faster the bullet, the more this effect was apparent. (S3E21: Bulletproof Water)
@@GruffyddFO4 An episode of Discovery Channel's "MythBusters" show Jamie H. shooting a Barett .50 Cal into a pool at various angles and as I recall shooting a .50 Cal FMJ at 60 degrees caused the bullet to travel deep in the pool, however I definitely remember when he shot the gun at 15 degrees (a shallow angle) the bullet brokeup and disintegrated..
13:24 Respect to the editor featuring a clip from Korn’s “Freak on a leash”
You recognized a 1 second clip from a 20 year old music video.
Impressed really
@@Thenarratorofsecrets It’s a great video to a great tune, which I may have seen once or twice 😉
@@Diehydro they even copied it for the end scene of Wanted
Skimming the next comment and seen freak on a leashe and then immediately. Knew what they're talking. About before it... Because Korn 🎉
Diehydro I was about to comment the same, (but thought I would check for other 90's korn fans first)
Worth mentioning that usually people use subsonic ammo with suppressors, so there is no crack of sound barrier
Exactly
correct, butto be fair movies don't educate their viewers on that, its usually treated as your standard grain cartridge in movies
shhh this is for British people
As a U.S. Veteran, we still use 'squad' weapons like the M-16 and M-249 SAW wespon. The primary job of them is to spray 'suppression fire' in the direction of the enemy, so you can advance forward.
Barrel Heat.
That needs to be the title of a movie.
And, it should have been covered in depth here... To include glowing hot barrels in need of changing after a battle scene.
I remember that in the early machine gun days they used to use water-cooling tanks to keep the barrels from melting. I've also seen in high-powered drills the use of water-cooling for the same reason. Why aren't there cooling attachments for barrels for extended life/use?
@@Theomite Weight mostly, though thicker profiled, quick-change, and rotary barrel mechanisms are all methods to reduce the impact of heat on accuracy still in use today. The first is more prevalent on service rifles, the second is common with machineguns, while the latter is present on some vehicles and aircraft.
@@Theomiteweight and better materials now. It's just not a necessity in combat anymore. I was only involved in 2 incidents where the mounted 240's, M2's, and GAU's were forgoing bursts and dumping ammo like it was free... which it was, for us lol. Anyway , most of the time they fire in bursts for a set amount of seconds.
I assure you it's far easier and lighter to carry 6 extra barrels for the 249 (not really 6, just making a point) than to haul around a few gallons of heavy, sloshing, loud non-potable water - which in a bad spot some dumbass would absolutely drink.
Lastly, a squad weapon like the 249 isn't carrying nearly enough ammo to warrant water cooling and the military isn't going to make two wildly different versions of the same weapon for the same branch simply because it might get mounted sometimes. Hell, even mounted and crew served systems don't run that much ammo. We're not piling up in trenches these days.
@@ericalbers4867 Have they ever tried closed-system gaseous coolants like freon or liquid nitrogen? I imagine full auto M60 would get hot enough that even liquid nitrogen would struggle to keep it cool if it went on long enough.
These are guesses, mind you. I'm not an engineer.
@@Theomite Didn't the German army in WWII have removable machine gun barrels, which would be screwed off, and a new (cool) barrel was screwed on, just to avoid overheating to avoid barrel deformation?
In military the teams are usually three, at least in the Canadian army. Shooter, spotter and guard. Concetration on a long rang shot means the first two will be completely unaware of what is going on around them. Note also that in movies where a rifle has no suppressor, they usually take of the flash suppressor off to give a bigger flash. If you can get behing the engine block the wheels also can work.
My cousin was a Canadian army shooter (later a spotter). I came here to post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
US military doctrine is a 2 man team as he described.
I have to say, AP rounds (black tips usually) do spark when hitting steel....most of the time.
Because they have a steel or tungsten core
@@leholen381Or are steel jacketed (like most old Soviet rounds).
@@leholen381 yeah, but fact boi seems to be informed in his script that bullets are mostly lead and copper jacketing lol
Are those lvl 4 plates?
@@joeyr7294because “mostly” they are.
I've noticed in a lot of movies guns that are dropped just go off. The firearm industry is an industry and product liability is a thing. Well there has been much wailing about the fact that firearm manufacturers can't be sued for criminal misuse of their products, they absolutely can be sued for defective products & unsafe product design. If dropping a loaded firearm routinely caused it to go off that gun manufacturer would be sued into bankruptcy.
Chapter 8: guns do not rattle when they are handled. This one drives me nuts when you see people in movies handling a weapon, handing a weapon to someone else, or god forbid, running with a firearm. The sheer amount of noise produced by simply possessing a firearm in a movie is only slightly less than dropping a coffee can filled with ball bearings down a flight of stairs.
In many movies and documentaries, the makers seem to be blackmailed by a foley artist union/mafia. So many sounds are edited in that do not exist in real life or cannot be heard at the distance a scene was filmed.
Obviously you have never owned a Remington 870!...
God, this was egregious in "Downfall," When the Nazi Doctor was driving in the truck and came upon some civilians being taken by the SS, and his right-hand man grabs his MP40, which sounds like it's hollow with a bunch of loose parts rattling around in it or the magazine has no spring.
I suspect someone heard sling fittings rattle against the weapon once and assumed it was the weapon itself and started the trope. And, like using the word "decimated" instead of "devastated", it just kinda spread from there and no one bothered to correct it
Oh and complaining about Hollywood Gun Myths with footage from Heat is really weird.
Yeah...the last fight from Heat is usually touted as extremely accurate.
I believe the purpose was to remind us how loud guns can be, which was the case in this scene.
@@bttawfiq it was used around 09:00 on the 'no reloading' section, which is odd, since Heat is precisely showcased as an example of efficient reloads
@@DerrillGuilbert I heard that the Marine corps actually show that footage to demonstrate good technique of suppressive fire, movement and reloading under fire, particularly focusing on Val Kilmer’s character.
Yeah the gun sounds are real, echoing around the tall buildings. Val Kilmer's reload is perfect, and the two man tactical withdrawal is good. But it still has numerous Hollywood gun myths in it...
Solid video. So many people believe these myths are true because they saw it in a movie and then want to legislate on the myth.
As a lifelong gun owner, vet, and an FFL milsurp collector. I notice so many flaws in the way firearms are employed in movies, constantly. So much so that some people have gotten annoyed at my picking it apart during the movie or show. LOL