The Cass Report Author Is FURIOUS That People Think It's Anti-Trans
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_"Andrew Wakefield FURIOUS that people think his study is anti-vaxx"_
He actually was. At first, he tried to say he was pro-vaccine and just anti-MMR because he just so happened to patent three separate vaccines for the MMR. Then that grift didn't get traction because the only people who bought it were anti-vaccine in general, so he fell into that to make money after his license was revoked.
@@Alex-0597 And the whole time he was lying. Fake study with fake results, done for the purpose of making up a fake illness so that a law firm could bring a class action lawsuit against the government. If you haven't seen HBomb's video on it, you should. It's riveting.
“Putin is very upset that people say he doesn’t like Ukrainians.”
he was mad and would go around doing segments, discouraging certain vaccines.
Perfect analogy
In Cass's defense, if *I* had made a report full of lies, and then people said it was full of lies, I would say they were lying.
It's foolproof!
@@cristianproust Gotta love fools with no actual knowledge thinking they are more expert on a topic than those dealing with it. Arrogant much?
@@cristianproust God I would love a gender neutral term for emails when I can't tell who 'Sandy' is.
@@cristianproust we're not going anywhere, die mad about it :)
@@nerag7459
That sounds like a non problem
Nice of Cass to suggest stopping social transition too, as we all know names, clothes, hair styles and pronouns can change peoples core gender identity. and are a gateway to HRT and trans medicalism.
I'd been a labour voter my entire adult life, it was kinda family tradition going back through great great grandparents, when Starmer became leader of the labour party I went independent, I can recognize a conversative a f'king mile away , then the transphobes in labour started rearing their ugly heads, I'm definitely not going back.
Truly enjoying your content Vaush, we agree on a lot of things, however you've demonstrated that my arguments for those things have been lazy and piss poor.
hehe... STRAIGHT disinformation
Because it's not anti-trans.
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If there's no link between autism and transgenderism, then why do I, a transgender, support autistic people being treated with dignity and respect?
Looking into this
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Excuse you're a decent human being who cares for others? I dunno just a guess.
Autism/ adhd doesnt give ppl a free pass to be bigots.
like map walsh ben shapoo are autists/ adhd/ aspd but that doesnt mean they get a free pass.
The Bell Curve comparison is pretty apt, especially since both the Bell Curve and the Cass Report take the "ho-hum who can say? :)" middle and recommend just undoing all current practices whether they be social services or medical and social support; a completely tempered and normal thing to recommend. Sure the home MIGHT provide you shelter, but we should just tear it down and see what happens.
The Bell Curve is disliked by some. But that's because some people are offended by the truth.
trans people are my friends.
Henlo fren :]
hii :3
@@cristianproust What depraved crap goes on in your life that makes you feel the need to attack people on the internet? I sincerely hope YOU seek mental help.
@@cristianproustYou’re using an anime pfp of a series about reaching across lines to reach mutual understanding…
Did you not understand the show at all? Or you saw giant woman singing while robots go pew pew and that was enough?
Genuine question.
@@Sojo214I think the people he's talking about are just subs
As a trans person in the UK, something feels off right now here. We've had transphobia before but the division is intense. The NHS is generally supported by the left for obvious reasons, but now there's a rift forming. It's sad to see when an organisation you would die for will do things like suggesting you ought to be sectioned and that you're mentally unwell purely because you ask for basic communications like your position on their waiting lists and asking for support before you reach their up to 6 year wanting lists. Makes me feel sick.
"It's sad to see when an organisation you would die" typo?
It is because it was a war, and JKR won. Now this report will be adopted for many other countries, and the US is next, as usual
@@RealFemale69whole fuckin paragraph is a typo lmao
There will be a challenge
I sympathise, been a long time they've been corrupting it
It baffles me that they're saying "we need to rule out every other possibility before we say they're trans" as if doctors don't do that already. Like for an ADHD diagnosis they try to rule out whether its autism since there IS a link between the two (not only do a lot of the symptoms overlap but ASD and ADHD come as a package deal fairly often).
Even if it turned out that being trans is caused by ASD, where's the issue? If social/medical transitioning helps them manage their ASD, improves their quality of life and mental wellbeing, then that's what we would do. It just comes off as them trying to delegitimise the existence of trans people while being ableist towards autistic people.
and yet the assumetion is BS to begin with. i can have have a missing limb and a cold - doesnt mean i need to cure the common cold before getting my limb operated ?!
they try to solidify assumtions of connecting different types of psychosocial phenomena to each other in an attempt to say "you can only transition if you are otherwise a perfectly healthy unharmed newborn virgin pure soul of god, also you have to be kosher and halal ..." what? if that was the case you could deny pretty much every therapy to anyone because he or she also has whatever-else ...
Actually the autism spectrum is a big thing to test for it makes them especially susceptible to external influence.
Says someone who has spent no time around autistic people.
Seriously try convincing an autistic person to do something that they don't want and see how well that works out for you 😂
The UK isn’t sinking into the ocean fast enough.
They have to apologize for Johan of Arc first
@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 Arguably, Joan of Arc was probably one of the historical personas who seems to have most evidence to the argument that they might have been a trans.
@@andyhx2 England has a long history of transphobia
Please don’t link the other three countries that make up the UK with our bad neighbour. If it’s any help, Scotland is geographically rising.
@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 That and homophobia are a feature of colonialism. and theocratic patriarchies.
The Shaun video on The Bell Curve is excellent. Sometimes I watch bits of it again just for entertainment (it's 2.5 hours).
Shaun is a bad person so I don't watch his videos
What dis he do/say because I’ve yet to see a Shaun video I disagree with.
@@WASDLeftClick he was an active participant in the harassment campaign that got Lindsey Ellis to leave the internet.
@@cristianproust I think you're being hysterical. If you look at the data, the UK is unique in its transphobia. Emblematic of this fact is how basically every single independent org around the world harshly condemned the cass report as soon as it came out. The UK is a dead country and are clinging to bigotry because they have nothing else and the ruling class refuses to do anything to fix any issues British people are facing.
@slackershrub8923 I’ll have to check that because it doesn’t sound like something that would make sense for Shaun to do. They largely have the same politics afaik.
For years i didn't even know "the bell curve" was the thing it is. I thought the term was just a generic term for statistical distribution following said curve.
It actually is that, but it's _also_ the title of a racist book deliberately written to manipulate public policy in ways harmful to minorities. If you want the formal name for the curve itself, it's typically called the "normal distribution" because all kinds of completely unrelated phenomena follow it.
They named the book after the term, since studying the statistical distribution of IQ scores is a central theme of the book.
Now you know that is is a way to show how people are different based on science
It always means just the curve unless it's in a race/sociology context in which case it's the name of a book
The book is named after said statistical distribution.
If you don't want people to think you are anti-trans, don't publish an anti-trans "report"
Maybe next time they won't assume that we'll just buy into the bullshit just because they dressed a pig in a lab coat and called it science.
Especially if the "science" in it isn't even scientifically correct...
it's not "anti trans" to speak the truth. this guy is lying through his teeth. is that pro-trans???????????????? give your head a shake
@@07Flash11MRCSeriously, we literally have over a century's worth of research, collected data, and evidence that dismantles their arguments, but they ignore all of it specifically because they know that actually doing research will prove them wrong. Or they'll find little bits of the research, a good example being Money's experiment on David Reimer, read a couple sentences and scream "indoctrination". Despite the fact that Money had colleagues who did the same thing to trans people and got the same results. It's so frustrating to me, that people can pat themselves on the back and call themselves smart when they don't even bother to learn about the subject they're talking about.
Its kinda gaslighting too cause there's a ton of trans people who go through the doubt of "What if I'm just being really autistic about this?". I've heard that a lot from friends and I've gone through it myself.
Yeah... I was almost 20 when I finally got to a point where I could pretty confidently say I was trans
@@VitaeLibra I only realised what everything meant when I was 24. And unfortunately my first exposure to trans people even existing were blaire white videos which surely slowed down the process. ^^'
I never quite understood the whole "trans=autism" thing. Like, so? Does this mean people with autism aren't allowed to choose what to do with their bodies? What do the anti-trans crowd mean by this?
Their motive is to desperately find any excuse why someone can't be transgender. Once they learn there there's a 'link' it makes their day. It shouldn't be surprising that people who don't understand gender, don't understand neurodivergence either. It's not only transphobic, but ableist too. Again, not a urprise because phobias and isms are all found clustered in the same groups of people.
I'm not a phycologist, but if I had to guess, the thought process would be like this. You have to screen the person that wants to transition for phycological conditions that might heavily impact their decision making. If they are cleared, then you can proceed with their request for transitioning. If they are diagnosed with something like autism, then it is very possible that the correct action is not to help them transition, but to help them deal with the underlying condition.
The entire thought process here depends on the assumption that the desire to transition can be triggered by another underlying condition. IF that is proven, then it is reasonable to assume that treating the underlying condition will cancel the desire to transition. AGAIN, I am not a professional in this field and this is not even my opinion, it is pure speculation. I personally don't have an opinion one way or another, because quite frankly I have never looked into or had any interest on the issue.
@@a_kazakis but the thought process you described relies on autistic people not being able to think for themselves or have any sort of personal identity, which just isn't true.
@@a_kazakis I’ve never heard of a medical professional talk about “treating autism” in a way that wasn’t just explicit eugenics. That’s why most medical professionals worth their salt talk about accommodation, not treatment, for autism
@@Comet64 Sorry, maybe I didn't use the correct term, but I would include accommodation in the word treatment. By treatment I mean anything a phycologist might do to help a patient.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." The way anti-trans conservative media immediately boosted Cass's report everywhere as a victory over the "trans cult" is all you need to know about the purpose the report actually serves.
It represent the change of guidelines of many European countries. It is just the beginning. The US is next, the charade is over
Nice try, Labour supports the science!
@@andrewjack6323the science says there’s only ONE existing effective treatment for gender dysphoria and the answer to what that is might make you seethe
@@andrewjack6323 ???
@@nobody08088 Probably means the UK Labor party, aka Tory/conservative light and they have no idea about science as it is generally TLDR and they will do whatever is most popular for votes, the Cass report is rubbish, Brigitte Empire's video 'Britain's New Transphobic Bible' is very informative.
My problem with how she framed the misinfo about the report was it's been reported at least by the media was that it was only trans people misrepresenting it but doesn't refer to people outright lying about it's contents who are also anti trans
There are some good things if they are actually looked at properly by clinics.
I can't actually address my comorbidities at a rate any different to I addressed my trans healthcare which was slow
The report suggests that 16 is a possible age to start hrt is genuinely good. Extreme caution could be used by clinics to make it the majority of cases that receive hrt then. If it's implemented like that it's just a win
The politicians are being spun basically even now you can tell nobody has read the report either way
I'm worried and contacted my clinic about It though. The whole thing about clinics not complying was cooked and fake. They didn't have the resources to do what was asked regardless of if they thought it was appropriate. It would have shut the clinic down.
Autism doesn't cause dysphoria, but anyone who thinks autism isn't connected to dysphoria hasn't been to a furry convention, nor been to a Satanist meeting. The number of people who are both autistic and trans/therian is very high in these venues. Dysphoria and autism are absolutely linked.
They're definitely linked but it's not like treating one alleviates the other. You can't cure someone being autistic any more than you can cure someone being trans. The whole reason this report and other transphobes try and conflate the two is to try and invalidate trans identity as a byproduct of autistic people being stupid in their eyes. No one seeking treatment for gender dysphoria should have to first go through a neurodivergency screening if they didn't request it themselves.
Unscientific and anectdotal. Show me actual data demonstrating this link. I'm not saying it's impossible, but "well i've met a lot of people who are trans and autistic" isn't evidence.
You’d be amazed how many ‘ordinary’ people are actually teetering on the edge of the autistic spectrum.
Satanist, like the non-religious Satanic Temple or something else.
@@Robbay363 Put on your anthropology hat and go spend time at a furry convention or a Satanist gathering. Get to know them and make some odd friends. You'll see what I mean when you share in the same life experiences I've had.
One of the *many* things that infuriates me is how conservatives have sown so much confusion around this topic, to the point that so many laypeople genuinely think that trans healthcare is just the Wild, Wild West. A friend roped me into a frustrating and pointless conversation about the topic and seemed really pleased and proud that we both agreed on what I pissily explained *already* represented the standard of care for trans youth.
The conversation basically amounted to my friend expressing the belief that people should not be anally-fisted prior to receiving open heart surgery, me explaining that that's not done anyway, and them celebrating that we both agreed that people should not be anally-fisted prior to open heart surgery. Cool, we just agreed that a thing that's never done should not be done; this conversation was a great use of my time.
A 'friend' who ate up and shat up 10 minutes of my life with that conversation would never be allowed to speak to me again.
@@angelainamarie9656 , they're a Boomer and mean well. I'd rather deal with someone who's confused or ignorant over someone who's malicious, at least, but I'd also like people to just listen when the relative expert in the room is speaking.
@@dinosaysrawr at this point the fact that they keep having to talk over us is malicious. At this point everyone has had all the exposure they need to the real facts and if they have chosen to absorb a b******* narrative that's because that's the narrative they would like to believe and they deserve all of the flame in the face from that that they earn.
trans/autism correlation is interesting neurologically. Politicians using it as an argument is total BS. Don't take medical advise from politicians, especially British ones.
Kinda why i want people to be more political - to actually have enough interest in politicis to maybe see through such bullshit
when I grew up I was forced to stay in the closet and of course that did me no harm at all...🙄This is just disgusting
Same. And when they couldn't force me anymore they begged. I hope you are living your best life now and that you are able to express yourself 💜
@@Cutest-Bunny998 Holy shit they begged? thats fucking hilarious! hope i get to have that some day,,,,,,,,,,
@@Cutest-Bunny998 Thankyou yes I am and for the first time in my life I experienced life without the distress. Glad you made it as well and I hope you managed to live your life
I love boosting the algorithm!!!!
me too
Lemme just bounce around a bit!! Not sure if more words helps, but here are WORDS! And I'll re-watch tomorrow for good measure.
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Don't forget basically the whole report was redacted anyway but that doesn't matter and was planned to be from the start
@@cristianproust The way Europe adopts all things from England... wait.. no
@@nerag7459 Sweden did it first, that is what triggered a review of the guidelines
@@cristianproust Everyone follows Sweden thats why... oh no we don't.
@@cristianproust Time to dye my hair blond and eat fermented rotten fish, said no one ever.
@@cristianproustand other countries, like Germany, followed Sweden, like when they’re going to introduce self id laws. Wait no, that doesn’t make sense.
Never trust a group of people who pronounces thoughtful as "FOTFUL" is what I always say
Europeans? More like euro peons
I wish they were this consistent about quality of care for all conditions . I have an illness called ME/CFS , I was 12 when I got sick and was reccomended a treatment called graded exercise therapy as my only option,I refused it and was discharged for being uncooperative. it was introduced as the primary treatment method in 2007 and removed from reccomendations in 2021 because it was found to cause more harm than good. a 2019 study found that 13% of patients who did GET got better, 12% saw no change , and 67% got worse. there were papers suggesting this outcome as far back as 2005 ,when it was still in the approval stage, before the NHS adopted it as primary treatment. For 14 years the NHS knowingly pushed people with my illness to disable themselves further , and it never got any real media attention. we just suffered
What? She made a report with the sole purpose of making it harder to transition and there are people mad she's taking their rights away? She's obviously the real victim here
I do take pleasure in the fact that she is acting like her rights are being taken away for a change. She's sooooo fearful.
Yeah you're fearful for being a bigot, imagine living as the trans person and multiply that fear x100
No she made a report ordered by the most woke Government in British history, analysed all of the main double blind studies related to the subject and came to reasonable conclusions. Trans people can still get hormone blockers and cross sex hormones in the UK in both public and private healthcare. Vaush didn't read the report. He read someone, who read someone who did a half arsed hit job on the report.
so for you people there simply cannot be any objectiv conclusion that does not support your views.
good. at least that makes you identifiable so one knows where time for talking would be wasted.
By side effects they mean desired effects
Me trans, you trans?
Me trans!!!
@@SpecialBlanket WAHOOOOO!!!
yes :3
Yee
No 😔
Man if only you'd read it on stream, a lot of the arguments would land a lot better if you could back it up with examples from the text.
He... He did? Half of these claims are words right out of Cass's own mouth. I also think you ignore how few viewers would actually be left on his stream if he read the full report. That's not how journalism works. Anybody can read it in full themselves if they wanted
Crap Report
Is she also triggered that we think her endorsement of conversion therapy is anti-gays?
I mean at 1:56 all those recommendations at face value are good things. Most of it seemes to say that having only 1 centre for trans youth in the whole uk is probably bad, lets set up multiple regional centres. Ideal in my head, why should a mtf teen in york have to take a 6hr train for necessary medical treatment?
You gotta be really careful with how things like this are phrased. For example holistic screening in the general national health service could well mean that you now have generalist doctors and psychiatrists screening you for stuff like autism or ADHD and flat out never letting you get gender care if they think its actually just you being autistic or whatever else.
Something like that is even pretty likely because the UK sure doesn't look like they actually care about making trans care more accessible at the moment.
For anyone interested, the podcast "Maintenance Phase" did a great episode ("BONUS: Breaking Down The Latest Anti-Trans Victory Lap") on the Cass report which covers most of the controversy. Rebecca Watson also covered it on her channel.
"The Cass Report is like the Bell Curve." No. Not at all, not even in the slightest. Is this really the best our side can produce as a counter? I hope not.
Where did Cass come from and why is she like this.
she's 66 and conservative I think that about sums it up
Cass is one of the most experienced and respected Pediatricians in the UK a Woman at the head of her field of medicine. That is where she has come from.
The audacity is next level
All these people wanna do is live a free and happy life, but nooo, no. We absolutely can't have that. Freedom for all, except those my "Christian" morals disagree with
AOTEAROA (NEW ZEALAND) MENTIONEDDDDDD
But the Bell Curve Video is so long and has so many smart words in it...
Man, Britain does really have a duck problem, doesn't it?
I hate it here
Its over for angloids
if a very thin person comes up to dr.cass and says: 'i am fat, please help me loose
weight',
she would help that person with anorexia and you people would fight to let the person
get liposuction.
Doctor Cash, propagandist for hire.
This is so strange. Why would the author of the report, who is know to follow several anti-trans organizations on social media and has met with culture warrior-king Ron DeSantis to discuss policy matters regarding medical care, be worried about being called anti-trans? More to the point, the report itself has glaring issues that make it's credibility as a scientific paper questionable.
Name calling anyone who disagrees with you is cowardly and disgustingly shameful!
Well, they’re cowards and they have no shame 🤷♀️
whats the argument here? trans-people are not trans because they have autism? couldn't you just be both?
Yes. People can be both. However, undiagnosed autism is sometimes the entire explanation for gender non-conformity, and pushing such people down a pathway for trans people is inappropriate.
If the cap fits ,wear it.
I hate how doctors treat things like anxiety and depression as if it is the beginning and end of all of someones problems. I, a transgrender woman who was diagnosed early in life with severe anxiety and depression, have received treatment for my gender dysphoria after over a decade of ineffective treatments for my anxiety and depression, which completely has remedied my anxiety and depression for some reason. Probably a coincidence.
I don't always do anti trans things, but when I do I read the Cass report.
Whar
That is the future of the standard for Europe. The US comes next
@@cristianproust The US loves doing things because England says so... wait...
@@nerag7459 The US always follows Europe, specially in controversial topics. It is science after all
@@cristianproust No it doesn't.
Feels a bit awkward right now to be a trans woman named Cass.
I don’t know why people understand this or wrap their head around the concept is that if someone has or possibly autism, they go to practitioners or providers, exactly the same thing with depression. Yet, this is not the case with gender dysphoria, its own distinct phenomenon. People who have depression or autism can also have gender dysphoria, but still they are their distinctive conditions which are not typically symptoms of one another by default.
So you agree with Cass that doctors should treat the whole person and not just concentrate on the fact that they are trans. Because that’s the conclusion of the report.
@@apriljoy1094 Umm, no. April. No, you are reading this wrong way. Her report is as fallacious as it is biased and filled with misinformation. I didn't say anything earth-shattering or revolutionary, or astoundingly complex. Again, if I have a foot problem, I go to a podiatrist. If I have a heart problem, I go to a cardiac specialist. Depression is treated through therapy, psychology, and psychiatry.
As I said previously, some autistic people do suffer from both gender dysphoria and depression, but that doesn't mean the three are interrelated. Because, many people have gender dysphoria, but they are not autistic nor suffer from depression with a caveat of also not necessarily being trans. There are cis or nb who have gender dyphoria, but they will tell you and defend that they aren't trans. It's really a gross failing of the study, it doesn't analyze those phenomenons. If it even faintly touches them, it's so much poor data and misleading information use, it's basically bad data.
Is The Sun doing a sex pistols reference with that "never mind the ballots!" in the background
Wes Streeting is a ****
Well done the Cass report
England is like the nazis would have won the 2 WW, but with British accent.
Yes. Just the same except for the small difference of offering free counselling and medical treatment for life rather than concentration camps…
Psuedo Scientific?
Labour = Tories now. They might as well merge, they are for all intents and purposes identical. Thanks Starmer.
Not remotely. Labour have just taken a more nuanced stance on trans issues in line with the majority of the British public. The Tories are much more anti trans. They have plenty of other differences too, like Labour have just announced they are going to take the railways into public ownership. That's a pretty big deal. They are also going to introduce some (but not enough) elecricty public ownership. They are bringing forward climate action to faster than the Tories want to take it. They are not the same even if the gaps aren't always ask wide as we would like.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191Wanna bet? A good friend of mine, who has always ‘pushed’ Labour, has started muttering a phrase at me “getting like the tories day by day”.
She is starting to doubt that they are being genuine in their views.
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Jesus. Cass looks like Phyllis from The Office if someone replaced her shampoo with axle grease.
I dont care. I havent read it and I trust no one to do it for me. Since I dont care about the future of humanity, I opt to not read it, thus the only logical conclussion is sdgjkofødhjgioøhgbjnkflvød
Aw man, so I guess the science only changes when you agree with it
Idiocracy was a documentary. The brain drain continues.
Huh, a lot of people seem to support the private cosmetics industry over a government-funded health report. How neoliberal of them.
You do know "enabling" has an actual meaning in English, right? Aguaman
for the oi gore rhythm mate
I’ve never seen Vaush so intellectually dishonest
I mean we're supposed to interpret things generously right? But I'm having a hard time here: Is it more generous to think that these people are simply dumb and unable to see their own biases, to the point of thinking their bigoted opinions are just The Default™ and self-evident, and therefore neutral? Or is it more generous to think they're just wilful hatemongers and grifters who are actually pretty intelligent and calculating and competent?
Lovely listening to someone who knows nothing, misinterpreting and misunderstanding science.
I've been trans for 7 years now but I've also been diagnosed with autism (age 5) and depression (age 14). I'm concerned now that I'll be denied hormones and such because of that. This shit sucks.
Genuine question, how young does gender disphoria start to manifest generally?
most the time it develops between the ages of 6-12. if you have early onset gender dysphoria, you develop it in early childhood. if it’s late onset it develops at the onset of puberty. neither should be confused with rapid onset because that’s less legit than the cass report
Generally it's between 4 and 6, 10 and over is a bit late but not unheard of.
Depends what age they were got at.
I was a dysphoric zygote
I was dysphoric in reception, so 4.
I am sorry but I have a daughter with autism spectrum disorder. She got caught in the trans craze. I was earlier very sympathetic believing that trans people were somehow a special category of people where a person discovers that they are somehow in a wrong body. But after seeing what she went through and after spending a lot of time talking to her I have realized that people with autism are especially vulnerable for both experiencing quite a lot of discomfort with puberty and being more easily influenced by certain types of erroneous beliefs. I did my best to not affirm nor affirm the trans identity. I just listened and supported and shared information about what hormones do in a healthy body,what the role of puberty is, how it feels like to go through puberty… I normalized the discomfort a lot of people feel.
After some time of being absolutely adamant on going to transition she simply with knowledge and time/ maturity developed into a different sort of identity
Both of us now see how terribly poor health care system is and how she could have been irreversibly harmed had she have gone through medical transition. We both view this now as really a transition to nowhere. It is not possible to change ones biological sex.
I am glad Cass report was done. Healthcare professionals need to have facts to work with and a lot of these young people need a whole lot more proper mental help treatments and much, much better protection against surgical and hormonal interventions.
Austic people definitely aren't easily led.
& Gender is immutable as is sexuality.
Also stop confusing sex and gender because you are openly showing how utterly and completely uneducated you actually are on this subject 🤡
but is it anti trans!
Lol big mad
The Cass report is not anti-trans. The people who say it is are ridiculous.
"Extreme" is not a word that should be used in a serious report.
"Why is it that a group of young people who are extremely vulnerable are waiting *years* to access treatment?"
*Great* question! Better question, why are you dead set on making it even harder for them to get it, Mr. Streeting?
2 hours and 10 comments, Vaush really fell off.
Honestly with how about half my comments get eaten I wouldn’t be surprised to find out YT just hides some.
14K and 3 hours Vaush really fell off.
Do people still find this funny?
@@gravelmonarch The plot twist is I was being semi serious.
After being screened by primary care, then by mental health services, patients must be screened by non physicians at gender services, before being allowed on a 2- year waiting list to get an informed gender care specialist to see them the first time. Then they are screened again. Only then will they receive gender-affirming care. That is now. All they want to do is add tighten up this by adding additional post waiting list screening criteria, such that if you have any other cognitive or psychological conditions besides gender dysphoria (a necessary criteria to have) you can’t get gender care services. Where does the idea that gender dysphoria proper being a requirement come from anyway? They pulled out if their ass. How about the idea that high functioning autistic people or people with other managed psychological conditions like depression anxiety ptsd, etc., should be barred from getting gender affirming care that they otherwise would qualify for? Likely from the same place. I do think the desire to transition medically (as opposed to puberty blockers) should be a long-considered firmly and consistently-held conclusion and the younger the patient , and the more complex the patient’s overall health, the longer that process and the higher the bar should be. But we do not need erect sweeping arbitrary unsupported hurdles.
The longer the process, because people are autistic, have comorbid depression or PTSD? There's no justification for extra punishment for suffering co-morbid conditions. They KNOW the rates of abuse etc for trans people are high (because, weirdly, we act funny like we're a different gender and people pick up on that sh1t), that's why they're doing this. jeFc, so f'd up. I waited the compulsory 2 years, decades ago and that was too long.
Vaush. If someone damned all black people or LGBT people based on the behaviour of two people would that be acceptable? Why is it acceptable to do so to the British? Some of us are not like Rowling and hate a lot of what is going on and now we have people putting us all into the same category.
We're in polite company. Please don't use swears
It's bri*ish
Its not acceptable to damn all people based on the behavior of a few people....key word is people, nobody is doing that here.
You haven't seen much of the lefties online, huh. Everyone who isn't automatically one of them or only partially one of them is scum.
i'm sorry mate, but when even Hatsune Miku won't talk to....your people... then you just have to deal with the facts.
RUclips...for the last time don't hide my comment and then still send me notifications for it lol.
how did britain become so aggressively transphobic? when does this end
The Cass report criticises the treatment protocols at the Tavistock clinic.
It does not deny trans people any rights or needs.
It does not recognize they exist. It speak of "stress" and recommends no medicalization and treat co-pathologies of mental kind from 17-25 years old
@@cristianproust "The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group."
A full programme of research should be established to look at the characteristics, interventions and outcomes of every young person presenting to the NHS gender services.
The puberty blocker trial previously announced by NHS England should be part of a programme of research which also evaluates outcomes of psychosocial interventions and masculinising/ feminising hormones.
The option to provide masculinising/feminising hormones from age 16 is available, but the Review recommends extreme caution.
@@smkh2890 Cool quote. Unfortunately - the only way this quote makes any sense is if and only if you take all the existing studies which DO exist on the matter and show improvement in psychological measurments and ignore all of them (As the Cass report did), under the premise that they don't hold up to some arbitrary and clinically impossible standard (As the Cass report did), and then turn around and look at the very few studies that imply otherwise and suddenly foreget to apply the same standard (As the Cass report did).
This malpractice alone should ring alarm bells.
The fact that this intellectually dishonest tactic was used and STILL the only claims she could make with a straight face were "The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown", and " we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group" is only furthur proof that there is no evidence against the positive effectiveness of HRT treatment at younger ages than suggested in the report.
In any case - Cass herself backpeddled on all of this and agreed that Puberty Blockers should be prescribed at earlier ages than 15, and that Gender Affirming Hormones should be available to young people. So the call for caution is all bullshit. Was all along. Will always remain.
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❤ Transphobia ❤
the only toxic part about the trans debate is that it is happening at all by know nothing bad faith actors that want to take life saving medical care away from millions. That trans people defending them self are mean to you, and calling you out for what you are doing in clear terms is not toxic in the sligthest.