Counter to Counter(C²C)\Utilization of corners [Voice Comm]
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Voice Commentary No. 2
This was going to be just a small 'test video' in preparation for the circlestrafing tutorial but i kept finding problems and solutions for c2c until i figured its full potential, it was quite the journey and decided to make the video in an order based on how i discovered things(problems and solutions and problems again..) to show the long process ive been through with this thing. its been worth it since its just that good.
cornerstabs have been a problem for awhile now, cant believe nobody labeled a solution like this before.
i had the idea for this video awhile back and started working on it around 6 months ago, it was finished around that time but i could'nt voice it, i just had to struggle with my mic. then i finally got this mic from my school and finished it all in 1 day.. 6 months of struggle ended yesterday, cant really believe it.
(also dissy helped me with some clips but hes not important 8)
Peoples patterns in corners:
Runs blindly- cornerstab
Takes corner slightly wide-wide cornerstab
Takes corner tightly then backs off- cornerstab\keep strafing for a second click
Takes corner wide- C²C(2)
Takes corner wide then backs off-C²C(1)
this stab is seriously easy to learn, we have no more reason going for cornerstabs.
Music:
Naruto: Raikiri
Code geass: Madder sky
Naruto: Sasuke's Destiny
Oban The Big Star Race: Soundtrack 16
Crisis: Theme\insertion\Epilogue mix.
The small ² is for E², never forget.
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Very nice tutorial CulRulDud
Still waiting for your circle strafe stab :-)
I'm glad I helped you my friend, always welcome!
Me 2
no way.
@@sexydwarf3229 wdym
@@sexydwarf3229 yes way
Watching this video today feels like uncovering ancient wisdom from forgotten times. Thanks CRD.
it really is XD
homstufck
Good thing hardly anyone knows about your channel. Your secret is safe with us :)
But now a lot of TF2 players does cause, Mr. Paladin linked this to teach his how to do the stabs :3 I am one of those subscribers.
+NightcoreLover I can't seem to find what video he did that on can you link me?
+NightcoreLover Can u send me a link to the Mr p video that talks about crd plz. I don't know which it is
ouch
“Good thing hardly anyone knows of your channel. Your secret is safe with me.”
You are a failure of a human being by gatekeeping quality information from people. It is human nature to desire to learn. I hope you’ve fixed that mentality in the 7 years since you’ve commented this.
omg this guy needs more views and subscribers...
．0:00 Showing how corner stabs do not work as usual
．1:05 Talking about corner stabs
．1:52 Introducing Counter to Counter ver.1
．2:31 Never click for stab immediately
．2:51 Move toward to the wall of their side if the situation needs to
．3:18 Pretend going for corner stab, and charge in for the kill
．3:32 "The Real Problem" (Get used to C²C & stop corner stabbing)
．4:29 People who take the corner wide and then back off
．4:47 Let people get close to the corner is enough
．5:07 People who take the corner tightly and then back off
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．5:35 People who take the corner wide (and keep going)
．6:11 Introducing Counter to Counter ver.2
．7:34 Do not click for stab immediately as well
．7:53 Move in an arrow shape
．8:16 Reason to the "arrow"
．8:32 The guy takes the corner wider, the arrow gets wider
．9:05 you can also use right and left for the stab
．9:21 C²C ver.2 is very versatile (it's essentially only backwards)
．10:30 "You should use the corner"
．10:51 The movement when your corner stab gets countered
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．11:39 How I tell their movement?
．12:05 Recognition
Poor dissy, getting scolded by crd for taking wide corners like that :P Teach me in game pls? Haha
lmao
You just outdid yourself, this isn't simply about video games now, this is pure psychology. The thing that was really epic about this video was the fact that you coulda just said that cornerstabs are not viable anymore and that we shouldn't go for them, but instead, you analyzed the situation, saw what was wrong and tweaked it so it could work again. Fucking awesome work my friend, I don't know why this doesn't have 45 bagillion views, because it's simply amazing. Watching your videos felt like SubtleArt all over again...
added ya lel
If you want to see s psychological spy look up TF2Slurgi's videos.
I prefere more the kind of highlander povs with analysis on them than pubs, and if i'd check that up i'd rewatch subtleart's videos, they're truly the best.
Thats all spy is...
It's awesome listening to this from your perspective. You get kind of a Sherlock Holmes feeling :p Very useful! thanks
glad you liked it:)
Easy to learn, easy to execute. Amazing!
Btw, nice voice, id love to have you as a teacher...so....inspirational
thanks^^ i'll be happy to play with you sometime.
would you now?
IF ur serious, my steam name is ŠṖƟƟXȚĘŘ
add meh we co spy
+HU6A I think you meant to post this in the Mr. Palladin comment section.
Whoa, I remember getting stabbed like that at 18:18 and thinking it was a normal cornerstab somehow... I didn't know this was your invention. I have to say, really great vid and thought process behind these stabs. I don't feel bad about getting caught in your tricks now. Congrats.
Thanks dude. it was really fun playing with you^^.
amazing tips CRD, this vid needs a two or three more zeroes at the end of the views counter.
when is this coming to cinemas? :)
probably in this summer
Res| tf2 THIS SUMMER..
IGN RAVES 10/10...
***** The film got cancelled.
I don't care what the others say! You are the best spy!
He could be the competition to lategum
And slurgi
I pulled of my very first C2C yesterday on a pyro :D
My left ear enjoyed this
I'm amased! I can't get over this. My corners finally helping again and I'm getting kicked from pubs again :3 Big thanks CulRulDude you are a very Cul Dude!
Anyone watching in 2016 ? C:
+Runyx TF2 Yus
+Ninja Nuclear ayy
Runyx TF2 I never sleep :/
+Ninja Nuclear a fully charged phone = no sleep
Runyx TF2 That and friends who don't understand moonwalk stabs
Also I love how you make your voice comms sound so heroic, haha. Turn up the music at the spot where you come to a conclusion and such.
A key part of this that CRD mentioned, but didn't explain is that when you backup in TF2, you move 10% lower than if you were moving forward or strafing. This is why he gets behind players; he is strafing into them while they are backing up. Because of this, they are moving slightly slower than he is and he can get just far enough behind them to get the stab.
Exactly. Spy moves faster than other classes
@@nexor7809 A lot of this footage is from before the update that made Spy move faster, back when Spy moves at the same speed as Sniper, Engi, and Pyro. He gets behind them because by moving sideways instead of backwards he isn't receiving the 10% speed penalty
You mentioned in the video that the first iteration of this stab is a (pseudo) corner stab with a back-pedalling stab, and the second a (pseudo) corner stab with the 4th variation of circle strafing. I think C2C isn't a trickstab. I guess we could call it a "combo stab", which uses different trickstab techniques to perform a creative and efficient way of murdering an enemy (wow =P). So, "Counter to Counter" should be a combo stab. Don't know if this type was already used, but if not, I just made that one up!
A trickstab summed up is basically getting behind a player or manipulating a player to show their back, so this is a trickstab although I do see your point... I think its both but it falls under trickstab because its a way to manipulate the player to expose their back! Combo stab sounds cool though d:
OMG i just found out the problem with my matador stabs, just like in 7.00 the opponents keep moving the way they are finally know how to counter them, thx
nice, this is the kind of eye i want people to have, realizing how movement works and applying it to the game.
Matador = keep pressing A and D till the enemy looks at you one way, then you move to their side and get a sidestab or what looks like a facestab. Honestly very simple and works on even seasoned players, hell I was able to get some on my friend who is in a professional team, the only hard stabs to get are stairstabs(because of how easy they are to see coming unless it is a very low incline), and understabs(because of how situational they are, and how hard they are to set up).
no sometimes they run up too fast and attack ur side, in which case c2c #2 would work
Me too.
:D
***** erm just a quick clarification. Should i Completely kick the habit of corner stabs like always go for c2c#1 and if it fails go for #2? Because i still find people falling for corner stabs and as your video states, if they dont i go into a gun fight with them.
Mr. Paladin brought me here.
same
Which video made by nr paladin enough you here
Can u send me a link to the Mr p video that talks about crd plz. I don't know which it is
which 1 of his vid made u come here?? :o
Self Assisted Stabs (Week In replay) 15:30
13:15 interesting to see the seeds of the cstrafe tutorial already at work with "strafing around"
lol same
yeah he only developed his playstyle with the theory. you can see the horrible long term effects that did in his videos. never learned to matador correctly.
Late comment I know, but this is a great video. Watched it a number of times already; as a pretty new spy with only ~400 hours in the class, using this has really taught me how to apply circlestrafing in general, not just in corners, and let me get some stabs even in Highlander that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. C2C may not really be a "new" trick, but by simplifying it and teaching it like this, you've really done a great thing for newer Spies like myself.
(was reminded of this because I made friends with a UGC Silver Pyro the other day by getting some revenge on him using this and your "quickstab circlestrafe" trick, thought I'd drop some praise since you deserve it for putting in the work to teach us newer spies this stuff.)
wow...according to the date on the video....this tutorial was made 1004 years ago!
Bloom HD maybe it was when knife battles were still commen.
There's a really weird problem with this video, when i watched it on my pc everything was good but when i watched it on my phone your voice just became some blur in the background, really wierd
Yeah I can't hear any voice
Yes i cant hear properly on phone its so blury and he sounds like a robot. Sometimes i dont even hear him.
Holy crap you are amazing
i just feel like i watched a 20 min commercial for a stab
Aysam MF lul
I'm so proud this video is finally getting the credit it deserves, nearing 10,000 views! This is the video that you put your best into, I salute you.
Where's the commentary?
Wait what the heck I can't hear your voice on moblie but it works on PC
This is so top secret that the video won't even play the voice comm. audio at all
I will work if you use headphones
Why tho
Is that music from Code Geass? It's making me sad reminding me of the ending.
I feel like spies invent tricks all the time, i actually heard of c2c, but never knew what it was, despite doing these stabs (corner within a corner, is what i called it once). Nice job in compiling all aspects of this though, it was really organized. purdy good stuffs.
All the spy stabs have been around forever people are just naming them these days... Anyways the video was very nicely put together
bro, I feel like anytime I watch culruldud, I feel like brain just exploded with knowledge. Love your vids
Today there was a very cocky soldier on borneo. "Only dumbass f2ps fall for trickstabs."
I proved him so wrong with this.
+Lifemarr lol, what was his reaction?
He left after a telestab right outside of spawn, and a c2c right when he respawned. It was lovely.
Lifemarr haha
Lifemarr Man. Why do people always think F2Ps suck? How much money you have doesn't determine your skill level.
Some of these stabs basically look like one of the circle strafe levels
Goddamnit man. Stop being so epic
ruclips.net/video/uhsXLwjzoE4/видео.html
even in 2021 this guy's trickstab tutorials are still the best
Not exactly "trick". You don't fool people, you counter their movement by using thecorresponding circle strafe.
@@quattrobajeena8954 Which is exactly why its the best, it forgoes the need to outthink the other player, it works on anybody.
i be that mane
2fat2read that 8(
am I the only one whos hearing static?
guy who watches hentai use headphones boyo
CulRulDud, I just wanted to mention corner stabs still work on both new and old players, it just depends on how you execute them, though this is great for when they fail, and I thank you for this neat trick to add to add to my assortment :3
tru stury, i cried.
This is actually a really good strategy. My original strategy is to just get them impatient. If a pyro has been chasing you for 3 minutes, he'll just skip around that corner since he'll assume I'll run. This is a defensive counter attack
This video is FREAKING LEGENDARY!
These are the funnest things, nobody expects the c2c. I personally call it the cornador.
True, learned this a few months and when i saw all these scouts strafing around corners i could finally counter the tryhard unusualiness.
cuul dude
Holy hell most epic video I've ever seen!!! Dat soundtrack 😂
Really Nice vid, these kinda videos is what made me play tf2 :) now i have over 530 hours played as spy. At the time there where plenty of educational videos of trickstabbing and movement, but now there isnt. I Appreciate these vids thx for making em.
a lot of these are subtle variants off moonwalk stub and sasnap , right?
Ben S. He did say that none of these are new.
I think that this video is amazing and all because I generally understood, but why is it that no one is talking about how you can barely hear him?
Especially since when he said that something was important, something in-game would be louder or music would start and it is impossible to hear him :(
Tylermike75 Put on headphones
Nice trick, but imo it will only works for people with bad aim and bad reaction time.
Imagine a guy that is capable of placing his crosshair on you consistently from the first moment you pop out of corners.
RIP C2C
Welp,had a good run anyway
Time to think about C4C now
gg never forgetti
+Thinki Ninji Why rip? Only guys who playing with CRD perfectly counter this. Or not?
My right ear enjoyed it.
Creating new trickstabs..Awesome.He's too underrated sadly :/
But I love him,keep up the good work!
I swear I've watched this video like 40 times and I still find stuff to learn from it
I'm watching this again and again from 2015 because i love CRD's voice ;)
still a masterpiece
This guy is easily the best spy in tf2 right now.
John Zarbib he is the best ive ever seen
never in my tf2 career have I seen a spy performing these stabs or using his intuition and creativity its awesome!!!
So try for a regular corner stab, study movement, retry, given another chance. Or guess. Habit comes second to corner info. TMI *Overload*
Also, I can't analyze after watching this many times & Hu6A, darn
SOMEONE HELP I can't hear his voice anymore but the music is still playing....... I'm freaking out right now
This is gonna be hard for me because I have lots of habits to break.
1.Stop the corner stabs of course
2. I'm always moving my mouse to the right instead of turning it where it's supposed to be.
And 3. Is being to nervous and can't approach the enemy but flee with the dead ringer :(
Howdy :) i'm pickles, i meeted your friend he's called spooks, he said everything about circle strafing and stuff, and btw you are amazing can u teach me with stuff? You can ask spooks to add me :)
i find it 4 months ago but not like that (im said Reverse Corner stab) i can show it in game to person
damn 10 years holy...
Dude i keep seeing a bunch of spy main youtubers praising your videos in the comments- great guys like HU6A, and Irish Spy.
I don't feel like these would work with a really good connection, has anyone tried it with a good connection?
Weird question. What education do you have? It seriously takes a lot of smarts to determine why something isn't working and use their opponent's mindsets in an obvious situation against them.
this is fucking brilliant
but on pubs now i still pull off corner stabs like a charm. so it isnt as common to back off or go wide when they chase a spy through a corner as you've said.
corner stabs work all the time. Just don't stare at your opponent, try not to let him see you in the first place, and use your gun first so he doesn't expect a knife.
Some of those clips to show how players learnt how to avoid getting corner stabbed are way too old for them to have evenheard of those stabs (eg stabby stabbys facestab aimbot)
Let's add another trickstab to the collection >:)
PRACTICE TIME
its not matador ofc its not The first c2c isnt but the second one was pretty much a bit matador thing but if you look closely It is moonwalk stab
Great vid, but please lower the in game volume or boost your mic, I couldn't hear you :(
PRO TIP:99% of the times scouts will back off so try the second version
played against bfl' satan a couple days ago in a pub, this would have been really useful at the time :P
16:30 he should've went for the 1st version of c2c right? Just making sure i understand this vid
I try end these stabs before, but I didn't know it wasn't a stab, other wise I would have made a video of them before
I thought I was the only one that knew about this. God damit now you everyone knows... ;(
.... ok.
Was the voice sounding like it's behind me on purpose because the spy is always behind you
This inspirational music makes me wanna try it. But when I do, fail...
So it is like a circle strafe or moonwalk that utilizes the corner to easily approached the enemy
I almost wish this video doesn't get super popular, so people don't wise up to c2c.
Is it just me or does this "voice comm" have no voice in it whatsoever? It's just music the entire time
crd you are still here?
and what your fov_desired
This music makes this video 10x more better than it already is ;-;
watching this video is like hearing that there is a cure for cancer it blows your mins
Lol my iPad is craked and I can hear his voice XD
Um....Matadoor WS ????
This is scary how someone even thought of this.
The audio is a bit weird, seems to be mostly coming from my left speaker.
And nono, thank YOU for making this :3
The most notable thing about really good spies that they know how to adapt to the psych of the players they are going against better than any other class mains.
Why 4/2/1012? Isn't it 4/2/2012 instead?
ChaosContrl This video is 1 thousand years in the making.
JCthe Spy lol
5:01 *witnessed Demo C2C'd by Crd* t..the fuck?
You are a god.
Mr.Paladin anyone?
+Connor Cleghorn me
Can u send me a link to the Mr p video that talks about crd plz. I don't know which it is
+Connor Cleghorn I still don't get if you guys are trolling or if MrP really said something about c2c lol
Mr P really did say something about c2c. Not trolling. :D
Link?
hey i have been watching this particular video for a couple of times... but i still have a question... do you back paddle or strafe when you are countering their counters
+wong wh Backstrafe. ;) Strafe and backpeddle at the same time
Mr. Paladin's recent video brought me here and I have to say, this was the most amazing away to explain to us spies in the field how to counter the counter. Thank you so much, you truly are a worth member of the community.
Static..
7:37 wtf lol butterfly knife random crit?
WARNING
FOR PHONE USER pls use headphone or earphone(maybe) to hear the voice comm
I think there problem with sound when not using good speaker(phone speaker) I only hear the music
but if i use good speaker I can hear your voice
so from what i understand, the 2nd version of c2c is what slurgi does for a face stab, strafing forwards and circiling around, an improvised matador stab right?
Skydown 88 I think not. 2nd version of c2c is variation of circlestrafe stab. It's not matador. You basically move forward first so the enemy turns(or spin) towards you, and then move backward left(or right) so you get behind them. It's more like improvised frontstab than matador stabs, IMO.
OK yea, I see now, I explained the correct stab just named it wrong, thanks
Genius
Almost got this multiple times today, I was just a little too hesitant at some parts.
This video is the best video related to Team Fortress ever.
Ay, I got two of them today!
I remember when me and CRD practised these 2/3 years ago!
This is great you are a true innovator.
They evolve, we evolve