Review: The Forgotten City
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
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Woah woah woah
2 vids in 2 days, I must be in heaven.
Edit: jokes aside, these 2 videos have been absolute bangers. Loved them.
I was also going to say, I must have shuffled off the mortal coil and now I'm seeing things that can only happen in our wildest dreams.
It's the dog effect. He is way happier now.
@@crybirb yes. Cannot disagree with that 😆
Is it heaven? Or is it just
2 videos,
2 videos in 2 days
This seems like one of the best ways to make "edutainment" actually fun and educational
The adam and eve sponsorship will always be legendary
I have to buy something from em now, gotta support our boi.
As a once famous now forgotten voice in time said "sex sells"
I love that this Adam And Eve sponsorship has been effective enough for them to keep offering it to him lol
Maybe he's just doing it for free at this point
some of us need it 🤷♀️
what can I say, without George I never would've known that I can get the good lube online for less than the porn store in town sells it.
With show tunes like this George is gonna be their spokesperson for life
And you didn't even touch on the multiple endings and the ways that you can make clever use of the timeloop to solve puzzles and conundrums in the game!
Not to mention how emotional the canon ending is
Truly, a contender for GotY for me
"looks like Bethesda made it" - Kotaku. Ouch, that's pretty harsh...
I was about to say, what a backhanded compliment
on the one hand, The Forgotten City is based on a Skyrim mod. on the other, this is definitely a backhanded compliment, lol.
Bethesda games are usually pretty good looking. I feel like people are forgetting how insanely technically impressive Oblivion and Skyrim were when they were released. Oblivion in particular was mindblowing.
@@hihihi1q23 well, bethesda is intrested in selling copies, not creating functional game systems.
I dunno, in a post-Skyrim world saying a game LOOKS like Bethesda made it isn't too rough a compliment. saying it PLAYS like one, on the other hand...
Did... he just upload videos two days in a row? Such a treat
can't wait for tomorrow's video :^)
This legit seems like one of those games on Steam that I would've seen pop up that I would've ignored, but now it's going to be one of those games that tell myself "I'll get to it eventually" 5 years after I bought it, thanks George!
As a Latinist, I have such a strong urge to make a mod that translates this whole game into Classical Latin for peak immersion.
It’s too bad I literally know nothing about modding games lmao, could be a fun project
Whatever they gave you for the A&E sponsorship, it wasn't enough.
The game was fantastic and deserves all the attention and money it receives.
Haha, love the Mary Beard shout out and the ad? Haha, the ad was actually a highlight, nice work :)
The structure of having to go around and find out who killed who in a town where everyone has their own personal schemes and vendettas, meanwhile trying to keep the peace seems to be heavily inspired by Pathologic. The way you talk to the townspeople too also reminds me a great deal of it. Pathologic and its rebootquel Pathologic 2 are great games, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's actually where they drew a good amount of game design ideas from.
I thought I was spoiled getting two uploads in two days, but then the ad break hit!
Well done on the song adaptation!
The "memes"....What are...the "Memes"?
As an aspiring History Teacher I'm going to just take this video an safe it for later! :3
The DNA of the Soul
This is what the Creation Club should have been, if it ever had any reason of existing.
...You wanted entire games from it? No one is gonna do that just so Bethesda gets to keep most of the profits.
@@Caidezes Not me. But that's what Bethesda promised. Paying modders to make better things than what was free.
@@guillermos8447 They do pay them. Up front. The Steam paid mods system was a way better deal, but the modding community threw a hissy fit about that, so the creation club is what it turned into.
fun fact "men who lay with men" is "men who lay with boys" in the original Greek
I know where you heard that from (traces back the translation of a Greek word through different translations where it _is_ pederasty) but it isn't actually particularly relevant to the original text as the actual original language is Hebrew and not Koine (Leviticus is a book of religious laws for Jews, duh).
The word in Hebrew actually _does_ mean "man" and the traditional reading has pretty much always related it to homosexuality. That said, I'm not an ancient Hebrew scholar and there is a suggestion among scholars that it actually does relate to pederasty as you suggest or even incest.
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes I was thinking of the letters of Paul where he talked about it
But at that time they'd still be debating amongst themselves how much of the old covenant needed to be followed so I shouldn't have assumed it was in reference to the letters in the game
Priests: *TUGGING NERVOUSLY AT COLLAR*
@@Walpurgisnackt Ah okay, I may have interpreted you wrong in the first place. I am kind of interested in whether people in the first century actually believed those verses had to do with homosexuality though.
The verses where people have assumed Paul is mentioning homosexuality are in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy. This gets into interesting territory with the date the game takes place in as 1 year after the Great Fire of Rome places it at 64 AD, which is about 10 years after 1 Corinthians is thought to have been written and _the same year_ Timothy is thought to have been written which is interesting. I think it'd be neat if the fact new texts were being generated at the time these Christians were worshiping was acknowledged in-game.
I love how intricate narrative games are becoming more and more prevalent, I hope we came with a kinder term that "walking simulator" though :' )
btw, this is the first time in months that I don't skip an included add
The exposed marble to paint ratio is way too much to the marble side. It’s fine, but it doesn’t really feel properly grandiose to me anymore.
After playing the game and finishing it you can kind of fit it into the lore. I would expect one of the characters to keep a few painted in the main street, but a lot of the statues are old and decrepit even for their time.
Wow 2 reviews in the span of 1 day.
"... So, like hieroglyphs, then?"
"Yeah exactly! Except they're not always created intentionally, sometimes they just sorta _happen..._ plus a lot of them fail and even the good ones can go out of style in like two hours... but some are kinda timeless. Make sense?"
Rome didn't really have an official religion though. They had a number of religions, but it was pantheistic and accepted basically any religious beliefs as long as they didn't actively conflict with the existing ones. Christianity's exclusivity was largely why it wasn't accepted, since bad events for the nation were associated with people not worshiping the gods properly. Since the Christians refused to worship any of the Roman gods, they were a target for it.
Granted, the persecution wasn't nearly as pervasive as is normally depicted, but it was bad immediately following the Great Fire of Rome.
Edit: Also, the homophobia associated with the story of Soddom and Gomorrah is a more modern thing. It's pretty clearly about the law of hospitality, where the people were evil towards visitors and so were punished.
Honestly, I get that they're not going to be entirely historically accurate, but it looks like they only have the orthodox/proto-orthodox version of Christianity in a time when there were a lot more. Especially in this context, you could probably have a Gnostic Christian talking about stuff like the evil of physical reality and how special knowledge is the only way for your soul to escape it.
the fact that acceptance of homosexuality made Bible's shunning of it, a mistranslation/"wrong interpretation"
heavily implies many more such cases that we don't know about and speaks volumes how inconsistent and loose it all is
Two Bunnyhop videos back-to-back after months of no uploads? We’re eating good today!
"All our citizens are treated the same regardless of the colour of their skin, or their sexual preference. Can you say the same?"
God damn.
Which wasn't the case at all for historical Rome. The idea of being gay or straight is a very modern concept and was completely alien to ancient Rome. To a roman you were seen as weak and effeminate if you were on the receiving end of gay sex, especially if you the person penetrating wasn't a citizen, however if you were the one giving the dicking (which included young boys) then you were seen as manly and dominating. homosexuals relationship as equal between citizens was massively frowned upon, but man-boy love was seen as acceptable, pederasty was a common practice for the time. And while persecution by skin color just wasn't a thing, presanction by other criteria very much was, even if you were a freedman or a citizen if you weren't born in Rome or even Italy then you had a hard time getting anywhere without being seen as a secdon class "barbarian". A lot of the writing in this game seems written by "those" kinds of Rome fans, the kind that love to whitewash history and to dog whistle authoritarianism.
@@commandernomad2817 I didn't know about the social dynamics of Roman sexuality, appreciate the info, it's interesting and makes sense for Roman society.
I was aware that Rome had minimal consideration to race and largely discriminated upon cultural lines and religious lines, with greater acceptance than any form of discrimination today, but it was such a pointed jab that it's entertaining. Though I've met the kind of people you're talking about and they are a pain.
I can't speak for the game's writing having not yet played it, but it makes some sense considering the speaker is supposed to be a devout patriot of Rome who likely is blind to the empire's flaws. Hopefully there are characters that show a more nuanced picture that bring the flaws of Roman society to light as much as the game seems to portray its strengths.
@@commandernomad2817 I've so rarely come across that (basic) level of nuance outside of the ivory tower, unfortunately. It's definitely an important point to make, though, and one that a lot of pop culture classical "history" references totally ignore (I assume through ignorance, but possibly because it's less interesting to the masses?)
It wasn't easy to get citizenship either. People tend to look at these contemporary social issues and then relate to a historical entity like it's one static period. Ask yourself how much has changed in the American republic over the last 50 years, or even 200 years, and then compare that time scale to the entirety of "Rome" and understand that these ancient cultures were not static or confined to one simple city. It's reductive and false.
Upon playing the game to completion, historical accuracy doesn't seem to be the focus as much as the video would make it seem, it's more of a convenient setting with blending cultures and beliefs than it is supposed to be a walk through an accurate Roman town with accurate first century people.
That said, it is a really well realised setting, just, historical accuracy isn't something I'd judge the game it against. I'd put it between Hades and Assassin's Creed in terms of historical emphasis, it's not a core principle of the game. Which might be surprising given the emphasis of the video (To be fair, the developers have encouraged content creators to be on the vague side so it's understandable). It's more important for the game to make you feel like a time traveller than to feel like you're walking through a historical setpiece.
Judging by what's in the video I have a hard time believing the writing is on par with Disco Elysium. Still looks pretty interesting/worth a play though.
i dont think any game will come close to the writing of disco elysium in our lifetime, unless they release a sequel
Open note to all devs: If the facial animations aren't on death stranding level of quality, then don't zoom right in on an npc's face when talking to them.
Played this on Game Pass a couple of days ago, and damn did I love it. Such a great story with more than one "holy shit" moment.
I actually kind of preferred this to something like the Outer Wilds when it comes to the time loop mechanic. I never got frustrated having to try a puzzle several times because I died or ran out of time, and once I had done something, I never really had to do it again because I either already had the object in my inventory or I could tell Galerius to do it for me. It kept the story moving forward at a steady pace.
So, the main character doesn't even know what memes actually are. That's unfortunate.
Okay, this has caught my interest. Screw the gameplay - this writing needs a reading.
woah two videos within a month period is giving me whiplish
Saw this game on steam and it seemed interesting. Can't wait to try it.
The legal and philosophical debates in the game feel real, because they are real. The whole thing was written by a lawyer with a fascination and lots of reference material to Ancient Rome. He also contacted someone who has been excavating Pompeii for over 20 years, and another expert on ancient Rome from Oxford (who is an avid gamer himself apparently). They were involved in trying to make things as historically accurate as they could within context.
this was one of my favorite games of the year. really cool to see a bunch of youtubers covering it recently.
"No one called an experimental mod that wasn't astroturfed by shitty journalists a walking simulator. That started a few years later."
This is the kind of 200iq take I stay subscribed for.
I'm really glad I didn't play the mod and get to experience the story as a full release. However, I think I'll go back and play the mod afterward, just for kicks.
it seems the mod is very standalone, apart from the main twist...hmm, no, theres still the big WHY, given the mod takes place in very ES-centered setting so obviously no roman influence = so WHO is cursing the skyrimites? as well as no memes and no purple carrots. but there is one delightfully shocking thing they managed to sneak past the censors. well. the mod is delightful, the thing, not so much for the ones involved. it made my post my only review on nexus is what im saying.
-someone who has played the mod but not the game
Mad props for the Mary Beard shoutout!
The Adam and Eve ad is giving me war flashbacks of Griffin McElroys Extreme Restraints ad
What's this? A SECOND Super Bunnyhop video in two days? Are alright there, George?
Honestly, I really liked the face animations in this game. For 80% of the game you will be listening to people, and while this could have been done with static images of different emotions like in dating sims, the game gives you a really pleasant experience of watching a character talk to you. You can see their emotions change as they switch topics, sometimes big comical expressions sometimes very subtle. Also I think many of these people are really pretty :3
No of course this is no AAA Last of Us or FF7R quality, it isn't acted, it's probably not even scripted, it's generated. And for that I think it's kinda cool.
I just finished this game and got the best ending. *It's excellent and I recommend it 100%*
I'm pleasantly surprised that I'm surprised by the fact George put out two videos in such a short time frame. The productivity is spell-binding. Almost makes me want to stop youtube and return to my uni readings.
Yeah after one more video though
Two videos in two days??? Is this the true power of Eddie?
The offer was already fantastic but the SONG my GOD that was amazing.
Man, if Kotaku said "looks like Bethesda made it" about my mod I would just delete it.
Glad they didn't though. Even if I didn't love love love it as much as you did, it was still incredibly engaging and funny for the 10-15 hours I put into it.
10:08 I'm surprised he didn't use this bit of footage to transition to the Adam and Eve ad
That flavour text about carrots missed that it was the Dutch who cultivate orange carrots as a tribute to their Stadtholders, the House of Orange
You're still reviewing? Thank God! Please post more!
After your song at the end I expected a thundering „THE MANY SHALL SUFFER“.
Great game btw. My personal Goty. Hit all the right buttons for me
Do you get to side with the romans in the persecution of christians? Like, if that makes sense for the character you make.
Who would want to do that anyway
@@NeverSaySandwich1 people who were persecuted by christians after rome fell.
I picked Thief for the fast running and I could still read the graffiti and get tidbits
Everybody got infected by Bo Burnhams latest show, and I freaking love it
Thanks to you I discovered Outer wilds and now this game too, two of the most special video game experiences for me in the past couple of years! I guess I have a thing for timeloop mystery games where you explore the ruins of an ancient civilization and try to piece together wtf is going on 😀
I'm deeply disappointed you didn't cut in a clip of Monsoon's infamous line about memes during the end credits.
This mod has the best voice acting for any bethesda game mod for even now.
it is confirmed. George died and insurance kicked in so someone is finishing his unfinished projects. RIP in peace George [*]
This looks like Fallout 4 mod, not Skyrim. Models, sprint, overall pristine look are clearly from that game.
Oh!? You mean thé Creation Engine-look? ;-P
In hindsigt, it's not at all surprising that the best sponsored blurb ever put in in a YT vid would come from George. And I am of course thrilled to see the noodle shot return.
I know there's evidence of painted statues in Rome but isn't there debate about whether it was all statues or not? I feel like that makes the depiction of Roman art in this game probably the best we've seen before.
The historic consensus is that pretty much all of the statues were painted. Statues of important people were especially painted to show off their wealth or their rank (usually indicated by a purple stripe on their toga to indicate that they were patricians)
They definitely painted much more than is painted in the game, and to the extent that it likely would have looked quite garish to our modern sensibilities
Okay, I don't usually actually watch the sponsored section, but that reference to "Welcome to the Internet" was great.
You did show the Adam & Eve bit after showing us a phallic charm and mentions of Roman orgies so the tonal whiplash isn't even that big!
Wow, Eddie is really doing wonders for this Dad’s release schedule
Congrats on two videos back to back lmao. Loved the Forgotten City - really stuck the landing in a satisfying way.
Two videos one day apart? You spoil me Bunnyhop.
......its the mongols isnt it? the DID conquer all the way to great britan during the time of the romans, and rome fought numerous battles against them, the women warriors among them were the "sythians" and gave birth to the legends of the amazons, and they had such mastery over both horses, and archery (both the men and women) that most were only ever really seen from a distance, on horseback, killing from a massive distance, when running away from these "beasts" that seemed as though they were "one with their horses" you can see how they also gave birth to the myths of centaurs.
800hrs into Hunt: Showdown and now george provides me with a new game to love.
"...first-person Disco Elysium.." ok im sold
Nice Bo Burnham Cover on that Adam & Eve Ad, wish all ads were that creative, then people might actually watch them. The game looks very cool, I played the mod back in the day and was very impressed by the writing, especially because there definitely were a lot of very well written story mods for Skyrim, and still it stood out. I love that they actually did the work and made this a "real game"
In 2000 years when they'll be making edutainment video games about the mystical past, there will be holographic representations of the noodle footage.
George, you could've just told us you also like Bo Burnham... You didn't have to sing it at us 🤣🤣🤣
"looks like bethesda made it"
that's fucking brutal
Could you do a video about UnderRail?
That bo song at the end was unexpected gold
Watching the Senator explain why he thinks Rome is the best is the most patriotic I’ve literally ever felt and it’s for something that no longer exists. Except in our hearts.
But what's the AUSTRALIAN Writers Guild really worth?
So you're just not gonna talk about the fact that a white supremacist conspiracy theory is the answer to this game's central mystery?
Do you think you could elaborate? Thst sounds... not *great*. I tried looking into it but most discussions are just about the mod.
It goes full ancient aliens
@@ActingNT Oh, yikes.
Sounds like a great exaggeration
Indie dev success is great. I hope myself to do what I do here on the side, become a chef, and make a game on the side one day.
So did anyone ever found out where that noodle sign is in real life Tokyo? It could become the next landmark or something ^^
2 videos in 2 days, what a blessing
2 George videos in 2 days? Is this Christmas?
Two videos one after another!? It's Christmas in September!
cant believe he made that TYPO in this bideo
Huh, just last week I was wondering if there were any Oblivion-esque first/third person actions RPGs based around Graeco-Roman, or any other real life, mythology, and why they weren't more prominent. Now this doesn't seem like exactly what I had in mind, but still interesting, none the less.
Imagine a Bethesda game with this type of writing.
For the record if you like this stuff you really should check out The Solus Project !
Wait a second. 2 reviews uploaded within 2 days? Is internet gonna be great again?
Eddy the dog is helping George reach new levels of productive and health! We love you eddy and George!
What with "discreet" and meat beating and "ho ho ho ho" there's a distinct Zappa sort of thing going on with the sex toy song
If you want a high level narrative overview of Rome from Romulus to Romulus (753 BC to 476 AD), I recommend Mike Duncan's History of Rome podcast. He doesn't have as much about Roman daily life or culture compared to Mary Beard (but he does have a few dedicated episodes), but the story is still well told, and it's fun in the rhythm of future major players getting minor references while old citizens we've been with for a few episodes are leaving the stage. Reminds you of how life is just a continuous thing rather than a simple story.
Two uploads in one week? Might have to get a Tenga Egg or something with your sponsorship!
Very interesting game, very interesting perspective and last (but not least) the best sponsor read ever. Congrats on all your work and the Dad & Son's podcast in particular.
Wow! I wonder how much editing Eddy is doing? Probably a lot
I was already interested in this game, but you left me salivating. Great review!
The Biggus Dickus reference was gold, hahahahahahahaha
Is it just me or does the premise sound like Roman Inuyasha, minus the romance?
Wouldn't it have even more romance though 😉 "lectori salutem" etc etc
or fun
"Walking simulator", damn that's a nasty description for a game.
oh my fucking god not the noodle thing NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LMAO
A video on the connection between real roman-greek mythology and The Elder Scrolls would be neat.
And while I know this channel is about video games I would not be opposed to a few videos on real life history showing us the interesting "lore", even if it just scratches the surface it could be a neat introduction or a nudge towards a good starting point.
I've been getting into "real life lore" myself for a while now, but there is so much to dive into it's overwhelming.
Yeah, great idea! Kinda like the the Soul Calibur video.
This actually looks really interesting, thanks for showing us.
DOUBLE FEATURE BAYBEEE you have been greatly missed king welcome back
Two Super Bunnyhop videos in as many days!? Christmas came early this year.
Thank you for putting out two vids in such a short time! What a treat, as always