Nikon D4 vs Canon 1D X Shootout
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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Is this the camera battle of the century or just the flavor of the week? I went ahead and pitted the Nikon D4 with Nikon 70-200 2.8 VRII against the Canon 1D X and 70-200 2.8 IS II in a skateboarding shootout.
As always my is not to test cameras in a studio but take them out in to real world shooting situations and run them through their paces. These are the top of the line offerings from both Nikon and Canon along with their newest 70-200 lenses? Who do you think will win, will there even be a winner?
Starting out I wanted to make it clear that I have long been a Nikon shooter which means I am very familiar with how they work. I understand the focus modes, the shooting speeds and everything else needed for going out to shoot. With that said I had not had the Canon 1D X very long when I conducted this shoot out. I do wish I had more time to work with the Canon before the shoot but it is what it is. Please understand, I do not care which camera comes out on top.
The idea behind the shoot was to attempt to have as close to the same settings as possible form the Nikon to the Canon. I wanted to shoot with the same focus modes, frame rates and focal lengths. Of course in the real world with a moving subject not everything is going to be perfect but we tried our best.
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It's an interesting vid but like 99% of camera reviews the answer is "It doesn't matter."
Just pick one!
True, people just use it as an excuse for circle jerking and Gear Acquisition Syndrome. Oh look at me guys I'm switching to such and such brand after blowing $10k on current brand durr durr durr
Jared, if you end up shooting skating again, leave less headroom. You can get just as tight on the skater, if not tighter, without losing context and while making the trick look bigger. Most of your shots cut out the feature he was hitting, had a bunch of unnecessary headroom, and had him right in the middle of the frame. If you had framed him higher or even laid down on the ground when he was tre flipping over the last feature for example, you could have compressed more of the feature and the foreground in the bottom two thirds. It would have made him more prominent, made the trick look bigger, and would have made for an all around more interesting composition. A 70-200 can be an amazing lens for shooting action if it's done right, I'm an action sports photographer and I usually reach for a long lens when I can.
Anyway, that's just my two cents. I love that you actually had someone to help you understand shooting something that you didn't have experience in, and it looked like you had a damn good time.
70-200mm is too clumsy for skate boarding, especially this sport allows the photographer to get extremely close for his shots.
I don't think you've ever used a good 70-200 on good boy Jedi.....they aren't clumsy at all JediFarce .
David Gill i have shot both football and skating with my tamron 70-200 f/2.8, works great =) a bit slower than the nikon one but in the end i shoot more nature with it so i didn't need to spend that extra 700-800$ :)
David Gill I use a 70-200 all the time to film people on the ice you moron. Go to my channel. The difference between you and I, is that one of us actually knows what they're talking about.
But he can crop in it's better
So after enduring almost 20 minutes of an adult playing on a skateboard and listening to Jared's diarrhea of the mouth, I still have no fucking idea which camera wins the 'shootout'! Not even one shot to view. How lame is that? I think I've had enough of this I Shoot in Raw cowboy from the '70's.
Not one shot to view, are you kidding me? The shots pop up when they are taken and on the website the FULL RES images are there for you to pixel peep all you would like. Cowboy.
It's sometimes a good idea to look in the info section of the video. i always do that if i feel a review or something else from the video is missing. In most cases, a reviewer have a more in-depth review somewhere else. You speak of diarrhea, there is much of that in your comment, Dale. In my eyes the performance of each camera speaks for itself in the video. image quality; i bet both cameras produce great images.
Jared Polin
In order to counter-balance the commentary you received here, let me thank you for the amazing work your doing for photography fans. With all respect, from Belgium.
Still canon lead the race
MrKdr500 Well I would have, but you know how it is when you're passing the scene of an ugly wreck....you just can't help but look in disbelief how someone could create such a mess. Speaking of messes, how's your wife doing? Tell her 'Big Boy' (that's what she prefers to call me) says hello.
yes.
Actually that's a frontside lipslide because the back of the board is over the ledge
I agree with you.
I dont agree. But again leave some feedback as to what you think would be a better choice.
I agree.
Yo yo Jared! What about the backfocusing with the D4 like you said in your preview movie for the D4S? Was it solved here or what?
Critique is never a bad thing my friend, it means a helpful response to your work. It is never bad because it is meant to make things better. There is a huge difference between critique and insult. For an example: You should capitalize the first letters of your sentences. That was a critique, because it will help you. Here is an insult: "Your grammar sucks". It was an insult because it won't help you, but it will put you down. The assertion that people make that "critiques are bad" is false.
Had my first skate park shoot a little over a week ago. It was for a tv spot and it took about 12 takes to get the 3 teenage skaters to land their tricks at the same time. I was using the D800 with the 14-24.
I still can't understand how these kids are so awesome and relentless and virtually oblivious to pain not too mention so encouraging to each other. It was a truly awesome experience to see them at work.
Thanks for the vid man!
Very soon, I hope we can start taking orders again.
I probably wont do a ton of them. They do take more time so maybe I will.
No clue, its not something I worry about at all.
Because the Nikon and Canon versions are better than the third party lenses.
video starts at 4:07 btw
you can check out the scores over at DxOmark for both cameras. According to their thorough testings, the D4 beats out the 1Dx in dynamic range
Seems like you where using a relatively closed aperture. Isn't that to easy for the Cameras to perform well then?
Hello Jared, do you have problems with the greenish tint when viewing the screen?
Hey Fro, sad story, i bought a used Canon 70-200 f4 IS a while ago, so i don't have warranty. Now the autofocus broke, first it slipped through, now its reaaaally slow. Now i'm wondering what to do. Repair it? Will cost around 400-500€ probably, or buy the 2.8 IS II ? What would you do? I'm very sad to let that lens go, it's so great, and also light... I also thought of the Canon 300 or 200 prime, but i think it is not as practical. What would you do? Cheers.
What camera did you record this video? I'm from Brazil and would like to buy one. Thanks!
It's a canon 5d mark III
Hey jared , i've been shooting skateboarding for a good 7 Years and i can honestly say you did extremely well for something that you're not used to
Hi, if you have already signed up thank you. But in marketing new people see the videos every day so I am letting them know. Thanks.
Thanks! Good review! Can you do the same kind of review indoors, in a lower light situation? In my opinion the 1DX blows away the D4 for anything over ISO 3200.
hi got another question here I have been looking at the 5d mark 1 and 2 for a cheap second hand
was thinking if I do a wedding would need a full frame camera was tempted to buy a 7D canon body second hand for around £500 but I can also buy a 1d mark 3 it only has 10 megapixels it would be great for wildlife at 10 frames per second but with a crop of 1.3 is it any good as it does not seem full frame. any ideas thanks......
I was expecting some gaps or something, not long boarding over a double ramp.
Zephyr Productions So was I, but the boarder we got ended up with the long board. Next time.
Great comparison video...the ID X is a freakin machine gun!! FYI When you shoot skateboarders: people smoking weed and skateboards flying at you and your camera are both par for the course : )
Great video Jared, looking forward to the file comparisons :) I agree, both cameras are great. Pick your system and go to work...
If it exists its going to be the same exact camera so no need for a new review.
I used to use Minolta in the 90's until round 2005 and now have Canon. All important Canon vs. Nikon is said from 8:39 on. If I were to sell all my Canon gear today and pick up a Nikon I know I would still capture decent images and, more important, I would still have fun. That said I never thought that there is that WHOAAAA issue with any gear that works, but a trusted friend said "Go for Canon, there's a quite cool rebate and you won't feel a difference anyways" this was my way. Funny thing is that he used a Nikon at that time and still does. For what its worth in my opinion both are great companies with great products, this was something I never doubted.
But I can learn from this shootout: If you don't have wide lenses handy, you still don't waste your time in a skate park. I will not change my habit of using them there, but I didn't expect to like the 200mm compression at all. Now I have to say it is not as bad as I thought it would be.
Thanks!!!
I don't know man. I think a lighter lens lets you move around more and try different angles. Those 70-200 are kinda heavy when you could be walking around and trying stuff differently. Maybe a 85 might work here?
funny. 9:08 mark: "Ive got some verticals ... I've got some horizonticals ..."
Better in what way? I decided to go with D4 because it is a low light king. Tests have shown that 1DX has problem focusing in very low light. Also 1DX can't match the noise in low light. However, this doesn't mean D4 is better than 1DX. Each camera has different pros and cons. You must take these into consideration and decide which camera would work better for YOU.
Love the shoulder harness you used can I get info on the product? Thanks in Advance
Hi I think your show is ace,but would you do a show on older dslr I am only just getting into it and have bought a cannon 350d I love it but I don't no wot sort of lenses to buy,and filters,any help would be great from Alan in uk thanks
Second-hand Nikon 4D has replaced shutter from an approved dealer, still worth buying or shouldn't buy?
Great video! Could you show me how you set up AF config and AF area mode on 1DX to shoot these picture???
Hey, switching between a D3S, a K-5 IIs, and a T3i is not easy...
... Also, most cameras F*up in their focusing in a changing focal length, so how are they while zooming the lens?
Hey there jared I went this weekend tried to shoot a sport with the canon 7D 70-200mm ii I tried the ai servo I was wondering if you can make a video on how to properly use canons and nikons continuous focus mode. Ive been trying to find one but they dont really explain how to properly use it.
Hi Jared. Could you let us know what Custom Function settings you used for this shoot?
I am particularly interested in the 1D X settings. Thanks
I have 1DX and love it, but the 5DM3 and 7D are also great cameras as well. I'm sure if you did choose to go with the 1DX, you won't regret it, but it does have a steep price tag, that was my only regret. The 1DX uses the same 61 point AF system as the 5DMK3, so that will be familiar to you, but you also get 5 different AF drives scenarios that I am not sure are available for the 5DMK3. Rent one, I am sure you will love it.
If you were using the XQD card on the D4 would you think that you could continuously shoot until the card filled up with out filling the buffer first?
Jared, it would be amazing if you could review the Nikon d610 during a skateboarding shoot!!! I saw your Nikon d600 review at a high school football game and it was awesome! Please do a new d610 review!
Love when you post vids of you actually going out and shooting. Can we get a rapid fire critique this week?
mr Polin, I took this from yr website:"I did notice that the Canon files seemed to have a little more contrast when they were brought in to lightroom. As you know I love to make my files go boom with contrast and will take all the contrast I can in my files. I am not fully positive that this is the case, it just seemed that way visually to me. In the end it is still what you bring out of the RAW file that truly matters".
What is the idea of this loading with contrast? Thank you.I like the non-tripod approach, by the way.
I gotta give it to you. You are dedicated to what you do, you listen to constructive criticism but stand your ground as a professional but most surprisingly you are active in a sense that most "youtubers" aren't by replying to a ton of comments.
+Respect
Eric should get into a different sport.
He is riding a longboard and a cruiseboard, and thats hard, belive me. So i think he's a legend on skateboard.
Amazing video Jared, that's the kind of video that I subscribed for ages ago!
I would have to see some low light testing. I have read that the Canon has a bit of trouble seeing in the dark.
all the canon cameras have that problem :/
@@playerwii64 no they don't. My S95 point and shoot does it no problem.
Hi Jared will we be getting a 70d review?
Good to see you going back to your roots.
I like them.
what do you guys think of camera like the canon SX 50 HS and Looking to get a T3i for my first DSLR
Crazy cool skate park by the way! Where is that?
hey fro, do you go to shuel on shabbas?
Jared will we be getting a 70d review any time soon?
Great job Jared. Keep up the good work. Don't let some of the hater comments below bother you. I had the 1DX and switched to the D4 recently. They are both excellent both are better in some areas than the other. One thing I love about the D4 is clean HDMI out and headphone jack.
i wish this video was longer. Great vid Jared. Is there any way you could do more comparisons between these two, but with different sports? Like football or something. Or do more comparisons in general?
It honestly doesn't bother me.
I think his point was that if you used a Tamron (for example) on both bodies, it might be a better was of testing which body performs better with AF since the lenses are identical. As this test stands, either the Canon or Nikon lens maybe faster than the other in terms of focusing speed which would affect the outcome of the test on the bodies themselves.
Ciao!
I'm planning to buy a new dslr. But my problem is that what brand I will choose. I'm just 19 years old and a beginner but I love photography all of my life. Can you suggest what brand and what type of dslr can you prefer. Grazie mille!
It depends on when you will get the camera and what is your essential requirement. If you want to buy a full frame camera now nikon would be a much better choice because almost all nikon cameras use newer and more advanced Sony sensors. Some say that canon will release some much improved sensors in 2016, but you'll have to wait months before they become available. Speed and af wise canon is slightly better at this moment, (1dx 61 points 12 fps, 7d2 65 points 10 fps). In 2016 nikon will release a 173 point af sensor for the d5 and canon will also make a 100+ points one, and the difference will be minimal again.
Nikon: better image quality at this moment
Canon: faster af and drive speed at this moment
Mark Dacquel In my three years of photography, I've been settling rather good with my Canon T3i, it's a great camera to begin with and to just mess about with the functions and also really idiot proof to take those stunning photos for you, I've had some great bokeh moments with it, give it a try!
+Mark Dacquel sony a6000
This is a really good video. I like the format of "Here's the gear, let's compare side by side in something you might actually use it for."
Do more of these if possible, please.
You can go look at every single file I took with both cameras. They are posted on flickr and you can get to the link form my web site.
I have been subscribed to you a long time and boy you are so good! I really enjoy your videos. You are a awesome photographer and a great talker/youtuber.
Great shooting. Can you try long exposure shots with them next?
Nice shoes Jared,wich brand is it???????
there asics
As some people have mentioned I would like to see side by side comparison of images from the two cameras. I really wish Jarod had done that.
Looking forward for the second part of this shootout! Great real world demonstration, definitely much better than the boring tripod tests that most guys do.
How many stops of dynamic range do either of these have? Are there any comparisons?
Thanks
I loved everything in the comparison. My only issue is the still dead set stance skaters have on using wide angle glass. I think the longest lens I ever see at skate parks is maybe 70mm's on a 24-70mm. Every time I'm out shooting at parks I'm the only one with fast primes above 35mm's and long tele's. Sure I'm half across the park shooting but I'm creating a different image than everyone on the ramps with their 16-35mm's and 10-20mm's.
Thanks Jared, really enjoy watching these kind of comparisions! :)
16mm fisheye, Canon's 8-15mm f/4 lens (or the older 2.8 version) , 16-35mm , 24mm prime,35mm prime, 24-70 (but I wouldn't ever use that on my skate shoots personally) and the 14-24mm which is a great option.
did u edited the shadows in the pictures?
12:00 When the Reefer madness begins haha
Interesting you say that because the top skate photographers in the world use medium format. So I don't buy into the whole "focusing speed" and frame rate arguments. It's about anticipation and knowing what you are shooting (and composition) that's the key to skateboard photography.
Lol, i wont be getting a d800 any time soon. I am still borrowing one from nikon but only for video.
Been shooting skateboarding since i was 12, so roughly 10 years, from video to photography and everyone I shoot they never give up. and when they do the do it one more time and nail it.
great video jared. like it alot. i really like to see from you a 5 min photoshoot video using these two camera's in the same video side by side to see whitch one does the best job in a 5 min photoshoot video.
Great video and nice shots, Jared! I'd love to see more of that!
Do you think you will make the switch to Canon?
jared you are very good but please make the reviews like michael the mentor, straith to the point ,A/B side by side comparison in every aspect.
hey is that philadelphia??
Thanks for the video. I'm going with the Canon. Not because the Canon is so much better but because I have Canon gear already and like the color. Nikon and Canon are both great systems.
you are awesome, dude! glad i found your channel since im just beggining at photography
Still, Atiba and Burnett don't use telephoto zoom lenses and for a good reason. If you know how to shoot skating properly with the wide lenses you'll get far better images than you ever could with a zoom.
covers head from direct sunlight. also curls as opposed to straight hair acts to cool down direct heat.
he´s the black session filmer from tony hawks 4 :D
benjamin w that was atiba jefferson dude
Saying 70-200 is a terrible lens for skateboarding is just plain wrong. While the majority of my work is done with a 17-40L on full frame, I find going tighter can really help. At the same time, its easy for people to shoot wide and not get close enough, especially when you make the jump from UWA to true fisheye, you end up leaving too much empty space in the frame. For those saying get a better skater, this is merely a test, I wasn't expecting Josh Kalis; Fro isn't Atiba or Burnett.
props to the person who had to edit all those photos into the video!!
how is the fps when you shoot multiple exposures?
Why wouldn't you be able to? You can utilize wireless triggers to set off flashes off camera. :) I do with my D5100.
Excellent video. Wish I could afford either of the cameras
Hey would like to see you shooting with a beginner DSLR like a Canon 700D/older or a similar Nikon
I have done it, even posted one from a Nikon D3000.
Ok think i missed this will watch it later. btw like your work.
Jared Polin I just got a canon 1000d as my first DSLR. How is that for a beginner DSLR?
The debate wasn't never about what shoots best Skateboarders. It was about what is the pinnacle in the DSLR market right now aka D4 vs 1DX.
Medium format photography is in a whole other game in terms of cost, production, etc. You could use Large Format photography while you're at it. It doesn't matter if it's that kind of look you're going for.
People have been using Red Epics and Dragons too, still an even smaller sensor.
Hi Jared,
Thanks for your continued info.
Regards, Baz
jared your production value has been fantastic as of late. Good job!
If you have Netflix, there's a bunch of great documentaries on some of the innovators of skateboarding. Some of them are really awe-inspiring.
Jared would never make it as a skate boarding photographer. He's mistaking hockey for skate boarding, you're not going to be using a long range lens to capture the action in skate boarding as you would with players on the ice.
Sometimes using a longer lens in any sport (to include skating) makes for a better photograph, than shooting wide, although I'd rather usually be up close to the skater, with a 17-35 f/2.8 on the camera most of the time. However, there are some rare times in this context where I'd rather use a longer lens for more compression and subject isolation.
What lens or approach is best is totally dependent on what results the photographer is seeking to obtain. There is no such thing as a right or wrong lens.
yeah the photos are pretty boring. it also doesnt help that the skater is only coming like 3 inches off the ground.
Great shootout Jared :D
filling the frame pictures were way better than wide!
Can you do photo shoots on cameras like d3200?
totally agree with you mate, great idea