Spiritus System LV119 : Innovative Modular Plate Carrier at a price
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In this review, we dive into the Spiritus Systems lv119 modular plate carrier in an attempt to see if modular really is better
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The Spiritus Systems Lv119 allows you to pick and choose various components from front plate carriers to rear carriers to multiple cummerbund choices and even your shoulder pad preference. These multiple choices allow for a ton of different combinations to fit your various mission needs. But there can be some snags and some gear is rarely, if ever, available. So while there are a lot of choices for each piece, finding the piece you need can be extremely burdensome and can sour the customer experience fairly quickly
The front plate carrier options include the OVERT plate carrier and the Over the Beach (OTB). The top of the front carrier uses Velcro straps with no quick disconnects. The lack of any quick disconnect would make this carrier particularly dangerous in any water scenario so I stuck with the OVERT plate bag.
The OVERT bag has two rows of top molle that can be used for your personal devices if you’re looking to connect via ATAK or CivTAK (get these, they’re super fun). Also on the side is an area to connect up your push to talk or other comms devices.
I set up my SomeWear labs here so I had both off-grid communication and off-grid ATAK team integration. The front bag also includes a hidden area underneath with swift clips and a channel that runs inside the carrier to hide all of your communication wiring.
The rear plate bags include the OVERT, Over the Beach (OTB), and Covert. As the covert also really nothing and the OTB has some alarming safety concerns, I went with the OVERT. Along the back of the OVERT is a small segment that seems to be designed to add a drag handled later. But no drag handle is included nor offered for this carrier. (Huge concern number 2 for duty use).
The rear of the bag also has one large segment of hook and a single stitched band of molle. There is no full rear molle panel. The full panel is sold separately and is the only way to get your OVERT rear bag to connect in most standard gear (MOLLE connections).
On the rear back are also two zippers but the zipper design is proprietary and will not connect into any standard zipper system (CRYE, HRT, Grey Ghost Gear, TYR, etc).
Moving onto the side cummerbund there are a variety of options and we settled on the tubes design to give some quick detach functionality to the carrier. The cummerbund offers no side plate bags and the side bag and cap have to both be purchased for both sides to accommodate side plates.
To attach the cummerbund, you have to weave in and out a cord of bungee to keep the cummerbund held in place. Due to this design, you often have to weave and re-weave multiple times as you get the sizing correct to your body type.
After we got all of the carrier together, we went into our tests of the LV119.
Hopefully by seeing the Spiritus System LV119 in detail, you are more educated on your purchasing decision on if this is the right carrier for you.
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The side plate caps are for larger side plates. If you read the description it tells you that.
I own an LV-119, I think overall this was a pretty good review, especially when it comes to the cumberband! Things have come back in stock more recently and a lot more aftermarket stuff exists now, so it's certainly easier to get the components now. Super comfortable carrier and love the modularity, but damn, it sure isn't cheap. Would definitely buy again if I had to, but you are right when you say that the fatal flaw of modularity is having to pay extra for every little component.
Concur, the out of stock mess may have just been temporary as it seems like they fixed it now. But man... It made the whole process so impossible.
And I think that's where a lot of the popularity came from... In that only the rare few could actually put it together.
Thanks for sharing!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo 2 years later and I mismatched a plate carrier and didn't know/wasn't told about all the other bs accessories required... also didn't realize their initials were SS until I watched this video so there's that....
Personal story with the LV119. I got the covert for work a while back and I’m very happy with it. It does exactly what I need it to do. It stays hidden and if I need it, it can evolve quickly to be a great platform to fight from. Now saying that, it was a super disappointing costumer experience. I ordered the front and rear bags and cummerbund and was super excited to get it in, I put it together and realized…it doesn’t come with shoulder pads…I genuinely thought spiritus forgot to send them. I called customer service the lady was super nice and informed me they are sold separately. So I had to wait 3 weeks for the shoulder pads to come in. Absolutely blew me away. But anyway LV119 for sneaky but fierce, HRT RAC as a daily fighter, and my warrior assault systems LPC as my long range comfort set up. I can’t complain.
Upvoted for 1000% honesty. Fully agree I’m annoyed by spiritus but they are the highest quality material/construction. Terrible execution/predatory system.
It seems to have gotten better but the customer experience is still bad. I couldn't even recommend the carrier to our own team. we had to snipe gear and watch emails for months just to get the stuff you saw. Absolutely ridiculous.
This carrier has a niche mission it works well for .. but not anything that 99% of the consumers will do
thanks for watching!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseConow almost everything is in stock! Very easy to grab stuff.
I bought one as well and can agree. For someone like me whose ex-Army and is used to the IBA and IOTV I thought this carrier would be a nice change for my civillian life. I'm fairly thin and always hated the bulky vests because I could never get a good cheekweld. That being said having never used a minimalist carrier before and taking the advice of others with more experience with these products I purchased a basic setup and found I needed to purchase more to figure out what I liked and didn't. At this point i have a several pieces i may never use and personally found the vest to be very uncomfortable. While pads would probably help I shouldn't have to sink more money into this thing for a basic level of comfort. At this point I've shlved the thing for very specific circumstances and chosen a first spear vest instead. Having tried one it handily beats the lv119 in comfort and since I'm too busted to be all high speed I'll run side armor as well. If I need the damn thing I'll mostly be static anyway or moving through urban terrain and the first spear rig works better for me.
I'm with you...I don't understand the minimalistic idea. It seems like something you'd want when you're in line for starbucks.
I did find I could get a good check weld though. I'm just too old and broken for the lower weight to make me any faster. I'm still slow. Give me a bigger carrier...I'll move the same speed lol
Thanks for adding your input and good to hear from a brother in the service!
-Walsh
It’s probably uncomfortable because you’re trying to make it something it isn’t. It’s a minimalist carrier meant to use light plates and light load. I never hear from most people that it’s uncomfortable. Let alone very uncomfortable
I'm gunna be honest I do love my 119 and I definitely understand the cons, but if you have the funds and patience I would recommend it (note there is a lot of 3rd party support that make misc. components for whatever you need, just not always made by spiritus).
I do agree with you. If you got the money and don't mind the shenanigans... It's a fairly good carrier.
The customer experience is just so bad with having to watch Instagram and all the other nonsense that I couldn't possibly recommend that to anyone.
And no one likes to talk about it but for a civilian, it's perfectly fine. For military duty use? It's missing required items that would authorize it's use.... Like shoulder QDs.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo or a Velcro tube cummerbund, that’s a no brainer to me. (The Velcro skeletal cummerbund, with tubes where the Velcro meets the Molle).
@@bblue651 concur. The current design has piss poor adjustment of the tubes it does have. It should be on Velcro like you said so it can be adjusted and then connected
Great honest review IMO
Appreciate it. As this carrier is quite popular, I'm sure honest feedback will ruffle some feathers.
Some people may really love the things that bothered me *shrug*
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo I almost bought it about 9months ago, but it was out of stock, surprise. Ill be watching that Agilite review for sure, and Id be interested in a review the Defense Mechanisms MEPC
@@wb7634 I got the agilite up on deck to review! I'll check out the other one you mentioned too
@@wb7634 I personally own the defense mechanisms PC and several of its modular options and I can say I am not disappointed in the slightest, gear is affordable and honestly pretty easy to use, I'd definitely recommend checking it out, I will add that it is not ideal for longer range ops, I would go with the agilite if you need something that will accommodate you on long range.
I agree with 95% of this review. I never could understand why this thing is/was so popular. I keep buying the latest and greatest and keep going back to my LBT 6094 with Tubes cummerbund. Going to try the Shaw Concepts ARC next.
It’s interesting because yesterday I tried buying the same plate carrier and figured out how difficult and complex is to setup your gear: stock missing all the time (Europe), molle missing, placard, etc. Buying all the pieces separately for me just doesn’t make sense, also the design is not nice. Tried to put all the pieces together, including the back bags and the cost went up more than $ 500. Amazing!!! I am running Agilite K19 with is extremely comfortable and potentially buying the JPC 2.0 or even the Airlite Chest Rig. Thanks for reviewing this plate care which is in line to my decision to not buy it.
I also concur on the comfort of the agilite k19. I'll be talking about that one and the crye spc very very soon!
-Walsh
I use whisky two four zipper conversion zipper on my Haley flatpack and the fit is awesome, flawless and cheap
I was looking at those too. The spiritus one was actually cheaper. It's just a bit goofy you gotta pay 70-90 dollars to have a functional rear panel. At least Spiritus Sells one now. I'd be willing to bet it was due to other companies like this filling basic carrier needs.
Thanks for adding some great suggestions!
-Walsh
You forgot to mention that they charge $15 for shipping. I have the placard, dangler, shoulder straps, 5.56 and pistol inserts, zipper pocket,
and half flap. I forgot to order the back strap because I was rushing and thought they would run out of the stuff I had in the cart. I waited over
a month for all the stars to align just to get what I got.
Yea... You gotta order each damn piece separate and pay shipping for each damn thing.
I was in the same boat. Finding one or two pieces each week.
Maddening...
It seems like their supply is better now so the customer experience may not be so bad.
Thanks for watching and sharing!
-Walsh
I have a lv119... i kept mine more minimalistic. Elastic velcro cummerbund, mk4 placard with inserts, over front, covert rear. Its a great setup that cost me around $400. I have Hesco 3810 medium sapis in it. It feels wonderful, the comfort is amazing.
However, I agree with this video. The piecing together the plate carrier is a pain in the butt. And for the price... well... its a little disappointing.
Total honesty, that’s why I love you reviews, and this is a great review with brutal honesty.
From what I see here, this so called “modular system” is just another way for them to make you spend as much $$$ as possible, I’m not down with that, that’s uncool, I will give this carrier a very wide birth.
On a side note....THERES MY PURPLE LIGHT!!!
Haha I rocked the light the whole review. I like to think that made the carrier better haha it's VERY manly.
And yea... For modular... It's very confusing. And why I added the price total. You can quickly get gobbled up and be 400 dollars into a carrier and not even realize it.
Thanks for all the badass support as always. Keep an eye out for the flashlight lol
-Walsh
I love spiritus and all but he has some good points
I have the Ferro and the Spiritus… it’s a really close call on which is better, but I would take the Ferro over the spiritus. Comfort and design is mainly why. I do think the spiritus MK4 micro chest rig is the best on the market though. I have one on my spiritus and my Ferro carrier.
Great points you earn a subscriber here. Had an Lv 119 overt for about 2 months sold it at market up prices. Got my self a slickster with the molle back and a FCPCv5 from Ferro Concepts and wow at least for me it was a great difference in comfort.
Interesting! I really did like the lv119 for the comfort. I did hear a lot of good things about the FCPC v5 and I'll have to snag one eventually.
Thanks for adding your input and some suggestions to try next!
-Walsh
This is such a great channel - Best reviews on the internet hand down on all the gear I love, including Ops Core and more. I actually own a fully kitted LV119 setup. But you caught my interest with the Agilite K-Zero. So I ordered one and will try it out this weekend.
Cool man, let us know how you like it!
- Jason
I tried both the Agilite K Zero (warfighters cummerbunds) and Spiritus Systems LV119 today and these are my impressions:
1. Construction and fit
The Agilite is surprisingly stable, rides very well and adjusts seamlessly on the thorax and on the back. The shoulder attachment system seems to help perfectly accomplish this task. The cummerbunds (warfighter model) secure very nicely and ride high up the rib cage thus providing ample space to clear mag pouches and other accessories that may be rising from the battle belt. The pads also provide some good comfort.
The LV119 on the other end seems to be more tricky to adjust for a perfect height, especially on the back, where it rides a bit low in my opinion (for a reference, I am 6.1, 185lbs with wide chest and shoulders and I wear a Medium).
The construction is also generally softer and the carrier can feel a little bit "flimsy" when not worn which is due to the lightweight minimalist construction.
On the other end, once you put the Spiritus System on, it feels solid. The slim and lightweight construction simply makes you forget that you have it on and weight management is surprisingly well managed for such a lightweight carrier.The lack of padding does not cause issues of plates digging in the collar bone. The slim profile also helps achieve a lower prone position.
While the cummerbunds ride slightly lower than the Agilite, they espouse the shape of your body in a more natural fashion than the rigid Agilite cummerbunds. This provides a rounder curve and the consequences is easier access to the pouches and various accessories you might be carrying.
So while the Agilite cummerbunds provide a more secure fit, I find the Spiritus to be more usable when on the field.
2. Shoulders
While the construction of the Agilite provides an amazing fit, the slim profile of the Spiritus' shoulder pads help achieve a faster and more secure shouldering of the weapon. I feel like this is a crucial element, especially in an assault scenario. This issue might be alleviated by using a slimer stock but I have not tried yet.
3. Running and jumping
Both perform well with a slight edge for stability to the K Zero. I feel like I was able to move a little bit better mainly because of the better body fit.
4. Breathability
The Spiritus, having no padding clearly provides better breathability.
5. Modularity
Both score equally as well here.
6. Cable Management
While the spiritus routing system helps achieve a cleaner look. I actually like the many options Agilite provides, especially when routing things like an external antenna to the backpanel.
7. Price
No argument here. Spiritus is expansive, nickels and dimes you and their pricing model is difficult to swallow (selling shoulder pads and mag retainers separately and charing for shipping knowing you will have to make several purchases since not everything is stocked at all time).
Agilite provide a competitive price and less hassle.
8. Conclusion
No clear winner. Both have their pros and cons. For a strictly assault scenario where moving fast and light and a lot of shooting is required, I would go with the Spiritus because of the faster shouldering and the slim profile that is barely noticeable. For an all around low profile carrier, I feel like the Agilite might be a better choice.
9. Special mention
I am dual israeli-american. The majority of my family has served in combat units in the IDF for the past 60 years up until this very day. I have every personal incentive to support Agilite which is a great Israeli company but I have to be fair. In my opinion, the Agilite doe not surpass the Spiritus. They are two different carriers with different purposes, the Spiritus being more a more specialized carrier for active assault scenarios and the Agilite being better as an all rounder.
Walsh - good review of the spiritus. Totally agree on difficulty level of the cummerbund. T&E’d this for 90 days for our company. Love the minimalist design but hated the cummerbund junk. Also didn’t like the elastic cummerbund - chafes via the top tabs when running (literally physically running, not the tacti-cool meaning used by air soft nerds).
Am testing the Ferro Concepts FCPC this next 3 mos.
One note, they lean more into selling to units/agencies. If we called and asked for X in multicam, they’d make it. Selling to individuals apparently means whatever is available.
Absolutely concur on the elastic tabs when not in use. I noticed those jabbing me but I did have a magazine inserted and just got used to the magazine poking me.
Curious on your thoughts on the FCPC. Had a lot of requests for that one too!
Dad, are you running a channel or just testing for work? Kick me over your stuff on Thinlinedefenseco@gmail.com so I can follow you too if you do reviews.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo it’s for our guys own internal use for deployments, etc. otherwise I’d sure do it
Yup I know the feeling when I first started piecing it together my lv119 for my black and multicam now I’m starting again in the ferros concepts fcpc v5
I heard that's even worse...any thoughts so far?
@@ThinLineDefenseCo so far I like FCPC v5 more then the lv119 it has a wider shoulder strap set up and they articulate from the plate bags, cobra buckle quick release and or o-ring bracket they lay flat and don’t impede you when shouldering your rifle. the elastic cummerbund are not great for the more padded guy but there assault cummerbund is gold. Easy set up with a flap in the back to change the cummerbund with any that use the Velcro attachment system like velocity systems, defense mechanism, etc… the back is laser cut. I throughly have enjoyed it I gave my lv119 to my sister that’s in the Army
ok I was considering buying this PC but I'm going to stick with Crye... thx for the honest review seemed like you had a really good time buying this lego set...
They have improved a lot for the shipping and ordering side of things. But this carrier hasn't seen any updates in years now and has really been left behind.
-Walsh
It’s hard for me to take anyone seriously that has the nut suck foregrip on their rifle - but he was right on a few accounts. (Ditch the foregrip dude)
The bcm or the ryker? While you may be trying to be special needs the ryker grip is very useful for veterans with shoulder and back injuries.
I don't care how I look if it helps them get back into shooting and raises awareness. Plus I support my brothers and what they do.
I'm also a moron shooting in my yard. No need for clout.
-Walshy pooh
Seems to me its better off getting a first spear set up. Although they have things that are proprietary with their attachments and stuff but if you have stuff thats molle compatible it will work on the firet spear carrier. Woth that said they arent cheap at all lol, from what I've heard they are a solid piece of kit. For the carrier alone the strandhogg v2 comes in at 600 bucks and their v3 is 40 dollars more give or take. It does come with everything all preset for you when yoy buy the carrier, has the cummerbund, the rear and front plate bags, all yoy have to do is pick the color you want and size thats all you have to do. The only thing i have from first spear is their two poijt padded sling and their old style tripple magazine pouch. Thats all i have from them, i do however love the sling its like the feeling of putting a pillow underneath a heavy pack. I dont know why a lit of compaines dont make two point slings with padding. Only ones that comes to mind that does so is t rex arms, first spear, and flatline fiber
I'd get Shaw or Javlin concepts long before any of those choices. The Shaw has some of the best padding in the business where the Javlin has the most slimline comfort. Both these carriers also aren't 3-5 years old too.
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo I will take a closer look at those two. Trying to find a replacement for my crye airlite SPC, it's a good carrier but what didn't like about it is that the adjustment for the shoulders isn't great, and the amount of velcro used on it my god man, just very loud noise. The first spear carriers has been on my bucket list for a very long time just never pulled the trigger on it cause of the price. Will definitely take a look at those two carriers
As an LV119 owner, I would love to see your take on the Gadsden Dynamics ALPC. I own one of these as well and prefer it in nearly every aspect.
I'll definitely have to check it out! Appreciate the suggestion.
Could not have enjoyed this video more. Thanks for the honesty.
All the items for the plate carrier are currently in stock in MC. As well most other companies are out of stock so kinda a poor example If you got Crye for example. They have weekly restocked as well You are also choosing a bit of everything nothing wrong with that but a basic carrier with a single cummerbund and trifold front overt and rear covert is 235 before taxes and shipping.
And an agilite k19 is 15 dollars less than the most basic build and fully functional...
The drip model marketing tactic is poor and punishes the customer. I own it just like you do and we both formulated our own opinions and having different opinions is extremely healthy.
I just find a lot of carriers do a lot more for a lot less.
good chat though!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Thanks agreed about talking, but I do just find some the points you made to be off point and just using them to get attention. When you look at a Crye and Ferro for the same items it all comes out to the same price point about. Currently the K19 is sold out as well.
@@GhostMaker00 well haha yeah, a bit of this is theatrics and having fun. It's certainly not the end of the world. It's a functional carrier
Well... Maybe not the over the beach one. That'll get you killed of you use that in water lol
@@ThinLineDefenseCo how so please explain?
@@GhostMaker00 there is no way to remove the carrier. It has no shoulder QD. If you had that in water and removed the side straps, you'd still have to lift it over your head to keep from drowning.
All the models would be pretty scary for vehicle duty use. You could get trapped easily with no way to get out of your carrier besides cutting it off.
Great review man. Thank you for saving me a lot of time and money
thanks for always supporting us man! it's amazing and I really appreciate it. Get the agilite k19! I got it on deck for review
@@ThinLineDefenseCo of course! Love the channel and love to support in any way I can. I’ve definitely been looking into the k19. Seems like the best bang for my buck. Looks really good as well.
Wow at least they provided the elastic and wasn't sold separately from the cumberbund
😆😆😆 they felt generous
The lv 119 is awesome.
Buckles on the shoulder make shouldering a rifle a pain at times.
agreed... if you don't need em for vehicle operations ditch em!
-Walsh
I'm actually running a mepc rear bag OD with a spirritus front MC. It's actually pretty badass
That's actually pretty smart! Then you don't have the bungee cummerbund attachment and you could do a full MOLLE back. I heard of folks doing a crye rear bag too.
why are there complaints about a company doing the SAME thing the crye AVS does smh that pc gets a ton of credit though. y’all gotta understand these are niche products not cookie cutter or line infantry/standard issue products.
Why do you only comment on spiritus systems gear?
I dog a lot of gear but spiritus guys seem very concerned about what I have to say about their products only.
And if they're niche products, mass producing them to civilians shouldn't make you be a snowflake if one nobody is confused.
❄️ ❄️ ❄️ ❄️
-Walsh
since the otb version has extra molle on the front maybe the haley stratigic hitchhike could be attached ?
Hmmm looking at it, it's certainly possible! I never noticed that small difference in the front bag. I may have to do a mish mash with like a cry spc.
I dig my Lv119
2018 was a good year!
Yeah I looked at Spiritus online for about two minutes and was so confused about what i needed to get and all the add ons and extra cost. I just got the k19 $279 shipped.
I like the k19 a lot! And the spiritus can do a lot of cool things... But damn is the customer experience horrible
Thanks my dude for putting this together
I’ve been doing research looking for what in theory will be my perfect plate carrier for short milsim skirmishes and this is definitely a no go.
The k19, javlin concepts a-jac, and defense mechanisms mepc are all top pics!
-Walsh
I understand where the con’s come from, but at least for me they aren’t as big of an issue.
Yeah the zip panels are proprietary but so are crye, ferro, velocity, and Eagle. I know you didn’t show it, but besides the price the assault panel is pretty sweet.
I’m not a huge fan of no MOLLE on the rear bag but it’s really a moot for me cuz I like the assault panel or a detached pack.
I don’t mind ordering it all separately cuz I like mixing camo patterns, but yeah it can be annoying if you don’t like that.
Right now over the beach and and maritime isn’t a huge issue for me so I’m not bummed about not having qds but if you like them I good on you
I think the spiritus and the JPC/SPC are the kings of the scalable size carriers, small enough not to get in the way of any of kit you need, but you can still load them down if you need to go longer
Sorry for the long message, enjoy y’all’s day
I know I just spamed a lot I do appreciate your reviews and time spent clearly I'm a spiritus fan boy
Great honest review and couldn’t agree more. Their quality is great…..but everything else just sucks. I’ll just keep sticking with my Mayflower APC.
Since you have said that you have bought Large size by mistake. What size you suggest for 6 3 height with 215 pounds?
The size of the carrier is based off the size of the plates. I run 10x12 plates but you may want 11x14 based on your chest size...the 11x14 will require a larger plate bag. There are a bunch of videos on how to determine your plate size and from there you can determine which size bag will fit those plates.
That help?
-Walsh
I have 10x12 duty plates. By the plates size it is Medium, and by my size it is Large that is why i ask.thank you in advance.
@@ervinm4641 it's odd because it says the 10x12 fits the medium... But I have a large and fits perfectly. I'd get the large to be honest but it wouldn't hurt to ask spiritus on their customer support. They're pretty responsive and won't lead you astray.
-Walsh
You should do one on the arbor arms minute man carrier loved the intel on this plate carrier
I have their cummerbund and love it. I'll reach out to them for the whole carrier after that one! The guys over at Arbor arms are super great too.
Theirs pricing is comparable to ferro both being 800 plus. A crye would be less, around 620 for setup like yours but without a placard because they don’t have any on their site right now.
I dunno. The crye spc setup I'm building now was a whole lot less than that. And it includes an eagle ergo. I'd also be hard pressed to say they're the same price when one is 25% more than the other.
Crye will take you FOREVER to get though. I think I waited 6 months.
I'll have to try the ferro eventually!
-Walsh
There’s nothing on the crye sight right now because it’s been down for god nows how long
@@calebmassey9991 sounds funny but buying from crye direct took me 6 months. I ordered from a dealer and saved 10% and got it in 3 days.
So... Don't order from crye.
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Looks like Apple practices are coming to tactical gear too... lovely
This is like a Cinema Sins analysis on the LV119 and I couldn’t turn away. I agree with your analysis on it after wearing one for a few hours, it’s just not for me at the price point. $350 for a PC with Tubes that doesn’t hold any magazines? I get the MOLLE cummerbund is “structural”, but I didn’t enjoy the feel.
Keep on putting together great videos. I’m staying tuned for the carrier shootout.
Haha sounds like I need to check out cinema sins. I gotta do a few more carrier reviews and then I'll do one big shootout video talking about all of them
So many carriers though lol
Have in the micro fight right now I really dig it. Did the MK4 integrate in any other of the plate carriers you had?
Yea! It does great. It's got some shorter straps so it'll need adapters on like a crye spc. Most others it's and works perfectly.
I'm running a Coyote tactical cummerbund designed for a JPC on my 119 so...
Not a big fan of the LV119, but this is like watching a video of someone doing zero research before shitting on it.
I'm not a big fan of this comment, but it's like not having any clue what this channel does on every day reviews and then shitting on it
lol thanks for watching
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo lmao, knew I'd get a cringe reply.
@@aceman1427 I can give you dad jokes instead. But you watched a video of a man in his lawn... Not me
2 years late, wanna know my secret? buy tan/coyote , no one like tan, get spray paint, boom, woodland
well damn it hahah good point!
good news is that nothing has changed or updated in ages so it's pretty easy to get them now.
-Walsh
This is probably why their chest rigs are more popular than the plate carriers. As far as minimalism goes they win that department with the smallest chest rigs on the market that get the job done
this is true, is is the thinnest but also the most obnoxious to purchase. I did a top 3 placard review and it took the bottom spot.
All the other placards came complete and didn't require weeks of hunting of the other required bits
so yes, it's good. but I don't recommend that horrible experience to anyone who is building kit.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo yeah so just the MK4 by itself has like very niche use for a tiny chest rig you can keep in a bag with an SBR
@@Jkp1321 absolutely absolutely agree. But the whole chest rig thing is super confusing.
You want to be in a fire fight without any protection?? A chest rig is what I would wear to escape a situation only.
It's just a weird use case for it. But yes... The Mk4 does it well
Just my opinion though!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo I think the civilian concept is minimal kit and high mobility. Something on the idea of avoid getting hit rather than worry about getting hit
@@Jkp1321 even with no weight, I can't outrun a bullet. I hear that logic but it doesn't make sense.
I absolutely want the carrier... And I can run!
But yes, for escaping a scenario and trying to not engage... Sure. But your mission would be to escape to your gear.
What do you think about that Ferro Knifenook? Any better than just tossing some adhesive velcro on your kydex sheath? Looking forward to a review.
it's pretty nice but if you had some good adhesive... you'd probably be just as well with that.
I'll show it off and I like it. it's a pretty basic concept. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been copied by 100 other guys.
By 4 mins. I already decided I wouldn’t own one. But kept watch for for the comedy
haha glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching!
-Walsh
I found everything I needed at once 🤷🏻♂️. Also the caps aren’t needed for the side armor, all you need is the side armor bags.
their stock issues have definitely improved and the issues I noted are now certainly dated.
but their popularity arose due to scarcity... not functionality.
now that it's not rare...it's another carrier.
-Walsh
Ranking a Condor quality carrier over a LV119 is kind of a joke. For duty use its perfect. On duty for LEO for example you don't need rear bags outfitted with combat amounts of gear. The Covert fixes these issues. Flat back and a similar front. Running a MK4 on the front is choice. They have cheaper options. In the realm of gear specifically quality gear you have to pay to play. $500 for a quality piece of gear isn't bad if you actually need it for work. Geardo's who buy it for the "revolution" or "Boog" are the ones who complain. Want to really pay some money start building out a CryeBoi carrier thats not a JPC. AVS,CPC etc. will cost you upwards of three or more times the cost of a LV119.
I have a SPC. It's half the cost and I didn't have to watch Instagram posts to try to buy one.
The carrier is marginally useful but the customer experience is the worst on the market.
Thanks for watching!
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo I can understand the customer experience being bad, ranking gears effectiveness on the constraint of purchase isn't really how it works. SPC is a decent carrier but follows suit on needing to purchase other things before its functional. Great review makes good points for sure. But the gear itself is great. lasts through the suck.
I don’t know exactly but I’m pretty sure other kinds of cummerbunds will work at least the one that I run on my plate carrier looking at it I’m pretty sure it would work I’m 90% sure they tried to make their system proprietary but they failed Which is hilarious and it’s own right
This video is about someone that wants a $500 PC setup for $100 mentality
Well I have carriers that cost half that are twice as good. They start with cr and end with ye.
You'll pay just as much for crye as you would for ferro or spiritus in the end for the same amount of modularity. The difference is the path you take to get there. If you're just larping then get a JPC 1.0. if you want to run a micro fight or haley kit you'll have to buy additional adapters to use on a JPC with the money you saved on buying a cheaper carrier.
Crye is good but spiritus and ferro improved on design and function.
@@jasonbasonbobason I don't agree. The spiritus has no drag handle, no shoulder QDs, hell...even the rear molle costs you 80 bucks.
I have not played with the FCPC but the LV 119 is not something I would recommend.
I am certainly not the end all be all. But for the every day man....no.
heck for military use...no
Can u make a video on how to attach a back panel to a ferro concept slickster
I don't currently have a slickster unfortunately. Perhaps if we do Ferro products in the future I can do that.
I ordered it last night, I’m afraid to watch
Haha I just try to give you the most knowledge to make the best purchase. If you already ordered haha you've always gotten past the painful part
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo they actually had every bit in stock, even the inserts and flaps for the mk4
@@CRinJersey they did! I'm hoping you scooped all that up. I even considered buying a mcb carrier to match my other placard but I just couldn't justify it
Spiritus makes excellent products when they are in stock, but they are overpriced even for the quality. I think their chest rigs are where they shine, and they should either move to seeling the plate carriers as complete kits or stop selling them as plate carriers at all. Maybe a medium would be a "discount" per item bought as a part of their kit building section of the website so that they can still sell them as full priced individual pieces but for the average joe its a complete set up for (much) less. The pouches are great innovations (the JSTA and mutant pouches in particular) as well as other nylon products (the pengolin flap, thing 2 as a chest rig base, split rig, etc are excellent) but they need to lower the prices but just a few dollars and get better contracts with their color providers however that works. I get industry wide issues with certain patterns, but spriritus is one of the few companies with consistent stock issues even today.
I always wonder if out of stock is part of the marketing strategy. Being unable to meet production just doesn't seem like the smartest business move.
Plus you gotta understand how gov't contracts work. The gov agency gets commited to paying MSRP. So they don't dare lower it or the contract price goes down. So that's why you have these sky high tactical gear prices.
-Walsh
how comfortable is this thing compared to an AVS? I love the avs harness system. nothing else like it.
Glad I saw this vid before I bought this, love spiritus systems but it’s true everything is always out of stock and man do you really pay a premium for it
Is the velcro attachment between the front and rear bags a concern at all? I feel like it wouldn't be that solid of a connection especially with all the weight pulling on it
It never remotely came loose and had that thing absolutely loaded up. The shoulder strap covers also prevent it from going anywhere. Now...would it come apart if you used it like a drag handle?? ...yea probably. Why they don't include that..I don't know.
like I get a lot of the things you're like trying to push as issues, but like the tegris molle back is legit better than sown on or laser cut back panel like ferro does.
this is a great video. mad props
I mean to be fair about price a fully loaded AVS which is probably the best overt load bearing vest you can get is like 1400.
Sure but no one wants that unless you're like... The 249 guy. Otherwise you absolutely don't want that.
We see a LOT of carriers. Having 5-8 carriers fully setup for testing... I don't pick the 119 for anything. And it's the most expensive.
Your milage may vary but I'm pretty...Meh on it. Comfort is good but no duty use and it doesn't interface well with anything else.
When you have the option to setup anything on all the other carriers... Or that one setup on the lv119, you aren't really seeing the glow of it anymore
@@ThinLineDefenseCo The AVS in its single band cummerbund configuration is amazing even with a lighter load I would chose the AVS over anything if you're spending any where over 4 hours in the carrier. AVS > all carriers
I mean most carriers out there are basically some version of the lv119 in the world of slick carriers, AC one, slickster, Perroz designs.
I don't know how you define duty use or not but I have used the lv119 in multi day force on force training and its held up well spending 8+ hours a day in the PC. I'm not sure how you define duty use. It would be nice if you defined that for your reviews so that at least we can understand the criteria you use for what's suitable for duty for you.
and other than crye products it basically interfaces with most things my current lv119 setup I use a vxvconcepts grid to interface a ferro cummerbund ac3 with cobra buckles BFG pouches on them, Chroma tactical Clutch pouches on the inside of the cummerbund, a unobtanium gear placard, qore shoulder pads, the spiritus molle back with a crye 11x16x9, 2 first spear banger pouches, and the spiritus small GP. aka frankenstein's monster
Like I see you using the thing 1 and the plate carrier while like I guess you could technically do that I always thought of the thing 1 and 2 as expansions for the micro fight into a larger chest rig system not as an additional part of the PC
In the end most of the PCs outside the AVS that are available can get on the market are basically some version of a slick carrier.
Last thing I really just advocate for people to get something they can afford isn't by a shitty company and does what they need it to do. If spiritus isn't your thing no big deal just find the one that works for you. lv119 is great for me and the way I have it setup.
@@KayosWONER sounds like you work for spiritus.
Much love. Deuces
-Walsh
@@ThinLineDefenseCo ahaha with the amount of money I have spent with them, it would be nice
can you do this for crye and ferro ? would be awesome and very good knowledge
absolutely. it's in the works!
-Walsh
Man that price really stacks up.
you have covert overt and OTB there are three different ones to choose from
You never really need a back panel system anyways cause it’s already clean system to carry an assault pack/bug out bag. And you can use the Ferro concepts cummerbund with this system.
It’s the flex . Im afraid to admit it but it’s because we just love the drip even though I’ll just be high loot 😂💀🤣
Is it bigger flex when you sell it for goodwill prices?? Lol that carrier is long gone.
in terms of people trying to find stuff there is a great facebook group called The Spiritus Symptoms lots of people offload shit there if you're looking for specific parts or colors that are currently sold out.
also its kind of a lie to say the SPC is cheaper, if you buy an SPC it doesn't come with a cummerbund and or front flap so you have to buy both of those things then either a mag shingle or placard so you're still looking at like 340ish to get a complete SPC
The stock issues are probably one of the worst aspects of this industry. I hear that Spiritus is going to be better at keeping items in stock moving forward, but I'm hesitant to get my hopes up.
I HAVE noticed that their stock is actually available.
Would you recommend if I had 10x12 plates and I’m 5’9” about 190 pounds should I run a medium Plate carrier? Ty ty love the channel brother!
Ok so... The spiritus website says you only need a medium. But I don't get how the 10x12 fit perfectly in my large. I would confirm with them but I KNOW the 10x12 fits perfect in the large
@@ThinLineDefenseCo thanks for the quick response! And yeah I’ll do that, just got me wondering now if the medium pc will fit a 10x12 plate perfectly too, I was hearing there’s some wiggle room in a large but I guess that’s wrong
@@wukang7728 yea I'm not sure but you can see how the plates fit in my large... It was marked as a large anyway!
@@ThinLineDefenseCo ahh I see so when you said you got the large on accident would you have gone down or kept the same size?
@@wukang7728 I'd keep the same... Per spiritus it seems like the 10x12 would be a medium but I don't see how that would work. The large I had barely fit
I understand a lot of your points here but you’re nitpicking hard here. You yourself admitted that this was meant to be a minimalist setup, naturally scaling it up is gonna rack up the price. It’s meant to be modular (god I hate that I just used that word) and simple.
True, absolutely true. But without nitpicking, all the carriers are really just about exactly the same. I only dog on scaling it up because it's often marketed on how well it scales up.
It scales up super poorly and adding weight makes the flaws come out. So I say that as people can often be led to believe it can fill those roles but even in it pinch, it absolutely cannot (well maybe like 5 minutes or long enough to go "wow this is horrible")
Spittin Raisins has done a lot to fix their issues I had during this video but I'd rather spend my money elsewhere when there are so many other folks I'd rather support. Just my 2 cents though and I support whoever's gear is your favorite!
-Walsh
edit: this is also one of the rare carriers I sold right after the review also. Many others I have 2-3. I have zero of this one.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo That's fair, it's not a carrier that scratches the itch for everyone, but then again what carrier is? I think a lot of people who get this plate carrier assume it' the end all be all to plate carriers when really it's just one offering from one company across such a MASSIVE spectrum, and it may take someone a lot of tries to find the carrier that's right for them. Love what you do though, putting out gear reviews so damn quick and efficiently definitely gives people the ability to do less than a day of research to find what may be their preferred piece of kit. Keep up the good work!
Very helpful
Modularity today means you need to buy all seperatly and it will cost like twice as much as normal.
aaannnnnddd you're banned from their website
It's weird...I think they only let me see a fake website where everything is out of stock.
Love this review and your honesty with it.
Hah appreciate it. Apparently sharing your personal opinion makes a lot of people angry.
It's healthy we all like different stuff. This one is just too hard to recommend to the normal person.
Thanks for the kind words!
-Walsh
I love your reviews, but I still have yet to see anything better than the K19.
Hah it is good but some missions may not love it. Only the crye SPC and eagle ergo combo complete with it.
So basically it’s the apple of the plate carrier world?
Spiritus Systems is definitely one those brands that was designed for "cool guys" in the military. they're basically the HK of the gear world.
@1:24 what insert is that?
that's a spiritus Mk4 placard connected to a modified spiritus thing 1. You gotta cut the rear out to make it work as shown.
I'm working on showing how to do that but you just trim around the Velcro so it exposes the hook underneath.
Just buy an AVS for the same price. Best carrier ever.
ooohhhh you like the AVS over the Crye SPC? I got the SPC with an eagle ergo and that would be pretty damn hard to beat.
I’m all on board with you’re opinion… until I saw that forward grip. Then nothing you said matters.
lol the bcm? I don't even know what one this video had
Damn. I was actually somewhat interested in the cummerbund to run on my HRT, but even though I still think I could make it work, you just make me not want to support the company at all.
They wanted to "punch me in the face" at shot show too. They're the tip of the spear lol
-Walsh
Love the review man! I'm happy with my $70 carrier that I've had for almost 4 years and have had 0 issues with. Even if money was no issue I would never support these companies that price gouge for their "better" gear.
While it may be serviceable gear, it's odd that it's twice the the price of the gear that gets issued. It seems an extreme cost under the guide of modularity.
Banshee Elite 3.0?
Still have to add at least $50 for sales tax.
yes and I didn't comment on this. but also remember that none of the bits are in stock together. so they're all separate shipping costs.
fun!
-Walsh
Is ferro concepts next???👀
Hah I'd need to buy one... I'll add it to the list. Agilite k19, HRT RAC, crye spc, and aws ocpc are what I have currently to review.
I'll work on getting a FCPC v5
Tons of other companies make cummerbund for the spirit his systems 119 I feel you though their shits expensive and hardly ever in stock but their disclaimer for that is they supply military and law-enforcement units first what they have left is for sale to the general public 🤦🏼♂️
Well that's confusing because military units have safety and regulation requirements that this doesn't meet. 👊
@@ThinLineDefenseCo you should check out when they go live on Instagram check the backstory on them yeah they definitely make gear for units in the military and law-enforcement I’m sure you’re fully involved in military units right now so you would know My bad
That is of course just what they say I was always taught to believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see just relying what “they say” also they have a reoccurring theme of when they do a live video you can expect something is being released that was previously out of stock I feel like right now everybody doesn’t have the money that they did or everybody’s got for the most part what they need from them because tons of stuff in stock right now seems really weird for that Company
@@eastcoastflooring4624 they absolutely may work with some military units. The ones I know have specific requirements and agencies such as SOCOM have approved gear that has to have certain features. Like how cobra buckles on belts aren't authorized.
I'm sure they have some teams working with them though. I also noted that their stock is TONS better and it would certainly make the customer experience not quite as horrible as it was.
Overall though, I can't recommend that experience or that cost when there are so many other options available.
The lv119 fits a very specific niche and it does it well. It's just that 99% don't do that mission.
-Walsh
The LV199 sucks. Had it for a few months and then ditched it for another Velocity Systems Scarab
There are certainly some parts that make it very frustrating and a "not recommend" for me. We all have our own favorites though.
I've heard the velocity scarab is good! I want to try one eventually.
-Walsh
One of the worst things is that you have to become the CEO or Head of Marketing of Spiritus to figure out exactly what you need. It’s insane…
I think I’m probably going to keep my Agilite K19 and add a few things to update it. You know if Spiritus wanted to nickel and dime us alright but you do that and make it completely brand specific, just another fucking slap in the face.
I don't get why it's their marketing model to screw folks. Even their direct copy of a 1974 chest rig doesn't come with the required straps... it's baffling
You lost me with that atrocious side grip on your rifle. What the actual fuck man lmfao
The ryker grip? Yea lol it's horrible to show products for injured veterans to use to get back in the sport.
Lol too funny. Thanks for watching.
-Walsh
Review the velocity systems scarab.
Also I agree with the review, I bought their kit throughout last year which was frustrating having to pay shipping multiple times to complete the carrier just to be able to try it. Very frustrating how much you have to spend to use their stuff. I like the chest rig, but plate carrier is lacking in options and nickel and dime you.
glad to hear I wasn't just being a jerk haah and velocity scarab, got it. I've heard good things on that one.
Litteraly if Apple made a plate carrier
You can tell they dont sponsor you lmao
dang I made this back when I had like 20 subs. You'd have thought I would have been nicer.
looks like young me got it right lol
-Walsh
Agreements:
1. It is annoying that they charge for so many items separately (like the side bag lid)
2. It is a bitch to adjust the Cummerbunds, but you should only have to adjust it 1 time, for yourself.
Contention Points:
1. "swimming with your carrier". OP has never done maritime operations (OTB was designed for special operations use) It was built for quick drainage and maintenance when cleaning. #FUDD
2. lack of expansion: It literally comes with a series of removable placards, back panels, etc. If you ran a company, why would you build a kit to run your competitors gear?
3. Color isn't meant for coolness, its meant for operational use.
Conclusion: Stop being a poor.
But I have 4 lv119s in 4 different colorways... Conclusion unclear. 🏴☠️🏴☠️
*Points to the bucket marked "tears"*
And they go in there. Not the comments section.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo you have four LV119's? .....So what you're saying was....they were in stock?
🤔
*points at the bucket*
why would someone whos buying a lv119 be upset that there is no molle on the front? like if youre looking to get carriers like this and you want a molle front you must have brain damage.
Buys equipment meant for military use then complains why a certain design doesn’t apply for civilians.
ehhh shaw is more applicable for real military use. Love that carrier for both applications.
This is one of the rare carriers that I just ebayed and cut my losses
too bad they both use cummerbund designs from 1985