We own in Vistana and also Diamond Resorts. The Marriott/Vistana merger is so much better than the Hilton/Diamond merger. With Marriott, we are provided more travel options using the new Abound program. At Hilton, they are requiring massive amounts of money if we would like access to Hilton resorts. We were quoted from $30,000 to $104,000 additional purchase just to get access to Hilton properties at 6 months out. (we were quoted two different options) There are many Diamond owners walking away from Hilton.
Yeah, HGV and Marriott certainly did take different paths with regard to their acquisitions. Marriott took much longer to implement their final product, but in the end I think it is much better and more owner friendly. Thanks for watching!
Mystic Dunes was nice! We were just there and heard the presentation on this during our stay. It’s being renovated, but they’re getting there. The updated rooms/buildings are a big upgrade from their older models that are still being worked on, and the putt putt golf, and golf course are getting updates too.
Woo hooo !!! We just signed the doc's to purchase a resale timeshare. I have been watching your videos like mad and you have helped us so much. Thank you so much!!!!
@@DestinationTimeshare Hi Jeremy, We went with a Hilton Grand Vacations Timeshare. A 2 bedroom 11200 points. So happy!!! If you can give more of your thoughts we would super super appreciate it. Any tips and tricks on using the points. We stay in the United States, I am not much of out of country traveler. Thank you for all.
HGVC Owner through Elara, purchase resale. I would never pay anything near $7,000 for HVC Max ownership. 1. The resorts seem to be below the standard of most HGVCs and I'm not interested in spending a week at any of those...even if it were free. I have too little time, and too many places that I'm interested in going to waste time at places that are below the HGVC standard. 2. HGVC (formerly Embarc Whistler) is interesting to me - but I wouldn't pay for the benefit of being able to book there, so I hope it's rolled into the inventory that we can book as "normal" (non-HVC Max) owners, but it's it's not, it's no big loss. It's only one location. (I'd just by a resale unit there if I really liked it) 3. HGVC is at risk of making their program too complex and eroding the value of ownership if they make it too complex. Most owners will not learn the intricacies of ownership and may become frustrated. I've seen this happen with other companies. They should try to keep it simple and enhance/add to the ownership value of their brand (including owners who already own it). If they were to do that, they'd earn loyalty among current owners and attract new buyers...but if they make it too much of a headache to book, too complex, etc.. they'll lose owners in the long run. Hopefully, they take the "long view" and try to maximize value for owners over short-term gains. (The HVC Max program makes me doubtful that this will occur though)
Hilton brought Bluegreen out now there is talk about the only way we can access the Hilton properties is by joining hgv max. If that is the case, that equals more money to become a member of hgv max.
If you are a Bluegreen owner, it is quite likely that the only way to access HGVC or HVC resorts will be to make a purchase to join HGV Max. This is how it worked when they created Max. In order to book between systems you need to be in Max and in order to be in Max you need to make a retail purchase directly from Hilton Grand Vacations. That said, you can easily, and cheaply get into HGVC properties by purchasing a resale HGVC deed. That will give you 9 month booking rights into HGVC properties and will cost you far less money.
I decided to stick with my Hilton limited resort selection and when I want to go to something new then I'll just use the money I saved by not upgrading my package and go to those resorts on my own. Hilton Honors will pick up the slack from HGV.
Thanks for the update. I have a question. I am a Diamond Platinum owner, in the Hawaii collection. I made a new points purchase earlier this year and I am eligible to join HGVMax but I cannot get straight answers from HGV about booking windows for the new HGVMax club. I currently have a booking window of 13 months for my home collection. I understand HGV Max offers a 6-month booking window. My question is: If I opt into HGVMax, do I lose my 13-month booking window at my home resort???
Thanks for watching. Nothing with your home ownership changes. So if you opt in to HGV Max, you will still have your regular booking windows when using your DRI ownership. The only thing that changes is you would have the additional option to book HGV Max inventory at six months along with the Club Fee and an additional benefits that come with Max.
Hello, and thanks for your informative presentations. If you had to pick between the Sheraton Vistana Villages in Orlando and the Marriott Grande Vista also in Orlando, which one would you prefer ? Thanks..
Both are great resorts, so it is hard to pick between the two. Grande Vista has more of a "resort feel" to it with multiple food & beverage outlets. The rooms are also a little nicer at Grande Vista. That said, we really enjoy all our stays at Sheraton Vistana Villages. You really can't go wrong with either one. Thanks for watching!
This would be something included with RCI membership. These are RCI deposits that are still available 45 days from checkin and can be booked for something like $399 for 7 nights. I have looked at these and they will most often be in locations with lots of supply and low demand. Think Orlando and northern locations in the late fall and early spring, perhaps even winter in Wisconsin. They can be a great deal if you can use them, but they aren't a reason to buy. Best of all, you can even access them if you buy resale HGVC. Resale is always the best option IMO. Buy for a fraction of what they are charging you. You just don't get HGV Max, but that is overrated IMO. Thanks for watching!
@@DestinationTimeshare thanks! It’s funny you mentioned Wisconsin because that’s where I live! But I purchased a timeshare through Hilton already just waiting on being able to access the portal to start booking stuff.
Have you hear of "your destination experience " its like a program you buy into annually and it claims you save on stuff like hotels, flights, car rentals, and cruises. They claimed they are not a time share but im skeptical, cant find any info and i keep gettting lead to your videos. Thanks any info would help.
I haven't heard of it, but did check out their website. Or at least what they had for a website. These are what are traditional vacation clubs. You buy in and you get access to supposed discounts on travel. THese usually are not worth the money spent. Often discounted access is to excess inventory offered by RCI. Other discounts for things like airfare, hotels or car rentals isn't any better than you can do on your own by shopping travel online.
I was already an elite member with HGVC but purchased a small EOY deed in late January 2022. I own 2 deeds at The District and my EOY is at Elara. Is there any disadvantage to opting into HGV Max? Your video was very informative but I’m still not sure about opting in. Thank you.
I know there can be some impact to Elite ownerships when you opt in to Max. I think it has something to do with guest certificates or some other benefit limit. I suggest checking out the Hilton forum on www.tugbbs.com and ask about it there. Many more owners who are knowledgeable in the Max Program and HGVC.
Anybody tried to buy recently? We sat thru a presentation and they offered to buy our Maui Diamond ownership for the original purchase price and credit it toward a HGV purchase.
Thanks for watching. Generally any time they want you to trade in a deeded week and buy into their points product, it is a bad idea. You are best to keep deeded weeks and avoid paying full developer prices for anything. What exactly were they trying to sell you?
So frustrated with the HGV timeshare. Every time I use mine, I end up picking a RCI destination. Again, I want to go to Peru. No HGV destinations. No RCI destinations (thru HGV) Search RCI independently and there are about 8 destinations. Right now, I wish I could trade my HGV for the equivalent membership in RCI. Frustrated member!
I was offered Max for $16,000, and then $25,000. Since I got my timeshare for $100 + closing fees, I'll pass. After 3 stays at Diamond properties, I find them inferior and inconsistent. I can always stay at one with Hilton Honors if need be. I just got a 2nd Wyndham timeshare, EOY in Kona. The opposite years we'll be doing a 14 night cruise, can't quit sailing completely!
As far as I know, when you buy HGVC resale, the only benefits lost are the ability to book HGV Max at 6 months and perhaps no ilite status in the Hilton Honors program. Resale is far cheaper and the savings far outweigh the benefits of buying resale.
@@manuvns Resale owners can book all of the same HGVC resorts that direct buyers can book. Resale owners just can't book "Hilton Vacation Club" properties. There is a distinction between Hilton Vacation Club and Hilton Grand Vacations Club. Confusing....
@@DestinationTimeshare So if we purchased a resale in florida and wanted to vacation in Vegas, how do you determine the point differential? Can I look at something before we purchase resale?
It's a no from me. I don't think I'll spend any more money on my Hilton Timeshare. The saleswoman basically told me to stop taking the free gift tours because I can afford my own steak dinner lol. Nah.
Did the sales lady ask you "Why are you here?" I've been asked that one before. My response is "Because you offered me points to attend your presentation!"
@@seanpeters7909That is funny. I guess that is a standard question from the sales rep. When my husband answered honestly, she immediately got belligerent. It was not pleasant.😮😂😮
We do not currently own Hilton Grand Vacation Club. Not sure if we would buy in in the future or not. They tend to be more expensive on the resale market as they hold their value a little better than most. I suspect our next purchase would be Club Wyndham.
HGV Max doesn't transfer on resale and there isn't a way to join HGV Max with a resale unless you also later purchase direct from HGVC. Thanks for watching!
Sorry. Hilton’s pay to Save your points into the next year was one of the final deal breakers. Also your HGV max benefits can be cancelled at any time by Hilton- it’s in the final contract that they pile on at the end. Love Diamond Resorts but they are better options
Most of those Diamond resorts are easily available thru exchanging so I see no need to feel any FOMO for this program. Of course I bought resale so won't have this offered for me unless I buy retail which ain't gonna happen. Yeah there are a few Diamonds in the Diamond collection but it's easy to just rent them if I really want to go there. Lots of fanfare for nothing if you ask me. All this rebranding and no new building. Pretty soon it's going to be just a handful of big name developers owning everything. Just reshuffling the deck chairs on the titanic is what it looks like to me. They are killing the industry with the next generation.
Sorry about that. I am not the hyper RUclips type. You can set the Playback Speed faster to get the desired energy from the video. It takes an odd type to criticize a video where someone is trying to help and educate someone. Just give it a thumbs down next time and move on...
We own in Vistana and also Diamond Resorts. The Marriott/Vistana merger is so much better than the Hilton/Diamond merger. With Marriott, we are provided more travel options using the new Abound program. At Hilton, they are requiring massive amounts of money if we would like access to Hilton resorts. We were quoted from $30,000 to $104,000 additional purchase just to get access to Hilton properties at 6 months out. (we were quoted two different options) There are many Diamond owners walking away from Hilton.
Yeah, HGV and Marriott certainly did take different paths with regard to their acquisitions. Marriott took much longer to implement their final product, but in the end I think it is much better and more owner friendly. Thanks for watching!
Mystic Dunes was nice! We were just there and heard the presentation on this during our stay. It’s being renovated, but they’re getting there. The updated rooms/buildings are a big upgrade from their older models that are still being worked on, and the putt putt golf, and golf course are getting updates too.
Woo hooo !!! We just signed the doc's to purchase a resale timeshare. I have been watching your videos like mad and you have helped us so much. Thank you so much!!!!
That's great, congratulations! What system did you buy in to?
@@DestinationTimeshare Hi Jeremy, We went with a Hilton Grand Vacations Timeshare. A 2 bedroom 11200 points. So happy!!! If you can give more of your thoughts we would super super appreciate it. Any tips and tricks on using the points. We stay in the United States, I am not much of out of country traveler. Thank you for all.
HGVC Owner through Elara, purchase resale. I would never pay anything near $7,000 for HVC Max ownership.
1. The resorts seem to be below the standard of most HGVCs and I'm not interested in spending a week at any of those...even if it were free. I have too little time, and too many places that I'm interested in going to waste time at places that are below the HGVC standard.
2. HGVC (formerly Embarc Whistler) is interesting to me - but I wouldn't pay for the benefit of being able to book there, so I hope it's rolled into the inventory that we can book as "normal" (non-HVC Max) owners, but it's it's not, it's no big loss. It's only one location. (I'd just by a resale unit there if I really liked it)
3. HGVC is at risk of making their program too complex and eroding the value of ownership if they make it too complex. Most owners will not learn the intricacies of ownership and may become frustrated. I've seen this happen with other companies. They should try to keep it simple and enhance/add to the ownership value of their brand (including owners who already own it). If they were to do that, they'd earn loyalty among current owners and attract new buyers...but if they make it too much of a headache to book, too complex, etc.. they'll lose owners in the long run. Hopefully, they take the "long view" and try to maximize value for owners over short-term gains. (The HVC Max program makes me doubtful that this will occur though)
Hilton brought Bluegreen out now there is talk about the only way we can access the Hilton properties is by joining hgv max. If that is the case, that equals more money to become a member of hgv max.
If you are a Bluegreen owner, it is quite likely that the only way to access HGVC or HVC resorts will be to make a purchase to join HGV Max. This is how it worked when they created Max. In order to book between systems you need to be in Max and in order to be in Max you need to make a retail purchase directly from Hilton Grand Vacations.
That said, you can easily, and cheaply get into HGVC properties by purchasing a resale HGVC deed. That will give you 9 month booking rights into HGVC properties and will cost you far less money.
I decided to stick with my Hilton limited resort selection and when I want to go to something new then I'll just use the money I saved by not upgrading my package and go to those resorts on my own. Hilton Honors will pick up the slack from HGV.
Sounds like a good plan. I don't see much value in HGV Max. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the update. I have a question. I am a Diamond Platinum owner, in the Hawaii collection. I made a new points purchase earlier this year and I am eligible to join HGVMax but I cannot get straight answers from HGV about booking windows for the new HGVMax club. I currently have a booking window of 13 months for my home collection. I understand HGV Max offers a 6-month booking window. My question is: If I opt into HGVMax, do I lose my 13-month booking window at my home resort???
Thanks for watching. Nothing with your home ownership changes. So if you opt in to HGV Max, you will still have your regular booking windows when using your DRI ownership. The only thing that changes is you would have the additional option to book HGV Max inventory at six months along with the Club Fee and an additional benefits that come with Max.
Hello, and thanks for your informative presentations. If you had to pick between the Sheraton Vistana Villages in Orlando and the Marriott Grande Vista also in Orlando, which one would you prefer ? Thanks..
Both are great resorts, so it is hard to pick between the two. Grande Vista has more of a "resort feel" to it with multiple food & beverage outlets. The rooms are also a little nicer at Grande Vista. That said, we really enjoy all our stays at Sheraton Vistana Villages. You really can't go wrong with either one. Thanks for watching!
@@DestinationTimeshare OK thanks..
They mentioned something about being able to book something called ‘last calls’ Just wondering what has been anyone’s experience with booking these
This would be something included with RCI membership. These are RCI deposits that are still available 45 days from checkin and can be booked for something like $399 for 7 nights. I have looked at these and they will most often be in locations with lots of supply and low demand. Think Orlando and northern locations in the late fall and early spring, perhaps even winter in Wisconsin. They can be a great deal if you can use them, but they aren't a reason to buy. Best of all, you can even access them if you buy resale HGVC. Resale is always the best option IMO. Buy for a fraction of what they are charging you. You just don't get HGV Max, but that is overrated IMO. Thanks for watching!
@@DestinationTimeshare thanks! It’s funny you mentioned Wisconsin because that’s where I live! But I purchased a timeshare through Hilton already just waiting on being able to access the portal to start booking stuff.
Have you hear of "your destination experience " its like a program you buy into annually and it claims you save on stuff like hotels, flights, car rentals, and cruises. They claimed they are not a time share but im skeptical, cant find any info and i keep gettting lead to your videos. Thanks any info would help.
I haven't heard of it, but did check out their website. Or at least what they had for a website. These are what are traditional vacation clubs. You buy in and you get access to supposed discounts on travel. THese usually are not worth the money spent. Often discounted access is to excess inventory offered by RCI. Other discounts for things like airfare, hotels or car rentals isn't any better than you can do on your own by shopping travel online.
@@DestinationTimeshare tysm 😊
I was already an elite member with HGVC but purchased a small EOY deed in late January 2022. I own 2 deeds at The District and my EOY is at Elara. Is there any disadvantage to opting into HGV Max? Your video was very informative but I’m still not sure about opting in. Thank you.
I know there can be some impact to Elite ownerships when you opt in to Max. I think it has something to do with guest certificates or some other benefit limit. I suggest checking out the Hilton forum on www.tugbbs.com and ask about it there. Many more owners who are knowledgeable in the Max Program and HGVC.
Anybody tried to buy recently? We sat thru a presentation and they offered to buy our Maui Diamond ownership for the original purchase price and credit it toward a HGV purchase.
Thanks for watching. Generally any time they want you to trade in a deeded week and buy into their points product, it is a bad idea. You are best to keep deeded weeks and avoid paying full developer prices for anything. What exactly were they trying to sell you?
@@DestinationTimeshare 5500 points yearly 8000 bonus for our Maui and 7k cash
If I want to sell my HGV, how do I know what it is worth?
I would suggest looking at Redweek.com and checking other listings for your resort and season for comparables. Thanks for watching.
So frustrated with the HGV timeshare. Every time I use mine, I end up picking a RCI destination. Again, I want to go to Peru. No HGV destinations. No RCI destinations (thru HGV) Search RCI independently and there are about 8 destinations. Right now, I wish I could trade my HGV for the equivalent membership in RCI. Frustrated member!
I was offered Max for $16,000, and then $25,000. Since I got my timeshare for $100 + closing fees, I'll pass. After 3 stays at Diamond properties, I find them inferior and inconsistent. I can always stay at one with Hilton Honors if need be.
I just got a 2nd Wyndham timeshare, EOY in Kona. The opposite years we'll be doing a 14 night cruise, can't quit sailing completely!
What benefits do you lose if you buy it from secondary market thanks
As far as I know, when you buy HGVC resale, the only benefits lost are the ability to book HGV Max at 6 months and perhaps no ilite status in the Hilton Honors program. Resale is far cheaper and the savings far outweigh the benefits of buying resale.
@@DestinationTimeshare thanks is there a list of destinations somewhere available that resale market customers can book
@@manuvns Resale owners can book all of the same HGVC resorts that direct buyers can book. Resale owners just can't book "Hilton Vacation Club" properties. There is a distinction between Hilton Vacation Club and Hilton Grand Vacations Club. Confusing....
@@DestinationTimeshare thanks
@@DestinationTimeshare So if we purchased a resale in florida and wanted to vacation in Vegas, how do you determine the point differential? Can I look at something before we purchase resale?
It's a no from me. I don't think I'll spend any more money on my Hilton Timeshare.
The saleswoman basically told me to stop taking the free gift tours because I can afford my own steak dinner lol. Nah.
That is funny. I can afford my own trips too from all the points we get for taking tours, but I prefer free stuff vs paying for it.
Did the sales lady ask you "Why are you here?" I've been asked that one before. My response is "Because you offered me points to attend your presentation!"
@@seanpeters7909 I've been asked that before lol. I just tell them the truth every time.
@@seanpeters7909That is funny. I guess that is a standard question from the sales rep. When my husband answered honestly, she immediately got belligerent. It was not pleasant.😮😂😮
Do you own any Hilton timeshares? And would you in the future?
We do not currently own Hilton Grand Vacation Club. Not sure if we would buy in in the future or not. They tend to be more expensive on the resale market as they hold their value a little better than most. I suspect our next purchase would be Club Wyndham.
Hi There, If I purchase a resale will the HGV Max be available to me? Thank you for all your videos.
HGV Max doesn't transfer on resale and there isn't a way to join HGV Max with a resale unless you also later purchase direct from HGVC. Thanks for watching!
Sorry. Hilton’s pay to Save your points into the next year was one of the final deal breakers. Also your HGV max benefits can be cancelled at any time by Hilton- it’s in the final contract that they pile on at the end. Love Diamond Resorts but they are better options
Whistler is hgvc too
Good to know. Thanks for watching!
Most of those Diamond resorts are easily available thru exchanging so I see no need to feel any FOMO for this program. Of course I bought resale so won't have this offered for me unless I buy retail which ain't gonna happen. Yeah there are a few Diamonds in the Diamond collection but it's easy to just rent them if I really want to go there. Lots of fanfare for nothing if you ask me. All this rebranding and no new building. Pretty soon it's going to be just a handful of big name developers owning everything. Just reshuffling the deck chairs on the titanic is what it looks like to me. They are killing the industry with the next generation.
I feel asleep watching this, Man U need some energy
Sorry about that. I am not the hyper RUclips type. You can set the Playback Speed faster to get the desired energy from the video. It takes an odd type to criticize a video where someone is trying to help and educate someone. Just give it a thumbs down next time and move on...
@@DestinationTimesharedon’t even sweat that guy, as a noob, I appreciate your pace.