The MOST Important Mod for BMW E46 M3 w/ SMG Transmission | CSL Tuned Vs Non Tuned Direct Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Seeing as I have 2 E46 M3s currently with both being equipped with the infamous SMG 2 Transmission and one having the CSL tune and the other not, I figured it would be a good time to do a direct comparison between the two. This video shows how different an M3 behaves once with transmission has the CSL tune. In my opinion it's night and day and an absolute must for anyone who owns one of these cars! It will transform your driving experience and maybe even your opinion on the SMG transmission!
Nice breakdown man! I love the SMG truthfully. For context, I have old manual BMWs, a modern manual BMW, and DCT as well. But the SMG is the one I enjoy the most because it requires you to have such a close connection to the car. The CSL tune rocks but I chose to go back to the standard SMG map because I like rev-matching on my own and timing out exactly when/how to lift on upshifts. The CSL tune is really nice for stop signs and such so I miss that part lol!
Thanks for the input!! Modern manual bmws with auto rev matching I kind of hate, dct is great but so good its boring. Smg is just analog enough, like you said, you need a close connection and that makes all the difference!
Spot on. The SMG is so period correct for this car. It’s a lot closer to a manual feel than DCT is and even more distant from an automatic.
100%, it gives you the pureness of a manual just elevated. My dad who is in his 60s now loves it. He can drive it for as long as he wants with out getting tired. Rev match is peak with this thing.
Are you blipping the throttle when downshifting on non-tuned. I've driven my m3 for a couple years and when you blip the throttle before downshifting each gear like you would a manual, it gives a quicker downshift and proper response. A lot of people treat the smg like its an automatic or dct so they expect the car to do all the work. its just a manual transmission with a hydraulic controlled clutch, so things you would normally do in a manual you'd do on smg. When you downshift the car waits for user input (throttle blip) once it realizes that its not getting a user input the computer assist and does itself. Hence the delay and soggy downshift. The csl tune good makes the car respond more like a dct especially with its self blipping downshifts. It might make things move faster, but I feel a lot of people get the csl tune because they don't fully understand how to use smg to its maximum potential(or just want better downshifts). Smg leaves some work for the driver to do, unlike modern cars where computers control most of what's going on.
I used to blip throttle on the coupe pre smg tune, when driving this car I was honestly having a hard time getting it right. I lost my touch LOL
Very Cool...
great to hear people loving smg's. they get so much hate but its mainly from people who havent taken the time to learn it properly. my pump failed, i fixed it. wasnt that hard. its a pretty simple system. chucked a new pump in, bled it with inpa. all good. i have the csl map on mine. i dont let off when shifting up. just hold that foot to the floor and bang through the gears. It might be worth trying a reset on your non csl car. roll at about 30mph flick to neutral and hold both paddles in for a few seconds. i think it reset the bite point. i do that with my car every few months. especially if you had a new clutch...
Great advice! Glad your enjoying your SMG!
What bite point u mean the slam
I've thought about getting the tune but I drive my SMG like a manual anyways. let off gas when shifting and rev matching myself when going down. I don't think ill ever convert it to manual I am a SMG fanboy at this point lmao. plus my left knee sucks for manual.
Trust me its better with the tune😉
I had a 2006 with 140,000km and sold it for $18k Australian in 2019. It was in mint condition.. but I felt generous as I had money at the time.... then snapped my achilles tendon, had surgery lost my job then COVID hit Melbourne. Since then life sucks hah fk me. I miss that car. I used to just turn it on in the garage at night to hear the engine to make me feel relaxed then go to bed. Such a weapon.
As it's Australian/Euro it is better plus had all maintenance history. I had replaced all wearing parts, upgraded brakes and a few others. It had never seen rain...
I also had sold my 1993 Nissan GTR V-Spec II for $20k Aud as I was in Canada studying and needed the money. I had imported it was a 5 star immaculate rating.
I now drive a mazda 3 2007 with 200k. FML
Im sorry to hear that :(((
yeah man both those cars doubled in price too😭
@concon890 they all have and change. Kills me. Been a few other things I didn't keep that is worth a mint now.. just have to remember the glory years heh
Amazing video yet again couldnt agree more i think the smg makes the e46 m3 what it is i find it adds to the charector of the car and also noticed you done the rev light calibration so they match with the oil temp instead of the coolant temp how bmw thought that was a good idea with coolant temp i dont know
Wait really?? I didn’t realize that was a thing!!
@@m3nameisjosh464 yes mate standard the rev lights go out with coolant temp like your e46 m3 convertible as your own m3 is with oil temp i could tell straight away iff you check back on your videos you will see i noticed straight away on them maybe with this bmw could have saved a few conrod bearings spinning 😊👍
@@mikesphoenix_e46m3 OMG DUDE I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE. Now i see it! Wow. I must have gotten that with my engine tune
@@m3nameisjosh464 yes mate i think this is part of the issue the rod bearings failing early people see the lights go out then think its ok to thrash when infact thats just for the coolant and the engine oil hasnt warmed up to its correct temperature 😬👍
@@mikesphoenix_e46m3that is probably certainly a part of it!
The SMG cars are great value imo.. Maybe one day i will be able to sell my 330ci and buy one. Good video
Love the vid! CSL SMG tune makes a world of a difference. I believe that if all smg owners tuned their transmissions that there would be a lot less push for swaps. BUT, your car with the stock smg is definitely not working correctly if it’s always searching/blinking between shifts. Maybe a clutch bite reset is in order? Not sure of the actual name but I think there’s a soft reset where you pull both paddles for a certain amount of time while driving to reset the bite.
This in addition to the smg adaptation, which I’m sure you already did, should fix that. 👍🏼
I will check that out!!! Could possibly need to be readapted, now that you say that is does seem a little worse than my coupe ever was
@@m3nameisjosh464 keep us updated! I’m in the middle of doing a whole refresh on mine and planning to enjoy the smg for as long.
For $200, worth a try before diving into a manual swap. Maybe SMG will be the more collectible spec one day in the future.
Absolutely worth it. I think anyone that 6 speed swaps a car that hasn’t had an smg failure is wasting their time and money.
@@m3nameisjosh464 and when you’re looking at the market, the prospect of buying an SMG car doesn’t necessarily have to be gone into with a swap in mind. It would take years before the forums would catch up, but maybe this tune will make all variants desirable.
@@uisperfectemail9720 true that!! In my opinion, buy a car with the spec you like, good maintenance, and if its smg enjoy it until smg breaks! Youll save some money up front
@@m3nameisjosh464 I totally agree. Btw, getting those Alpinas passing through your hands is just fantastic, anything E34 or older is just amazing. Basically pre-Alpina Z8 lol
@@uisperfectemail9720 oh yeah!!
That black m3 looks fantastic. I always loved those wheels for that car . Great content .
Thanks man!!
best mod is never buying an smg m3 in the first place lmao
they're horrible just buy a manual or if you cant drive one and are too scared buy an automatic. smg is pointless and its horrible
@@Tony-dn8xu i have driven nearly every single pre 2000 generation BMW in manual. And I still enjoy SMG. You need to know how to drive it
I swapped my smg for manual and completely regret it.
I’ve never heard this take before. What do you miss about smg?
Reallly??? Why?
@@m3nameisjosh464 coming from a e36 m3 and e39 m5 and a bunch of e30s all manual I guess I just got tired of it. I loved the smg drove it for 5 years and just recently swapped to manual, it’s awesome but I do miss it every time I drive my m3.
@@frshkidg I’m just older now I use to only drive manual cars and only swear by them it’s just a comfort factor for me, I didn’t ever understand all the SMG hate especially when it’s a fully refreshed system with the csl tune.
I had my mint low Mile m3 coded with csl smg software year ago I love it. Worth saying not only do you get better gear changes but it adds in an extra stage of traction control as per the csl. So rather than just fully on or off there’s a midway stage you get different symbol on dash when pressing then traction button. Dunno if you knew this. Maybe not all tuners add it
I had no idea about this!!!
@@m3nameisjosh464try it. I don’t know if basic map does it but my guy added it to mine like the cal. Press once it turns to the mid assist and a half round circle arrow appears. Press again it goes off fully
Bro you gotta help with my E34 530. I’m trying to get this alternator out and replace it but I’m stuck and bmw engineering isn’t logical at all😭😂
The gas light being on in your coupe the whole vid was making me nervous lmaoo
I KNOW MY CAR🤓🤣🤣
So glad I found this channel, keep it up
Im glad you did too! Thanks man!!
yall know you can flat foot theese, also now im thinking mine came with the csl tune because it always rev matched for me when i would drive normal. Is there any way i can Check?
Flat footing makes the rear end sound like its gonna fall out🤣🤣 i avoid it. Not really any way to check, but if it rev matches thats a pretty good indicator
Never better than manual but not bad at all with tune. BMW should do a recall just to tune the SMG on every model, that way, people will apretiated more.
Seriously man!!!
Sounds great, were dashboard lights caused by app modification?
Catless headers! I coded them out
Man that convertible actually looks good could be the angle but it looks nicer than the coupe.
@@Smokey-mt6ye woahhhhh
You are right on the if it works well then why swap it, I didn’t know that they actually had tunes for smg cars
Yesssir!!
TTFS FTW! Taking it back for sure. I have a custom dyno tune on my car from him from over a decade and she still pulls strong as day 1.
Absolutely fantastic tuners!!
Great video! I've had 2 SMG cars over the last 6 years, but never tried the tune. I've built good muscle memory for rev-matching on the downshifts, so that's never sold me on the tune. The up shifts seem pretty nice (especially @16:28), but do you see any improvement in slow or stop-n-go, especially in Sport? I can't use sport unless I'm launching or already in 2nd.
Yes! Stop and go is much smoother, it takes out the overall fumbling feeling of smg in all driving forms. The sport mode issue is actually more of a throttle mapping problem that smg further echoes. A smg tune and then a engine tune like a build journal B spec that offers throttle remapping eliminates that issue. I also used to rev match with smg and thought it was fine, the tune is better trust! Haha
first, damn those 46s are so sweet
Thanks man!!
Where can I get this CSL tune sofware. I have a 2002 E46 M3.. Thanks in advance
TTFS
New subscriber!!!!🤝
Welcome!!
Great content. I have booked my 2003 E46 M3 convertible in for SMG flush and the CSL tune applied to the SMG.
Thanks man!! Youll love it!
can bmw do the tune for you really?
That black e46 M3 still for sale?
Sold!
Great video, and a Plainfield guy.
Yessir!! haha
love me some 46 content 🤝 great vid as always josh
Thank you Sam!!!
How much does the tune typically cost from a shop?
Shops arent able to tune smg. Only select companies offer it
@@m3nameisjosh464what companies tune the smg ?
@@m47garage TTFS
Your non csl smg car seems slow in the shifts.
Hmmm im not sure why, new compression springs
I watched it again. And yeah, your shifts are very slow, especially for the 4th smg setting. Mine snaps without the tune.@@m3nameisjosh464
Both are lovely cars. ❤❤
Thank you!!
Honestly, either this is an US spec thing or something is wrong with the car. I have the first SMGII version, ECE spec though and it does shift at least as quick as you tuned one and rev matches as well! Never seen one without rev matching in Europe anyway… 🙄
This is not a CSL thing…
Interesting. Could be US vs euro thing then
the oem CSL tune is different from the stock m3 tune. thats a fact. maybe your car got upgraded already? did you buy it new?
Easiest way to tell if the gearbox has the CSL software update, is put the gearbox into S5 mode and switch the engine off.
Then restart it, move the shifter across as if you are going to pull off, if it's still in S5 mode then it's normal software, if it's now in D3 mode, then it's got the CSL software update.