I heard this once in the background of the Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool, I passed by and heard it in one of the grand ballrooms, and the music fitted well an elegant piece playing in an elegant hotel it was the coda I heard and ever since then I looked for this piece and finally found it thank you for making an analysis on it, one last thing can you link the folk music so I can listen to that to.
What a video! Had me laughing our loud several times 🤣 Your defence of the 'Austrian' theme is most persuasive. If I see pianist is going to pay this in the Chopin Competiton I conclude he/she is either (a) mad, or (b) a likely laureate. Putting pieces into the context of Chopin's life is a fine way of showing why things are as they are as opposed to compositional shortcomings. Bravo!
Perhaps the last 13 measures of this piece are Chopin poking fun at his listeners. He just played V-I cadence after cadence with scales in between. "The End"......"The End" ..... it's over. (the listeners are certain we can stop this madness!!) Then he has that delicious trill with 3 rolled chords ...up to C ....(is that the end? ...nope) ....up to C# ....(is that the end? Are we done yet? .. nope) ....up to D!!! (this is it! The final V7 chord!!!) Each of those top notes get softer and softer. The trill should die away gently as you focus on those 3 top notes of the rolled chords, and as the audience at this point is probably thinking, "will he climb yet another hill?? - I can't take any more - think I'll take a nap". And he has one last pianissimo echo of the 1st theme before the final arpeggio that is marked smorzando, lulling them into their slumber . . . . then BOOM! The Final 2 chords wake them up, so they know for sure it's over!!! (he did need applause after all, and it's good that they are awake for that!!) LOL!!! I enjoyed your analysis, Greg!!!
Hahahahaha! Yes, it's so funny what you write! And so real! Thank you! I know you play this piece very well, which I respect so much! It's so hard!!! I plan to put it in my program for autumn 2022.
Unique vibrations caused by the early Chopin, predispose the listener to the next works. The structure of the rondo opus 16 is complex and its semantic references in the field of aesthetic values of the young composer, are much more in this work, compared to the rest of his work. The thematic variety and the "bridges" connecting the various aspects, create a structured and complete project with a remarkable form and content. The composer follows the traditional style of a "serious" and "imposing" introduction to a bright and sparkling work, written with "good taste" and for a specific purpose. It is a pity that this rondo remains on the margins of popularity, but this fact is inevitable in the works of all the great composers. In addition to any comment on the promotion of this rondo through the discography or the concert halls, I feel the need to thank you from the bottom of my heart, Maestro Niemczuk, for your superhuman effort to approach with so much love and thorough care this unjustly "disregarded" work. I would wholeheartedly wish that through your art you can offer this refined music the position it deserves.
As i often say, Chopin did not write music to impress but to express. I think i am alot like him. I would rather play by myself because it has more of a cathartic effect on me. One could write the most sparkling virtuoso, technically genius piece, if i feel nothing while listening to it, it does not have much worth to me. Fortunately, Chopin always was able to add a beautiful personal touch to his music, even when he wrote it mostly to please an audience. ❤️
SO WONDERFUL AS ALWAYS, MAESTRO!!!!! Thank you for one of my favourite Chopin's masterpieces in an excellent rendition and for your analysis/tutorial, I wish you all the best in this Christmas Season and I'm looking forward to your new music, again my best regards, have a nice weekend. Joanna
Thank you for your thorough analysis of this piece! I also found it very difficult to understand, and compared to Chopin's other pieces in E flat major (many of which feels sweet, delicate and glamorous), this piece seemed almost like an outlier; starting from the opening in minor key it already appears quite unusual. But your explanation of Chopin's personal aspects at the time he wrote the piece indeed helps me make sense of it. Looking forward to the etudes!
Greg, just wanted to give you my reaction to hearing the introduction for the first time, since I’ve never heard this piece before. Which is a comparison to something like a Mozart fantasy. Which I know is not what you’re saying about the music in your comments. But is what strikes me when I hear so many different moods. And without any apparent form. Which seems so unlike Chopin. So yes, it’s an introduction, but it doesn’t seem to prepare you for what follows. However, I’m not criticizing Chopin. His music is always brilliant. So I’m just learning something new!
Can you please do a video on Chopins rondo “a la mazur” op. 5? It’s my favorite rondo by Chopin. I love you videos, I’ve been watching all of them and I can’t get enough thank you!!!
@@gregniemczuk Amazing! I'm going to be playing it for my recital in the spring so I was hoping you'd do a video on it thank you! Your videos are such an incredible resource for students like muyself.
When you say that the one theme is like an Austrian folk song, I am reminded of what Schumann said about Chopin's waltzes -- that, if they were played at a ball, half the women would have to be countesses. Similarly, Chopin's theme has much in common with Austrian folk music, but with a layer of great refinement. Can you give us a link to the music that you played on your machine, the Austrian music? I'd like to think about this some more. To me that is the one part of this work of Chopin's that is really the work of a great, mature composer.
@@gregniemczuk It's surprising that the concerto op 11 was composed before this piece, and we see a lot of reminiscences of the 3rd mouvement in this rondo. I was expecting the opposite ( the concerto was composed 3 years before in Poland). Of course always the nostalgia of his country...
@@gregniemczuk Do you know the Swiss musicologist, Jean Jacques Eigeldinger, a specialist about Chopin, he has written a very interesting book : "Chopin vu par ses élèves" ( Chopin seen by his students). Don't know if it has been translated in english or even in polish.
@@jfpary7336 I know this book by heart! I often quoted it during my videos about other Chopin's pieces. You should watch my other analyses! I've already made all Mazurkas, Waltzes, Nocturnes, Scherzos, Ballades, Sonatas, Polonaises, Barcarolle, Berceuse, Bolero, Tarantella and Variations op.12.
@@gregniemczuk Hey, you said those in the video, I just couldn’t find again the timestamp you did so I’m not sure, but they have something to do with a specialist in musicology and chopin’s life
I heard this once in the background of the Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool, I passed by and heard it in one of the grand ballrooms, and the music fitted well an elegant piece playing in an elegant hotel it was the coda I heard and ever since then I looked for this piece and finally found it thank you for making an analysis on it, one last thing can you link the folk music so I can listen to that to.
What a video! Had me laughing our loud several times 🤣 Your defence of the 'Austrian' theme is most persuasive. If I see pianist is going to pay this in the Chopin Competiton I conclude he/she is either (a) mad, or (b) a likely laureate. Putting pieces into the context of Chopin's life is a fine way of showing why things are as they are as opposed to compositional shortcomings. Bravo!
Perhaps the last 13 measures of this piece are Chopin poking fun at his listeners. He just played V-I cadence after cadence with scales in between. "The End"......"The End" ..... it's over. (the listeners are certain we can stop this madness!!) Then he has that delicious trill with 3 rolled chords ...up to C ....(is that the end? ...nope) ....up to C# ....(is that the end? Are we done yet? .. nope) ....up to D!!! (this is it! The final V7 chord!!!) Each of those top notes get softer and softer. The trill should die away gently as you focus on those 3 top notes of the rolled chords, and as the audience at this point is probably thinking, "will he climb yet another hill?? - I can't take any more - think I'll take a nap". And he has one last pianissimo echo of the 1st theme before the final arpeggio that is marked smorzando, lulling them into their slumber . . . . then BOOM! The Final 2 chords wake them up, so they know for sure it's over!!! (he did need applause after all, and it's good that they are awake for that!!) LOL!!! I enjoyed your analysis, Greg!!!
Hahahahaha! Yes, it's so funny what you write! And so real! Thank you! I know you play this piece very well, which I respect so much! It's so hard!!! I plan to put it in my program for autumn 2022.
Unique vibrations caused by the early Chopin, predispose the listener to the next works. The structure of the rondo opus 16 is complex and its semantic references in the field of aesthetic values of the young composer, are much more in this work, compared to the rest of his work. The thematic variety and the "bridges" connecting the various aspects, create a structured and complete project with a remarkable form and content. The composer follows the traditional style of a "serious" and "imposing" introduction to a bright and sparkling work, written with "good taste" and for a specific purpose. It is a pity that this rondo remains on the margins of popularity, but this fact is inevitable in the works of all the great composers.
In addition to any comment on the promotion of this rondo through the discography or the concert halls, I feel the need to thank you from the bottom of my heart, Maestro Niemczuk, for your superhuman effort to approach with so much love and thorough care this unjustly "disregarded" work. I would wholeheartedly wish that through your art you can offer this refined music the position it deserves.
Thank you so much! I love this piece so much! I'm preparing it for my Concert tour in Norway in November and the program called: "the great Romantic"
@@gregniemczuk I wish you all the best !!! Meanwhile, we keep in contact as usually.
As i often say, Chopin did not write music to impress but to express. I think i am alot like him. I would rather play by myself because it has more of a cathartic effect on me. One could write the most sparkling virtuoso, technically genius piece, if i feel nothing while listening to it, it does not have much worth to me. Fortunately, Chopin always was able to add a beautiful personal touch to his music, even when he wrote it mostly to please an audience. ❤️
100% true! That's why we love him so much!
Thanks Greg! I really enjoyed . I am going to concert rondo op.16 today!
SO WONDERFUL AS ALWAYS, MAESTRO!!!!! Thank you for one of my favourite Chopin's masterpieces in an excellent rendition and for your analysis/tutorial, I wish you all the best in this Christmas Season and I'm looking forward to your new music, again my best regards, have a nice weekend. Joanna
Thank you for your thorough analysis of this piece! I also found it very difficult to understand, and compared to Chopin's other pieces in E flat major (many of which feels sweet, delicate and glamorous), this piece seemed almost like an outlier; starting from the opening in minor key it already appears quite unusual. But your explanation of Chopin's personal aspects at the time he wrote the piece indeed helps me make sense of it. Looking forward to the etudes!
It was a great listening pleasure for me again. Thank you!
Greg, just wanted to give you my reaction to hearing the introduction for the first time, since I’ve never heard this piece before. Which is a comparison to something like a Mozart fantasy. Which I know is not what you’re saying about the music in your comments. But is what strikes me when I hear so many different moods. And without any apparent form. Which seems so unlike Chopin. So yes, it’s an introduction, but it doesn’t seem to prepare you for what follows. However, I’m not criticizing Chopin. His music is always brilliant. So I’m just learning something new!
Lovely!!! I think that exactly was his goal!
Can you please do a video on Chopins rondo “a la mazur” op. 5? It’s my favorite rondo by Chopin. I love you videos, I’ve been watching all of them and I can’t get enough thank you!!!
Yes!!! I'm preparing it now. I plan to do it this year!
@@gregniemczuk Amazing! I'm going to be playing it for my recital in the spring so I was hoping you'd do a video on it thank you! Your videos are such an incredible resource for students like muyself.
When you say that the one theme is like an Austrian folk song, I am reminded of what Schumann said about Chopin's waltzes -- that, if they were played at a ball, half the women would have to be countesses. Similarly, Chopin's theme has much in common with Austrian folk music, but with a layer of great refinement.
Can you give us a link to the music that you played on your machine, the Austrian music? I'd like to think about this some more. To me that is the one part of this work of Chopin's that is really the work of a great, mature composer.
"Bon goût" means refinement, good style. It evolves over time.
Your video is soooooo interesting....
Merci! Thank you!! 🌹🌹🌹
@@gregniemczuk It's surprising that the concerto op 11 was composed before this piece, and we see a lot of reminiscences of the 3rd mouvement in this rondo. I was expecting the opposite ( the concerto was composed 3 years before in Poland). Of course always the nostalgia of his country...
@@jfpary7336 Yes, indeed. Or maybe he still had some unused ideas? Like Liszt with his Sonata and Ballade no.2?
@@gregniemczuk Do you know the Swiss musicologist, Jean Jacques Eigeldinger, a specialist about Chopin, he has written a very interesting book : "Chopin vu par ses élèves" ( Chopin seen by his students). Don't know if it has been translated in english or even in polish.
@@jfpary7336 I know this book by heart! I often quoted it during my videos about other Chopin's pieces. You should watch my other analyses! I've already made all Mazurkas, Waltzes, Nocturnes, Scherzos, Ballades, Sonatas, Polonaises, Barcarolle, Berceuse, Bolero, Tarantella and Variations op.12.
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Can you send me those books?
Can you precise what books?
@@gregniemczuk Hey, you said those in the video, I just couldn’t find again the timestamp you did so I’m not sure, but they have something to do with a specialist in musicology and chopin’s life
@@brunobeilkematos maybe Tomaszewski! And Eigeldinger
@@gregniemczuk okay, thank you!