I have been collecting high end Swiss and German watches in addition to Grand Seiko for decades and I am shocked by the quality that Invicta offers at the ridiculously low price ! Especially when it houses a Seiko movement.
Oh hell yea! Yellow has to be my least favorite colour but, Invictas boxes are very strong and nicely made.. Only 2 i bought came with a chamis. I'd swear it's suede. As is the pillow and box lining. I use one to clean my expensive Nikon lemses The box my Loreo came in isn't close to what he shows. Just cardboard
But no $1 plastic pin remover! :-) I think most watch enthusiasts who will buy even an inexpensive watch like one of these (I say enthusiasts because they aren't quartz watches) will probably have a few tools to size the bracelet already.
The sapphire crystal is a nice bonus on the Loreo, but at this price point, it's really all about the movement. That Seiko NH35 in the Invicta wins because is reliable, accurate, hacks & hand winds, and used in many new micro brands today and selling for as much as $400 (or more). That said, with 200m WR, either of these two would be worth another $30 bucks to most with the NH35 AND Sapphire!
Brand recognition isn't always a good thing. When I think of Invicta, I (unfortunately) visualize their most popular models which are gigantic and....unique.
The Pro Diver is Invicta's most popular model not their massive ugly time pieces. The Pro Divers are very decent as good or possibly better than the Seiko 5 Sports.
I own 5 invictas from the pro diver to the so called huge ugly watches which I absolutely love but have to be in the right mood to wear them,lol but the pro diver is an awsome little watch!
Thank you for this review. I wasn't even aware of the Loreo brand until now. I will look for them to see what else they sell. Respectfully, my favorite watch brand is Invicta (I also love Casio G-Shocks). Whenever I hear about someone wanting a fake Rolex (where it is Branded "Rolex", but a fake), I always inform them that they should buy a real Invicta Pro Diver instead. Now don't get me wrong, as an Invicta fan even I will tell you that it's NO Rolex (compared to a real one), but for the same look I would go with the Pro Diver for anyone where a Rolex is out of their range.
I have a pro diver but since it was the 11-11 alli express sale I ordered a green loredo simply curious to see if it’s a good watch or if they wasted a piece of sapphire on a crappy watch? I’m not calling it crappy because I haven’t gotten it yet but I’m interested to see,,,,,,,,,I hope I shouldn’t have purchased another pro diver.lol
I like the invicta. It's a fun watch that you can wear everywhere and not stress about damaging it. It feels good on my wrist as well. Some of their stuff is kind of spoofy, but people who know watches know the prodiver is decent.
Amongst all my favourite Seikos and Hamiltons, my Mickey Mouse Invicta diver gets lots of wrist time... and generates the best response from my students 😀.
I also own both Invicta & Loreo submariner homage watches. I give a small edge to Loreo because of the sapphire crystal and the Loreo bracelet is better engineered and more comfortable to ware.
I was deciding between these two and chose the Loreo because of the sapphire crystal and (advertised) ceramic bezel. I immediately could tell the bezel wasn't ceramic - OK with it at $60. But last night the crystal got scratched by a piece of aluminum, so I now doubt if it's actually sapphire. No AR coating on this so I know it's not just a scratch in the coating. Also I wear it on a nato strap, and in the last 2 months it has popped a spring bar twice. I never thought a nato strap would actually save my watch from falling off! Also the rotor has some rust spots on it. Definitely would not recommend this watch. The Invicta has its downsides, but at the end of the day it's an old watch company, has a renown movement, and is honest about what it is.
Im not 100 percent certain, but I think a sapphire crystal costs upward of $100 \120 ,so i very much doubt the Loreo has a sapphire crystal Havent tried Loreo. I find the Invictas Automatics really good ,very reliable.
@@fjones1914 Maybe some people got a Loreo with a sapphire, and some people got one without. Just like how some people get it in a nice blue box, and some get it in a padded envelope (me).
I'd like to chime in, as far as the coolness factor is concerned. I recently purchased a pro-diver 9404, and it's by far my only time-piece that my clients and colleagues have taken notice of. In terms of quality, maybe I lucked out? The bezel action on mine is the best I've had on any given dive watch I've had. No back-play, zero play!
I got a new invicta and measured the accuracy on a time grapher and it was 16 seconds fast a day. I regulated it down to zero. Very good movement in the invicta.
I didn't test it before or after. I don't plan on swimming with it. The case back had a substantial rubber gasket and tightened snugly with a case wrench.
@@MenacedAssassin Ummm no, it's not. He's still using it as a watch. It would be like buying a pair of Nike's designed for basketball but not playing basketball in them. Which is every bit as normal and common as buying a dive watch but not using it to swim/dive.
If the Loreo just had the NH35 it would be such insane value for money at ~$60. Still good value..I might treat myself to it after my next paycheck as a sort of holiday gift to myself
My Invicta has the coin edge and is easier to grip and turn BUT it has a lot of play in it! Both of these watches are awesome value for the money. I bought my Invicta to wear at work only so I no longer wear my nicer, more expensive watches at work. I am around a lot of electromagnetic fields and didn’t want to run the risk of magnetizing my more pricy watches. I have purchased a de-magnetizer in case I need to perform that task.
I have both, and the bezel of the invicta is flawless. No play at all. Althouth the finishes of the bezel look quite better on the loreo... it has a "lot" of play. Not backwards, but its like the bezel its 0,4mm larger than it should
Jody at jomw praises the loreo and I expected it to come out on top so quite pleased with the result. I have an 8926ob bought out of curiosity and it's actually not a bad watch, however, it took three attempts with Amazon to get one that was satisfactory. The first had a misaligned cyclops, the second one surprisingly had a faulty nh35a movement but the third one is spot on. The ability to exchange the Invicta on a next day with Amazon prime is a massive plus point and occasionally the price drops low enough for it to be a real bargain. Loreo is also available on Amazon global but the prices appear fixed way above the invicta and they take between 1 and 4 weeks for delivery so it would be a pain if you ended up in the situation I had with the pro diver.
Great comments and your 3 attempts with Amazon confirms my suspicion that the quality attributes of the Invicta are being oversold. That plus if you ignore the bs coolness factor these 2 watches are actually in a dead heat.
@@cbody70 Jody is correct in saying pay no more than a base price of about $70. Beyond that there are better alternatives. They range from £65 to £125 on Amazon UK. If they just set a fixed price they would probably sell more of them.
I bought the newer version of the Loreo that has an upgraded Seagull movement and it is both beautiful and accurate. Excellent video! I enjoy the head to head comparison reviews!
@@edmund8954 i don't think you can find a link for a Loreo with the newer movement, the Aliexpress store i bought mine on showcased the old movement on its pictures, but still i received the newer one
Wow! That was a real Battle Royale, full of twists and turns! I have to say that Invicta should get a 10 for coolness, because it was, last year, one of the most hated watch marques there was but now it seems to be scrapping its way back towards respectability and a bit of cachet. There's a groundswell of underdog invicta pride.
How long have you been using it for? And have you ever needed to service it? I was wondering how long of a lifetime it has because I'm thinking of buying one for myself
@@SuranTube i brought this on 2019 Feb month and its working pretty well and no service yet. Due to lockdown i didn't use it and whenever i want to use i just set time and use it. One min up or down. But great thing still no issues and working great
Out of these two, I'd take the Loreo due to its lume and sapphire - two important criteria for beaters to have in my eyes. Lume in particular is super valuable when going out in the evening/night as well as for swimming, which are common occurrences for most people. I'd dish out a bit more money for a Corgeut BB beater, though.
You can tell the time better in the dark when you can see the hands rather than the numbers. With the Invicta at least you can see the hands clearer, which makes more sense.
I have the Loreo. Dont count on the lume to be useful. It gets dim pretty fast. You can still see the pips with dark adjusted eyes (albeit very faint), but you can't see the hands.
I have a few Invicta Pro Divers, and I recently got a Loreo. I was surprised with the Loreo's weight in comparison to my Invicta's, the Loreo seems to be more solid. So far my Loreo is been pretty consistent timing-wise, seems to run okay thus far keeping accurate time. However, that could change with time as the watch is used more often. I think both watches are pretty close, but you get with the Loreo a sapphire crystal, which is really good for the price point. Invicta is better known, so it will be more desirable for some people plus if there are warranty issues you can contact them easily. Anyway, great review, keep up the nice work!
I'm an Invicta collector. I love them all!! They have all lasted well and resale is amazing. I love Invicta. I honestly don't give a damn about the haters. I love their looks and their build quality at the price points I get them for. I'll take a 200 dollar Invicta over an obnoxiously overpriced 20 or 30 grand Rolex any day. If you gave me a Rolex I'd sell that shit so fast and buy me a ton of badass watches. To me with brands like Rolex 80% of the price is name and you buy them so you can be one of those "I need attention so I waste obnoxious amounts of money" people. Just my opinions. Nothing more.
Hello, very good combination especially about the comparison of mechanisms. There are 3 versions of this Loreo and the first one did not have a stop second and was very accurate, now they are with a stop second and additionally with days of the week. Water resistant my 1ver loero I swam 6m underwater and nothing happened. The loreo bezel has the same spring as the one from bostok and can be adjusted, but it is very difficult to pull the bezel .. 120click in my version! It is very difficult to get a replacement insert of this size. I have 3 different loreo (L9201g, L9202g and third is qwarc and no have review yet..) watches and they all came with boxes and I bought from different sellers from aliexpres about two years ago. The winner in Europe is Loreo because nobody will buy an Invicta for 60 $ including home delivery. Invicta is cheap brand only in US.
They sell them on Amazon in the UK. Somebody keeps stock here because I replaced mine three times in as many days. They are normally between £80 and £100 but can drop as low as £60 ($74) still a half decent watch for that money.
I have an Invicta 8926OB. Mine was running around 40 secs a day fast when I got it but I regulated it down to around +2 secs a day. For the money it’s not too bad at all.
I have a Black Loreo Sub which is infinitely cooler than the Invicta. The Seagull ST16 is a lot smoother than the nh35 movement in my eye. The weakest link in the LOREO is the bezel. I've knocked it off 2 times. I have to replace the spring and it should be fine but quality control is def lacking there.
@@TimothyMoore they are both submariner homages, pretty much the same. Kinda of strange that one pleases you SO much and the other doesnt. At least to the point that you put them so apart. To my eyes, maybe loreo seems a littleeee bit superior regarding finishing quality (mine is brand new). That bezel insert looks better made and it has a better lume. (lets forget the sapphire because is not a visible feature). But my invicta has a more accurate movement, and has a super tight bezel. no play at all. The loreo bezel has some play that makes me nervous :). the magnifier is also crappy in the Loreo. The bracelet in the Loreo also doesnt fitd so well between the lugs, underneath the bezel there is some space that shouldnt exist. Oh.. the Invicta coin edge bezel its a little bit bigger, which stands out more and has a better grip. All in all... some has better things than the other and vice-versa. I Can't choose one
@@rikardocarvalho The movement in My Loreo is very accurate. like -3/day. Whereas the Invicta would lose 2-3 minutes in 12 hrs. As far as the bezel on the Loreo, I agree, but mine hasn't fallen off yet and I replaced the insert with a ceramic insert shortly after I got the watch. The bracelet fit mine well, no gaps, and the finish is very good. I have the Black PVD'd version. The two things about the Loreo that I prefer mostly over the Invicta are: A. Sensible branding. The Invicta looks stupid with the logo replicated all over the watch. B. The rehaute on the Loreo is much swallower. The Invicta rehaute makes the watch feel like it has a tiny movement inside whereas the rehaute on the Loreo looks like there's a robust movement inside. The STP-11 is a great movement with Swiss DNA even if it's a Chinese rep.
I don't agree with your verdict as the marks distribution is not fair. You said it yourself, Yes in general the Seiko movement has a better reputation than the little known Seagull, yet the Seagull on the other hand, proved more accurate than the NH35 in many trials. .. Loreo has better all components like Sapphire Crystal, solid and screw end-links, and a better clasp. Also the Invicta has repulsive excessive branding all over it, and the ugly bothersome Seconds Hand. .. You can say Invicta is one of the cheapest Subby clones around, the thing you can't say about the Loreo when it boasts Sapphire Crystal .. Loreo is a much better watch for the price.
Invicta all the way...you can't beat the movent for the price and they look great i shamelessly own 5 different pro divers and have a hard time stopping buying more lol
I have that same Hulk homage Loroe and love it. It's basically a Kermit because it has an aluminum bezel insert and the small case with a Hulk dial and a Yacht-Master bracelet because the middle links are polished. Mine is currently running about 10 seconds a day fast. I agree with you that the bezel back play is horrible and is only 90 clicks. The loom is pretty good at first but it only lasts about 10 minutes or so.
I enjoyed your review and agree with the outcome, but disagree with giving Loreo an extra point for sapphire crystal twice in two different categories. Either watch is a fantastic value for an automatic movement. I don’t always feel comfortable traveling with a very expensive watch, so I wear one of my Invictas. I also like the variety Invicta offers in automatic watches: I first bought a gold tone Pro Diver with black dial and scalloped bezel, then lucked into a Grand Diver with yellow dial and 300 meter WR, then came my favorite a Pro Diver with Titanium case and bracelet, then I could not resist a Pro Diver GMT, and a few others I think. What fun these watches have provided for not-serious money and a better Seiko movement then what Seiko installs in their own watches.
My black Loreo day+date is so nice (albeit lacking a cyclops), I can barely pick another watch regardless the occasion. Did just order a white dial Pagani "Daytona" this week. €54 out of pocket after coupons. Great specs as with Loreo and my Pagani oversize subby that's a great display piece. For the Loreo a clasp upgrade is worth is. The clasp offerings on AliX are improving, hope to soon try out a new glidelock one. Specs are very vague so you only know when you try it.
I think I would put more value in the movement over the crystal. While sapphire is slightly better in the Loreo, the Seiko NH35 movement is far superior over a Seagull movement not housed in a Seagull watch. Just my opinion. I own about ten pro divers and four loreos. I favor Invicta.
Jody's Aliexpres top 10 tipped me over. I bought both a black day-date Loreo and a green Pagani Design, which is similar but larger. The Pagani has a lovely if stiff to open milled clasp, is a tad too big maybe. The Loreo is a tad lighter than avertised, 160 g with full bracelet, closer to 148 g sized for me. The nicest watches ever for me. I am waiting for a milled €9 clasp for the Loreo. Might put it on valious Nato straps later. The green Pagani I will try on a brown PU leather look Nato just for variation. Both have bracelets that can be adjusted somewhat, but they are a bit awkward on the wrist. either uncorfortable or slipping toward the elbow all the time while desk diving.
Even sophisticated watch snobs know all about the Invicta's Pro diver... It's the infamous 60 dollar Rolex Sub. You'll either love it or hate it...but Invicta pro diver is part of the watch collectors community... And Invicta is a black sheep company of it; by making those 62mm, colorful, wrist cuffs that break all the traditions, but are pretty fun to look at.
I have both Invicta pro diver and loreo full black. The nh35/36 movement is 24 Jewel the seagul st16 is 21, which I'm sure adds to the accuracy. The loreo box is nicer but I didn't get the tool just a kit with tools and pins. There is a pip on the Invicta bezel not on loreo, and the Invicta bezel is tighter. The p-d is available with a coin edge like the loreo. And really when was the last time time you dove to 660 feet? The other thing about loreo that is a serious problem, it's not superlative, or certified.
Argh, I purchased a nice looking Loreo "Daytona" look-alike. Nice enough, but the crown tube threads stripped and the watch is now no longer even water resistant as the crown won't screw down. I asked the Ali Express seller for an address for in-warranty repair (one year warranty, supposedly) and they gave me an address in Fujian province which correlates with, of all things, the XIAMEN UNITED STONE IMP & EXP CO., LTD. I guess that's a GFY.
Go PARNIS or BLIGER, both offer more after service. Especially BLIGER offering 43mm cases of stunning appearance. The latter's accuracy is regulated to +8s/d, so its possible.
I've been wearing an Invicta #3049 Grand Diver as my "daily driver" for nine years and it still looks as pristine as the day it arrived. The gold hasn't even worn AT ALL. Now, I have to ask you, why did you show the Loreo's display back but not the Invicta's? EVERY Pro and Grand Diver has a display back showing the Seiko NH35A movement but you didn't feature it. It makes no sense.
Did you test the Loreo crystal. Is it really Sapphire. Some are claiming to be Sapphire coated. My diamond tester only sees window glass. That said, I'll have to dig mine out. I bought 2, I must have been half asleep because one was quartz. I gave it away. Personally, I'd save $20 more and buy another Parnis, not only Sapphire but ceramic bezel as well. Cheers all from the USA.
My 2nd sea gull movement and they both are spot on with time and reserve., hand wind and hack.The Loreo has all the faults noted, but for $60 on a nato strap it looks great. Time will tell about the movement.
I have 5 invicta pro diver homages all almost ten years old all still runs and works like new. I just don’t personally like there new current models just way to big for my wrist but I’m looking for the 1953 model
Hi Oleg(hope i spelled correctly), just a bit of feedback. Love the vid, but in future, try to keep the watches to the respective sides of the screen when doing the comparison. When the lume comparison came up I had to do a double take as the positions of the watches were swapped. Not a deal breaker by any means but will sure help with the ease of viewing.
I understand a pressed clasp is not much to look at but I do appreciate when it is polished and well finished and I feel the Invicta gives in that range of the best stamped clasp available while the Loreo give the worst. I hate that type of stamped clasp so much that I care not that the bracelet has solid endlinks.
I had an Invicta just like this one. I couldn't operate that smooth bezel when sweaty or wearing gloves. Got rid of it. Invicta does have a Pro Diver with a better coin edge bezel.
Seen some bad luck with Invicta, but I had one that was fine except the crystal scratched very easy. Also, I just watched a video where a watchmaker took the NH35A apart and found 2 plastic parts that have no business in an automatic. But, for the price......maybe its ok.
Is the Seagull ST16 movement a clone of any Western or Japanese movement? Might be easier to drop in a new movement (if you really wanted to) rather than trying to have the Seagull serviced. If the Seagull is a copy of another movement, replacement could be a DIY job.
To add to the video - Loreo watches come with 2 different movements (based on AliExpress comments). Mine is different than yours with an ancor-shaped weight.
I really think you should have considered the warranty/return aspect of these watches. In most cases, Invictas can be returned for a full refund for a short period, and thereafter, are covered by a limited warranty and at least an effort of customer service. Good luck returning a Loreo or even speaking with someone about any issue you may have with it. My bit the dust 2 weeks after I received it and there was no scenario that justified sending it back to China for repair or refund (refund was not offered). And yeah, my Loreo came in bubble wrap. Zero points for packaging.
You way undersold the advantages of the Loreo. Sapphire and ceramic..... Major longevity. No obnoxious case branding. Way better cosmetic longevity and just looks better. The Seagull has a pretty solid reputation. People aren't likely to service either of these watches, but just use them for quite a few years. The only advantage for the Invicta is the movement. The Loreo is more watch for the money and is classier.
I've owned both and found the Loreo superior thanks to the sapphire crystal, better/larger indices, bezel and much better bracelet. I've not noticed any performance difference between the movements so far.
Great review! I think the Invicta branding is a con for a lot of people, especially the side branding on the case. It also seems like the Invicta has gone up in price a little bit as well. The sapphire crystal and better bracelet on the Loreo are pretty nice additions, but it is hard to overcome that Seiko NH35a. Thanks for the information!
I dare you to find an imvicta in that beautiful candy apple sunburst green! Or red for that matter. I have a red but its a grand pro diver. 47mm? Its big but i like it. Beautifully trimmed in gold but that IP gold wears fast. I bought a stainless n gold bracelet to replace my worn one. Its a fake Rolex (didn't say that when i ordered) but. Its a nice working glide lock and it's better than the Invicta ! Hands down the most complemented watch i own! Even more than my 116610 black sub. In the months i have had it, only one compliment, a girl in MacDonalds.
Excellent comparison, thank you very much! I think that's how any comparison should be made, although in the end people will listen to their hearts as well.
I own 6 Invicta Pro Diver watches. The Invicta Pro Diver is a good watch that you can use for five years without service. The Japanese movement they use to have and the Seiko movements are good. The stainless steel of the Invicta Pro Diver is very good because it doesn't corrode. Invicta has more respect then Oreo because it is a worldwide recognizable Swiss brand.
Does invicta not have "INVICTA" engrave on the side of the case? That should take off 5 points straight away! IMO i think both watches are even in scoring. Cheap office Beaters
Best Beater watch is the 40 something dollar Casio Gshock. DW5600E-1V. Its one of the first Square ones and is the model they ran a 10-ton truck over and it still worked. I don't like either one. Invicta Logo all over the place makes it an eyesore and the Chinese one will probably fall apart. The movement might be the worst one out there.
Both are cheap Chinese made non ISO certified ''diver'' watches and the only difference between them is that the Invicta comes with a good and reliable Japanese movement and the Loreo has a sapphire crystal. For those who don't care much about a watch brands history and are looking for their first mechanical watch or a beater watch, these two would do well for the money you pay. At that price range however, I will go with the Vostok Amphibia, because in my opinion it's more rugged, reliable, it has some history behind it, it's 100% in house made including the movement, it has unique design, features and it it's own style without trying to copy any other watch brand.
I had both loreo is 2-3 times better, loreo wears much better and it is more substantial than invicta. I think seagull movement is as good as nh35 at least as time keeping is concerned. And it is much more presentable movement vissualy.
The loreo looks way more true to the Sub and has a sapphire crystal, two big pluses. Down sides are one (you say) the movement is not so good and two, that cyclops it trash. That alone would stop me from considering buying one.
Have to disagree on Invicta being Submariner homage. Heard that elsewhere also, but ppl mix two different Invicta models, same as the author here. Oleg probably heard that about Invicta diver, but got the wrong model. Edit: took a look. The model you needed here is 22019 or 22069 (with coin-edge bezel). There is also 8926OB etc. But only Loreo has the exact dimensions, hands etc.
I have both and I would say the Invicta is much better than the Loreo. Your video was great but I would say the bracelet on the Invicta is better than Loreo.
I always thought that loreo is crappie from aliexpress or something but seeing it "could" compete with Invicta (which I could considered as serious watch), I kinda amazed and curious to try ha ha
I choose Invicta over both Loreo and Paganni mainly due to the Bezel. Both Loreo and paganni have inferior bezels to the Invicta and it really makes the watches feel cheap. I also don’t think it’s necessary to have a saphire crystal on a
I have been collecting high end Swiss and German watches in addition to Grand Seiko for decades and I am shocked by the quality that Invicta offers at the ridiculously low price !
Especially when it houses a Seiko movement.
This shows how much the big brands are looting us....Rolex sub should $3000 its cost of making is about $1250 even considering its history....
Have to disagree on the packaging, Invicta actually comes with a fairly nice box for the price and the Loreo comes with a generic Chinese box
Yeah but are you gonna wear the box?
Oh hell yea! Yellow has to be my least favorite colour but, Invictas boxes are very strong and nicely made.. Only 2 i bought came with a chamis. I'd swear it's suede. As is the pillow and box lining. I use one to clean my expensive Nikon lemses
The box my Loreo came in isn't close to what he shows. Just cardboard
Garry M 😭
But no $1 plastic pin remover! :-) I think most watch enthusiasts who will buy even an inexpensive watch like one of these (I say enthusiasts because they aren't quartz watches) will probably have a few tools to size the bracelet already.
I have the Invicta (and the Loreo too), but I must admit that this shiny yellow box disturbs me.
The sapphire crystal is a nice bonus on the Loreo, but at this price point, it's really all about the movement. That Seiko NH35 in the Invicta wins because is reliable, accurate, hacks & hand winds, and used in many new micro brands today and selling for as much as $400 (or more). That said, with 200m WR, either of these two would be worth another $30 bucks to most with the NH35 AND Sapphire!
Brand recognition isn't always a good thing. When I think of Invicta, I (unfortunately) visualize their most popular models which are gigantic and....unique.
The Pro Diver is Invicta's most popular model not their massive ugly time pieces. The Pro Divers are very decent as good or possibly better than the Seiko 5 Sports.
Thats why invictas are so awesome, they stand out from other watch companies. I love invicta's large colorful unique watches.
I own 5 invictas from the pro diver to the so called huge ugly watches which I absolutely love but have to be in the right mood to wear them,lol but the pro diver is an awsome little watch!
FYI, Appears the Invicta cyclops magnifies the date better. Well done review !
I enjoy wearing my Invicta watch every day. 👍
Thank you for this review. I wasn't even aware of the Loreo brand until now. I will look for them to see what else they sell. Respectfully, my favorite watch brand is Invicta (I also love Casio G-Shocks). Whenever I hear about someone wanting a fake Rolex (where it is Branded "Rolex", but a fake), I always inform them that they should buy a real Invicta Pro Diver instead. Now don't get me wrong, as an Invicta fan even I will tell you that it's NO Rolex (compared to a real one), but for the same look I would go with the Pro Diver for anyone where a Rolex is out of their range.
Pagani Design PD 1639 is the best of them all atm!
I have a pro diver but since it was the 11-11 alli express sale I ordered a green loredo simply curious to see if it’s a good watch or if they wasted a piece of sapphire on a crappy watch? I’m not calling it crappy because I haven’t gotten it yet but I’m interested to see,,,,,,,,,I hope I shouldn’t have purchased another pro diver.lol
I have the Invicta, and am very happy with it.
I like the invicta. It's a fun watch that you can wear everywhere and not stress about damaging it. It feels good on my wrist as well. Some of their stuff is kind of spoofy, but people who know watches know the prodiver is decent.
Amongst all my favourite Seikos and Hamiltons, my Mickey Mouse Invicta diver gets lots of wrist time... and generates the best response from my students 😀.
Great review I completely agree Invicta hands down
I also own both Invicta & Loreo submariner homage watches. I give a small edge to Loreo because of the sapphire crystal and the Loreo bracelet is better engineered and more comfortable to ware.
I own both too, but I had a QC problem with the Invicta : the stem went out when I pulled it !.
I have a Loreo sub and I love it. I also have two Invictas, not subs, and I love them also.
The Loreo is a good watch.
I was deciding between these two and chose the Loreo because of the sapphire crystal and (advertised) ceramic bezel. I immediately could tell the bezel wasn't ceramic - OK with it at $60. But last night the crystal got scratched by a piece of aluminum, so I now doubt if it's actually sapphire. No AR coating on this so I know it's not just a scratch in the coating.
Also I wear it on a nato strap, and in the last 2 months it has popped a spring bar twice. I never thought a nato strap would actually save my watch from falling off! Also the rotor has some rust spots on it.
Definitely would not recommend this watch. The Invicta has its downsides, but at the end of the day it's an old watch company, has a renown movement, and is honest about what it is.
Im not 100 percent certain, but I think a sapphire crystal costs upward of $100 \120 ,so i very much doubt the Loreo has a sapphire crystal Havent tried Loreo. I find the Invictas Automatics really good ,very reliable.
I'm pretty sure Jody at Just One More Watch actually tested it for sapphire and found that it is really is sapphire.
sd26001 I just watched that video you mention and he does use a tester to verify it’s sapphire.
@@fjones1914 Maybe some people got a Loreo with a sapphire, and some people got one without. Just like how some people get it in a nice blue box, and some get it in a padded envelope (me).
I'd like to chime in, as far as the coolness factor is concerned. I recently purchased a pro-diver 9404, and it's by far my only time-piece that my clients and colleagues have taken notice of.
In terms of quality, maybe I lucked out? The bezel action on mine is the best I've had on any given dive watch I've had. No back-play, zero play!
I got a new invicta and measured the accuracy on a time grapher and it was 16 seconds fast a day. I regulated it down to zero. Very good movement in the invicta.
How is the water resistance after opening the watch?
I didn't test it before or after. I don't plan on swimming with it. The case back had a substantial rubber gasket and tightened snugly with a case wrench.
@@ronaldspencer547 So you buy a dive watch but won't swim in it. It's like buying a pair of shoes but don't walk in them AHAH
@@MenacedAssassin Ummm no, it's not. He's still using it as a watch. It would be like buying a pair of Nike's designed for basketball but not playing basketball in them. Which is every bit as normal and common as buying a dive watch but not using it to swim/dive.
Wow, zero. Better than Rolex, Patek or Lange. Congrats! Send it to COSC, your Invicta will win any competition with swiss brands.
If the Loreo just had the NH35 it would be such insane value for money at ~$60. Still good value..I might treat myself to it after my next paycheck as a sort of holiday gift to myself
My Invicta has the coin edge and is easier to grip and turn BUT it has a lot of play in it!
Both of these watches are awesome value for the money.
I bought my Invicta to wear at work only so I no longer wear my nicer, more expensive watches at work.
I am around a lot of electromagnetic fields and didn’t want to run the risk of magnetizing my more pricy watches.
I have purchased a de-magnetizer in case I need to perform that task.
I have both, and the bezel of the invicta is flawless. No play at all. Althouth the finishes of the bezel look quite better on the loreo... it has a "lot" of play. Not backwards, but its like the bezel its 0,4mm larger than it should
My Komandirskie just arrived. Gotta say I love it. Have an Invicta and love that too
Jody at jomw praises the loreo and I expected it to come out on top so quite pleased with the result. I have an 8926ob bought out of curiosity and it's actually not a bad watch, however, it took three attempts with Amazon to get one that was satisfactory. The first had a misaligned cyclops, the second one surprisingly had a faulty nh35a movement but the third one is spot on. The ability to exchange the Invicta on a next day with Amazon prime is a massive plus point and occasionally the price drops low enough for it to be a real bargain. Loreo is also available on Amazon global but the prices appear fixed way above the invicta and they take between 1 and 4 weeks for delivery so it would be a pain if you ended up in the situation I had with the pro diver.
Great comments and your 3 attempts with Amazon confirms my suspicion that the quality attributes of the Invicta are being oversold. That plus if you ignore the bs coolness factor these 2 watches are actually in a dead heat.
@@cbody70 Jody is correct in saying pay no more than a base price of about $70. Beyond that there are better alternatives. They range from £65 to £125 on Amazon UK. If they just set a fixed price they would probably sell more of them.
I bought the newer version of the Loreo that has an upgraded Seagull movement and it is both beautiful and accurate. Excellent video! I enjoy the head to head comparison reviews!
can I get a link plss
@@edmund8954 i don't think you can find a link for a Loreo with the newer movement, the Aliexpress store i bought mine on showcased the old movement on its pictures, but still i received the newer one
How's your Loreo holding up movement accuracy wise? Also did you purchase yours from the Loreo official store?
@@waris3732 I bought it from the WYQ store on AliExpress, movement is +15 seconds a day
@@sendastunt thanks. Thought about regulating it?
Great comparison my man! The clear winner is that Explorer on your wrist!
I'm a proud owner of an Invicta pro diver and love it
Thisis the best youtube watch reviewer EVER!
And the human seems to know some things about watches too.
As a Bond fan I love the submariner look, but its way above my paygrade, therefore I got me that Loreo lookalike which is now my favourite watch.
Wow! That was a real Battle Royale, full of twists and turns! I have to say that Invicta should get a 10 for coolness, because it was, last year, one of the most hated watch marques there was but now it seems to be scrapping its way back towards respectability and a bit of cachet. There's a groundswell of underdog invicta pride.
That’s largely due to invictas release of the 1953 which I was lucky enough to get one before the prices tripled
@@brianbuchert6382 Well said and lucky you getting your hands on that cool watch!
I own that green loreo. Worth every penny. I really like it
How long have you been using it for? And have you ever needed to service it? I was wondering how long of a lifetime it has because I'm thinking of buying one for myself
@@SuranTube i brought this on 2019 Feb month and its working pretty well and no service yet. Due to lockdown i didn't use it and whenever i want to use i just set time and use it. One min up or down. But great thing still no issues and working great
@@97910466xx That's great to know. I appreciate the reply!
Out of these two, I'd take the Loreo due to its lume and sapphire - two important criteria for beaters to have in my eyes. Lume in particular is super valuable when going out in the evening/night as well as for swimming, which are common occurrences for most people. I'd dish out a bit more money for a Corgeut BB beater, though.
You can tell the time better in the dark when you can see the hands rather than the numbers. With the Invicta at least you can see the hands clearer, which makes more sense.
I have the Loreo. Dont count on the lume to be useful. It gets dim pretty fast. You can still see the pips with dark adjusted eyes (albeit very faint), but you can't see the hands.
Great review. I have been a fan of Invicta since 2003 when I received an Invicta as a gift. I just bought the Pro Diver and really like it.
Great comparison. Seriously considering both watches as an every-day beater.
I have a few Invicta Pro Divers, and I recently got a Loreo. I was surprised with the Loreo's weight in comparison to my Invicta's, the Loreo seems to be more solid. So far my Loreo is been pretty consistent timing-wise, seems to run okay thus far keeping accurate time. However, that could change with time as the watch is used more often. I think both watches are pretty close, but you get with the Loreo a sapphire crystal, which is really good for the price point. Invicta is better known, so it will be more desirable for some people plus if there are warranty issues you can contact them easily. Anyway, great review, keep up the nice work!
How is it working for you?
I'm an Invicta collector. I love them all!! They have all lasted well and resale is amazing. I love Invicta. I honestly don't give a damn about the haters. I love their looks and their build quality at the price points I get them for. I'll take a 200 dollar Invicta over an obnoxiously overpriced 20 or 30 grand Rolex any day. If you gave me a Rolex I'd sell that shit so fast and buy me a ton of badass watches. To me with brands like Rolex 80% of the price is name and you buy them so you can be one of those "I need attention so I waste obnoxious amounts of money" people. Just my opinions. Nothing more.
I have an Invicta Reserve 6663, but battery is dead. How much do you think I could sell it for?
@@DwyaneWadeCounty is it the gold and black?
This invicta pro diver is one of their best watch ever,though It's a homage watch..!!
I just love this watch.!!
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My loreo has best bezal action of all my watch. No back play, precise and no backplay. I love it
Great Video Brotha! I have that Same exact pro diver, it’s been an excellent watch, and I definitely agree with your comparison points.
Hello, very good combination especially about the comparison of mechanisms.
There are 3 versions of this Loreo and the first one did not have a stop second and was very accurate, now they are with a stop second and additionally with days of the week.
Water resistant my 1ver loero I swam 6m underwater and nothing happened.
The loreo bezel has the same spring as the one from bostok and can be adjusted, but it is very difficult to pull the bezel .. 120click in my version! It is very difficult to get a replacement insert of this size.
I have 3 different loreo (L9201g, L9202g and third is qwarc and no have review yet..) watches and they all came with boxes and I bought from different sellers from aliexpres about two years ago.
The winner in Europe is Loreo because nobody will buy an Invicta for 60 $ including home delivery. Invicta is cheap brand only in US.
Completely right, Invicta delivered to UK for example including taxes is 90 USD, not 70.
They sell them on Amazon in the UK. Somebody keeps stock here because I replaced mine three times in as many days. They are normally between £80 and £100 but can drop as low as £60 ($74) still a half decent watch for that money.
@@S-Ltd1000 when I order to Poland shipping + tax is +20£...
I have an Invicta 8926OB. Mine was running around 40 secs a day fast when I got it but I regulated it down to around +2 secs a day. For the money it’s not too bad at all.
Mine is about 35 seconds fast
I have a Black Loreo Sub which is infinitely cooler than the Invicta. The Seagull ST16 is a lot smoother than the nh35 movement in my eye. The weakest link in the LOREO is the bezel. I've knocked it off 2 times. I have to replace the spring and it should be fine but quality control is def lacking there.
I dont think the word "infinitely" is the word you wanted to use
@@rikardocarvalho I've owned both. I sold the Invicta, it had infinitely zero appeal to me.
@@TimothyMoore they are both submariner homages, pretty much the same. Kinda of strange that one pleases you SO much and the other doesnt. At least to the point that you put them so apart. To my eyes, maybe loreo seems a littleeee bit superior regarding finishing quality (mine is brand new). That bezel insert looks better made and it has a better lume. (lets forget the sapphire because is not a visible feature). But my invicta has a more accurate movement, and has a super tight bezel. no play at all. The loreo bezel has some play that makes me nervous :). the magnifier is also crappy in the Loreo. The bracelet in the Loreo also doesnt fitd so well between the lugs, underneath the bezel there is some space that shouldnt exist. Oh.. the Invicta coin edge bezel its a little bit bigger, which stands out more and has a better grip. All in all... some has better things than the other and vice-versa. I Can't choose one
@@rikardocarvalho The movement in My Loreo is very accurate. like -3/day. Whereas the Invicta would lose 2-3 minutes in 12 hrs. As far as the bezel on the Loreo, I agree, but mine hasn't fallen off yet and I replaced the insert with a ceramic insert shortly after I got the watch. The bracelet fit mine well, no gaps, and the finish is very good. I have the Black PVD'd version.
The two things about the Loreo that I prefer mostly over the Invicta are:
A. Sensible branding. The Invicta looks stupid with the logo replicated all over the watch.
B. The rehaute on the Loreo is much swallower. The Invicta rehaute makes the watch feel like it has a tiny movement inside whereas the rehaute on the Loreo looks like there's a robust movement inside. The STP-11 is a great movement with Swiss DNA even if it's a Chinese rep.
I don't agree with your verdict as the marks distribution is not fair. You said it yourself, Yes in general the Seiko movement has a better reputation than the little known Seagull, yet the Seagull on the other hand, proved more accurate than the NH35 in many trials. .. Loreo has better all components like Sapphire Crystal, solid and screw end-links, and a better clasp. Also the Invicta has repulsive excessive branding all over it, and the ugly bothersome Seconds Hand. .. You can say Invicta is one of the cheapest Subby clones around, the thing you can't say about the Loreo when it boasts Sapphire Crystal .. Loreo is a much better watch for the price.
Invicta all the way...you can't beat the movent for the price and they look great i shamelessly own 5 different pro divers and have a hard time stopping buying more lol
I recently picked up the green Loreo and it looks really nice on a jubilee-style bracelet. Thanks for the comparison Oleg!
was it waterproof?
I am a invicta owner and thank you for the information. I think I will stick with the invicta.
I have that same Hulk homage Loroe and love it. It's basically a Kermit because it has an aluminum bezel insert and the small case with a Hulk dial and a Yacht-Master bracelet because the middle links are polished. Mine is currently running about 10 seconds a day fast. I agree with you that the bezel back play is horrible and is only 90 clicks. The loom is pretty good at first but it only lasts about 10 minutes or so.
I enjoyed your review and agree with the outcome, but disagree with giving Loreo an extra point for sapphire crystal twice in two different categories. Either watch is a fantastic value for an automatic movement. I don’t always feel comfortable traveling with a very expensive watch, so I wear one of my Invictas. I also like the variety Invicta offers in automatic watches: I first bought a gold tone Pro Diver with black dial and scalloped bezel, then lucked into a Grand Diver with yellow dial and 300 meter WR, then came my favorite a Pro Diver with Titanium case and bracelet, then I could not resist a Pro Diver GMT, and a few others I think. What fun these watches have provided for not-serious money and a better Seiko movement then what Seiko installs in their own watches.
My black Loreo day+date is so nice (albeit lacking a cyclops), I can barely pick another watch regardless the occasion.
Did just order a white dial Pagani "Daytona" this week. €54 out of pocket after coupons. Great specs as with Loreo and my Pagani oversize subby that's a great display piece.
For the Loreo a clasp upgrade is worth is. The clasp offerings on AliX are improving, hope to soon try out a new glidelock one. Specs are very vague so you only know when you try it.
How's your Loreo holding up? Movement accuracy wise
And could you throw in links to AliExpress on the clasps you've bought/considered? Thanks
I think I would put more value in the movement over the crystal. While sapphire is slightly better in the Loreo, the Seiko NH35 movement is far superior over a Seagull movement not housed in a Seagull watch. Just my opinion. I own about ten pro divers and four loreos. I favor Invicta.
Oleg. Well done sir. Great Review. I own 14 Invictas. But also 15 Vostoks.
Jody's Aliexpres top 10 tipped me over. I bought both a black day-date Loreo and a green Pagani Design, which is similar but larger.
The Pagani has a lovely if stiff to open milled clasp, is a tad too big maybe.
The Loreo is a tad lighter than avertised, 160 g with full bracelet, closer to 148 g sized for me.
The nicest watches ever for me.
I am waiting for a milled €9 clasp for the Loreo. Might put it on valious Nato straps later.
The green Pagani I will try on a brown PU leather look Nato just for variation.
Both have bracelets that can be adjusted somewhat, but they are a bit awkward on the wrist. either uncorfortable or slipping toward the elbow all the time while desk diving.
I ordered my loredo with the stock factory nato strap
Even sophisticated watch snobs know all about the Invicta's Pro diver... It's the infamous 60 dollar Rolex Sub. You'll either love it or hate it...but Invicta pro diver is part of the watch collectors community... And Invicta is a black sheep company of it; by making those 62mm, colorful, wrist cuffs that break all the traditions, but are pretty fun to look at.
I have both Invicta pro diver and loreo full black. The nh35/36 movement is 24 Jewel the seagul st16 is 21, which I'm sure adds to the accuracy. The loreo box is nicer but I didn't get the tool just a kit with tools and pins. There is a pip on the Invicta bezel not on loreo, and the Invicta bezel is tighter. The p-d is available with a coin edge like the loreo. And really when was the last time time you dove to 660 feet? The other thing about loreo that is a serious problem, it's not superlative, or certified.
Good job
So pleased that I agree as I just purchased the Invicta.
We’ll see how it works out.
Argh, I purchased a nice looking Loreo "Daytona" look-alike. Nice enough, but the crown tube threads stripped and the watch is now no longer even water resistant as the crown won't screw down. I asked the Ali Express seller for an address for in-warranty repair (one year warranty, supposedly) and they gave me an address in Fujian province which correlates with, of all things, the XIAMEN UNITED STONE IMP & EXP CO., LTD. I guess that's a GFY.
Go PARNIS or BLIGER, both offer more after service. Especially BLIGER offering 43mm cases of stunning appearance. The latter's accuracy is regulated to +8s/d, so its possible.
I've been wearing an Invicta #3049 Grand Diver as my "daily driver" for nine years and it still looks as pristine as the day it arrived. The gold hasn't even worn AT ALL.
Now, I have to ask you, why did you show the Loreo's display back but not the Invicta's? EVERY Pro and Grand Diver has a display back showing the Seiko NH35A movement but you didn't feature it. It makes no sense.
Excellent point.
Excellent Review. I do agree with you. Lorea seems to be a nice budget automatic
Invicta has a lot of brick and mortar stores here in Florida. Nice video. Thanks 😎👍
Did you test the Loreo crystal. Is it really Sapphire. Some are claiming to be Sapphire coated. My diamond tester only sees window glass. That said, I'll have to dig mine out. I bought 2, I must have been half asleep because one was quartz. I gave it away. Personally, I'd save $20 more and buy another Parnis, not only Sapphire but ceramic bezel as well. Cheers all from the USA.
5:24 those watches cost about 50$ so you dont service them, a service cost several handreds $.
My daily beater watch is an early 2000s Breitling SuperOcean blue dial. Between the Invicta or Loreo, Invicta hands down.
Nice matchup Oleg. Personally, I can't imagine wasting a nickel on either of these. Plenty of people like them, just not me.
Don P don't waste a nickel. Waste hundreds of dollars on them watches
My 2nd sea gull movement and they both are spot on with time and reserve., hand wind and hack.The Loreo has all the faults noted, but for $60 on a nato strap it looks great. Time will tell about the movement.
How's the loreo holding up? Movement accuracy wise
I love all of my Invicta's. I just bought one Loreo.
I have a Loreo on order. we'll see how it is when I get it.
I have 5 invicta pro diver homages all almost ten years old all still runs and works like new. I just don’t personally like there new current models just way to big for my wrist but I’m looking for the 1953 model
I was lucky enough to get the 1953 for $150 now they are going from $250-$350
@@brianbuchert6382 oh lucky you 😎👍🏽
Hi Oleg(hope i spelled correctly), just a bit of feedback. Love the vid, but in future, try to keep the watches to the respective sides of the screen when doing the comparison. When the lume comparison came up I had to do a double take as the positions of the watches were swapped.
Not a deal breaker by any means but will sure help with the ease of viewing.
I understand a pressed clasp is not much to look at but I do appreciate when it is polished and well finished and I feel the Invicta gives in that range of the best stamped clasp available while the Loreo give the worst. I hate that type of stamped clasp so much that I care not that the bracelet has solid endlinks.
I had an Invicta just like this one. I couldn't operate that smooth bezel when sweaty or wearing gloves. Got rid of it. Invicta does have a Pro Diver with a better coin edge bezel.
Yeah, the 8926OB
Seen some bad luck with Invicta, but I had one that was fine except the crystal scratched very easy. Also, I just watched a video where a watchmaker took the NH35A apart and found 2 plastic parts that have no business in an automatic. But, for the price......maybe its ok.
I have both watches and I couldn't disagree more. Loreo is the better watch and just as accurate as my sub.
How accurate is your watch movement wise?
Is the Seagull ST16 movement a clone of any Western or Japanese movement? Might be easier to drop in a new movement (if you really wanted to) rather than trying to have the Seagull serviced.
If the Seagull is a copy of another movement, replacement could be a DIY job.
Probably if an ETA, their 2025 movements will be a clone of a Grand Seiko.
To add to the video - Loreo watches come with 2 different movements (based on AliExpress comments). Mine is different than yours with an ancor-shaped weight.
is the movement on yours better than the one reviewed on this video ? thanks
I really think you should have considered the warranty/return aspect of these watches. In most cases, Invictas can be returned for a full refund for a short period, and thereafter, are covered by a limited warranty and at least an effort of customer service. Good luck returning a Loreo or even speaking with someone about any issue you may have with it. My bit the dust 2 weeks after I received it and there was no scenario that justified sending it back to China for repair or refund (refund was not offered). And yeah, my Loreo came in bubble wrap. Zero points for packaging.
You way undersold the advantages of the Loreo. Sapphire and ceramic..... Major longevity. No obnoxious case branding. Way better cosmetic longevity and just looks better. The Seagull has a pretty solid reputation. People aren't likely to service either of these watches, but just use them for quite a few years.
The only advantage for the Invicta is the movement. The Loreo is more watch for the money and is classier.
I don’t think the loreo bezel is ceramic
I've owned both and found the Loreo superior thanks to the sapphire crystal, better/larger indices, bezel and much better bracelet. I've not noticed any performance difference between the movements so far.
I’d get a Komandirskie over any of those two, no second thoughts.
Johnny Bravo why not both?
Joseph Schatz, I don't like Invicta as a brand, and I don't know the other one.
Unless you want to get your hands wet...
I have a Komandirskie and a Loreo, love them both but if I had to choose it would be the Loreo all day long.
@@valije ?
Invicta might've scored higher, but that just means that there loreo is the better beater watch especially cuz it's got a sapphire crystal.
Lorea have Chinese seagull movement while Invicta has Japanese movement.
Great review! I think the Invicta branding is a con for a lot of people, especially the side branding on the case. It also seems like the Invicta has gone up in price a little bit as well. The sapphire crystal and better bracelet on the Loreo are pretty nice additions, but it is hard to overcome that Seiko NH35a. Thanks for the information!
I think the loreo will get cooler over time!
I have both and it is the LOREO by a mile.
How's your Loreo holding up movement wise? Is it a constant deviation in a day or does it depend from day to day?
I dare you to find an imvicta in that beautiful candy apple sunburst green! Or red for that matter. I have a red but its a grand pro diver. 47mm? Its big but i like it. Beautifully trimmed in gold but that IP gold wears fast. I bought a stainless n gold bracelet to replace my worn one. Its a fake Rolex (didn't say that when i ordered) but. Its a nice working glide lock and it's better than the Invicta ! Hands down the most complemented watch i own! Even more than my 116610 black sub. In the months i have had it, only one compliment, a girl in MacDonalds.
Excellent comparison, thank you very much! I think that's how any comparison should be made, although in the end people will listen to their hearts as well.
I own 6 Invicta Pro Diver watches. The Invicta Pro Diver is a good watch that you can use for five years without service. The Japanese movement they use to have and the Seiko movements are good. The stainless steel of the Invicta Pro Diver is very good because it doesn't corrode. Invicta has more respect then Oreo because it is a worldwide recognizable Swiss brand.
Invicta Rocks! Love the Invicta, Love the Dog and thanks for sharing this great video.
To me you gain cool points with both watches for not buying into the Rolex scam with their gigantic profit margins.
There is a Loreo with sapphire cristal and Seiko NH35 actually, just put a custom superlumina hands and voila! an affordable great watch!
@Uriel S. Morrill can u give any aliexpress/amazon/ebay link of that loreo with NH35 movement?
Yeah mate we need a link of that
Wow. .my Loreo came in a plastic bag from Ali-Express. You must've had the extra fancy delivery.
I bought a Loreo a month ago, mine is running +15 sec a day
Does invicta not have "INVICTA" engrave on the side of the case? That should take off 5 points straight away! IMO i think both watches are even in scoring. Cheap office Beaters
I believe that Rolex sued then and they had to put Invicta on the side if the watch.
Buen video. Prefiero el Loreo a pesar de que sea un seagull y no un seiko.
Best Beater watch is the 40 something dollar Casio Gshock. DW5600E-1V. Its one of the first Square ones and is the model they ran a 10-ton truck over and it still worked. I don't like either one. Invicta Logo all over the place makes it an eyesore and the Chinese one will probably fall apart. The movement might be the worst one out there.
Both are cheap Chinese made non ISO certified ''diver'' watches and the only difference between them is that the Invicta comes with a good and reliable Japanese movement and the Loreo has a sapphire crystal. For those who don't care much about a watch brands history and are looking for their first mechanical watch or a beater watch, these two would do well for the money you pay. At that price range however, I will go with the Vostok Amphibia, because in my opinion it's more rugged, reliable, it has some history behind it, it's 100% in house made including the movement, it has unique design, features and it it's own style without trying to copy any other watch brand.
The Amphibia is a joke
@@starmorpheus K.
I got a scratch on Loreo bezel, replaced with a ceramic bezel. Cheap watch is a good thing that I have no problem to play with it.
I had both loreo is 2-3 times better, loreo wears much better and it is more substantial than invicta. I think seagull movement is as good as nh35 at least as time keeping is concerned. And it is much more presentable movement vissualy.
The loreo looks way more true to the Sub and has a sapphire crystal, two big pluses. Down sides are one (you say) the movement is not so good and two, that cyclops it trash. That alone would stop me from considering buying one.
Invictor on order but I’m really coveting your RE such a super watch thanks for review.
I'd give the Invicta bezel a plus for having a lumed dot. Do either of these watches have a bezel that dents easily?
They're both aluminum inserts so they will probably dent and scratch about the same
Have to disagree on Invicta being Submariner homage. Heard that elsewhere also, but ppl mix two different Invicta models, same as the author here. Oleg probably heard that about Invicta diver, but got the wrong model.
Edit: took a look. The model you needed here is 22019 or 22069 (with coin-edge bezel). There is also 8926OB etc. But only Loreo has the exact dimensions, hands etc.
I have both and I would say the Invicta is much better than the Loreo. Your video was great but I would say the bracelet on the Invicta is better than Loreo.
I always thought that loreo is crappie from aliexpress or something but seeing it "could" compete with Invicta (which I could considered as serious watch), I kinda amazed and curious to try ha ha
I choose Invicta over both Loreo and Paganni mainly due to the Bezel. Both Loreo and paganni have inferior bezels to the Invicta and it really makes the watches feel cheap. I also don’t think it’s necessary to have a saphire crystal on a