HELLO ROBERT ; I just found your RUclips video's on form and stance!! I can't thank you enough. My back also thanks you!! Now I know why my lower back was hurting !! Great info. Now I am subscribed to your channel!! I really enjoyed your video's, I will be back !
Hi guys I'm subbed to the two of you & your advice is helping me immensely, although I'm a flatbow trad shooter using gap aiming (at the moment at least, early days for me shooting seriously, previously more just fun lobbing arrows in the general vicinity of the boss, perhaps I will change disciplines once I join my local field club & can try out some of the club gear). Do you guys know of someone offering excellent advice like you two but in a trad context on youtube? The ones I've found although appreciated seem to lack the technical aspects & seem focused on instinctive shooting which is not my cup of tea. Thanks in advance for any response & the videos guys!
Hey Robert, you were RIGHT! I just went out and practiced and found out that, like you say, I am "scrunched up". My draw length is about 1" too short. I'm SOOOO glad I watched this video!!! Thanks! BTW, I'm now subscribed!
Dudee! Good stuff! thanks for posting this bc there arent too many vids containing all of this content! Ive been learning about bowhunting and have watched TONS of youtube videos! and I JUST FOUND THIS! If I were you id maybe change the title and add words or something most ppl would search like "good archery form" or "bio-mechanics of bowhunting". Im happy I found this but I wish I found it earlier!
Really good video ! I like the bow arm tips a lot. I worked on mine and that has made a big difference. Also something I notice a lot of our students talk about is after they settle into the shot the bow is naturally sitting low on the target. Not sure if you see that also but we work with them on shoulder alignment to get it to "sit" better.
Shoulder alignment really helps the up and down portion for sure! I see the issue when the shoulder gets raised up and the arm drops down. I'm a big believer in energy having a direction too, so I'll set my bows up with a front weight bias to make myself hold the arm up some. Just enough to get the muscles engaged and it'll help me hold a little steadier on target. Then use the loop height/tiller to center my dot.
Having issues missing to the left. My tendency is to lean back a little bit this video has helped with that issue. Could it be my release hand causing my left miss?
It could be if the hand is popping out away from your face. It could also be that you're getting too weak on your pull and pushing shots off to the left with your bow arm.
@@rcrchery just so i understand what your saying.. it could be that my release hand is moving away from my face on the release or it could be. Or it could be that im not pulling hard enough into the back wall? Im shooting a thumb button and feel like sometimes i punch it from time to time
Yes, that is correct. Since you're saying you're punching at times it's probably getting weak on the back end and pushing forward too hard on the bow arm.
What's the best size aiming point to use on my 6x lense for indoors 20 yards I'm getting mixed opinions from people. I currently am using a dot that covers up the yellow 9 and 10 Ring's but am thinking of going with a smaller aiming point what do you recommend?
It's a personal preference thing. I like to have an aiming reference that's smaller than the ten ring so I can see where I'm at inside it, or around it haha. I've tried the bigger reference before and it worked okay but I found myself wanting to look around it more and more as time went on. People use both though so whatever works best for you!
I use the (excessively ?) open stance for a side wind because it feels more stable with the wind coming across me (it could be a sign of something, but it seems to help with the wind)
I can see that helping in a cross wind but I would say stabilizer set up could help you. Creating a heavier weight bias by adjusting the back bar out away from the bow some.
On tip #5 with anchor point you talk about having a stright wrist and hving it i line with your elbow. I have a bend in mine but my elbow isnt pointing down its pointing way up. Any ideas on what i can do to correct that? Or should i not worry about it
John Dudley talks about HIL tuning in some of his old articles. I noticed he talks about HIL tuning indoor arrows. I was curious if you can make a short video on the indoor arrow version. I'm not sure how to do it since I would be shooting a multi color target with 3 spots. I can't shoot the same spot or I'd destroy my fatty shafts. An insight would be great.
For indoor you can do the same method shooting at different spots as you would by tracking group patterns on a single spot at distance. What you'll want to do is measure the group patterns that develop on each target spot. You can also shoot indoor rounds/games and keep track of scoring and x count with different settings as well. I use an app called ArcherZUpshot and I can track every point of impact with this while I'm testing different combinations. That way I can look back and see what a certain set up did for me grouping and scoring wise, then see if my next combination is going in the right direction or not.
Very good tips. I need to work on my reo hitch. My main issue is my sciatic nerve. So in general I'll tilt back even with no bow. Also an unusual problem is my bow arm is 30.5" and my draw arm is 28.5. This has caused me bone alignment issues
Hey Robert, question, I know your bow arm should be parallel to the ground or make a T shape and your bow hand should be a little higher than your front shoulder when gripping the bow. Does that form hold true no matter what the distance, like you shouldn't have to drop your bow arm to have to align your pin on target??
Your form does stay the same, minus some rare extreme angles, when changing heights. You'd bend at the waist to lower the sight picture down or raise the sight picture up.
@@rcrchery thx for getting back to me, I guess what I'm having some trouble with is, suppose I draw back from 20 yards my peep is aligned with my sight, my bow arm is where it should be and my pin is set for 20 yards yet I feel like I have to lower my bow arm to get the pin on target, is that an issue with setting the,sight up? If I understand you correctly if you,are on a flat surface your stance should look the same all the time.
It depends on target height versus distance. If the target is around your shoulder/chest height you'd be level at 20, but most ranges they're lower than that.
Great tips Robert. I'm new to compound archery and these tips have been great to fix all my nuances. Anyways there is a nuance that I can't seem to get rid off. I'm not sure if my draw length is short but I have the need to adjust all of my anchor Point just to See squarely on the peep. Especially my head I have to look down and all of my anchor point is thrown out the window. What do you think Robert?
I recommend your next series cover "Indoor Shooting." For those getting ready for Vegas and Blue Face Indoor Tourneys. Equipment setup and selection, Training, Practice, and Mental Game.
I like it! I'll work this in. I'll be setting up for indoor and some fat shafts coming up and I'll start that route with some videos. Thanks for the suggestion!!!
good video only been doing it for 2 months and some very usefull tips to try have you got any more for barebow as that's all I'm using at the moment? cheers
Thanks for watching! Some of it can be applied to a trad bow, but I don't have a huge amount of time with one. Try going here, if you haven't already, and there's some good information to be found. www.archerytalk.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5
Thank you for a great series. It's a fantastic boon for a total novice such as myself to have this as a resource. I'll be heading over to your Vimeo lessons shortly. For someone wanting to start with compound/target, would you recommend a wrist or hand release to begin with?
Hi from Finland. Great videos and very helpful too. I have one question about my shooting form. I have a bit too much draw lenght with my bow. But it helps me to get my back muscles to work the shot if you understand what i mean. But i have now very serious aiming problem. My pins are all the time on the right side of the target i am trying to hit. Is it possible that my draw lenght is the problem or what ? Br Mikko Kyle
This video here will go over the most detail on grip and bow arm: www.rcrchery.com/product-page/form-draw-length-loop-length-dvd-1 This is my Form video that goes step by step on building up your form from top to bottom.
Somewhat yes. same concept. I just prefer the finger version as I feel more confident in it's application and it catching my bow each time. The riser of my bow will actually come out to it and that's what keeps my bow from coming completely out of my hand.
I prefer to not pull the string straight back to my face and instead have it slightly off to the side just in case anything happens with the release firing prematurely. No broken noses!
I can’t stop holding low on the x My eye tell my brain to tell my Body to hold below the x so it can see what it wants to hit and I don’t like it because it’s a nightmare for hunting
HELLO ROBERT ; I just found your RUclips video's on form and stance!! I can't thank you enough. My back also thanks you!! Now I know why my lower back was hurting !! Great info. Now I am subscribed to your channel!! I really enjoyed your video's, I will be back !
So glad you're back thanks me!! I know that feeling. Thank you for watching!
Great tips!
Thank you!
Hi guys I'm subbed to the two of you & your advice is helping me immensely, although I'm a flatbow trad shooter using gap aiming (at the moment at least, early days for me shooting seriously, previously more just fun lobbing arrows in the general vicinity of the boss, perhaps I will change disciplines once I join my local field club & can try out some of the club gear).
Do you guys know of someone offering excellent advice like you two but in a trad context on youtube? The ones I've found although appreciated seem to lack the technical aspects & seem focused on instinctive shooting which is not my cup of tea. Thanks in advance for any response & the videos guys!
Really appreciate the tips!
You bet!
Hey Robert, you were RIGHT! I just went out and practiced and found out that, like you say, I am "scrunched up". My draw length is about 1" too short. I'm SOOOO glad I watched this video!!! Thanks! BTW, I'm now subscribed!
Thanks for the sub and I'm glad the video helped you with the draw length!!
Dudee! Good stuff! thanks for posting this bc there arent too many vids containing all of this content! Ive been learning about bowhunting and have watched TONS of youtube videos! and I JUST FOUND THIS! If I were you id maybe change the title and add words or something most ppl would search like "good archery form" or "bio-mechanics of bowhunting". Im happy I found this but I wish I found it earlier!
Glad I could help! Thank you for watching!
Really good video ! I like the bow arm tips a lot. I worked on mine and that has made a big difference. Also something I notice a lot of our students talk about is after they settle into the shot the bow is naturally sitting low on the target. Not sure if you see that also but we work with them on shoulder alignment to get it to "sit" better.
Shoulder alignment really helps the up and down portion for sure! I see the issue when the shoulder gets raised up and the arm drops down. I'm a big believer in energy having a direction too, so I'll set my bows up with a front weight bias to make myself hold the arm up some. Just enough to get the muscles engaged and it'll help me hold a little steadier on target. Then use the loop height/tiller to center my dot.
Very helpful. Thank you always for doing these.
Great tips.
Glad it was helpful!
Having issues missing to the left. My tendency is to lean back a little bit this video has helped with that issue. Could it be my release hand causing my left miss?
It could be if the hand is popping out away from your face. It could also be that you're getting too weak on your pull and pushing shots off to the left with your bow arm.
@@rcrchery just so i understand what your saying.. it could be that my release hand is moving away from my face on the release or it could be. Or it could be that im not pulling hard enough into the back wall? Im shooting a thumb button and feel like sometimes i punch it from time to time
Yes, that is correct. Since you're saying you're punching at times it's probably getting weak on the back end and pushing forward too hard on the bow arm.
What's the best size aiming point to use on my 6x lense for indoors 20 yards I'm getting mixed opinions from people. I currently am using a dot that covers up the yellow 9 and 10 Ring's but am thinking of going with a smaller aiming point what do you recommend?
It's a personal preference thing. I like to have an aiming reference that's smaller than the ten ring so I can see where I'm at inside it, or around it haha. I've tried the bigger reference before and it worked okay but I found myself wanting to look around it more and more as time went on. People use both though so whatever works best for you!
I use the (excessively ?) open stance for a side wind because it feels more stable with the wind coming across me (it could be a sign of something, but it seems to help with the wind)
I can see that helping in a cross wind but I would say stabilizer set up could help you. Creating a heavier weight bias by adjusting the back bar out away from the bow some.
Great info and tips . Tried some and the arrow under arm pit works. Have really enjoyed tips and the other videos Thanks
I'm glad that worked! Thank you for watching and commenting!
On tip #5 with anchor point you talk about having a stright wrist and hving it i line with your elbow. I have a bend in mine but my elbow isnt pointing down its pointing way up. Any ideas on what i can do to correct that? Or should i not worry about it
@Kle Mio Send me an email at rcrchery@gmail.com. I was trying to put some links in the reply to help you out, but it's not letting me.
John Dudley talks about HIL tuning in some of his old articles. I noticed he talks about HIL tuning indoor arrows. I was curious if you can make a short video on the indoor arrow version. I'm not sure how to do it since I would be shooting a multi color target with 3 spots. I can't shoot the same spot or I'd destroy my fatty shafts. An insight would be great.
For indoor you can do the same method shooting at different spots as you would by tracking group patterns on a single spot at distance. What you'll want to do is measure the group patterns that develop on each target spot. You can also shoot indoor rounds/games and keep track of scoring and x count with different settings as well. I use an app called ArcherZUpshot and I can track every point of impact with this while I'm testing different combinations. That way I can look back and see what a certain set up did for me grouping and scoring wise, then see if my next combination is going in the right direction or not.
Very good tips. I need to work on my reo hitch. My main issue is my sciatic nerve. So in general I'll tilt back even with no bow.
Also an unusual problem is my bow arm is 30.5" and my draw arm is 28.5. This has caused me bone alignment issues
You may need a lean if it doesn't bother the nerve issue. It's something I'd be careful about, so you don't flare something up.
Hey Robert, question, I know your bow arm should be parallel to the ground or make a T shape and your bow hand should be a little higher than your front shoulder when gripping the bow. Does that form hold true no matter what the distance, like you shouldn't have to drop your bow arm to have to align your pin on target??
Your form does stay the same, minus some rare extreme angles, when changing heights. You'd bend at the waist to lower the sight picture down or raise the sight picture up.
@@rcrchery thx for getting back to me, I guess what I'm having some trouble with is, suppose I draw back from 20 yards my peep is aligned with my sight, my bow arm is where it should be and my pin is set for 20 yards yet I feel like I have to lower my bow arm to get the pin on target, is that an issue with setting the,sight up? If I understand you correctly if you,are on a flat surface your stance should look the same all the time.
It depends on target height versus distance. If the target is around your shoulder/chest height you'd be level at 20, but most ranges they're lower than that.
Great tips Robert. I'm new to compound archery and these tips have been great to fix all my nuances. Anyways there is a nuance that I can't seem to get rid off. I'm not sure if my draw length is short but I have the need to adjust all of my anchor Point just to See squarely on the peep. Especially my head I have to look down and all of my anchor point is thrown out the window. What do you think Robert?
Could be too short on draw length or loop length or incorrect peep height.
@@rcrchery Ok, I'll take note of this. I'll go to a pro shop and let them tune it up for me again. Thank you!
I recommend your next series cover "Indoor Shooting." For those getting ready for Vegas and Blue Face Indoor Tourneys. Equipment setup and selection, Training, Practice, and Mental Game.
I like it! I'll work this in. I'll be setting up for indoor and some fat shafts coming up and I'll start that route with some videos. Thanks for the suggestion!!!
good video only been doing it for 2 months and some very usefull tips to try have you got any more for barebow as that's all I'm using at the moment? cheers
Thanks for watching! Some of it can be applied to a trad bow, but I don't have a huge amount of time with one. Try going here, if you haven't already, and there's some good information to be found. www.archerytalk.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5
+rcrchery thanks your the first person I've looked at for tips I'll have a look
Thank you for a great series. It's a fantastic boon for a total novice such as myself to have this as a resource. I'll be heading over to your Vimeo lessons shortly.
For someone wanting to start with compound/target, would you recommend a wrist or hand release to begin with?
I would recommend a hand held release. Better alignment on the release arm and shoulder.
Hi from Finland. Great videos and very helpful too. I have one question about my shooting form. I have a bit too much draw lenght with my bow. But it helps me to get my back muscles to work the shot if you understand what i mean. But i have now very serious aiming problem. My pins are all the time on the right side of the target i am trying to hit. Is it possible that my draw lenght is the problem or what ? Br Mikko Kyle
I have quite serious target panic as well, but trying to find some other reason for such a problem.
Which on of your instructional videos goes into detail about the grip?
This video here will go over the most detail on grip and bow arm: www.rcrchery.com/product-page/form-draw-length-loop-length-dvd-1
This is my Form video that goes step by step on building up your form from top to bottom.
does your draw length change going from wrist release to thumb trigger?
It's possible to have to adjust some based on how you were anchoring previously and the angle of the string to the face.
sorry, i'm Asian, so the string never touch my nose, on wrist release, i been anchoring my knuckle behind my ears
If my groups are affected positively, will send you one of our club t-shirts as soon as they are printed.
Hopefully you get a positive affect then because the shirt would be cool! But mostly because you'll have a positive affect on your shooting too!
i have a tuning problem can u help
The dog was so still at the beginning of the video I thought it was a 3D target.
He was a good listener haha
same
I keep shooting to the right even when I adjust my sight!
have you shot the pse preform x yet ???
No such luck. I ordered a 3D with the standard and I'm waiting till the standards come out next month to get them both now looks like.
what is the string on you left thumb for?
It's a finger sling. It catches the bow on the shot for me and keeps it from coming out of my hand.
is this equivalent to an strap?
Somewhat yes. same concept. I just prefer the finger version as I feel more confident in it's application and it catching my bow each time. The riser of my bow will actually come out to it and that's what keeps my bow from coming completely out of my hand.
I see one that you're doing not pulling your bow back straight.
I prefer to not pull the string straight back to my face and instead have it slightly off to the side just in case anything happens with the release firing prematurely. No broken noses!
I can’t stop holding low on the x
My eye tell my brain to tell my
Body to hold below the x so it can see what it wants to hit and I don’t like it because it’s a nightmare for hunting
Try dropping the elbow on your release arm a little.
Omg- I suffer from points 4-6