Methuselah OLDEST TREE LOCATION REVEALED, Bristlecone Pine, Schulman Grove
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The oldest know tree is over 4851 years old, but its exact location has been a guarded secret. We show you the ancient tree and tell you how to visit it at the Ancient Bristlecone Pine forest in the Inyo National Forest's Schulman Grove on the road to White Mountain north of Big Pine, California. This tree's identity is hidden by the forest service, but it was featured in National Geographic is 1958. Since then, the Forest Service has promoted other trees such as Dead Sentry, which is an obviously dead, but picturesque, bristlecone pine. There was an assertion of an older living tree's coring, but that core has not been independently verified by scientists.
Methuselah is actually in the clearly marked Methuselah Grove in the Methuselah Trail just outside the Schulman visitor center. Pick up a paper map at the start of the trail. A picture of Methuselah is outside the pit toilets with Dr. Schulman, who discovered it, embracing the ancient pine in July 2021. Methuselah is between trail marker 16 and 17. It is to your right as you pass marker 17 following the trail markers from 1 to 24. Its base is surrounded by a dead tree. Most of its branches are spikes dead and weathered orange sticking up like spikes. Nevertheless, the ancient tree has live bark and pine needles that grow for up to 40 years. (Don't touch the pine needles. You could kill the oldest living thing on earth!) The Ancient Bristlecone forest grows at between 9,000 and 11,000 feet above see level in the White Mountain range.
There are two things that signal a really old living Bristlecone Pine:
1. Part of its bark is gone and part of its trunk and branches are orange, but there is living bark and pine needles.
2. It has several feet of exposed roots. This is caused by slow erosion that erodes the white dolomite soil to wear away at a foot per 1,000 years on average.
When visiting the Ancient Bristlecone Forest you should not touch the ancient trees or take anything from them or the forest floor. To do so would be criminal and immoral. Stay on the trail at all times. You could kill an ancient tree or destroy a fragile ecosystem by going off trail. The Methuselah trail hike is a 4.5 mile loop with 800 feet of elevation gain. I saw a family with a baby carriage on it. That is probably a mistake. It should only be attempted by good hikers. Methuselah is right on trail between 16 and 17 at GPS coordinates of 37.37913, -118.16593.
Scientists have used bristlecone pine rings from live trees such as Methuselah and other cored living and dead trees to come up with more accurate dating for for ancient history going back farther than 10,000 years.
Check out this blog by FamousRedwoods.com about finding Methuselah
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Please take this video down - and please remove the GPS coordinates. It's certainly debatable if this is the actual Methuselah tree, but the risk is too great for the general public to know its location. The Scientist that knows where the tree is, refuses to disclose the location of the tree. He said that anonymity is the trees greatest defense against it being vandalized or worse killed. He is right. Those that argue here that no one is going to hike that far to harm the tree certainly have not studied enough history to realize what great lengths humans have gone to do harm.
It’s only marginally harder to summit White Mountain than visit Methuselah. The park built a trail to it and named the trail after the tree.
I went through the trail today. I seen no one carrying an axe or chainsaw.
Ironically a nearby tree older than Methusela was chopped down by.... a scientist and the USFS. Now we're supposed to trust the same group of people responsible for killing the formerly oldest known non clonal tree with protecting the next one down the line? 😂
I agree.
It’s not the methuselah. It’s the 2 nd decoy tree.
Please don't reveal the location of this treasure. Let it remain anonymous. Not everyone who might visit because of this info are respectful of tree and its history, some can do harm too.
We want this tree to be safe and protected .
Too late now. Thank goodness someone revealed it, hiding this from people is unacceptable. Even older trees had their location known for decades and are fine
There was one bristlecone that was even older than methusela but it was cut down to be an attraction at a local bar. Thousands of years and is killed so drunks can sit their beer on it.
That's not methuselah... If you download the national geographic article on the 12th page of the article shows Schulman with the real Methuselah and it's a very large tree
Everyone is getting upset about posting this video. We have no proof that this person located the tree. He is guessing. The GPS coordinates are not even on the trail where he claims the tree is, but points to a ridge way off the trail. The trail is open for visitors so this is not an issue. Probably did this to get comments and views. So, chill.
The tree is correct.
The tree is the correct one. Pay more attention in the visitor center- you can see its picture on the wall
@@jakemason7205 Thanks, I will next time.
@@jakemason7205 Thanks again.
It’s the. Second decoy tree. The first is main decoy. Throws off 95 percent. That tree 2nd decoy tree. Throws of 99 percent of the rest
Just came back from Methuselah trail. Here is something you should consider:
#1, it is 10,000+ feet, so don't underestimate 4.5 mile trail (only 300 feet elevation during the trail). Don't go if you have heart problem.
#2, get to the view point (about 2.5 miles before visiting center) before sunrise. It snowed the day before we went there, and the view was unbelievable.
#3, You are supposed to walk the trail counter-clockwise, but we made a wrong turn and went clockwise, the slope is much better but longer, and I think it is easier.
#4, it takes about 1.5 hours of driving from Bishop to the visitor center, from 4,000 feet to 10,000 feet, last 3 miles of driving is scary.
Good luck.
Definitely, the walk is not easy, and the drive is scary.
Whats up with the drive? Need 4wd?
@@g0tsp33d No, the road is very narrow for two cars with nothing on the side of cliff.
This fellow clearly isn't a trial lawyer or an Oxford Union debater. His arguments, such as they are, are so weak that they shouldn't convince anyone. Let's consider a few of them.
1. The Methuselah tree's location has been kept secret for about a lifetime. After the tree's discovery, Inyo National Forest erected the buildings and fashioned the trails that now can be seen at the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest. If one of your tasks back then had been to keep the location of this tree secret, would you carve a trail that leads right next to it, so that you could touch the tree by stepping a little bit off the trail, or would you place the trail quite some distance from it?
2. First, Linus Wilson concludes that Methuselah must be located between trail markers 16 and 17 because that's the middle of the loop trail. He later contradicts himself and gives mileage numbers that indicate that location isn't close to the middle of the loop. But assume his original claim about being at the middle of the loop were correct. If you, as someone assigned to keep the location of the tree secret, were designing a trail in the grove that contains it, would you see to it that the tree would be at the halfway point, which is where at least some visitors might expect to find it? (No, you wouldn't, because you're smarter than that.)
3. Wilson repeatedly offers the roots as proof of that the tree he points to as Methuselah really is that tree. But most Bristlecone pines have exposed roots because nearly all of them are on slopes, not on level ground. Some of the trees Wilson shows have roots that are more exposed that his "Methuselah." Exposure is in large measure a function of the angle of the slope: a steeper slope will see more rock and soil washed away over the years. Exposure, on its own, tells us nothing about the age of the tree.
4. Wilson several times mentions a photograph of Edmund Schulman hugging what is said to be Methuselah. But notice that Wilson never displays a copy of that photo next to the tree he thinks is Methuselah--and for good reason. Look carefully at the photograph, then compare it to the tree that Wilson claims is Methuselah. His tree is skinny--"spikey," as he puts it. To the extent we can see the tree next to Schulman, it isn't like that, it's thicker, and the coloration is different.
5. Lastly, let me join with those who say that Wilson has been irresponsible in posting this video. I am quite sure that the tree he points to isn't Methuselah (none of the evidence he proffers indicates that), yet I am nearly as sure that at some point some fool watching his video will go to that tree and snap off a branch as a souvenir. Perhaps that fool will be joined by several buddies who will do the same. Such vandalism would be easy to accomplish because that tree is small and fragile. (No one has done the equivalent to, say, the General Sherman tree, for reasons that should be obvious.)
Cool! There's a creosote shrub in the Mojave that's 11,000+ years old. There's one in Coahuila province (Mexico) that is 10,000 yrs old.
Thx f/posting -
Thanks for the tip on the creosote. I guess if you expand the definition to clonal plants then the 80,000 year old tree root system wins the prize. I’m kinda tempted to visit the clonal trees in Utah which are only a few hundred years old but their roots are much older than any Bristlecone.
@@LinusWilson the pando
And the pando is dying
I believe you do not understand what a damage you are doing by publicly exposing this video. The damage may be much bigger than one made by most destructive tornado. I beg you, please pull back this video.
Hey, it’s already on the internet. I just googled its location. I also don’t believe Methusaleh is the oldest tree. It is just the oldest *named* tree.
@@SlowBoatSailing You are right. Methuselah is not the oldest bristlecone pine. Fortunately, the exact location of Alpha bristlecone pine, I believe, will remain well veiled and the tree will continue to grow in peaceful solitude. However, Methuselah is perhaps the second living oldest one and the most famous. Literally, this video just opened the gate of hell. It is nothing but a way to kill Methuselah by boosting vandalism because sick "souvenir collectors" do exist. Also I think that uploading the video is a crime (even if not intentional). For years, many people with a sound mind did their best to protect Methuselah from vandals by shrouding its location. Now somebody easily crashed all their efforts just by a click. That is not fair. That is not what people with a big heart do. Personally I know five souls at least (of course, there are much more of them) who are familiar with the tree and its exact location for years. However, no one of them ever made an attempt to sentence Methuselah to torment and fatal end. It is not too late to remove the video from RUclips. Every day, every hour makes a new cut into the heart of Methuselah.
@@arvyart ~ Yes indeed!
@@SlowBoatSailing I am so disappointed you did not delete the video yet. You should clearly know that soon after E. Schulman has discovered the age of Methuselah the Methuselah trail was developed and the tree was clearly signed for public. That was a huge mistake! “For some years it (Methuselah) was identified by a sign, but to foil vandals it is no longer marked and the Forest Service guards its location from the general public.” - Ronald. M. Lanner, “The bristlecone book - a history of the world’s oldest trees”, page 86. And it was about six decades ago when there were no internet and people did not have so many and modern vehicles to get to the area (plus the road was reconstructed and paved). So, YOUR VIDEO IS NOTHING BUT A KILLER SIGN TO BAD GUYS SHOUTING: HEY BROS, HERE IS THE VICTIM! And you know, that is not smart. Not at all.
“Should we hide the locations of Earth's greatest trees?” is a good article to read from San Francisco Chronicle by Robert Earle Howells, July 3, 2018 >>> www.sfchronicle.com/travel/article/Should-we-hide-the-locations-of-Earth-s-13046894.php
Also reading good books about bristlecone pines may totally change your attitude:
1. Michael P. Cohen - “A garden of Bristlecones - Tales of Change in the Great Basin”
2. Darwin Lambert - “Great Basin drama”
3. Ronald. M. Lanner - “The bristlecone book - a history of the world’s oldest trees”
4. Mark A. Schlenz (Essays) and Dennis Flaherty (Photography) - “A day in the ancient Bristlecone Pine forest”
Wish you to take the right choice asap.
@@arvyart I appreciate your passion about protecting the location of Methusaleh. I also know officials who know the location but protect it diligently. I posted my own comment requesting removal of the post today.
Mr. Wilson ~ Adding additional internet info that discloses the location of Methuselah could bring harm to this beloved natural treasure. Perhaps you're not considering the unintended consequences. Not all seekers will be the nature lover that you are. Please consider removing this video. Thank you.
I have already answered this question. Read my prior responses. Also learn how to use google in your daily life. Lol
@@SlowBoatSailing No possible answer can justify keeping this video up.
I know the author of this site has been getting a lot of criticism for posting the location of the Methuselah tree. Personally, I wish to thank him. I recently visited the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest and was able to find the Methuselah tree thanks to this video.
I want to say that I was totally respectful of not only the Methuselah tree, but of all the other Bristlecone pine trees in the Schulman Grove. It was a privilege and honor to walk among such ancient living beings. It was also a reminder of how short and fleeting our lives as humans really are. Those trees will still be there after all of us reading these comments are long gone.
In defense of the author of this video, I want to point out that the last time I visited the Visitor Center at the Schulman Grove, perhaps ten years ago, I had purchased a brochure with a map of the Methuselah trail provided by the park service. The trail map indicated where various numbered signposts were located, and the text noted that the Methuselah tree was between signposts 15 and 16. Although it did not specify which tree was Methuselah, the span between locations 15 and 16 is probably the smallest segment in the walk, with only a dozen or so trees next to the trail. Methuselah is not a very well kept secret.
perhaps its not the actual location and the brochure is just a tourist trap.
@@mariasokolova2958 I doubt it. When the trail was made decades ago, the park service did not have a problem letting people know where Methuselah was located. They built the trail purposely so that the public would pass by the Methuselah tree and see it. I've read that they even had a sign identifying the tree back then. It was a simpler and more trusting time. Today, we know how stupid and destructive some people can be, sadly.
Shame on you for revealing the location of this tree. The Park Service is protecting it for a reason. You should take this video down!
Are the surrounding Bristle-cone Pines trees the offspring of Methuselah?
I don’t know.
What happened to sailing...? Early follower until our boat sank...🤷🏻♂️...thinking about another but probably a couple few years away...hope you get back on the water!...I haven’t really been following many channels very often… Maybe you’ve already explained why you’re landlocked!???
SBS had a real-time update on the round the world trip here ruclips.net/video/Q3rI-1X0NV0/видео.html. I also have a video game channel that gets more views.
Take down the coordinates and description. There is no reason for the general public to need access to one of the oldest trees in the world. No good will come of it. Thank you.
I viewed your video and also the photo of Shulman with his tree. But there’s so very little on his pic that you can use to verify that, that’s the actual tree. Unless other ppls out there also found that same tree you found.
But this comes to the question, from what photos did you use to confirm the tree? You have to have at least 3 diff angles and visual perspective of the tree to actually mark its identity. Simply trying to match a sharp branch from the tree you saw comparing to the one Shulman held, is almost imaginational. So in a way I truly believe, you’ve not found the actual tree.
As I said there are some reports that there are older unnamed trees than Methuselah.
Nice job ! Now people can chop it to pieces thanks to you.
You need to have a more positive outlook.
You can make all the excuses you want for posting this, but the bottom line is that your actions here are wildly irresponsible and show no actual care for the tree, which you are plainly exploiting for your own self aggrandizement. You add nothing to the discussion, the tree, or the world by posting this video with your hyped up title and pointless ramblings.
Do you understand that the people whose job is to care for the forests, the experts at the Forest Service, have kept this location a secret for 50+ years? Do you understand that there’s a reason that they did this? So who are you to go and bypass their decades of effort to protect a global treasure and post its location for the world to see?
Risible behavior that makes the world a lesser place. Shameful.
Lol I just googled the tree. I did not research it’s location for years. I also don’t think this is the oldest tree in the grove.
Lol shut up dude. Corporations are deadlier to that tree than someone going for the long hike.
@@NitroTheRhino Now that corporations know where it is. It'll be like that scam where they sold perfume and makeup from the "last" frankincense tree.
To put the sheer stupidity of what you said into perspective, consider that Old Tjikko had its location known for decades. The tree is almost twice as old as Methuselah too. Its location is known, and you can visit it. Hiding it from people, however, is unacceptable and outrageous, and I'm glad someone finally did the right thing
You're so angry and so misguided 😂 you should talk to a counselor, not a RUclips creator about this.
I thought that this tree was cut down a long time ago by some scientist dude.
That was another tree in Nevada
This is amazing that you actually found it
If you really didnt want people to touch the tree (which isnt the oldest tree, you got fooled) then you wouldnt try to reveal its location. You're just seeking attention.
That's why you can't video the tree without showing yourself in frame along with it. This video isn't about trees and it's certainly not about the welfare of these trees. It's about you.
From the little research I've done, a few hours on Google, this twig is not Methuselah! Logic alone will tell you that a 5000 year old tree would be very thick, and not a thin, scrawny tree. I'm thinking this tree you show is maybe 1000 to 2000 years old if that. All the pictures I've seen of methuselah are of a very large, thick tree which stands to reason. 👍😎✌🗽
Nah. Just forest service misinformation.
@@SlowBoatSailing Also, I highly doubt they would place the trail right next to the oldest tree in the world, not logical to me. I do think there are many trees as old, or older up there, and they are a national treasure that IMO should be guarded 24/7! With all the tech we have this should be easy to accomplish. These are one of kind, irreplaceable trees, it's not like the Redwoods, or the Sequoias where the trees abound. It's a shame there are freaks out there who would harm these trees, but they do exist, and the trees need protection, maybe a volunteer force?👍😎✌🗽
P.S. I'm not one of those who cares whether you publish the site of Methuselah as anyone who has ideas of harming these trees will likely attack more than one. If they attack the one you specified, I think they got the wrong tree! 😁
@@TOM-C. That is literally what the trail guide says. Methuselah grows right along the trail. And I can confirm that the tree is Methuselah, the same tree appears in a National Geographic article. The caption underneath identifies it as Methuselah. A cropped version also appears on the visitor center wall. Size isn't everything and means nothing. The Patriarch is far larger than Methuselah but is less than 2,000 years old. In the UK, there is a 1300 year old oak which is smaller than a 600 year old oak
Did they drill every tree the thought might be the oldest? That's the only way to be accurate.
Why is the government the biggest gatekeeper? If they care that much, put a freaking ranger out there. No, let's deprive all of humanity from seeing this beauty. Thanks.
Yeah, no. I guarantee that's not Methusalah, though I won't reveal how I know, for damn good reasons. And this whole post is just so much click bait.
This is nothing more than a guess on your end and it is very reckless to post a video like this. Back in 2008 an arsonist burned-down the Visitor's Center. Your video encourages these mentally disturbed individuals to destroy national treasures such as this tree, and now, just to get likes on you channel, you lead these people right to it... The right thing to do is to take this video down immediately.
You are paranoid. Hmm should we lie about everything of value on the off chance a madman may target it? Live your life in fear.
Live your life in fear. Even if you live as old as the Llangernyw Yew, which is older than Methuselah and had the location known for centuries and its age for decades, you will realise ultimately how selfish and paranoid you are. The tree is the correct one as well, its photo appears on the visitor center and in the National Geographic article.
Well this tree will be gone soon people can't help themselves destroy anything nice !
that is a fake as well. we all have been deceived again ! .... LOL !!!
Keep crying lol.
@@jakemason7205
exactly.... crying with laughter for your stupidity.....lol !!!
I wish it’s location was never revealed. Some woke piece of shut is going to cut it doing citing it represents racism somehow.
Yeah someone is gonna go all the way out here hike 5 miles above 10,000 feet to cut the tree that sounds really stupid and pointless lmao
Lol you're projecting hard 😆
Uhh... did Old Tjikko get cut down? The Llangernyw Yew? Pando?
Go play in traffic, MAGAt.
Please take this down. Keep the general public away from this tree.
He won't. Get over it.
MEH
This doesn’t look anything like the images I’ve seen… lol
What a racket