How To Mix Rock Guitars (and get them WIDE!) - Into The Lair #86
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2013
- Learn how to mix your electric guitars to get them sounding big and wide in the 86th Into The Lair from Pensado's Place!
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That tip about "Keep the mud in the middle" is also great for synth bass. I just tried it and it sounds great! It gives a good basic depth, yet gave a small hint of the higher frequencies to a wider pan.
As a guitar-playing engineer and music producer I have to say Dave has a great understanding of the guitarist's sonic role in rock and pop music. Guitars can easily fill a whole lot of space in a mix, so understanding tone and effects so well can save a bunch of grief finding the best palette for them. Bravo, Dave. Great tutorial!
Let's keep the mud in the middle, hyuhhyuhyuhuuhuhuhuhh!!! +1
Dave, you know why I love you? You're just a regular everyday normal guy. As the song says. Plain, simple and you're another hand that feeds my brain. Thank you for that, wish I had your address to send you home-made booze. Your knowledge and the spirit of sharing precious advice is just unbelievable. Just to let you know, you're the most likable guy in the mixing society. All the best man, happy new year. You're music to my tinnitus ears.
i love how much you give back to the audio community, always great tips!
Man, that trick to put the mud in mono and the rest to the sides it's brilliant!
Love this attitude, both your personality and in your music! Great tutorial. Thanks so much for sharing this.
That was a nice trick with the Brainworx plugin. Ive always felt like there was too much low end (mud) around the stereo edges when you push it wide. Nice trick.
dude just found the right plugins and gave the knowledge to the world, real HERO
I like how he says "we wanna juuuuusst kiss it" ....and he totally jams the signal with so many effects it's not even recognizable. I'd love to see what he does when he wants to really affect the sound : D
+legendzfall hahah thats great. so funny
It is like Gordon Ramsay's "just touch of oil")
@@valik-stu Gordon (mix engineer version): That guitar is RAWW !
Thanks for the heads up on the Brainworks plug. That's so good. So right about guitar players and tone.... BTW you always teach me something and make me smile which is very cool!
Mister, i love you're style of presenting your shows!
this is probably one of the best channels i decided to subscribe to. thankyou!
awesome as always dave! thank you for this!
great dude!!, clean and simple, very pleasant sound
loved it Dave . Im using Diamond eq and iv just downloaded your eq made for Acustica.
That was great, not simple, but straight forward. Nice insight, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for uploading this. It really helped :)
Thank you, Dave! Great vid!
This guy is the best in the bzness hands down thank u once again sir
I totally agree. I'd love to have heard this in the mix.
I love this guy, the best one
I am a guitarist and only an amateur mixer - but it is my personal preference to produce as honestly as possible. I want to be able to reproduce the sound that is on the record(ing) on a live stage as well. That means that if you screw up my original sound with all the plugins, I have no idea how to reproduce it. I'd rather do a retake with slightly different setting on my gear - that way I have the preset stored for live performance.
And voila!! It sounds like a synth... : )
hahahahahahahaha
this is great stuff man. could do a video abut mixing lapsteel or dobro?
"..a meal, we're not adding a ton of jalapeños, we're just putting a little spice on it ..."
LOL engineers are the best at describing concepts. Love it!!
There is nothing like double tracking, but a very good tutorial... "Let's keep the mud in the middle" !!
great idea with spreading out the high frequencies and not the lower "mud," gonna try that
Your one of the best of the best.
After watching a lot of this guys videos I'm starting to see a common theme. That is in my opinion he is doing like an infomercial for plugins. I respect this guy and all but he really never gets beyond just using plugins. If you want to separate and differentiate your guitars and get them WIDE! A good engineer can do just that without all the digital crap. Using double tracking / layering, mic placement, phasing, delay. You get the same result, this is ole school stuff that this guy should know..
***** " If you want to separate and differentiate your guitars and get them WIDE! A good engineer can do just that without all the digital crap. Using double tracking / layering, mic placement, phasing, delay. You get the same result, this is ole school stuff that this guy should know.."
He's saying it like Dave wouldn't do any of those things if he was doing the tracking but my point is that he doesn't do the tracking for all these mixes. How can he go back and use all those techniques if he isn't doing the tracking? That's why he has to resort to doing all these tricks to get the guitars wide.
He was a highly stylized you! Very respectful young man, a credit to you.
my friend where did you find that awesome chair?
is it just me or does it start to sound really phasey when you introduced that izotope plugin and even more with the doubler and widener?
when comes to record great stereo guitars, i really believe that the best technique is record two different but similar guitar takes and put each one on separate channels (left and right), very old technique but probably the best one, the guitar gets so big, it can be tricky if it is a complex guitar but the payoff is huge, i do it most of the time, anyways tx so much for sharing your great knowledge with us im a big fan by the way
whenever i cant get a player to nail something twice, i put the amp'd signal on the left and a direct signal with fake amp emulator plugins on the right just so they sound different then use Dave's micro tempo automation thingy he showed us to make every other note a smidge late or early. it's just enough to fake it good lol
@Lawson Russell that would account for the two tones but not two different timings. there is no right or wrong way, though. i'm sure many of huge records have guitars done all three ways mentioned here.
@Lawson Russell commonly enough... both...
Two mics will be used to capture Tonal variation, and will always sound like one guitar. Use a dark mic and a bright mic, maybe you could pan those but generally only tiny amnt if any. Afterwards you can balance them like an EQ.
Two takes makes timing, pitch variations, two completely different signals but with similar-or like two guitars playing
Someone else said it and it’s still true. Trash 2 is the most underrated plugin in the plugin folder. The best guitar distortion pedal sim on the market
finally !!!!!!!!!!!! thanks a million Sir !
He said 5K but if you take a look at the dip on the plug he is actually pulling out around 500 hz. Dave is an amazing engineer and keep watching his videos and you will continue to learn. He doesn't always say what he actually means :) I think it's just a test to see if you where using your ears and not just listening to him talk haha
Stumbled here somehow and glad I did. Really great advice. Wish I knew 1/100th about recording. Maybe even 1/1000th!
flawless!!
that ending though 😅
Very cool! Thank you
2021. Great video!
Dave's a guitarist, Right?! Sounds great as always.
Legend!
is there much difference between the waves doubler to that micro shift in terms of wideness? you mentioned you didn't want the verse gtr too wide,. but sounds to me the microshift is quite similar only different in terms of character -
You're awesome, Dave. It just had to be said.
How does one keep on notice for when plugins are being released free? I one on Avids website about six months ago. How do you monitor for these freebies, Dave? Also, very grateful to your tutorials. I recently finished my engineering apprenticeship with RRF Connection and find all your videos very helpful.
I love the microshift! Try it on Crewshouts, too! :)
What you said about not needing too many jalapenos, but just a little bit of spice, I got that on a deeper level, lol. I'm from the South too.
4:10 You can also do this with mid side eq. Just put a high pass filter at 300Hz in the side channel.
I wanted to hear the final result of both :( but I still prefer to double track them with different guitars, amps, pedals, eq, etc
Very very very cool! Thanks...
Cool! Fantastic
I think you just said the magic words.... "keep the mud in the middle" and I can visualize where that opens up the stereo image to breathe...
what is the routing here? are both tracks going to an aux bus? or one guitar? are all those effects on one track?
I couldn't tell from the video.. did you pan the guitars at all or were they straight up the middle?
It would be really nice to hear the guitars in context of the whole track. Heard this way, they sound really processed to me, although they probably fit the song perfectly.
any ideas for how to make your rhythm guitars stand out from your melody/lead? i am using different amps and trying to focus on different mid range frequencies but its still sounds weak! im no jimi hendrix or eddie kramer but you can listen to recordings and see there is a softness to the backing. when i add rhythm to drums it sounds workable, then i add lead on top and poopy poo. please help! thanks
The issue can be that many people listen to music on smartphones and as the speaker is mono, or very close together on the phone, you may get an undesireable phasing effect when using certain doublers, or when shifting two mono guitar samples on left and right ear by a tiny amount.
This is sooo true!
Your the man!!
Man, I would love to hear all these things and examples in context. Never will I have to mix a verse guitar by itself, don't matter if i got it sounding kickass on its own, if it doesnt work with the other parts does it?
This is really kewl!
Brilliant thanks.
I liked the way they sounded without added effects, but as far as tips, there interesting.
2:28 From Offspring to 90s Metallica Sound right there.. Amazing
you are wonderful Dave , whatever I have leaned, I owe a major part to you , just one little request , so many times when you tell us how you made a particular sound by using a certain plugin , the only choice we feel we have is to have that plugin , so you yourself can evaluate better what is it or what is the process in that plugin that has made that sound .....so that we know how can we achieve that effect with other things, I can't make out on my own, I just understand that if I don't have that plugin,I can't do it till I get it......and that video becomes of little use to me.Thanks for everything.
+mudh Think in terms of basic components. For instance: making your low frequencies mono - there's a number of ways you can do it but essentially you're splitting a signal into two parts: low and high. In Live you can make an Audio Effect Rack with 2 chains (lol 2 chainz) with an eq and Utility on each. The EQ can determine which band you're affecting and the Utility can control stereo width. You don't need all his plugins to get similar results. Just ask yourself, "How can I do this with what I have?" If you don't know what you got or what your current tools do then what good will more plugins do you? In that case it's time to crack open the manual or watch instructional vids on what you already do have. Peace.
That's what I do! You have to watch your phase on your crossovers though! Don't want any holes!
What chair are you sitting in? That thing is dope!
Legend!
I am confused by thinking you have to have 2 guitars recorded separately and to pan them 100%left and 100% right. if I do this with guitar plugins will they loose the tone or sound when they are panned if I use your system or way this tone loss or quality would not occur
"We're not adding a ton of japalenos, we're just putting a little spice on it." Love it.
THANKS PENSADO!!!
4:42 lololo totally agreed fat frequencies should stay in the middle and the most centered as possible
Agh, I'm finding more I try to learn how the pros do it more difficult and choked up I get in my mix process and in forming new ideas. I think everyone should just experiment like hell with all the plugins they have or can get. You can come up with crazy cool sounds that way and its totally original. Hell with sounding like the pros, if its good its good, all you need is the ear to know when its good and when its bad.
Sam Borgman agreed. Experimentation is key
your plugins r so cheap but i love how you know how to use them.
Moreover, what Dave was doing was showing his students tools and techniques that are at your disposal when tackling the task of mixing guitars. But, as someone previously said to you, it seems peculiar that you hear only the guitar and immediately know that it needs 5k. What if the record is a darker record? An arbitrary 5k boost may make the guitars stick out -- you're right -- but that may be detrimental. If you do know how to mix, John, I surmise it should be rather easy to agree with this.
thx so much sir
what's the name of the McDSP Eq that dave is using @ 0:57?
Very cool if you only have one guitar available, otherwise you would layer them left and right to get a wide effect, right?
If you are looking for a mix engineer, try Raz Klinghoffer, he's truely one of the best
this is the fix it in the mix style.not always the best,tho i understand he's just tryin to sweeten things up a bit but you should always work the sound and lay the tracks down,sounding as good as possible.add a bit of compression.i find a good e.q,the bbe sonic maximizer and and old artverb works great for me
Why does this not play anyone know? as i need to use it as a reference on mixing rock guitars for my assignment at university, does anyone know of any good videos online I can watch to help me
Was that guitar panned right up the center?
I imagine recording with this man would be like recording with The Dude from Big Lebowski. And that's meant as a compliment.
He strikes me a little bit of both The Dude... and yet I suspect there is a touch of Walter in him... but since your name is Kyle... now I hear him with Cartman's voice.... lol!
I'm not sure that anyone can say that one method is best in all circumstances. Sometimes a mix may need a guitar part that is subtly wide. I think it's important to have parts in a mix that don't call too much attention to themselves, then the more important parts don't need to compete.
Also I've had guitarists hope that double tracking will cover inconsistencies in the playing, (sometimes it works) - so it does cut both ways.
4:45 is gold dave pensados
Love this show. The only issue I have with this ITL is it would have been nice if he would have played the guitars "in the sauce". I'm sure copy rights make it tough for him to do that. Reason I wanted to hear them in the mix is by themselves after he put the iZotope plugin on the guitar, personally thought it sound cheap and too much 2-3k nasal screech, sounded so full and warm before the plugin was engaged.
that soundtoys plugin
which widener is he using?
I was just about to say the same thing! Great ITL though.
Any of these available on iOS GarageBand
So he's sending a mono guitar to a widening send? Is this maybe what he does when he's not given double tracked material?
Double tracking would give a similar but different effect. Also if you are only mixing a track, there might not be a double.
it is work in live streaming band ?
This program the pro tools???
I love how Dave looks for new ways to get a different sound he is looking for. That's the way it should be. To many people copy what someone else learned and call it there own nowadays its pitiful. Music should be you're own style and taste and no two people see art the same way or hear it the same way. The best you can do is capture the idea and feeling and hopefully convey it to you're audience.
So the guitars were originally recorded as one parts? (no doubling of parts) ?
Thats some very weird modern production...
I personally think doubled rhythm guitars always sound better, fatter and punchier, and a lot smoother, cuz of the different tones, amps, guitars used.
+Tomer Iser I'd say all this video is weird. I know he's famous and successful and I'm just wondering how's that possible.
its all about keeping it very subtle. less can be better sometimes
@@turdfox98 and then shrugging your shoulders when you can't do any single modern technique (while I'm all for subtelty -where appropriate-).
i usually just double track my guitars
Cale King, why?
@@mrflynn01 why? cause that's the way to do it.
Alejandro Moro, how about phase in your recordings?
@@mrflynn01 what's wrong with that? it's just something that you need to check. 99% guitars in ALL records are doubled. Are you just starting producing / mixing?
Alejandro Moro, new to the recording business?
That’s not what my gold and platinum records say.
Personally, I would have just done a Mid Side or XY Mic pattern on the cab and mixed it that way. I wouldn't be too happy if I gave that nice-sounding guitar track to be mixed and it came back with a chorus kind of sound.
Could someone discuss the panning of guitars. I've heard differing opinions. I usually go mono and a bit to the right. The brainworx plug-in is a good suggestion. Never heard of it. Must try.
Why only right? Izotope is great. I like to sometime double my track, boost a certain freq range slightly on left, and boost different freq on right. Cut most all lows and add some distortion as well to make it crispy
Makes sense. Run it through a muiltiband plugin with different eq and panning for high mid and low. I can picture it in Abelton but do not have pro tools. I enjoy Amplitube and Reason's Scream rack unit. What I lack is good analog tube sounding guitars that saturate without mudding everything else or sounding to tinish in order to compensate.
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I wanted to search this comment thread for an alternative to Little Microshift (since it's unavailable anywhere) and found it difficult to follow. I'm relatively new to Dave's videos and as someone who watches these videos to learn, I know there are others who feel like I do. Could we all please abide by some guidelines:
1) Anyone who disagrees with Dave and has less accomplishments and credits, please save the "Dave, I disagree" for your buddies. If you can elaborate or clarify something, great. But unless your name is Randy Staub, please don't offer your advice on mixing rock guitars or any other topic, it muddies up the thread.
2) It takes a lot of time and effort to produce these videos and I prefer applying notes taken from an accomplished expert to stumbling around on my own. If you're mad because Dave misspeaks every once in a while, please keep your ingratitude to yourself. Is there anyone with Dave's pedigree out there sharing their knowledge like this? If so, I'm unaware. Either way, show some respect and make an effort to let Dave know we appreciate him.