Elden Ring's mechanics are a trap rosiebellmoo reacts to Leviathan and Asmongold
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some people in the comments are being a bit much, to me and also commenting unkindly or insulting remarks to others for sharing criticism or their own ideas of what was hard to understand, I do try to humour different opinions, but its not really worth the time or energy with volatility. I don't want to feel like I encourage that, since I like reading my comments and everywhere else seems to be pretty respectful to each other, so I think I will ignore/remove comments that are just blatant insults, theres plenty of places to do that but not in the few spaces I have
i made a super long comment. and i hope you check it out because i love discussing this. and honestly i think its something about miyazaki's design philosophies that are unknown to plenty of people who've tried his game. it shows a different perspective of why his games are the way they are. at least i try to elaborate but i ramble a bit.
@@Shad0wmoses i never mind discussion ! or differences in opinion as long as its not insults or unkindness ^^ but i willl need to read later as i have bad brain fog today!
to be entirely fair, you were kind of abrasive/ignorant/wrong on certain facts a couple of times in this video, but thats obviously not grounds to harass you. Sorry to hear that you have to deal with that. And you can obviously have differing opinions, but being dismissive of or wrong about something that people are very passionate about will annoy people and pushback is to be expected.
@datzfatz2368 feel free to tell me I don't mind . I think maybe the reason is that on stream the context has been there that I've been berated multiple times and been condescending when I don't know something like it was "obvious" and It isn't. People just expect you to have years of knowledge and it can feel unacknowledged that people must not remember being new or like to use the opportunity to feel smarter.
They say they love nuance but look at everything so black and white when people criticize the game..and don't take the time to look into my content or multiple days streaming it..at least I'm making the effort to try to understand and voice my opinions without going out of my way to be directly mean to someone else .
Anyways. Am learning . Am not incapable of thinking I'm wrong . I am still playing the game. And I have also voiced that many many times that it's my first time playing the game and any from fromsoft.
But again. I think i didn't realize how my words were going to sound different outside of the context of the live stream and current difficulties I was facing..that people in chat saw in real time that day..and that week. I don't normally talk a ton about games I'm currently playing in a deep context so I think I was "right" in the room I was in and wrong in the context that on yt it could be perceived without that context that I believed everything was "fact" and not "what I'm experiencing right now "
I think one thing that gets overlooked about the Souls series is that there's an entire big community of people creating content, wikis, and videos to try to HELP people clear the games and understand the lore. The in game messages, bloodstains, summoning, and co-op are all designed to encourage "jolly cooperation" between players.
I think as a streamer its harder to notice that, because you are so laser focused on your own stream/content, and you've got backseaters trying to help you (but they don't really help).
That cooperative aspects of the Souls community isn't an accident, its something FromSoft deliberately tries to encourage with their (admittedly) unconventional approach to game design.
I think the bloodstains/coop are awesome. I know about the wiki to! But I do think I shouldn't have to go outside the game to do hw and that it is a sign the game could do better at guiding the player. I feel that's fair criticism and that even though elden ring is great ..its not immune to criticism. It can have all the things it does now and do better at guiding the player without resorting to handholding ^^
True. Specially the in-game messages. My first time through Elden Ring I jumped all of Godfrey's ground slams on my winning attempt thanks to a message.
The message was something typical of Souls games like "Be wary of ground therefore try jumping" or whatever. It worked the first time, I got absolutely smacked the subsequent times. But because it worked the first time, I kept trying and eventually that slam went from the move I was struggling the most to the move I had the easiest time dodging.
Then Hoarah Loux happened and it went about as expected for a first-timer. But I'm a pro wrestler, small indie one, and getting paid for powerbombed instead of doing the powerbombing felt like a nice change of pace.
@@Rosiebellmoo I honestly think it's so much better to tell the players as little as possible and literally let them figure it out themselves. I love how much I was able to learn peerly through theory testing and going out of my way to test everything out for myself and I feel that isn't something I would be able to enjoy if it's hardwired into the game to hint and guide me to it. Discovering which enemies are parriable and which ones aren't and which attacks are parriable and which ones aren't is fun to me. It goes back to older classic games when gaming was just starting like Diablo. I love that stat debuffs aren't told to you, it's up to you to find and take notice of it. Yellow Zombies that permanently shorten your health bar every time they touch you, that's fun to me. Even to the point where if you don't notice something until it's much too late to the point you either deal with it...or trash the game and start over from the beginning. Vampyr did something sorta similar in essence that killed a character you could've interacted with, but because the game is always on autosave, if you make the wrong decisions prior to a boss fight, that character will die before you can even gain access to her part of game. I want more of this, more secrets and hidden mechanics that the devs are okay with never being discovered. The Nameless King could've been a boss no one ever fought if nobody ever figured out the puzzle to get to his location and I think that's what makes finding him an amazing mystery.
@@leoncoben6983 btw, im not advocating for changing things like player discovery or finding things out, im saying sometimes the answers are not intuitive in any way (like with the pause function being in the help menu) and it could just be ..not there, since most people dont know it exists. Its not so black n white, just think some things dont really, correlate with eachother, not that i want the game to have yellow paint ^^
Ya, you might be going through hell, but you're not alone. Sometimes people will help, or invade you... or troll you with messages telling you there's a secret passage where there isn't, but you're not alone.
Reactor reacting to a reactor reacting to a video, lol reactception.
is very op strat, just like jumping instead of rolling
ngl, it's a genuine format just because genuine react content is transformative, Asmon adds his own commentary and takes
totally not saying this for the parasocial feeling of watching youtube with the buds nope not at all haha
Dont need bunny ears or tail. Cows can jump over the moon 😁
Yes true ^^
Careful..., she's learning...
I am still early game but am attempting very hard to cook 😤
When I explained the appeal of Fromsoftware's style, I cautioned a co-worker, who badly wants to get into the games, 'You need to understand that the primary source of lore is through environmental story telling. It's hiding in plain sight, and every player can glimpse a part of it another can't: so, if you want to learn the fine points, you need to engage with other players.'
Rosie, these games encourage investigation and interpersonal speculation; you're supposed to collaborate with the community and crowd source information. That's not "hand holding", that's called team work. Fromsoft are aware that their fans aren't kids, they're mostly adults with careers, some in architecture, some in history, some in astrology, some in art history; some are pagans; some are Catholics; some are Jewish, and some are Muslim. Some players are just cracked and will hit a wall a hundred times just to see if it's fake, confirm it is, and then immediately tell the community who will instantly try it out. Everyone's bringing their insights and specialties to the table.
These games have some of the most comprehensive world building in fantasy, applying concepts like iconoclasm, and, most important, lost history and unsolved mysteries. A good world builder knows that some questions are more compelling than any answer. Like a magic trick, the secret impresses no one more than the actual trick, and usually less. It's more realistic that some answers are just lost to a time abyss; and some are just unknowable. Where did Ungoliant come from in 'Lord of the Rings'? What was Lovecraft's 'Nameless City' called? How old are the Endless in 'Sandman'? If you're frustrated by the lore, that's because the lore is history and history is infamously convoluted, for every answer a legion of questions.
Sweaty enough for you?
I'm not sure why, but it feels much worse to me having to go online and read what people have pieced together about the mechanics or lore. If I can't find out the information in-game (including using stuff like the message system), I consider that information lost to me on principle, and I only turn online to read what other people have gathered when I've given up on the game completely. I treat it as spoilers - only appropriate to consume if you don't care anymore about your experience. As soon as I look something major up online for a game, I lose all motivation to play it myself, and at that point I might as well just watch a few videos and shelf the game.
When it comes to obscuring parts of the lore, it's different from mechanics, and even then I think there are parts that should not be obscured. If I'm playing a character in a world that's supposed to be cohesive, I need to know the basics of what the character would base their goals and motivations on. If I'm plopped into this world and am expected to control a character's actions, I don't really want to do it without having at least a slight idea of what would move this character to do anything at this point in time. Even if it's something as primitive as them also discovering and exploring the world from the ground-up just as I will be. I feel like fromsoft have been getting worse and worse at this each game. Dark Souls 1's intro gave you the basic creation myth, the situation with the world and enough context about yourself to get a feel of what you're even trying to do. And each subsequent game just lost bits of this until it became completely incomprehensible.
@@Antroid i think there is a middle ground where you can have many things for the player discovery but also have some things that can be criticized, elden ring is a masterpiece and everyone knows that, but its ok to acknowledge flaws, without it implying wanting to get rid of discovery all together, we can love these things, and still say some things are overly convoluted.
@@Antroid When it comes to core game mechanics, I 100% agree that there's room for improvement. The menu descriptions do not do the core mechanics justice. For example, saying arcane boosts 'some status attacks' is gallingly ambiguous; when what it should say is what specific status effects it buffs, like bleed and frost damage.
As for the lore, hey, I get it: not every style of story telling is for everyone. Shad Brooks loves the lore, but has, in multiple videos, excoriated its method of delivery, as a published author. Whereas Brandon Sanderson, who considers the DS franchise to be one of the greatest settings in fiction, and his first published book is hhhheavily inspired by it, he appreciates it bc its lore can only be delivered THAT way: bc it's a video game. Two accomplished story tellers: two vastly different opinions.
I agree there are better games when it comes to motivating the main protagonist, even a perfectly anonymous one. BioShock comes to mind. Jack goes to Rapture bc there was nowhere else to go; he fights to leave it bc the alternative is death. He has no internal drama, just an external melodrama forcing him to engage in Rapture's civil war. The game oozes with lore resplendent with iconic baddies like Ryan, Lamb, Fontaine, Steinman and Coen. Fromsoft, in contrast, just favors environmental storytelling. For example, have you gone inside a tomb and noticed jars on the ground and in the walls? Did you notice, when you roll into them, they're filled with ashes? They're cremation jars, and, if you read the description on the Death Poker, you can learn that bodies used to be cremated ,by Death Birds, using Ghostflame (which is still used for torches inside): which meabs those tombs have been repurposed. The Golden Order didn't make them, and that's why you'll see statuary with missing heads and hands everywhere. Those artifacts are victims of iconoclasm, the Golden Order destroying the iconography of the old religion, during the Crucible. It's why you'll see dragon statues with missing heads in the temples for dragon communion, temples which have plainly been burned to the rubble. Fromsoft LOVES adding that kind of historicity to its settings. It's one of the features that makes their games so damn replayable.
@@Rosiebellmoo I mean, I agree, basically. There's always room for improvement in just about anything, really, but, if the improvement* is taking apple pie and turning it into baklava, well, then you're not improving apple pie: bc that's not apple pie. I'm not saying that's what you're suggesting, just defining parameters. Not all criticism is valid when taste is involved. If you don't like seafood, bc it doesn't taste like chicken, then you're probably not going to like salmon as a rule; that's not the restaurant's fault. Likewise genre is important whenever we talk about what's a bug versus what's a feature.
Absolutely some details are... pointlessly convoluted. For example, just to nail the point of complaints, there's a spirit ash of a hawk that "refuses to be called", it's too proud to be summoned, bc it was once a "Lord of the Storm"; the implication being that this hawk is THE hawk, the original Lord of Stormveil that Godfrey defeated, the hawk featured on all the plagues on all the barricades around the castle-- but why not just fucking say "This is that guy!" It costs nothing, it spoils nothing truly important, it's just a neat bit of lore that immerses the player in the world, and yet even that meanest of tidbits needs to be cryptic; so, yeah, totally: sometimes it is frustrating what details Fromsoft will just blurt out versus what's roundly implied. When you say these games can be needlessly obscure, well: you're not wrong 😆
What fans of this genre of RPG are bull-doggish about is Fromsoft hearing grumblings from tourists and massively overreacting.
Become the jump king, not the rolling lord
True this is the wisdom
As a Devil May Cry player, I was already doing that before I realized it was good.
I think the big thing elden ring expects you to do is, if one thing isn’t working, to try another. And to keep trying all those things rather than trying to make a one-size-fits-all build/strategy. It’s an rpg, you test out enemy weaknesses by using different types of attacks, you figure out how to survive theu a fight by seeing how effective dodging blocking running away jumping etc are to each boss, you get to a hard wall and you try a different direction or you level up and try to out-stat it. You learn these things by doing these things.
Or by watching tutorials (the online community-information-sharing thing has been baked into these games from the beginning too, they expect *someone* to figure it out and tell everyone else, either in game with hint messages, during co-op, or wherever they post about it online, it’s a legitimate strategy!!)
Game teaches you to jump attack as soon as the cave of knowledge (tutorial area) but I was so used to ds1 2 and 3 to not jump that I only started using it in combat on like the 3rd or 4th playthrough 😂
big problem with souls games is how a lot of stuff is counterintuitive
like why i can parry some asshole 3 times my size,but than some knight dude wouldn't be parryeble,and stuff like that
im not sure i know of any humanoid enemy that isnt parryable.
@@WookieWarriorz it was mostly exaggeration , but you probably got the point.Most are parryaeble but there are some exeptions.
It can be extended to bloks or jumps it just inconsistent at times.
@@WookieWarriorz idk if giants count but they can't be and then I think some of the weapons matter too for if you can ?
I would argue that at a certain point educating the player is a bit intrusive especially for games as mechanically complicated as this. I'm not sure where the sweet spot is but I think it's better to error on the side of minimalism on these types of games. Reminds of minecraft in some ways.
Very eloquent way of putting it.
I would also like to add (in a not eloquent way) that when people say they don't like to have the game hold their hand, what they really are saying, regardless of whether they want to figure it out on their own or not, is that they don't want to feel like the game (or, rather, the devs) have such little faith in the player's ability to play the game that they need to regularly interrupt their gameplay to tell them details. The response to a game doing that is similar to the response of people backseating them, which has some irony because there's some overlap with people that look things up and people that backseat.
Nevertheless, some people, whether through their own trial and error or through looking up what others have done or found, at most just want the game itself to tell them about the more universal systems and mechanics and not the blatantly obvious or nitty-gritty.
There's also the other definition of handholding that has less to do with whether the game explains its systems and mechanics and more that the game's design is regularly handing out situations where it feels like player input doesn't really matter for success, but that's another story.
I do think the game could do a better job at teaching mechanics to the players, theres a lot of things that will be made easier if you already know how to interact with, even crafting can be made very useful if only you know what to use, and though i personally do like how the lore is told in these games i understand that it can be frustrating.
It felt like fromsoft had a good idea with the notes sold by the merchants giving tips but it was very underused.
Its a souls game that's the point, its not gonna always hold hands.
@@Dr.HooWho I get that but there's a difference between holding hands and just showing that "hey you this x ability, you can use it for your advantage should you put it to good use", all I'm saying is that the game could have done a better job at at least introducing the mechanic
@@sifthewolf2317 they do that most of the time, the tutorial pretty much tells you all you need to know, it even teaches you thinks like shield counters. Anything else you figure out on your own becuase thats the fun, please if you dont like it just shut the fuck up and play something else, i literally dont play any other games because theyre made for people like you, let us have one fucking series that treats us like intelligent fucking people and actually tries to create a unique piece of art and not just another soulless software product.
Thanks for being understanding. I do love the game but I've never had any game feel so backwards when learning is all. 😅 I'm getting a lot of push back for being so spicey but I've never had a game kick my butt so many different ways over and over along with backseating and some of them insulting me even when I'm excited I discover something 😢lol
@@Rosiebellmoo unfortunately I don't see that stopping anytime soon, hell, even veteran souls creators I watch can't escape constant backseating, which is really unfortunate and I hope you can still find the games fun
The jumping to dodge stuff is more hyper optimized tech more than anything. If you play fighting games than this sort of thing is natural as it involves frame data and knowledge of enemy move sets. Your not really expected to jump most attacks with the exception of super obvious ground aoes.
not expected certainly, but seeing as its easier and more effective in a lot of cases apparently, it would be kinda silly not to make use of it once you know about it^^
Man this was eye opening.
Alao, interesting cameo at the start from RosieButtersMoo.
Rollin, Rollin, Rollin
@@ScionVII Souls purists be like: 🎵 KEEP ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' 🎵
As a sneaky mage build I did not hear my footsteps in 150 hours and if I approch a bigger enemy I cast invisible did not know that this was a secret strat.
did you have fun? cuz if you're having fun, you're doing it right.
youtube videos = community
youtube videos are made my CC who experiment what you can do with game mechanics and figure out things like hidden techs like jumping, animation cancelling, perfect combos, etc. then they spread that information around.
It is a bit different than what people consider hand holding where the game just tells you everything leaving nothing for the community to find on their own.
Souls fans tend to like it when the community engage with each other. The foundation of the games revolves around that whether it be messages, bloodstains, summoning, invasions, gameplay and lore discussion, etc.
I feel like bloodstains are actually a super valuable way to add community tips from experience that isn't hand holding like looking up a video to have someone tell you how to do it ! Same with summoning. I hadnt thought of that and now i wish other games did it. ^^
I think you've got a different perspective on this whole hand holding thing. We don't actively disparage help. We just don't want the game to give us the answers before we have a chance to figure it out ourselves. A lot of games will hand hold like putting arrows on the floor golden brick road style or telling us the exact strat to beat a boss. Souls games don't do that so we can try it on our own. There are always videos and wikis online to fall back on so why not try without help first? That's the way my friends and I look at it.
Souls are the antithesis of yellow paint.
What im saying I guess is that elden ring criticism feels like it's never allowed. And I feel like any time you say some systems are convoluted or not discoverable naturally (I haven't played previous from soft games ) people tend to try to not allow that criticism and accuse people of wanting hand held /yellow paint. I definitely don't want that but some things were not naturally discoverable imo ..and it upon finding some of them out found them counter intuitive . So I just wish we could say the game is great for not hand holding but also say it could improve with some things that are very convoluted or may never be discovered
@@Rosiebellmoo Oh yeah, that's kinda how people are with Fromsoft games. Despite being pretty much mainstream at this point, some people hold on to "prestige" of the games and beating them. They feel as if it's a great accomplishment and any criticism diminishes it.
I'm in the middle of my first DS1 playthrough and I gotta be honest first few bosses are bad. Gargoyles alone are fine but when a second one jumps down you have to run around a roof, waiting for any chance when they don't cover the ground with fire. Capra Demon is large, has long reach, two dogs to help him and it's all in a tiny room.
These games definitely aren't perfect nor are they immune to criticism.
@@Rosiebellmoo Oh for sure, we're all allowed to have our own opinion on it 100%, everyone is. I was just giving mine. Not saying you're wrong, mine is just a different perspective.
@@metaempiricistI appreciate you being kind . It's kinda been hard to have a dialogue so far without people being insulting 😅
force palm on danes flame art foodwork w/ alenaders shard and godfry icon. (dryleaf arts works the same and earlier to obtain in the dlc than the footwork)
if something resists you swap to staff of the guilty to use impenetrable thorns (graven mass + graven school + radagon icon help with that one)
both scale off faith and dragoncrest greatshield talisman / lord of blood exultation are great for both too and can offhand shield for bad nuke effects
cracked fire tear(footwork) / cracked magic tear (staff) + opaline hardtear
buffs: blessing of the erdtree, golden vow, flame grant me strength, flask, refill mana, walk in and summon mimic, health pot and go get em
force palmers don't even have to dodge most things they just trade and flask heal and block boss nukes like renalla's twin moon
vigor 69
mind 30-35
endurance 69 (full fire prelude armor, double pals, staff and golden shield is still medium roll)
strength 34-99
dexterity 19-20 (if you need to farm runes its better to only need to swap 1 talisman and still helps the palm, so does the strength even if it scales on faith higher)
iltelegence x
faith 80-99
arcane x
a lvl 200 version would be like 50 30 50 34 19 9 80 8
cruisen on ng6 and dlc 3rd time around collecting missing things still~
As long as it's not some crucial aspect of the game that you cannot proceed without knowing, I don't mind not being told things. I like the surprise of finding out something cool that I never noticed.
I just dont like when it's something not intuitive that can make me feel like I missed out mainly! I want to enjoy all the game has to offer..and am sad if I miss something like..not talking to an npc 5 times on the other side of the map etc. I think it comes from me not having played from soft games and the easiest being elden ring . But as an intro ..the linear simple things (like always clicking npcs multiple times for dialogue ) may be missed if you aren't familiar
*i apologize in advance for this long winded comment. i just really like talking about games. and some of your comments has got me thinking*
theres something to games that dont "hand hold". i understand theres a certain audience probably a majority that have been accustomed to the standards that have been set with tutorials and teaching mechanics to players in modern times. but some designers deliberately like to add mechanics that they specifically wont straight up explain to players because they want players to experiment and discover them on their own. this is kind of an old school thing but capcom has plenty of this in something like the devil may cry or even the monster hunter series with certain tech you can do. with Souls games its not only in its gameplay where they give u the bare minimum explanation. but i understand where they are coming from because i feel the same satisfaction of discovery in systems/mechanics. in sousl games, this persists through all aspects of the game like level design, combat, and even the lore. to you it might be condescending but miyazaki has done this because he values gameplay agency. i started gaming alot in mid to late 90's and it was more prevalent then because most of the explaining was in game manual booklets that most did not read, so when we played we were just completely lost and had to figure out things naturally or just get stuck. not to mention games back then were less homogenized and focus tested. in many ways fromsoft games still carry those oldschool philosophies. it can be frustrating but its not a matter of pretentiousness or condescension. Miyazaki probably wanted to emulate joyful experiences he had in gaming and not so much a point of trying to be hard or convoluted just for the sake of the label. For example Miyazaki is a fan of Shadow of the Colossus. that game is very minimal in what it tells you. it gives u a sword and tells u go find the colossi. it doesnt give u a way point or a line that leads you directly to the next boss. it barely explains the story either. it simply allows you to explore and find these things on your own. you can see that design sentiment all through his games. it might not be to the taste of everyone but mind you the souls games were niche. Demons souls was critically panned initially and then became a cult hit. so ironically while it still retains its core design principles that cater to niche crowds it has simultaneously become a global hit with Elden Ring just from gradually gaining a dedicated cult fan base in the last decade or so.
TLDR: there's plenty of us and most likely mizayaki himself who genuinely enjoy this style of design; not to carry some badge where its the most "hardcore" or needlessly convoluted but simply because discovering and learning systems/mechanics/story without having it explained to a T is rewarding in its own right. the more mysterious as a whole in gameplay and story, the more alluring it is to engage with the world.
*another thing i want to add with the lore is that while it might not be for everyone and i do agree it doesnt have the same immediate emotional pay off as other more traditional structured "narratives" as other games like The Last of Us for example, again this is just one of those weird miyazaki quirks. he really loves fragmented pieces of "story" that people can just put together on their own like a puzzle and plenty of things are left ambiguous. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. its just different and a matter of preference. to reference an interview with him, "Often he’d reach passages of text he couldn’t understand, and so would allow his imagination to fill in the blanks, using the accompanying illustrations. In this way, he felt he was co-writing the fiction alongside its original author. The thrill of this process never left him". this explains alot of why his lore seems needlessly convoluted and probably why alot of things are convoluted in his games. he wanted to recreate the joyful experiences of his childhood when reading books that were in a different language to his own. not to mention the co-writing also speaks to his desire for a collaborative experience as can be witnessed by the online messaging system in his games. btw the quote i put above is from an interview with miyazaki with the guardian. personally, its why i really resonated with Demons Souls in 2009. Demons Souls had come out at a time when games weren't really like that anymore. it was linear, on rails, action shooters, with tutorials guiding you through a good portion of the beginning with some exceptions. hell even survival horror games like Dead Space discarded many things about them in favor of more accessible features like a way point system that directly shows you the path you have to go instead of figuring it out for yourself. then theres miyazaki who brought it back a bit with this highly experimental game that would go on to birth a genre. it felt cryptic and mysterious and really emulated that feeling i had with videogames as a child in the late 90's/early 2000's. Ive since felt it ever so slightly deviate from that feeling though with every iteration of a souls games. but i still very much appreciate the things that you consider negatives in his games. i will say after all of this that i dont believe his games are perfect. i have my own critique about some things in ER but nevertheless this is what ive learned from why things are the way they are designed in fromsoft games.
The menu tips talk about guard countering. I found it recently midway through my third playthrough. It's fun to just find neat stuff. I just use weapons I think are cool. Also, helping other people out makes me happy. I like the sense of community.
I want to do one playthrough. Only one, where everything I do and learn is under my own effort.
Love your content tho
Cow Waifu.
The only thing I dislike seeing people do is receive items and runes from their friends. I am a strong advocate for “everything you can do on your own (Magic, Spirit Summons, etcetera) should be beloved.” But receiving items from friends feels like cheating to me.
4 Horseman of the Apocalypse:
Jump King
Block Wall (Me)
Parry Larry
Roll Lord (...also me)
hahah true xD
In my opinion most of the people who look for guidance through forums and youtube videos are trying to solve a particular issue or want to know some information like about builds or story and significance of items and other stuff, so most of the time the help they need is very particular and based on curiosity. Souls like games are suppose to be like the way they are, being lost and clueless and finding out different paths and clues of the story is what we are supposed to do. The way that it works now is the best way because people who want handholding can go on youtube and forums and get the help they need, and people who don't want handholding can just play the game. By adding handholding in the game the part of the community who enjoys the game in the way it is gets devoid of the experience.
Imagine having pop-up in-game that shows you how to exactly dodge every attack. I would feel so disrespected and annoyed i would stop playing it
same. I dont think anyone is asking for that.
I feel you, but sekiro showed how to do this the right way with their pop up whenever it’s time to jump or mikiri
The jumpking strat isnt new. Yall are just late to the party. Ever wonder why they give you a talisman that increases jump attacks at the beginning of the game? Now you know🤣🤣
Tbf I am new to the game heh. A lot of games I'm visiting later than most but I found it very interesting ^^ also idk where that jump talisman is and I dont think I have it 🤔
@Rosiebellmoo it's in stormveil. Right before you fight godrick the grafted. Big guy with lots of arms
I don't play ER, but if I did, I am glad that I was presented with this video.
yeah don't sweat it, i'm a bit of a veteran with souls games and elden ring is a whole different kind of beast, i mean i still haven't adjusted to jumping over attacks as dodge rolling is so ingrained into my psyche at this point, and really it took me this long to figure out that armor actually matters in terms of damage, i was under the assumption of fashion souls all this time.
but many of these small tricks like with sleeping pots and magic darts there are tips in the game and the merchants sell them to you.
but there's so many things elden ring actually doesn't explain and you have to kinda look under the hood and experiment, for example counter attacks and pierce damage, it's the only type of damage that deals extra damage under a specific condition of the enemy and that is during an enemys active attack frames, and this is typically why spears and thrusting swords have slightly less damage output all on their own because it's actually locked behind this mechanic that rewards counter attacking.
the other thing it really doesn't explain is how ashes of war and stats work, that fire ashes of war scale with strength and lightning scales with dex.
People don't want to not learn how to play the game. What they want is to not be forced to learn how to play the game from the game whether or not they want to. Engagement with the lore, engagement with all the many fiddly mechanics, they're all completely optional and something that's entirely voluntary.
exactly why the fuck would you tell in words something that can be played, no one needed to tell me to jump, i just jumped and noticed i avoided attacks. This is game design 101, do dont tell, show dont tell.
I love how some of the options are so useless normally. Like poison on normal enemies, takes way too long to finally proc it, and then you could have just killed the thing anyways in that time with far less effort. But vs certain bosses, you can just cheese them with it.
I play games for my enjoyment not for proving that i am the best😊
this is more common in these action games than people think. a lot of people hated wo long so many people complained the first boss was too hard. but you can jump over most of his phase 2 attacks. hell a bunch of skills in that game launch you in the air and are a great counter to a lot of attacks. but the game never tells you that and most of the players never experimented or tried it, since it didn't give you a clear indicator like sekiro.
Rosie has received so much unwanted outside guidance that she doesn't understand that being part of the community and discussing discoveries of both mechanics and lore is the reason we have arrived at this game. Enjoy the game, nobody discovers everything in a FromSoft game alone.
Sorry if it sounds harsh but it is the reality and nothing will change it.
I do think it's cool the game has these things I really do. But some things in the game I genuinely just feel like they could've designed more approachably . I think this is valid criticism.
Elden ring for example added a lot of features other dark soul games didn't have previously and it's great ^^ we should only want more of that .
@@Rosiebellmoo elden ring is a different game to dark souls. Adding fast travel to dark souls 1 for example would entirely break the game given the world, lore, bosses, order you proceed to get key items as well as fast travel being unlocked in a specific way after beating a certain boss. you cant say oh elden ring has a horse and dark souls doesnt therefore lets add features that completely ruin the magic of what fromsoft creates. Elden ring didnt 'add' features to 'improve' the game they made a different fucking game. Just like sekiro has features dark souls and elden ring doesnt have. Go play literally any other game, every single other game out there is made for you.
@@WookieWarriorz lmao no i like the game i just criticize it like anything else I enjoy, and having something like a pause button in menu during single player wouldnt ruin the magic, if you have issues then dont watch me dude lol
If they didn't want you to use it you wouldn't have the option to jump at all. At that point you'd be playing an Onimusha-like and not Elden Ring.
I've been using Guard Counters a whole lot, parries not so much. Dark Souls 1, I can parry the whole world through the game. Elden Ring, ya everything in the game has like 50 attack combos, i'm not risking it if in fact their attack animation ever ends. Guard Counters are much safer and easier, and can bring down some tougher enemies to get a critical with one or two hits of it.
It’s kinda funny for those that don’t want hand holding in some cases say like asmon “I didn’t know that”like no sh*** swallow your pride of the whole “no handholding”thing and maybe you’ll learn something new 😂 like I never knew most of these the only one I got hinted at and used was the jumping over attacks
Handholding Tsunderes. I am Happy to be one of them lol. EDIT: What I mean when I say "Handholding Tsundere" is I say I don't want help, But I look up the Guide Anyways
haha fair enough !
Look at this way. Do you really need the game to have some way of explaining some of these convoluted mechanics? Does not knowing some of these mechanics really take away from the experience? Same goes with npcs. Does not meeting them or not completing questlines really take away from the experience? I've always thought that these games are meant to be fully enjoyed through multiple playthroughs so that you can take your time and discover these things naturally.
My friend who streams had a pretty poor experience of allowing her viewers to join her often but it ruined the experience for her because they constantly handholded, backseated, killed everything for her and showed exactly where to go all of the time. She ended up quitting the game for a year and recently started playing again mostly on her own and is now having a blast so I really understand your point about backseaters. I wanted to apologize and say that we aren't all like that 😅.
exactly if you knew where the bosses were, what attacks were strong on them, the best armour etc all these supposed QOL features people cry for you would just completely strip the magic of the game and people that say otherwise just dont get souls games and should play something else.
If a game feels counter intuitive than it probably has a flaw . There is many good things about this game. I do not wish it told you how everything works. I hate hyper optimization of games. I played all of lies of p on mouse and keyboard ..all of a crabs lost treasure without any sort of guides. I do however. Feel like some things in the game do a very good job at encouraging the player or at least feeling ..natural? If your paying attention. And some others feel..very random . It can feel very overwhelming to have so many systems and ones that people sort of are expected to know from previous titles when your playing elden as your first dark souls game.
This game. Compared to any souls like..as a from soft is recommended to new players..and its literally huge. It dwarfs all the others. I've never played a game so huge with so many things in it.
I feel like my opinion isn't a law. I'm learning and expressing how I feel as I go. Currently I'm being very transparent that I feel like im drowning and fighting not too sink..while people tell me :
-im dumb for not knowing how to swim
-im doing the swimming wrong or sub optimally when I figure it out
-my mom threw me in with ankle weights and it made me feel smart when I didn't drown so I expect you to love it and any criticism means you wish people instead gave you floaties😂
@@Rosiebellmoo First of all, I appreciate that you took the time to reply with a well reasoned response, especially after 3 days.
Please don't feel obligated to try to complete everything in one playthrough. Don't let the backseaters ruin your fun. Just take things at your own pace and don't be afraid to feel stupid. We all felt like that with our first time playing a Souls game.
Whenever you hit a wall in these games, take a break and come back. Change up your approach and even your build if you need to.
Much love from Guam Rosie!
@@Vagabond671 i got my first matching armor set in the game last stream! i look like, an undead skeleton its pretty cool! I also met a beast man who likes eating death root like snickers bars, and now i can put magic on my big sword ive been lugging around lol. thanks for your kindness ^^
@@Rosiebellmoo That's awesome to hear!
I think the hand-holding discussion could use some additional nuance. "Yellow paint" style hand-holding, or mission markers, etc, is telling people how to apply the mechanics they already know to the world. I hate those, because they make actually playing the game meaningless. But the type that gives you a clear understanding of the mechanics is a different type of guidance. It's just like having a tutorial in a game, or a manual. You learn about most of the mechanics, and then you go into the game's world and explore all the ways you can apply those mechanics to the things the game throws at you. Those are my favorite games. Like Deus Ex has an extensive tutorial, and people don't say it holds your hand, because 99% of the game is still exploration and discovery. Or old RPGs where you could study the manual for all the stats, skills, spells and mechanics before even launching the game - I think it would be insane to call that hand-holding, and yet diehard fromsoft fans find a way.
So there is an important distinction. What level of exploration do you want from a game. Do you want to explore the game's rules too, or just the game's world. And the most extreme examples of hand-holding that people give are the ones that ruin the exploration of the game's content, meanwhile people like me just want guidance that bypasses the blind trial and error of guessing the systems, because that has never been fun for me.
Also, when I'm playing a game, I only look up stuff online when I've pretty much given up. I guess in that sense it's even one step beyond your position: I never want to have to see build guides or anything like that. To me that's like the batman no kill rule. As soon as I have to look up a guide, there's no point in playing by myself anymore. I will just watch a playthrough if I'm curious about anything and forget about the game afterwards. If fromsoft's "community interaction" design paradigm only extended to the ingame messages (which are an excellent system), it would be my cup of tea, but if it really expects you to use other people's information online, then they have lost me (to be fair, I have done an OK job bypassing their intent while playing dark souls 1-3). Information that I can't reasonably discover ingame is information I consider lost and not intended for me, and if that information is crucial then the game is designed in a way that's the opposite of how I wanna engage with it.
i feel like thats fair, and yeah its difficult to find balance ! I am no game dev, i just feel like some of the game is not intuitive in some of its systems, but its kinda exhausting to speak about much (well not in most places but here apparently people view criticism as being for the game, or against it, and if you criticize it, well you must want yellow paint lol) . I am not sure where the sweet spot is, but i am at least glad to see people not asweird about superiority for using vs not using summons now lol.
Rosie rosie rosie. Sweaty souls nerd reporting in here. No handholding or guides for me, the whole joy of souls games is to figure shit out on your own for me. The fun of those games is to go out there, get your ass handed to you then figure out things and proceed, same with the story, you piece it all together from vague clues and npc interactions, you feel like some sort of archeologist whilst trying to uncover all the things. And after you've come up with some form of understanding you go out to the internet and compare notes with other similarly sweaty showerless and maidenless nerds and geek out over crap and debate until the cows come home and insult everyone because your interpretation of the lore is truer than theirs and such is the life of a sweaty souls gamer, good life through and through. 🐮 Moo I hope they make more of these types of games where a lot of things are counterintuitive and you have to really figure things out by trial and error, it gives it so much replay value and over all worth. Everything these days tends to nudge you the "right way" too much so you can't play detective in fantasy rpg which i love more than anything. Reminds me a lot of some of the snes RPGs where you just have no idea where to go and you just look around for hours.
Also, never let anyone dictate how you play an RPG, if it's in the game you can use it. My friend always shits on me because i use anything and everything and he goes biggest weapon possible and pretty much naked but fuck that. Even my DS1 playthrough my friend was constantly shitting on me for using pyromancy but what do i care. If i want to suffer needlessly i'll find a cactus and shove it up my ass, i'm here to sniff through a fantasy world and figure out what's going on in that world, not to suffer because of some self imposed handicap.
The JUMP KING strat:
I think the jumping is intentional not an exploit because the jump is the main feature in elden ring and most of the attacks that it is viable on make sense minus the giant walls of flame. Locking off got beaten into me in DS1 pvp so did dead angleing, I miss my Murakumo
The one annoying thing about elden ring is the story.
Like sometimes I just hit a point where I dont know where to go and the game doesnt give a shit.
Also hate the rot stuff.
Just give me something so I can explore without being bothered by that shit.
I get it in a fight that I cant completely resist it but dont fcking take my horse away...
Already becoming a fan I really enjoy her model design with the bombs and dynamite, and her personality is something I enjoy.
@moonrabbit2334 it's crazy you hate me so much over an opinion I have about elden ring. Just go elsewhere dude 😅
I knew some attacks could be jumped but I didn't imagine it could be for a lot of those attacks. Like Margit hammer is far larger than I could jump, so I never attempted.
Also, go non-lockon party. Only really use it for flying things or something small.
i dont play souls games, but trial and error is my favorite part of playing games, really anything in life. it seems like its a good way to get a community talking about strats if you want that, or play it blind which lots do. like for me, i love tekken and 80% of the time im in practice mode testing out scenarios, looking at the frames and finding frame traps vs looking up guides because i learn better by doing it
also even if jumping wasnt supposed to be op, thats emergent gameplay which is good....thats how combos were created in Street fighter 2, they werent meant to be in there but people discovered it
I prefer using Bloodhound Step personally.
Wow. Whoda thunk Butters would grow into a cute cow girl. 😁
Hi rosie great reaction to reaction for a reaction.
On the lore bit i think it that this could help you a bit to understand why the souls games stories are made this way and why it's appealing.
Miyazaki himself sayed that this style of writing came to him in his childhood when he used to read english books, due to being still younge and still having poor english he could only understand bits of the storys that he was reading. So he filled the gabes of the story himself using the pictures of the books plus his imaginations.
That's why souls games are made this way he wants the players to experience the same sence of lost learning the story bit by bit by searching themselves the connections between npc's locations and item like an archeolog.
For instance to ilustrate this you can think for example that let's say you found a flame sord in snowy mountains, there is a good chance that you might think to yourself "well that's odd to find a flame sord out here", then you might notice sculptures around when you found the sword.....maybe after hours of play your eye will catch something in this new zone and you will think to yourself "ohh wait thoes sculptures i think i saw them before" and you would realize that there is a connection between the two zones, why does the same unique architecture repeat here as well, you might be asking questions and before you know it you start to read the item descriptions of all the items of this zone to piece up the story.
This type of writing is appealing because :
A player who doesn't care about the lore won't even notice these things and just enjoys the game.
While thoese who kepp close attention to details can enjoy piecing and speculating around piceces of the story knowing full well that the full picture is impossible to obtain but just like real researchers they try their best to get as close as possible to the full story, they can then share it, debate about it with other members of the community.
You can think of the lore channels and guides as researchers and their viewers as sience enthusiasts that reads a thesis.
Does that model have the lean forward toggle?
Yes ^^
@Rosiebellmoo awww that's adorable. I'm such a youtube Andy I need to tune in more to the streams
If you need guides to find the best stuff its bad game design IMO. Reminds me of WoW developing the game, quests, raids etc expecting people to use online guides and addons. That is not good design, its lazy and expecting others to pick up the slack of leaving stuff out.
Is she call Fromsoft, Firmsoft? Cause that's awesome, and I will be calling them that from now on. (I know there are subtitles, but even then, I still hear Firmsoft.)
FIRMLY SOFT
@@Rosiebellmoo True!
The only reason that Lock On is good is when using projectiles. Lock off has been objectively better in every game.
Life doesn't give you hints, why would a Japanese dev?
Because it's a video game. And life does give you hints. We have education..we have electricity. We have the ability to make the games understandable. elde nring is a great game and it has great systems..but it could be less convoluted sometimes .
@@Rosiebellmoo were you taught how to do taxes in school?
@@themalcontent100 no and thats one of the big things many people say SHOULD BE taught in schools, not that its some how better that they dont hahah
6:40 well... we like to at least try to do it ourselves, and if not we can seek help, in opposite from having the solution from the beginning.
sure or you could have the third option where some systems are not as convoluted in some cases, it doesnt have to be one extreme or the other. We can love the element of figuring things out and collecting information and feeling good when we discover things, and also understand that not ALL systems in the game are the best at that and could have done it better .
@@Rosiebellmoo I don't known, obviously is not a perfect game, but I think that being convoluted is part of the it's appeal, is part of what makes the game a success, right next to the way the story is told and the difficulty.
Take care Rosie!
Is there a place where I could watch vods of your Elden Ring playthrough?
On twitch currently is the best place. I'm playing it off and on as well as other games throughout the week ^^
a lot of what I learned was from ginomachino's videos. He's a great player so you get to see cool ways to avoid stuff
Love the intro.
i think you're combining the fair-weather souls people and the die hard community a little bit. cuz between releases, when no one is there except the people who are obsessed with these games, the souls Reddits are the warmest, friendliest, most welcoming, encouraging place on the internet, no cap. everyone is so lovely and supportive. there's zero toxicity, cuz everyone is on the same journey of discovery, and we're all excited about each other's achievements and theories. and if someone is ever mean to a new player or is negging someone, they get piled on and shut down immediately. it's a beautiful thing to see. it's a philosophy of "if you're having fun, you're doing it correctly".
but maaaan, whenever a new one comes out, the subs get flooded by all these toxic, competitive people. pvp folks or people who are there to be able to say they beat the hard game. it happens with every new release like clockwork. it's wild. they're he ones who misuse the phrase "git gud" to sh*t on new people. cuz that phrase means, and has always meant, "don't give up" not "don't ask for help".
as far as guides, my feeling, and the general consensus on the souls reddits, is that every time you use a guide, you risk destroying the intended experience. they guides are like guns in that way. you only put your finger on the trigger when you're ready to accept consequences that can't be taken back. for me at least, the discovery and observation and accumulation of knowledge is the fun part.
My experience is here and on twitch and here has been worse atm lol . 😆 this is my third attempt to play the game as the overall backseating and unkindness for being new to the game was overwhelming compared to other games
@@Rosiebellmoo yeah... those people. I know who you're talking about. They appeared in the elden ring sub after the summer games show announcement. Before that it was just like any other fromsoft sub. My take on them is that they're the sorta people who have nothing else in their lives to be proud of, so they internalize their ability to play a videogame.
I always kinda figured they came over from the online pvp community, cuz they have that nasty, cod lobby energy. It's why I don't play games online tbh
Give it a few years and hopefully it'll calm down and go back to normal, but elden ring was so popular that it broke containment, so who really knows how long it'll take.
Storm blade is my favorite ash of war
Remember that time Asmon was complicit in Mizkif's cover up of the SA allegations against Rich Campbell? Or when he was directly involved with Minx's downfall and directly profitted from her alcoholism being exploited by his employees who were never punished? Or that whole Adrianah Lee situation. And all that is besided his more subjective fuckery like his severely anti artist stances regarding AI and content creation, his ethics around Heard vs Depp and comparing that to his own legal controversies, his blatant disregard for others interests or opinions, etc.
Needless to say im really looking forward to this reaction
Side note, im not hating on you Rosie, i just cannot support anything anyone does that involves anything OTK. It disgusts me. Bunch of degenerate corrupt self admitted lazy thieves with a laundry list of controversies and legal tie ups. A group that made their own streamer awards to circle jerk themselves about how little effort they put in for how much money they make because they werent getting enough attention at The Streamys, no less.
Seems half like an oversight to me. A lot of attacks are aimed towards the ground since the devs expects you to roll and they likely want players to work for those invincibility timings. On the other hand they also might expect people to jump over ground obstacles, moving the hit box up so that you don't need to be pixel perfect to do it, but jumping over full on ground attacks or shock waves likely wasn't their intention. Honestly i wouldn't know how they could adjust that without caging people into rings of hurt that you just can't roll through.
its definitely not lol
Well the fun of the game is that the story doesnt get in the way of your gameplay but if you want to understand things you have to explore and discover which is what you would want someone to do in a fantasy world, while never knowing the whole truth as your story in the souls series always starts at the final phase of this part of history.
But my only real gripe with the game is that story lines arent easy to follow and dont give you much context on where they might go next. But i also have no idea how they could do it better, maybe adding some directions or hinting at biomes in their dialog
Playing without lock on in a controller is hard af
Oh man I actually don't know since I use mouse n keyboard😅 lock on is like it's own challenge when it swaps targets frequently !
How you choose the video to react to? Its you who choose or its a recommendation you got, because im surprised if its you who choosed that you choosed to react to the asmongold react and not the original was there a reason or its just because its the first youve seen, ok if it a recommendation from a viewer its logic you dont try to get to the source and only react to the video they provided cause it is to it they wanted the react, but if its not the case im curious of the reason of this choice.
It's a combo of if im interested in something and if it's safe to react to. I am very careful after having 2 strikes on my channel since making it. I chose to react to asmongold because I liked hearing his takes and the og posters. So I reacted to both.
I believe that the message system is supposed to have players teach other players, instead of a traditional tutorial.
I wholeheartedly agree that it's bullshit and a proper tutorial would make everything much better. Still love the game to death, but damn I wish I didn't have to learn stuff from RUclips.
Well its the point of the game, bloodborne barely helps yet its the best game ever so. And its not a complicated game
Damn, didn't know soulsborn players weren't welcome, my bad
whaa?
0:54 The thing about finding guides online versus being handheld directly in the game is the optional aspect of it. It's like a tutor giving you a problem then watching you do it and being available to help you versus telling you how to do every step.
Wow elden ring just deprogramming rolling.
Also handholding meta level unlocked, Firmsoft handholding
Oh shit, when you get a new body?
dude has a couple good points and things i didnt know, but a lot of it was common knowledge from like 2 months after the game came out, so i cant help but not like his video
Am new to the game and from soft games. There is some people who didn't play all the souls games and elden is there first one so I think this is really valuable Information ! Definitely was for me.
yeah the video was very informative for new players, gotta admit that, i am glad the player base is coming back, except for smurf invaders
Small pet peeve. The way the subtitles kinda pop out is really annoying and distracting. At least write long sentences so the popping out doesn't happen like 50 times per second.
ok! that seems like something easy to fix for the future!
GaMe Of tHE YeaR
Normal er player 😂
Looking back, a lot of the early Elden Ring community stuff was pretty wild. Saying "you can't summon or use magic because they're too easy" is like trying to say "you can't level up or equip new weapons because it's too easy." They're all mechanics purposefully implemented in the game to allow players to tackle challenges however they want, and none of them are any less valid than the others.
I'm glad to see you giving Elden Ring another chance, despite the frustration from the past. I'll be cheering for you!
play however you want but using magic and shit is absolutely less difficult, souls games are all about the dance with the bosses and learning their moves and finally getting that good run, if you strip that away you absolutely are missing something from the experience. Im so fanatical about souls games because of this aspect because it lets me face a challenge because i have to learn the dance and struggle and get that good dopamine hit and thats a much more powerful experience than that of someone who is just meandering along summoning and using magic. And then if the scenario comes that the person who barely played the game in the same powerful way i did, wants changes made to the game that would hamper and dilute my experience. Thats why i say if you really dont like the way fromsoft does things just play something else, every single other game is made for you and pretty much only fromsoft makes art for people like me, even the attempts by other studios just dont understand the fromsoft magic.
YEP its very silly even miyazaki says he always uses all thats available to him, summons, magic etc. If people want to not do that , its fine, but it doesn't make them better than anyone else lol. The games about enjoying what makes it fun for you, not gatekeeping systems made in the game to be used (only by some people in the community) and not even by miyazaki themselves, to feel some sort of pride about it.
@@WookieWarriorz miyazaki uses magic and summons , lol. So maybe the magic, is in doing what you feel makes the game fun.
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Rosie cute!
You came off condescending in this video, especially while complaining about what many veterans consider to be a part of the appeal of Fromsoft's soulsborne-type games.
I can shed some light on why some things are a part of the identity of these games if you want, but I've rambled enough so I won't unless you want the info.
Well "veterans " come off condescending and back seat me all day. I'm just sharing how I feel about it.
As a new player a lot feels convoluted and frustrating. And people call me unintelligent for voicing that. So I don't really care to humor there insults. They can have their own opinions
@@RosiebellmooI can understand getting angry, but as with any fandom, the toxic side is loud, and trying to generalize everyone as toxic will only push the nicer side away.
@@Rosiebellmoo Also, the toxic people are the sad part of streaming, if you play anything remotely hard they swarm you, it ain't a souls thing it's a streamer thing.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 yep and im cool with it, but im not bending that i need to change for em
My major problems with your "hot takes" -wich they aren't, believe me XD- is that you attribute too much to from soft, when the majority of those problems are the fault of players, because they lacked the creativity and went with whatever they saw did more damage. I have the tendency to play games going my way, so everytime I come to something is all in my own merits, someone may have discovered it before, but I didn't look for their things, I did it in my own. It's the same with the Talisman and weapons, there are only like 3 things I can fault Fromsoft for explaining poorly -wich are some words of the shields and their proprieties- but the majority of what you said was mostly a fault of the own community never even looking or reading well a description and doing what the influencer of fame had at the moment. There is GinoMachino, look at the series of "only raising X stat" and how many times he says "I didn't know it was this good!" To a talisman or incantation
Plus I don't see fair saying that there are things you can miss as a bad things, is an open world full of opportunities Wich most notorious experience point is traveling on your own and discovering your own incredible way to play
i think, its a lil of both? as well as me being new..to fromsoft games in general! (I actually played through lies of p first/ a crabs lost treasure) ! but yeah, fromsoft has different systems/mechanics/way of story telling that is a way different flavor imo! some of it feels much less intuitive, in some ways its really good and in others its bad , but even in a few days since this video, its really growing on me (and the community is too, but the bad eggs holy goodness, ive been having to really not let them have the floor lol)
@@Rosiebellmoo I am glad you can continue to enjoy the title and hope you can enjoy more of the titles this sagas and games have created through the years. I will not deny there are many things that are hit or miss with the game -specially Dark Souls 3, there was an entire zone that was undiscovered for like...2 months if memory serves me right? And it was part of an important mission too- but I hope the hits can outshine the misses
-yeah, the backsitters and the elitist always say whatever random things they desire to say, I don't appreciate that side but I hope you can come across most of the best examples we have, like Vaati or Rurikhan who play and don't let anyone define their pace-
They are stuck in blood born 😆
@@AffinityShadow00 I want it to come to pc ..then I could try it ^^