That Ch. Shivaji bust near Nupur gives me so much strength as it would to her. Just like in Shivajis time, we would get strength to see through the near destruction of Sanatana by holding together.
Absolutely superb conversation. As a South African I feel a great urgency to preserve my Hindu Dharma and therefore ensure I conduct my day the Hindu way. Pooja, bindi, food. While watching this I am wearing a saree. Regd jati, marriage took place accordingly a few generations back but not any more.
@@Anon12375 South African Hindu society has evolved differently. There is also intermarriages with other population groups like whites, coloureds, and blacks. Nonetheless, the culture and traditions are still alive and thriving.
This is a much needed podcast on the topic that’s discussed by everyone except that there’s no content addressing the history, how the X’ian missionaries have depicted it and why we Hindus shouldn’t use their prism while looking at our traditions, the way forward.
Wonderful start! I really look forward to this kind of deep, informative, long form podcasts that really get to the nub of the matter. I've subscribed. Congratulations Nupur! 👏👏
tragedy that this kind of discourse is rare and doesn't get the distribution / eyeballs I think it can be worth it to have monthly panel for each of the subtopic and - with similar aspiration for civility and common ground towards truth - get cohesive statements/arguments out and documented on this medium
Nice conversation! 👍 Some thoughts from my side: If we look at why there is a disconnect between how our ancestors lived Dharma and we do, I think it's the impact of presentism. Like how we involuntarily look at ourselves from the Western lens, we look at our past from the present day's perspective. Hence the dichotomy. In other words, the society in which our ancestors lived was a duty based one and not a rights based one as it is now. So the very foundation is dissimilar. We can't have our rights supersede our duties and yet want a society similar to that of our ancestors. That's just not possible. Therefore the question arises, what do we do now? Well, simply stop trying to mimic our ancestors or change the foundation of the society by making duties supersede the rights. Easier said than done. So, what now. Nothing. Just accept that you have sailed so far away from your ancestral ways of life that you simply can't relive them. As simple as that. So, does that mean that Dharma is dead and I have severed all the links with my ancestors? No. You still have your non-negotiable aspects of Dharma available to you, hold onto them at all costs and see what all good things that can be relived from the time of your ancestors. What are those non-negotiables? Vedas are supreme Punarjanma is the foundation Karma and its phala extend across the re-births There's no permanent hell or heaven Moksha is the ultimate goal of human birth Atma is a part of paramatma All Vedic, puranic and Kula forms of deities are valid manifestations of the Brahman (paramatma) Even if you haven't heard about a certain manifestation of the Brahman held in reverence by some other co-dharmic, it's your essential duty to respect and defend that manifestation as and when you become aware of it (irrespective of your personal faith) For all or any disputes, shastra is the ultimate pramana. The other question that arises is, if our ancestors lived in a duty based society then does it mean they didn't have any rights? No. They all had the same rights and beyond a point it didn't really matter to them because they all had a common goal called moksha and following one's own duty ensured that final objective hence the rights were not taken seriously beyond a point. What about discrimination? Well, it did creep in when our ancestors kept compromising with the non-negotiables and started quietly putting rights above the duties. Basically when we started to disregard the common objective ie. Moksha. What about castes and jatis? Well, they are there. Should we abolish them? No you can't, they are the least common denominators of the society and you can't eliminate them since the human nature would replace the void with something else. So what to do? First things first. Recognise that caste is not the root cause but discrimination is. So, how do we remove discrimination? Do the opposite of what you have been doing so far. Instead of trying annihilate castes, make purposeful and determined efforts as a society to celebrate each and every caste. Consciously look for the positive contribution of each caste to the society and celebrate it. Obviously, our entire history is not only about discrimination, there have been brilliant contributions from everyone of our ancestors belonging to different castes. Why not do justice to it? End of the rant 🙏
One thing that never gets discussed is the genetic diversity benefits of the varna and jaati system. I believe it has to do something with this system because all across the world people have been inbreeding whether it's the royalties in the Europe or the middle east but inbreeding was never a problem in India even 1000s of years ago otherwise the whole civilization would have collapsed with genetic mutations and diseases.
Kudos Opindia. Very balanced, clear views, practical perspectives. I'm glad such discussions are happening. Wish to see many more such to help bring us hindus on the same page and unite
An eye-opener. Nupur was bang on. Very polite yet not shying away from asking tough questions. While I like Ashish, he came across a bit prejudiced towards his on views. Not criticizing him, just a small feedback. Keep bringing more of this 👌 🙌
Tough questions?! It felt like shes agreeing with him even before asking the questions... the questions seemed just a formality for stating their agreement to the viewers rather than genuine inquisitive quest.
When you are thrown out of your Home (his home being Kashmir ) leaving behind everything and no money or food/next meal) , his pain is reflected in his views which you call as bias.
You have misunderstood, Krishna did not tell Arjun you are Kshatriya by birth - Arjun was Kshatriya by profession, Gautama Buddha was Kshatriya by birth but Bhrahmin by profession
No Arjun would have fought even then by his nature or गुण। Krishna meant that he would anyway fight and kill some one out of his nature even if his mind tells him otherwise.
Nupur ji aap podcast Hindi mein bhi karein, because educated people know the mentality of few politicians who spread hatred among Hindus & their anti hindu agendas, this podcast should reach masses in small towns & villages where people really doesn't know what's happening around the country, aap ka podcast garib se garib tak pahunchhe ki log samjhein kya sahi hai kya galat aur aap ka yeh contribution bahut maanya rakhta hai.
We need to speak more. We don't have religious scholars who speak english and teach in universities. We need more sanatan scholars of Philosoohy, humanities, political science.
Those who want to convert for egalitarian society , converts for selfish reasons . Same in ancient times , most converted for selfish needs. Let them , lesser the better.
But their children fault is that there ancestors were greedy and there children were rised and live under the propaganda so they are denying fact or truth and many of them now becoming potential trouble for bharat
Why has the explanation of Ashish ji's position on caste system been edited out at around 14 minutes? It was such an important point. But it has been cut out. Why?
We should accept our people wrongdoings in the name of our religion and rather than blaming Christian or Islam people our religion has been going strong since ages and it is not going anywhere as it has seen more of such things in past and it came victorious so we should rather than criticizing the critic we should bring the necessary change like spread proper knowledge.
Brahman is described as intelligent and morally good/sattvic, kind and forgiving. And shudra as dumb and morally wrong/bad/tamsik. And if you say Brahman and shudra is by birth than you had lost the argument already. Because we practice religion for peace of mind and emotion and for morality, love and compassion. Beauty of Hinduism is that it says we are not the body or mind, we are chaitanya atma/shivohum/tat vam asi/aham brahmasmi. Bhagwan resides in every living being equally, one who see every as part of brahm/Bhagwan is brahmin.
Your idea/view of Varna Vyavastha doesn't necessarily supported by the Shastras. Shastras alone decide who are brahmanas and who are Shudras. Don't impose your 21st century ideas on Shastras.
Just look at the Ancestors list of Sriramachandra. His ancestry ultimately traced to a Rajrishi, a great Kshatriya Vaivaswata Manu not to other Varnas. Though Ravana was a King he was still a Brahmana not Kshatriya. That itself is enough to understand the Varna Vyavastha.
Did you even listen to the discussion? The whole point this that the moral lense with which you are looking at caste is not necessarily the lens with which we looked at it in the past, and rather than doubling down on this corruption of thought we should acknowledge it and move on towards rediscovering truth and common ground.
@43:00 interesting point that SCs face such low crime. It is so low that one has to try and explain why that is the case. It seems something is wrong with the data. Because this also points to the fact that the society is not egalitarian. Are people scared of SCs? That does not seem to be the case for sure.
Every group is scared from other group because SC has manpower and skill and other group want to utilizes or abuse them because successor in large or small number of so called ruling class Or intellectual class Or business become corrupt not necessarily because of birth based system may be because degradation of sanskar due to shaking of society because of invasion and other factor off course because time effect means kaliyug it does not mean every successor of Brahmin vashaiya Kshatriya is corrupt
Of course. The one point i can agres with is that brahmins should not be targetted and neither were they the sole discriminatory group. All groups discrminated against those perceived below them
Liked the format of the discussions but his arguments and pramanas are super weak …i would love to see him participate in a intellectual debate , get challenged ..
Check out Skanda purana which says, one is born a shudra. Meaning all are born shudras. With samskara, one becomes 'dvij' or twice born (refers to upper castes). One becomes vipraha ie wise person upon knowing Vedas. By knowing Brahman one becomes a bramhin!
@@nishantshrivastav9368your argument is the same as people who want respect and benefit without ever working for it. Only tamasic bigots and opportunists who happen to be born as Brahmin families like such arguments ... And get their ego massaged with the idea of birth based supremacy. A true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alms/danas from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra). How many Brahmins do you see today that satisfy the above criteria? If they don't why do you think they should be put on pedestal just by birth? Dont forget, Swami Vivekananda, Rishi Aurobindo, Paramhansa Yogananda and many more Hindu rishis were not Brahmins by birth. But Kashmiri 'Pandit' Nehru was....
Please wake up and read what is HINDU DHARM... Our INDIA is divided and manipulated by Britishers ...Why they came to india ... without dividing us with spreading wrong narrative,they couldn't loot all the wealth.
Varna is not by birth. This is basic. Hindu scriptures say this. Also, any jaativaad must go away as it creates a false sense of superiority for some jaatis over others
@@booksquotes948 A true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alms/danas from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra). How many Brahmins do you see today that satisfy the above criteria? If they don't why do you think they should be put on pedestal just by birth? Remember, Swami Vivekananda, Rishi Aurobindo, Paramhansa Yogananda and many more Hindu rishis were not Brahmins by birth. But Nehru was....
One question for Ashish Dhar is: does he bekieve I can learn the Veda? Does he beleive a non brahmin can marry a brahmin? Can a brahmin be a business woman? And just like the taliban believes women being uncovered is a non-negotiable and take all methods to keep them covered, or that drawing their prophet is a No no, and punish anyone who dares to break that taboo, would WE as hindus do the same to those who consume beef ( which is a non negoatiable according to you)
Siva Durai ~ Dalits & Sudras are very important part of Dharmic living system. Without them we don't exist. They are us. We are them. Mother earth is Sudra. Bhagavan Mahayogi Shiva is Sudra. Those words never carried negative connotations until it was given a racial color by the christian church. It was the Surdras who built most of our magnificent Ambalams, Devalayas, Gudi, Mandir, Matthas & Kovils all over Bharat. Dharma NEVER discriminated against anyone. Views like yours are peddled by people who have been completely brainwashed, internalized with outright false, toxic narratives based on social theories written by the likes of James Mill & Babington Macauley, steadily fed to us through english education system for over 2 centuries.
Linking Hinduism with not eating something (like beef) is Abrahamization of Hinduism. Just because you believe that Hinduism prohibits eating beef you cannot impose this belief on others.
Nupur, you have not attackrd his viewpoint on the basix Can a non brahmin learn and teach the vedas? Would HE teach a non brahmin the Vedas? Are business people allowed to become intellectuals? Are non -brahmins allowed to learn carnatic music? Are artisan families allowed to be farmers? Etc etc Is an untouchable supposed to be touched? His system proporses CURBS against such movements by laying the lines in concrete.
Dismantling jati truly means to remove the birth based hierarchy in this varna vyavastha. Again, he brings in a red herring of missionaries. Does he deny that many many saints of thebith vaishnava and shaiva traditions spoke against caste ever before india saw the first missionary?red herrings Very vey shallow thinking.
what else can we expect from a "SHARMA" AND "DHAR" when it is about speaking about caste based discrimination...you r SUPPOSEDELY DISCUSSING about CASTE BASED DISCRIMINATION and it is no surprise that u didnt mention names like IIT STUDENT darshan solanki, DOCTOR Payal Tadvi, DOCTOR pamposh who commit sucide due to castesism that they faced during their academics and you smartly ruled out that " castesism didnt exist and still not happpening"
@@tejasvi18joshi tu keh raha hai ki "English imposition se students sucide kar rahe hai".. T@tti bhari hai dimag me kya??.. Ya phir gau mutra ka sevan kar rahe ho?? 😂😂
So in crimes against lowest castses, he is using % to obfuscate the atricties against them. Its not whether brahmins did it . The system makes it possible to attack the lowest. What explains the honour killings ? My god..this chap is talking rubbisb
Pretty stupid of him to think HE can 'argue' for a society where someone like me can't learn what someone like him can. He makes it hard to like him, though I want to.
So insightful so deep a conversation. Great job OpIndia. Keep us informed and inspired 👏🏼👏🏼
That Ch. Shivaji bust near Nupur gives me so much strength as it would to her. Just like in Shivajis time, we would get strength to see through the near destruction of Sanatana by holding together.
Cannot tell you how long I was waiting for this. Thank you. Keep up, you are great and you are doing the best for Sanatana Dharma. Jai Shri Ram
Such a wonderful discussion with excellent arguments by Ashish Dhar ji.
Wouldn't mind if it were a 6 hour podcast Nupur Ji :)
Absolutely superb conversation. As a South African I feel a great urgency to preserve my Hindu Dharma and therefore ensure I conduct my day the Hindu way. Pooja, bindi, food. While watching this I am wearing a saree. Regd jati, marriage took place accordingly a few generations back but not any more.
Ok but you need to preserve jati rules
@@Anon12375 South African Hindu society has evolved differently. There is also intermarriages with other population groups like whites, coloureds, and blacks. Nonetheless, the culture and traditions are still alive and thriving.
This is a much needed podcast on the topic that’s discussed by everyone except that there’s no content addressing the history, how the X’ian missionaries have depicted it and why we Hindus shouldn’t use their prism while looking at our traditions, the way forward.
Wonderful start! I really look forward to this kind of deep, informative, long form podcasts that really get to the nub of the matter. I've subscribed. Congratulations Nupur! 👏👏
tragedy that this kind of discourse is rare and doesn't get the distribution / eyeballs
I think it can be worth it to have monthly panel for each of the subtopic and - with similar aspiration for civility and common ground towards truth - get cohesive statements/arguments out and documented on this medium
Nice conversation! 👍
Some thoughts from my side:
If we look at why there is a disconnect between how our ancestors lived Dharma and we do, I think it's the impact of presentism. Like how we involuntarily look at ourselves from the Western lens, we look at our past from the present day's perspective. Hence the dichotomy. In other words, the society in which our ancestors lived was a duty based one and not a rights based one as it is now. So the very foundation is dissimilar. We can't have our rights supersede our duties and yet want a society similar to that of our ancestors. That's just not possible. Therefore the question arises, what do we do now? Well, simply stop trying to mimic our ancestors or change the foundation of the society by making duties supersede the rights. Easier said than done. So, what now. Nothing. Just accept that you have sailed so far away from your ancestral ways of life that you simply can't relive them. As simple as that. So, does that mean that Dharma is dead and I have severed all the links with my ancestors? No. You still have your non-negotiable aspects of Dharma available to you, hold onto them at all costs and see what all good things that can be relived from the time of your ancestors. What are those non-negotiables?
Vedas are supreme
Punarjanma is the foundation
Karma and its phala extend across the re-births
There's no permanent hell or heaven
Moksha is the ultimate goal of human birth
Atma is a part of paramatma
All Vedic, puranic and Kula forms of deities are valid manifestations of the Brahman (paramatma)
Even if you haven't heard about a certain manifestation of the Brahman held in reverence by some other co-dharmic, it's your essential duty to respect and defend that manifestation as and when you become aware of it (irrespective of your personal faith)
For all or any disputes, shastra is the ultimate pramana.
The other question that arises is, if our ancestors lived in a duty based society then does it mean they didn't have any rights? No. They all had the same rights and beyond a point it didn't really matter to them because they all had a common goal called moksha and following one's own duty ensured that final objective hence the rights were not taken seriously beyond a point. What about discrimination? Well, it did creep in when our ancestors kept compromising with the non-negotiables and started quietly putting rights above the duties. Basically when we started to disregard the common objective ie. Moksha. What about castes and jatis? Well, they are there. Should we abolish them? No you can't, they are the least common denominators of the society and you can't eliminate them since the human nature would replace the void with something else. So what to do? First things first. Recognise that caste is not the root cause but discrimination is. So, how do we remove discrimination? Do the opposite of what you have been doing so far. Instead of trying annihilate castes, make purposeful and determined efforts as a society to celebrate each and every caste. Consciously look for the positive contribution of each caste to the society and celebrate it. Obviously, our entire history is not only about discrimination, there have been brilliant contributions from everyone of our ancestors belonging to different castes. Why not do justice to it?
End of the rant 🙏
One thing that never gets discussed is the genetic diversity benefits of the varna and jaati system. I believe it has to do something with this system because all across the world people have been inbreeding whether it's the royalties in the Europe or the middle east but inbreeding was never a problem in India even 1000s of years ago otherwise the whole civilization would have collapsed with genetic mutations and diseases.
Most Right wingers are too anti caste to even consider your argument. But ofcourse you are correct
Kudos Opindia. Very balanced, clear views, practical perspectives. I'm glad such discussions are happening. Wish to see many more such to help bring us hindus on the same page and unite
An eye-opener. Nupur was bang on. Very polite yet not shying away from asking tough questions. While I like Ashish, he came across a bit prejudiced towards his on views. Not criticizing him, just a small feedback. Keep bringing more of this 👌 🙌
Tough questions?!
It felt like shes agreeing with him even before asking the questions... the questions seemed just a formality for stating their agreement to the viewers rather than genuine inquisitive quest.
When you are thrown out of your Home (his home being Kashmir ) leaving behind everything and no money or food/next meal) , his pain is reflected in his views which you call as bias.
You have misunderstood, Krishna did not tell Arjun you are Kshatriya by birth - Arjun was Kshatriya by profession, Gautama Buddha was Kshatriya by birth but Bhrahmin by profession
No Arjun would have fought even then by his nature or गुण। Krishna meant that he would anyway fight and kill some one out of his nature even if his mind tells him otherwise.
Thanks for starting this,
Lets do this in Hindi as well
Nupur ji aap podcast Hindi mein bhi karein, because educated people know the mentality of few politicians who spread hatred among Hindus & their anti hindu agendas, this podcast should reach masses in small towns & villages where people really doesn't know what's happening around the country, aap ka podcast garib se garib tak pahunchhe ki log samjhein kya sahi hai kya galat aur aap ka yeh contribution bahut maanya rakhta hai.
Nupur di❤
Thank you!
great conversation..
keep it up🎉🎉
Thank you for this podcast
Great interaction
Awesome
Feels so bad to see KPs being called as dead culture
We need to speak more. We don't have religious scholars who speak english and teach in universities. We need more sanatan scholars of Philosoohy, humanities, political science.
Interesting podcast.
Two opposite poles came together to talk..wonderful…one all the time falling for Nagpuri propaganda and other clarifying facts. Sadhu vad humara!!
Opposite?! Really?
Wow Great 👌👌👌
Those who want to convert for egalitarian society , converts for selfish reasons . Same in ancient times , most converted for selfish needs. Let them , lesser the better.
But their children fault is that there ancestors were greedy and there children were rised and live under the propaganda so they are denying fact or truth and many of them now becoming potential trouble for bharat
Vision of a dystopian world 😂🙌🏻
Why has the explanation of Ashish ji's position on caste system been edited out at around 14 minutes? It was such an important point. But it has been cut out. Why?
I did not notice any cuts per say :/
❤
Nice
We should accept our people wrongdoings in the name of our religion and rather than blaming Christian or Islam people our religion has been going strong since ages and it is not going anywhere as it has seen more of such things in past and it came victorious so we should rather than criticizing the critic we should bring the necessary change like spread proper knowledge.
Funny how you never give any proof for the so called wrongdoings. Just communist propaganda like kerela br3ast tax
🙏🙏🙏
Nupur ji kindly share your email. I would like to share my views which destroy the argument against caste and varna system.
Brahman is described as intelligent and morally good/sattvic, kind and forgiving. And shudra as dumb and morally wrong/bad/tamsik.
And if you say Brahman and shudra is by birth than you had lost the argument already. Because we practice religion for peace of mind and emotion and for morality, love and compassion.
Beauty of Hinduism is that it says we are not the body or mind, we are chaitanya atma/shivohum/tat vam asi/aham brahmasmi.
Bhagwan resides in every living being equally, one who see every as part of brahm/Bhagwan is brahmin.
Your idea/view of Varna Vyavastha doesn't necessarily supported by the Shastras. Shastras alone decide who are brahmanas and who are Shudras. Don't impose your 21st century ideas on Shastras.
Shastras alone can judge who won the argument who lost not your point of view.
Just look at the Ancestors list of Sriramachandra. His ancestry ultimately traced to a Rajrishi, a great Kshatriya Vaivaswata Manu not to other Varnas. Though Ravana was a King he was still a Brahmana not Kshatriya. That itself is enough to understand the Varna Vyavastha.
Did you even listen to the discussion? The whole point this that the moral lense with which you are looking at caste is not necessarily the lens with which we looked at it in the past, and rather than doubling down on this corruption of thought we should acknowledge it and move on towards rediscovering truth and common ground.
This feel good Hinduism is exactly why we are losing lol.
@43:00 interesting point that SCs face such low crime. It is so low that one has to try and explain why that is the case. It seems something is wrong with the data. Because this also points to the fact that the society is not egalitarian. Are people scared of SCs? That does not seem to be the case for sure.
Every group is scared from other group because SC has manpower and skill and other group want to utilizes or abuse them because successor in large or small number of so called ruling class Or intellectual class Or business become corrupt not necessarily because of birth based system may be because degradation of sanskar due to shaking of society because of invasion and other factor off course because time effect means kaliyug it does not mean every successor of Brahmin vashaiya Kshatriya is corrupt
What kind of stupid logic was that about nexsus between corporations and administration is not somehow no empowering people
That are taking every thing and they are moulding everything and not letting you know truth for there interest
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Brahmins otoh, 🙈🙉
Shudda😂😢
Of course. The one point i can agres with is that brahmins should not be targetted and neither were they the sole discriminatory group. All groups discrminated against those perceived below them
Liked the format of the discussions but his arguments and pramanas are super weak …i would love to see him participate in a intellectual debate , get challenged ..
Be specific, don't make general points.
How is it weak?
Check out Skanda purana which says, one is born a shudra. Meaning all are born shudras. With samskara, one becomes 'dvij' or twice born (refers to upper castes). One becomes vipraha ie wise person upon knowing Vedas. By knowing Brahman one becomes a bramhin!
When you little know you give this argument but you are mature then you do not give this
@@nishantshrivastav9368your argument is the same as people who want respect and benefit without ever working for it. Only tamasic bigots and opportunists who happen to be born as Brahmin families like such arguments ... And get their ego massaged with the idea of birth based supremacy.
A true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alms/danas from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra).
How many Brahmins do you see today that satisfy the above criteria? If they don't why do you think they should be put on pedestal just by birth?
Dont forget, Swami Vivekananda, Rishi Aurobindo, Paramhansa Yogananda and many more Hindu rishis were not Brahmins by birth. But Kashmiri 'Pandit' Nehru was....
अलगोरिथम
Ashish Dhar is a brahman by birth. If he were born in a shudra family, wonder whether his position would have been the same or not.
Everybody is born shudra.
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@@ohm4500 Ashish Dhar is not sayimg that
His position would still be the same. Grow up
Please wake up and read what is HINDU DHARM... Our INDIA is divided and manipulated by Britishers ...Why they came to india ... without dividing us with spreading wrong narrative,they couldn't loot all the wealth.
Mind is corrupted
Bring in Harsh Madusudan similarly
Nope. He won't agree on many things...
Ah yes so he can spill raita all over
Varna is not by birth. This is basic. Hindu scriptures say this. Also, any jaativaad must go away as it creates a false sense of superiority for some jaatis over others
Nope. We can't solve inferiority complex of anybody.
@@booksquotes948
A true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alms/danas from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra).
How many Brahmins do you see today that satisfy the above criteria? If they don't why do you think they should be put on pedestal just by birth?
Remember, Swami Vivekananda, Rishi Aurobindo, Paramhansa Yogananda and many more Hindu rishis were not Brahmins by birth. But Nehru was....
Why even call yourself a Hindu if you don't agree with shastras? Just become a full blown communist no?
I even detest the word HinduISM. It sounds so negative like ISLAMISM. I hope all sanathanis call it Hindu religion or as Sanatan Dharma (prefer this)
Is this Nupur Sharma, why the face was changed, anything happened?
This is not *THAT* Nupur Sharma you're thinking about. This is Nupur J Sharma, an excellent journalist I truly admire.
@@cosmicallyspeaking871country need more Nupur Sharma's
One question for Ashish Dhar is: does he bekieve I can learn the Veda? Does he beleive a non brahmin can marry a brahmin? Can a brahmin be a business woman?
And just like the taliban believes women being uncovered is a non-negotiable and take all methods to keep them covered, or that drawing their prophet is a No no, and punish anyone who dares to break that taboo, would WE as hindus do the same to those who consume beef ( which is a non negoatiable according to you)
If Jati-Varna is to be respected, Dalits be barred from temples and restrictions be put on Sudras is a civilisational imperative.
Siva Durai ~ Dalits & Sudras are very important part of Dharmic living system. Without them we don't exist. They are us. We are them. Mother earth is Sudra. Bhagavan Mahayogi Shiva is Sudra. Those words never carried negative connotations until it was given a racial color by the christian church. It was the Surdras who built most of our magnificent Ambalams, Devalayas, Gudi, Mandir, Matthas & Kovils all over Bharat. Dharma NEVER discriminated against anyone. Views like yours are peddled by people who have been completely brainwashed, internalized with outright false, toxic narratives based on social theories written by the likes of James Mill & Babington Macauley, steadily fed to us through english education system for over 2 centuries.
You probably went to an english medium school/college.
We can understand your problem.
Linking Hinduism with not eating something (like beef) is Abrahamization of Hinduism. Just because you believe that Hinduism prohibits eating beef you cannot impose this belief on others.
If someone is killing a cow in front of you, will you save that cow or not??
Ain't no way this raita straight up justified beef eating
Nupur, you have not attackrd his viewpoint on the basix
Can a non brahmin learn and teach the vedas? Would HE teach a non brahmin the Vedas?
Are business people allowed to become intellectuals?
Are non -brahmins allowed to learn carnatic music?
Are artisan families allowed to be farmers? Etc etc
Is an untouchable supposed to be touched?
His system proporses CURBS against such movements by laying the lines in concrete.
The usual suspects are seething over this episode.
Which ved shakha r u from
Dismantling jati truly means to remove the birth based hierarchy in this varna vyavastha.
Again, he brings in a red herring of missionaries. Does he deny that many many saints of thebith vaishnava and shaiva traditions spoke against caste ever before india saw the first missionary?red herrings
Very vey shallow thinking.
what else can we expect from a "SHARMA" AND "DHAR" when it is about speaking about caste based discrimination...you r SUPPOSEDELY DISCUSSING about CASTE BASED DISCRIMINATION and it is no surprise that u didnt mention names like IIT STUDENT darshan solanki, DOCTOR Payal Tadvi, DOCTOR pamposh who commit sucide due to castesism that they faced during their academics and you smartly ruled out that " castesism didnt exist and still not happpening"
Thousands of children commit suicide because of english imposition
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So in crimes against lowest castses, he is using % to obfuscate the atricties against them. Its not whether brahmins did it . The system makes it possible to attack the lowest.
What explains the honour killings ?
My god..this chap is talking rubbisb
Pretty stupid of him to think HE can 'argue' for a society where someone like me can't learn what someone like him can. He makes it hard to like him, though I want to.
This must be the first time that in 1 hour and 28 minutes of talk, she didn't spew venom against minorities!!! Tabiyat to theek hai Nupur Ji?
Perhaps she is not reading Aasmani Kitab
Filthy convert spotted.
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Two opposite poles came together to talk..wonderful…one all the time falling for Nagpuri propaganda and other clarifying facts. Sadhu vad humara!!