People are missing that the reason Luffy is especially sad about Vegapunk's death is because he broke his promise to him. What's another promise that Luffy always makes? That he's going to be King of the Pirates! Vegapunk's death would be a sign that Luffy can't keep his promises, so that might mean that he can't keep his promise to be Pirate King. At the end of the chapter, once he is told that Vegapunk is actually "alive", he realises that he CAN keep his promises and regains his confidence to exclaim that he's DEFINITELY gonna be King of the Pirates!! 👑
@@CreechieFX thats an excellent way at looking at it, that means that this really says more about luffy then it does about Zoro so ppl shounldnt be hung up on Zoro imo
I think it's simple for Zoro, his entire persona and moral code is about accepting death without a shred of hesitation. He has casually embraced death many times in his life. To him, his own death or even the deaths of his friends aren't necessarily a defeat so long as they don't compromise on their ideals.
@@professorhawk777 That's not true at all. Zoro didn't give up on becoming the greatest swordsman because Kuina died. She taught him never to back down even a centimeter because death can come seemingly at random. Kuina's death made Zoro more resolute, not less. Zoro was only expressing his unwillingness to allow himself to have have regrets in the face of death. Zoro lives on the blade's edge all day, every day. This is bushido 101 which Zoro is the emblem of in OP.
@@ehnay7393 The promise was to keep Old Man Vegapunk alive. And I would object to your reasoning as that is very much like saying someone didn't die because some young clones of them exist. If the original dies the original is dead.
@@ehnay7393 It is a slight on his strength he swore to save someone's life and failed hasn't really happened like that since ace. Luffy will never be Zoro. He will grow up and he has however his heart is bigger than Zoro certain things Zoro won't do Luffy will. Does this make him a bad character? Hell no, he is just different Zoro follows him because who he is but it's also his place to tell Luffy harsh things to keep him together as his first mate. No one on that crew believes in Luffy more than Zoro his dedication is next level that's why it's so easy for him to judge. Nami comes a close second, but Zoro will die on the spot to give Luffy a second chance any day any time even if that means and end to his journey as the strongest swordsman that's stupid to be honest as well, how are you going to be the world's greatest swordsman if you die before you beat every swordsman in battle? But their faith and characteristics are exactly why they are so amazing.
Burh KOL my guy you read it completely wrong!!!!!! Luffy wasn't grieving because of the death of Vegapunk, he understands death and is able to accept it, an example of this is Pedro. He was upset not because of Vegapunk's death but because he wasn't able to keep his "promise". Two completely different things. To Luffy not fulfilling his promises is what makes him upset And Oda was emphasizing the Parallels between Kizaru and Luffy to the resulting death of Vegapunk
he was upset for failing…. he’s ok with people dying ….. even if zoro is right in the statement hes not right to what he’s upset about thats why he was fine when the promise was confirmed to be kept
Lilith came to fix the situation to soften zoro's harsh statement and yet ppl still mad at zoro, i find that funny, shouldnt ppl be mad at lilith for not allowing luffy to grieve properly lol
@@mokaljordan he wasn’t grieving he literally complained about not being able to keep a promise even though hes a yonko ….. these are luffys words…. and only when he was told his promise was actually kept he felt better ….. all the other vegapunks are still dead minus york hes not crying cause the man is dead…. hes actually not crying hes disappointed he failed to keep a promise
@@musicallyinclined7000 yea by him complaining and not grieving that just makes zoro even more correct, luffy being upset was more bout his lack of power as a yonko to keep his promise more so than him being depressed that stella died
@@mokaljordan I get that Zorro is the type of character to never really show any amount of weakness and holds his peers play the same standard. However, this was the guy who was emotionally charged over what happened with Yasui in Wano.
Do people an Zoro expect luffy to change as a person just because he is an emperor?! I personally don't think luffy should become more serious or heartless just because he is now a emperor!
@@amaridawkins64 Bruh, Zoro is one of the most prideful characters in the show and has been since day 1. This prideful character SET ASIDE HIS PRIDE for his own dream of being the world's strongest swordsman and was ready to sacrifice his life just so Luffy and the others would live on Thrillerbark and you're trying to say he had 0 character growth.
The importance of promises/ a mans word is like half of zoros character. It still makss no sense for him to say that in this situation where luffy wasnt able to keep his promise.
What pissed him off wasn’t just the death of yasuie. It was the way it happened. Having his daughter being forced to laugh at his death is what pissed him off.
Hes not telling him to feel hes telling to stop looking pathetic, the other crew members accepted their losses and luffy is eating grapes frustrated that he couldnt keep a promise, luffys ego is bruised lol
@@vazzed yea hes like " i got the power to keep my promises now wtf" hope we see more serious gear 5 moments from luffy like how he held down both saturn and kizaru when vegapunk got pierced by saturn's leg
L take. I’m with Brago on this one. If you go just a little deeper and evaluate each yonko we’ve been introduced as characters you’ll find Luffys behavior is par for the course for all the yonkos. Everyone one of them have been whimsical and weird. Big mom was constantly committing “emperor” malpractice as she was always damn near as dangerous to her own operations as she was her enemies. Kaido was suicidal and bipolar af. Shanks is just as non serious with a fleet of fodder. So luffy will be okay as yonko even if he wears his heart on his sleeve lol
@@RomarioAllison thats true but it doesnt make zoro's statement any less factual or insensitive if anything it makes zoro ignorant or hypocritical as he kept a promise to kuina that he failed to keep when he lost to mihawk but unlike luffy zoro has another chance to keep his promise
@@mokaljordanentirely different situation my man. That was zoros affirmation to himself and his captain after realizing the level his goal (mihawk) was at. He wasn’t moping or being a cry baby. He was expressing his will to never have any regrets in the face of death and to never lose like that again. This is different, luffy has known vegapunk for like 2 days lol.
Sorry, but nah. Most of these takes on Zoro are hilarious to me because what I see here is the same Zoro we already saw on Punk Hazard and on Zou and plenty of times pre-ts. When Zoro gets "serious" with Luffy and "grumpy" it's always because HE feels he is lacking. He himself is upset with himself(!) but because he was never one to admit that so he is grumpily projecting his feelings on Luffy. He started the whole fight with Lucci because Stussy got hurt protecting Vegapunk when they got surprised by Lucci (something he suspected would happen but couldn't prevent). He then got told by Lucci he is dead weight when the crew is getting attacked by Kizaru and tries to flee, then that sentiment is echoed by Sanji, Jimbei and Nami eventually who all tell him to get going and then he watched Atlas blow herself up in a sacrifice so they could finally escape after waiting on him. This is what's going on here, not Luffy having to "project standing" and Zoro teaching him or some bs. This is the same guy from last arc that fucked up the Onigashima stealth plan because he thought of a little hungry girl when people spilled soup, the man that refused to retreat because he wanted revenge on Orochi after Yasui died, the guy that saw Kiku's arm falling from the roof to push him to defeat Apoo and get up there. The same guy that is carrying around a promise he made to a dead childhood friend and made that his life's goal. Zoro cares about both people and promises, and if Sanji was in that scene they both would be arguing and fighting to blow of some steam from the pressure, but because he's with "the other guys" he's instead downing drinks telling himself that caring about people and failing is dumb.
Nah, Zoro is wrong, Luffy is indefinitely supposed to be emotionally off about not being able to keep his promise to that old man, you know the greatest scientist of known history. Luffy, Shanks, Whitebeard, Roger & even fucking Kaido understand that following rules such as upholding a deal you swore to uphold is one of the most important part of crew. We saw Kaido literally physically dive untop of Jack to protect him when he got hurt to keep him from dying in Wano. Keep in mind Kaido is evil & even he knew that he promised Jack he'd protect him, so he did.
Emperor or not, Luffy is still Luffy, he can have emotions, can have the right to be upset that he couldn't keep his promise. And it's not like he was crying or humiliating himself in front of strangers or an enemy
I love how the people using the “luffy needs to reflect an emperor” argument are forgetting that he gets beaten up and talked to like a child by everyone in the crew and damn near everyone they meet
Luffy has trauma from not keeping his promise about rescuing ace. It’s an underlying theme all throughout Post Timeskip. That’s why luffy in fishman island says “he won’t let people he cares about die ever again” he’s traumatized
@@ghostsotelo5191 No, he chooses to react to the events however he wants. He is not pressured to command properly, only to be as free as possible, and to spread as much of that freedom to others.
No he's not , not even one bit First of all , luffy never cared about being an Emperor , for him his status now and his status before defeating kaido are the same , he's not the kind of guy who will suddenly start acting differently and taking things seriously that he wouldn't have taken seriously before becoming an emperor , he said it himself at the end of dressrosa, he doesn't want to become some big shot that's binded by expectations And the most important part, luffy does not need to be more like other yonkos like kaido and big mom , are we forgetting that those guys are the losers, literally the main reason luffy defeated them is because of who he is and because his character attract allies, while yonko that takes things seriously and act like "emperors" , end up getting wrecked Luffy doesn't need to start acting like and mimicking an image of losers he doesn't respect, hell he based his whole image from shanks while not knowing he's a yonko
Stop luffy is shown happy of his pirate status every time he gets bounty up. Also zoro is saying luffy is a pirate captain and a yonko he needs to be strong 4 his crew. He needs behave in a way that reflects his status not changing himself. Its like when he told luffy not to accept ussop back without him apologizing he challenged the captain and left and needed to atone zoro is always their to be the voice of reasoning for luffy
Whether he likes it or not, Luffy IS an emperor and he needs to act that way. Not for him, but for his crew and allies. It’s not about him, and he knows this. “I have to be strong so I won’t lose anyone” that is what he said during Enies Lobby. And he only has increased his responsibility since then. He has an obligation to not be weak in moments like this. Shanks said it was okay to cry when Luffy was at his weakest and needed to be stronger. It wasn’t an excuse to cry all the time. Luffy is a great pirate and he needs to act like it.
@@brucewayne497luffy gets beat up by everyone in his crew, so idk what your talking about with that reflect in a way an emperor would Also, even despite that they still respect his strength, him taking Ussop back was one thing but this is completely different, luffy already made a promise to himself that he wouldn’t let anyone die, so ofc this is hitting him Zoro is dead wrong
@@jonathanmcculley3728 dude literally gets beat up and talked to like a child by everyone in the crew, so idk why yall are saying this “ he needs to be strong for his crew” crap, if yall didn’t care about that why is this a big deal?
Zoros was a whole ass fraud and bum for what he said, it’s not just about vegapunk dying, it’s also about Bonney and sentomaru, luffy made a promise that he didn’t 100% keep.
More like failed at a 100%.. all the satellites were ok with dying as long as the stella survived..now that all of them died except one satellite you wanna call it a success??
Luffy is more sad that he couldn’t save vegapunk that was a whole promise he made with Sentamaru especially if Luffy knows how strong he is. Even though I see what Zoro is saying I think Zoro is looking at it as him being sad over an old man dying but I think its more Luffy not keeping his promise on getting punk away he stopped crying as soon as Lilith explained the situation I think Zoro is misunderstanding why Luffy is ultimately sad but I do understand his point and expectation being apart of an Yonko crew
Zoro does kinda have a point but not really. Luffy isn't really mourning vegapunk. He is mourning the fact that he gave his word to protect but he failed. You see this as he recovers immediately after being comforted by Lilith who said that he didn't really fail. If you are a yonko your word is and should be law. An inevitability like numerous characters have explained. The fact Luffy failed to keep his word puts his position in jeopardy not his grief.
Exactly. I get what Zoro's trying to get through but the reason I can't help but feel put off by his comment is because of who Luffy is as a person. Yeah he's a yonko and should have an attitude proving he is occasionally but the thing is, Luffy is someone who makes a promise and will see it through. To him all promises he makes hold the same amount of importance to him. So you'd think that Zoro, being around him for so long, would understand that key aspect of Luffy's character. That and the "Can't deal with the loss of one old man" felt unnecessarily mean-spirited even for Zoro.
Quit it with this "playing around" nonsense. Zoro could not even cut Lucci without needing a rage boost. The entire point of that fight was to show how beneath Luffy zoro was when he can't even handle Luffy's leftovers.
@@nyleriverson4017sanji never arrived 🤣 Matter of fact Sanji ran away from lucci Did yall forget when lucci hit stussy and stussys dog did nothing 😂. Just looked the other way as he seen a woman get hit Also luffy also failed at taking lucci down 😂 If anything Zoro put more damage on lucci then Luffy did After Zoro lucci was on his knees and on base After Luffy lucci was in base but standing and still fighting 😂 Clearly yall sanjis fans disrespecting so let 💩 on you real quick with sanjis fight record post time skip Vergo: stalled Doffy: stalled Bege: stalled and go kidnapped Oven: stalled Page 1: stalled Black Maria: stalled King: stalled As sanji fans yall got a lot of nerve talking about stalling 🤣
@@ghostsotelo5191sanji needed to reprimand zoro in order for him to win Also @@ghostsotelo5191 and couldn’t hold on, And in 1111 lucci was still standing after zoros attack, he even said it😂 What manga are you reading?
Y'all should see Jay's reaction to zoro's obvious insensitivity towards luffy's feelings in mourning Vaga punks death like any normal person would, it's not about being a Yonko or a Pirate what comes first is being the person that U are, like always ppl side with Zoros insensitivity cuz his the vice captain and because it's Zoro AKA Walmart PG DISNEY Guts, he didn't keep that same energy with Down.D.Stairs is death, not really tryna slander Zoro, but he needs to read a room
U bringing up a kid zoro crying over his child hood friend as a rebutal makes no sense. Zoro is here to tell/help luffy do hard dicesions or behave more like a responsible captain and not just a friend. Zoro saying luffy is a pirate and a yonko he has to be able to handle consequences of being a pirate feeling sad was not the issue the issue was luffy was depressed and down
@@Sephiroso. This is Luffy we're talkin about he only knew Vivi for like a week and we saw what he did for her and her country, and That's not even the point, Zoro's being insensitive, he clearly can't read a room
@@brucewayne497 ok how is Luffy acting irresponsibly right now!? For crying? So he can't mourn someone who dies? Above all else Luffy has to act like himself and be himself before being a Yonko Caption or Pirate
@@Shanked-em Bullshit, Vivi was with the Strawhats way way way longer than a week. You think they were sailing from island to island in less than a day? Get real.
I think folks are just looking WAAAAAY too deep into Zoro's behavior last chapter, the reason Zoro said that was because Luffy's mood ruined the party and Zoro was salty about it 😂😂 it's that simple 👌
When I read that, I was actually appalled by how seemingly out of character this line was for Zoro - since HE is the definition of someone who always keeps their promises and holds his captain to even higher standards. If anything, he should best understand how devastating it is for Luffy to break his word (even if it was arguably out of Luffy's control - but since he will be Pirate King, he should be able to deliver even impossible promises in his and Zoro's eyes). After all, how would Zoro think if he learned he cannot keep one of his own promises, for example the one to Kuina? Being true to your word is the core, the essence of who Zoro is and brushing off such promise like Zoro did feels like looking at an impostor.
Zoro is kinda right, but his opinion is a little out of character, if not outright hypocritical, coming from the "Mr my whole life is defined by one promise i made to a dead girl when we were 8" himself Edit: All that considering Luffy was bummed because he failed his promise, not because Vegapunk died
Zoro is 100% in character. Idk what yall are smoking. Zoro's always been like this and Luffy really needs to grow up at some point. Growing up doesn't mean changing your entire character or personality but god damn Luffy makes it hard to root for him sometimes.
I'm pretty sure that promise died on thriller bark someone made a video about it even the title of that episode is called "the end of the dream" or something like that, sacrificing himself to save Luffy and giving up on his dream/promise since he faces Kuma So
Zoro was an L’s man on this one for sure if my “best” friend said something like this instead of trying to support me that’s an L friend I got I’m sure Luffy would never say that if the roles were reversed
Yes but you and your friend aren’t trying to fight against 200 foot demons, zoro telling luffy to man up is him telling don’t let death deter you from your path, especially since jinbei mentioned before, if you know the treacherous journey we’re in
@@BlackIce6 yeah I phrased that horribly, jinbei mentioned how lucky they were to get out of that, luffy shouldn’t allow the death to get to him so bad, they did the impossible by just escaping, and they barley knew the guy. I’m not saying what zoro said is right it’s a bit harsh, but I can see from who zoro is why he’d say that
@@tunnelvision7906 it’s definitely within character for zoro to say that but at the same time when Luffy lost ace the whole crew including zoro wished they could be there to support their captain, their friend and now in the present whether the loss is as equal to a brother or not doesn’t matter he should WANT to be there for his pal imo
I get what Zoro's trying to get through but the reason I can't help but feel put off by his comment is because of who Luffy is as a person. Yeah he's a yonko and should have an attitude proving he is occasionally but the thing is, Luffy is someone who makes a promise and will see it through. To him all promises he makes hold the same amount of importance to him. So you'd think that Zoro, being around him for so long, would understand that key aspect of Luffy's character. That and the "Can't deal with the loss of one old man" felt unnecessarily mean-spirited even for Zoro.
I think you have misunderstood this whole concept of the "death of Vegapunk", it is not the death that hurts him but the failure to keep a promise, for us it may sound stupid but for Luffy a promise is a promise, whether it is saving Vegapunk or being king of the pirates, Zoro promised Luffy to never lose until he defeated Mihawk, how do you think Zoro would be if he didn't keep the promise? good? I don't believe it. Realize that it only takes Lilth's words of "you kept your promise" for Luffy to be good again, I don't think it's that difficult to understand if you pay attention to the dialogues a little.
All those people that died in those wars on Wano and Marineford, so Luffy crying about an old man is honestly wild. There were plenty of people that fought with them and died, and Luffy wasn't acting like that. Zoro is right.
I think its more about failing to keep the promise but Zoro is right either way. I like how the fandom is acting like a buncha soft ahh kids like what Zoro said isn't completely true. Like u can grieve but not like this. Have some dignity and grieve like a man. U are 19 years old for christ sake. Who tf wants to see a PK that cries after an L. Like thats some season 1 Deku type energy. Zoro is always the one to tell Luffy to man up and mfs acting like they can't take some harsh words like a bunch a toddlers.
@@rand12389 yeah, like zoro basically hinted at several times. They CHOOSE to pirates so they need to accept what comes with it. Like chopper at Davey back and that can apply to usopp especially at water 7. Being a pirate means being in the grand line with means loss war ,death, powerful enemies, and monsters , if you can't handle that kind of stuff then piracy isn't for you.
@@greendecepticon6148its ok to greieve though. Its been all of 10 minutes since they left the island. Let the man get the CHANCE to move on bro. It's not like Luffy is gonna be sad the rest of the story; he knows the risk of the pirate life. I dont get why everyones overthinking this.
This is a fake conflict. Oda is trying to create drama where there was none. Nobody should care about vega becuase we did just meet him. It's a poorly constructed plot point that he's just throwing in.
Yall then: wow g5 luffys laughing? Ima ignore that it's a symptom of his fruit and act like he doesn't care about Stella. This is super disrespectful!!! Yall now: wow luffys silently eating grapes and reflecting on his failure to keep Stella alive??? He's such a fraud why is he showing emotion? Good thing we have the man who chose to gag on leopard fur instead of helping here to straighten him out.
I think Oda was just going for a tough guy comment from Zoro to just get a sentence out of him and it’s not that deep… he was taking a sip from his drink and saying “get over it”, it’s a pretty much just a gag.
talking out of your a ss bro. Zoro has said he doesnt wanna follow a weak captain since 1999 this isnt "out of character" at all, he expects more from luffy
Zoro is absolutely in the wrong. Luffy didn’t just lose Vegapunk the man, he failed his mission to saved him. Back in marineford, luffy didn’t just lose ace. He pulled up on impossible odds with the singular mission of saving ace alongside the entire whitebeard crew. He faced warlords, admirals, even the fleet admiral. He faced his own grandfather who was a prominent male and even father-like symbol in both his and ace’s life and punched him without hesitation just to save Ace. He nearly died and also almost succeeded, but failed. The tragedy is due not just to the loss of someone you love but the failure felt from having not succeeded in saved them even despite all the effort. The same happened with Vegapunk during egghead. Luffy’s protection over Vegapunk was an order given to sanji, and after hey escape they say they failed their mission to protect Vegapunk. It’s the same situation as with ace. Now obviously you can still play dumb and say “shank’s statement about it being ok to cry over ace’s death is related to a much more heartbreaking circumstance than just vegapunk dying.” And that’s true. Obviously luffy shouldn’t react the same way over vegapunk dying as wi the ace dying, …but he didn’t. With ace, luffy was completely traumatized. With vegapunk luffy was just really sad. Shank’s statement still applies to the situation just to a lesser extent than with ace because obviously luffy was closer with ace. Zoro was just being an asshole because unfortunately that’s how he is sometimes. He wants to uphold what he expects from his captain but sometimes he been wrong regarding his stances on certain points. That’s ok. Now I shouldn’t have been surprised you agreed with Zoro here because I know you’re an infamous yonko glazer. Half of this video is dedicated to glazing the yonko as to try and bring credibility to Zoro using the yonko title to be an asshole. Your main point of the yonko being so dominant over the marines is that one stated from Garp. Unfortunately you never read it in a fair way. Garp says that the marines + the warlords are currently what’s equating the yonko. Now does this somehow mean that yonko > admirals like I’ve seen you try to say with this statement before? No. The admirals don’t have crews. The yonko have crews. How many times do you think kol has glazed the power of a yonko’s crew specifically. A lot, and that’s cuz the story itself does so too. Remember when Marco commented on how expectedly hard it is to stall kaido’s top two commanders? The admirals have vice admirals, but everyone including kol are overwhelmingly aware that the vice admirals are ass. Outside of Garp, none of them are relevant. If you put an equal admiral and yonko in a fight with their crew and vice admirals, the yonko would still win even if they themselves were equal to the admiral. The vice admirals are poo poo compared to yonko crews. And yeah the marines have armies of fodder marines, but yonko have entire fleets too. The warlords made up for the advantage yonko had by having strong crews. That’s really all it is. None of this means the yonko position means that individual is stronger than someone in the admiral position. Sure you can point to shanks who is the strongest yonko embarrassing Greenbull who is the weakest admiral. But kizaru in egghead stalemated luffy while barely paying attention to him and being mentally conflicted. Aokiji scales higher than big mom too. It just depends on the matchup. The positions themselves are more or less equal. Also…this garp statement absolutely does not include the gorosei or Imu. Be fr. The marines are not the same as the world government. The world government has the marines to do their fighting for them. That does mean Imu is subject to the same losses that like fujitora would have. Saturn himself says it’s been forever since he’s touched the surface when he pulled up to egghead. They purposefully do not intervene directly unless you can’t Imu using the ancient weapon.
@@vinwick775 To me, his disregard for Vegapunk is pretty spot on for his character. However, I think the way he dragged the fight with Lucci for no real reason was bad writing.
The bum that forced Jinbei to abandon the weakhats and made Atlas pull a chiatzu has no right to speak on mourning. The only reason things even got this bad was because he was to weak to handle two seraphim and had to free Kaku and Lucci.
Are you going to say the same thing about Luffy not being able to fight the seraphim, too, because he needed Rob help to fight one and still did not win. Or are you just super biased. Nobody defeated the seraphine besides the bubble gun.
The hate is crazy 🤣 Also wasn’t sanji there? Why do yall need zoro ain’t sanji just as strong as zoro 🤣 Yall don’t need no moss head sanji got this right 🤣 I mean sanji has only won 1 fight all post time skip and stalled everyone else he ever faced but sanji got this right 🤣
As a Luffy fan and him being my number one protagonist, I understand Zoro very well. This is nothing new Zoro held Luffy down when Ussop left. Zoro will always be cold and harsh it isn't that he doesn't care Zoro is shown to have emotions on many occasions. I believe he just knows the time and place for such things. He told Luffy to stop playing this is the new world when he was flopping battles and being caught off guard due to carelessness. Furthermore, Luffy is an idiot anyone who thinks he claimed to be genius is not watching the anime or reading the manga. Clearly, he stated on his own he is absolutely useless "I can't cook. I can't clean, can't draw a map I can't steer a ship. Without my crew I would die on the sea." Zoro knows who his captain is as all of them do all Zoro is doing here is simply his part Zoro always hits Luffy hard where it hurts because it's his job and he believes in him.
Zoro doesn't get the sadness that comes with not keeping a promise, because he promised "never to lose again" and broke it multiple times with no remorse lol
Keep in mind; Luffy saw Pedro go all "explody" and there was no "mopey Luffy", he knew they had to push forward at the time. Even after the events in Whole Cake, Luffy was just chilling with Sanjis food, even after spending time with Pedro So for him to get all mopey over old man Vega who already had a target on his back from the WG...is a bit odd.
@@belowaveragegamer95 Vegapunk told luffy that those guys were coming to kill him though. They were put in a dangerous position just by protecting Vega. It's one thing to know someone has a red target on them to having someone sacrifice themselves out of the blue
@@mistersureshot1749 Yeah but Luffy never made a promise. The whole reason Luffy was down was cause he failed to keep his promise rather than the death itself. Luffy kinda don't have much of a problem with death itself imo.
@@belowaveragegamer95 Him keeping a "promise" is not much a deciding a factor on how much luffy should "care". Cause on that notion, Luffy didn't care about Pedro then (except he did say his name later in Wano). Luffy knew what was coming to Egghead
I think a lot of us are forgetting why we feel in love with one piece now that luffy is an Yanko. Luffy's whole thing is hes a pirates but isnt like they other pirates. He wants ultimate freedom. But his ultimate freedom doesnt mean stepping on others lives to achieve it. If anything hes ultimate freedom would be to liberate the entire world and have a party with them. Hes the exact opposite of blackbeard, blackbeard will do anything for his freedom. A world were blackbeard is at top. Being good is why Luffy' crew joined him. Its why he made several pirate alliance. Luffy does what he wants but what he wants is also happens to help a lot of people. I also think luffy understands the true value of people. Luffy isnt smart and he used to tell his crew all the time. He cant do everything thats why they are there. He need Nami for he navigation skill. A lot of the crew fills specific roles. And if they dont they are strong and courageous enough to face Yanko all by themselves and still achieve their missions. Luffys understands that and extends that same feelings to the random people he meets on the islands. I mean skypiea. Without the help of Cricket that adventure would have never happened he would have never seen the writing of Rodger. There are so many examples of this. For him to lose that little bit of humanity to him he would be just any other pirates. So maybe he was crying for the old man. But he was doing it because he couldnt keep a promise. Egghead was a nice dude to luffy and the crew. All versions of egghead. We have to be real here too. Without Egghead luffy and crew would not have made it out of egghead island. There was a lot of close calls and people with powers we have never seen before. I personal dont think he was crying because the old man egghead died either, just he couldn't keep his promises. Just like i was saying before Luffy does good things but its more for his on personal desires. But I can understand zoro's statement.
You can't compare Luffy to any other Yonkou. Luffy has an empathic connection with pretty much everyone he comes across. His line about, if he can't protect his crew, he can't protect anyone. He doesn't want to let anyone die again that's under his watch. Ace was too much!!
This stupid WSC kaido was crying drunk shanks say okay to show emotion , BM got whole bunch of emotional issues , there is a reason why zoro not say this to luffy face. It's okay for luffy to be moppy after he find out about VP a short while afterward about breaking his promise .
that was just for comedy relief during fight, Luffy should stand on business or else I don't see how he is going to face Blackbeard and you know how blackbeard is tricky, Zoro is right Luffy needs to man.
My biggest problem with how people are understanding this scene is that they think Zoro is shaming Luffy's performance on Egghead. He isn't. He is saying that he should stop crying and get over it. What is done is done. Especially since Luffy technically didn't fail, because Lilith is alive. And also, unlike the other Strawhats Zoro probably had the fewest interactions with any of the Vegapunks so he wasn't as attached to them. Pair this with Zoro's more stoic nature and harsh attitude in tough situations this response isn't unusual. I honestly think a lot of the damage was caused by the leaks for this scene which were translated wrong and of course, people then jump to conclusions and make up their minds about the scene before it's properly translated.
The official translation isn't much better, also being attachment has never affected Luffy or Zoro on how they acted on each arc. It just feels weirdly out of character
Another casual 'Zoro not understanding Luffy as a person' moment. Luffy is mostly crying because he failed to keep his promise, not because an "old geezer" he barely knows died. To Luffy that's similar to not being able to prove his resolve and will power and even puts his dream in to question. To say Luffy is over reacting in any way, is like saying Zoro over reacted when he first lost to Mihawk. Then again, what would Mr. "I will never lose again" know about keeping words lol.
Zoro is an edgelord, so he can cry and show emotions when making an oath to his captain about becoming the strongest sword fighter but Luffy can't show remorse for thinking he wasn't good enough to save someone else? Which is one of Luffy's most important character traits, becoming strong enough to protect his nakama. Honestly that was a weird line coming from Zoro.
I think people misunderstood what zoro is saying. Luffy is childish and he never wants to let go of the fact that the world isn't all sun shine and rainbows. Luffy literally went through hell in marineford yet is crying like crazy because he couldn't save a old man? I dont think people understand that Luffy is being childish by sticking to his beliefs that as long as he has hope no one has to die but in reality it doesn't work that way because people are gonna die regardless yet Luffy in his mind doesn't want to accept that. That's truly why zoro is calling him pathetic because he understands the world for what it is.
Headcanon. Imu was horrified at the powerhouses he/she/it/they saw at god's valley so he/she/it/they decided to leave these powerhouses alone. Imu probably never expected to see this much power. Thus since godvalley imu has been very weary of powerhouses like that, very careful when handling a powerhouse like that, because imu knows these powerhouses would whoop azz. Xebec, roger, garp, whitebeard, garling, sengoku, shiki, kaidou, Linlin, shanks, mehawk, luffy, blackbeard. Imu be putting some respeccc in their name. And yeah, if imu aint scared to pick a fight with you, you ain't a yonko tier power wise. So yeah, oden, dragon and akainu is getting ruled out.
Luffy was sad he didnt keep a promise Lilith cheered him up because,while he still doesnt quite get it, her key words were "Dont be sad Luffy,you havs kept your promise to me"
If luffy is bummed about something, hes entitled to feel that way, emperor or not. hes the captain and the emperor so if he feels a way about the situation, he does. justified or not. now if zoro said he shouldnt feel that way cause xyz, then he'd have a greater argument, if one old man is he reason from the outside looking in it would seem valid, and given he spent majority of the arc fighting lucci, no wonder he doesnt understand. first things first, the connections vegapunk has to a couple of them like robbin and franky, one more than the other and how luffys took promises in the past, if anything im surprised franky or robin didnt have anything more to say about it, and in my opinion wouldve been nice to see. regardless, he has a point if luffy want to maintain that visage of the standard emperor, and thats the problem I have with his mentality, luffy is by no means standard and can conduct himself as he feels, does that means hes 100% correct? hell no, but if youre gonna say somethings pathetic take a look at the picture as a whole and the hypocrisy that comes with that statement when he didnt experience the vast majority of when luffy went through to keep that one promise he though he failed to keep.
Their a passive group of pirates, I treat it the same as Yasu dying with Zoro and Sanji so close but he gets executed right in front of them, but it barely matters in terms of what they were responsible for. We know Vega punk has back ups but the mission request was failed even if death that way was intended. Luffy was remorseful about that; from the way things occur on every island previously its all well ends well we ruined the opposition, lets party this time it was just the ordeal was hollow there were no songs to sing over this one. Zoro is one to talk based on how he would not relent against Lucci he had to stubbornly have the win he desired over Lucci it could not happen, he was carried off by Jimbei. Zoro would stay to die than not win decisively, even if it was not necessary.
Luffy's whole thing is how he always keeps his word. He made a promise and failed to keep it when that intrinsically goes against who he is. I disagree there's nothing pathetic about that.
Luffy was crying BECAUSE OF THE FAIL PROMISE KOL !!!! You are way to smart to act this dumb. Luffy made a promise to Sentomaru to save old man punk in which he failed, so no Zoro is not right in this situation. And the argument could be made had Zoro handle his business with Lucci Gucci, than maybe the old man could have lived. But than we wouldn't have gotten the afterlife message to the world.
We know why Luffy is crying. Zoro is only stating that Luffy ,as a Yonko should be able to take this Loss on the Chin & as a Man. Luffy does have the right to be sad . But its pathetic to sit in those sad emotions when you're one of the worlds most wanted men. That's what I believe Zoro is getting at ! Harsh yes but true to ZORO's character
So he said it like, "Hey, we have to keep up appearances. People in Your position shouldn't be crying around in public" He's right in that regard, but out of all people he should know how important it is to keep your word to people. One piece is great. exploring nuance and cater motivation
@ghostsotelo5191 Well, vegapuck told Sanji to leave him and that he wanted to die. What right did Sanji have to not listen to vegapunk If he would have kept vegapunk alive, then he would have failed luffy
@@olahisawsome robin told luffy to leave to her die What right did luffy have to save her? Also I didn’t know vegapunk was sanjis captain Could have sworn luffy said “ save vegapunk” Also wtf? How would saving vegapunk have meant sanji failed luffy 🤣🤣
@ghostsotelo5191 Luffy knew robin didn't want to die Vegapunk didn't want to die, and luffy saw that so. He wasn't there when vegapunk decided to change his mind Yeah, Sanji didn't have to listen to vegapunck Also, kinda weird thing pushing the Sanji Failed luffy thing. The straw hats don't plase blame on anyone, so saying Sanji fail is weird Also Also vegapunck lives any way with lilith
@@olahisawsome head canon going crazy🤣 when did I say the straw hats blamed him? I said he failed luffy and that’s a fact 🤣 Luffy will never say it but that’s what happened Sanji himself should be seeing this as a fail
I see this as a sign that we are going to get real answers about when Zoro saw that Grim reaper, him getting a visit from death itself and it never being mentioned again at all since then is not just a one off.
I sometimes think Luffy and his behaviour isn't all his but as we know Zoan DF personalities also come through so what we see now we know that Luffy has the Nika Nika fruit is traits of this.
I think Zoro should not be excused for his harsh words, and I think gullibility is a bad thing. I agree that Luffy needs to work on dealing with character death and find growth.
I actually think this is in character for Zoro. This is the same guy who told everyone to shut up when they were crying over Vivi. Even said they should kidnap her if they’re gonna keep whining. He did the same when Usopp left the crew. Even after they rescued Robin and she thanked them, he told her to “save this stupid conversation for later.” People forget how much of a party pooper he is. The man’s a menace lmao
Jinbe and Zoro both saying he needs to man up now. I agree! Man up, this happen now. Luffy wanted this he cant be crying when he sees what comes with the title. You have to achieve things even if its not the way you wanted it too.
This is why Luffy was chosen by the Nika Fruit if it can choose. Because of his compassion for people when they ask for help. If there is someone who’s going to stop the WG, it HAS to be a group of people who are compassionate
Goodness. The reading comprehension of this fanbase is atrocious in these comments. Zoro is simply saying luffy shouldn’t be MOPING about someone’s death. Luffy can feel sad or defeated but as an emperor he shouldn’t SHOW IT or let it affect him THIS MUCH. Get it? He should’ve already recovered and continue to look forward. Because luffy is an emperor now and he has a new image as such to uphold. It’s the same thing with enies lobby where zoro reminded luffy that he’s a captain of a pirate crew FIRST and friend SECOND. Zoro’s job is to make sure his captain knows what’s up. Zoro wasn’t MOPING over yasuie nor his friends death when he was a kid. He moved forward quickly. Plus even if that’s the case, zoro isn’t the emperor, luffy is. LUFFY needs to uphold a new image especially with how all prior emperors acted in public view. An emperor shouldn’t get depressed.
I don't think Luffy cares about the yonko title. Even being the pirate king is a stepping stone for his actual dream. A mere title won't define how he acts.
The way I see it, Luffy needs ambition, since not only does that fit his position as a Yonko, but ambition is literally what fuels Haki. If Luffy has the ambition to fill the shoes of a Yonko, to defend his territories and pick fights with those who challenge his position as a Yonko, it would only serve to make Luffy stronger. He needs stronger and more Haki to use gear 5 without becoming a prune after 5 minutes after all. Which is sort of paradoxical, since Luffy is all about freedom, being unfettered by obligations and free to pursue his goals and dreams. Thus far, what has fueled Luffy's growth is his ambition to do what he wants to do, no matter what that might be. Which aligns with his goals, whevever he archives his often selfish and impossible goals, he gets stronger, he is living up to his ambition, his Haki improves. This time, he did not archieve his goals, in Luffy's mind he lost as he could not do what he promised he would. However, Luffy did not know that Vegapunk did not intend to live, even though he asked Luffy to save him. Which is why Lilith telling them that he did not actually die is very important for luffy's growth, but only if luffy agrees that vegapunk's plan to die was a good one. If there is one crew member who would know this about Luffy it would be Zoro, so him chastising Luffy might be related to Zoro believing that Luffy has to have more ambition than before as he is now that much closer to his goal and he cannot afford to break down over every small hurdle or setback. It is similar to what Luffy did to Vivi in the desert, chastising her for believing that she could do it all on her own without anyone dying. Zoro is saying that there is a price to pay, to climb to the top you cannot give up every time you stumble.
13:37 respectfully, Luffy doesn’t care about being a yanko lol he doesn’t care about having influence, or territory. He’s sad about an old man’s death mind u. The only ones around are his friends and loved ones sooooo…what exactly is pathetic about that? Who cares if Vegapunk “isn’t as important to global conflict” why the hell would that matter at all when mourning the loss of someone. Zoro’s point is dumb n honestly I don’t it was that serious fr, I think is a case of ppl hyper focusing on a throw away line
One piece fans when luffy is launching in gear 5 while vegapunk is dying: why isn't luffy taking things more seriously vegapunk is literally dying 😡 One piece fans after egghead while luffy is crying for not kepping his promise to vegapunk: I agree with zoro luffy needs to stop acting a baby 🤨
Actually the main reason Luffy is so distraught is that he made a promise and he thought he failed at it and someone died under his watch. If the same thing happened with Zorro making a promise to somebody and they die he will be in the same position. He's also being a little harsh considering what happened on Wano. It's not like it's been days it's been at best a couple of hours. Let the man grieve.
Y'all forgot that sentomaru asked Luffy to make sure vegapunk escaped. Luffy promised him he would do it and he failed. Zoro shouldn't be saying anything because he couldn't even take out Rob Lucci while Luffy was doing everything. Even Sanji commented on why Zoro was taking so long.
*thumbnail*
Zoro: "Think, Luffy! Think!"
Luffy: "But I don't wanna."
more like "But I don't know how to!"
😂😂
@@gustavo9758i have a rubber brain
People are missing that the reason Luffy is especially sad about Vegapunk's death is because he broke his promise to him. What's another promise that Luffy always makes? That he's going to be King of the Pirates! Vegapunk's death would be a sign that Luffy can't keep his promises, so that might mean that he can't keep his promise to be Pirate King. At the end of the chapter, once he is told that Vegapunk is actually "alive", he realises that he CAN keep his promises and regains his confidence to exclaim that he's DEFINITELY gonna be King of the Pirates!! 👑
It was also a component when Ace died, for a while he lost his confidence and thought that he wasn't strong enough to be Pirate King
@@CreechieFX thats an excellent way at looking at it, that means that this really says more about luffy then it does about Zoro so ppl shounldnt be hung up on Zoro imo
Yes, Luffy also slapped Vivi and told her, PEOPLE DIE. Back in Alabasta
I think Oda is just making it clear that the straw hats didn’t win, they barely escaped with their lives, and Luffy cant take a loss
“Luffy can’t take a loss” …are you watching one piece….
@@Andre-im7eqyeah and egg head is one of the few times Luffy said he’d do something and failed
@@Bilby-q8bdid you not read the last chapter, VP is alive.
they quite literally finished the arc celebrating after lilith confirmed to luffy he didn’t fail lol
@@Andre-im7eqHe truly can’t take it nowadays. The only time He took a loss happily was against Buggy lol
I think it's simple for Zoro, his entire persona and moral code is about accepting death without a shred of hesitation. He has casually embraced death many times in his life. To him, his own death or even the deaths of his friends aren't necessarily a defeat so long as they don't compromise on their ideals.
Bruh, Kuina ruins all of your logic
@@professorhawk777 That's not true at all. Zoro didn't give up on becoming the greatest swordsman because Kuina died. She taught him never to back down even a centimeter because death can come seemingly at random. Kuina's death made Zoro more resolute, not less. Zoro was only expressing his unwillingness to allow himself to have have regrets in the face of death. Zoro lives on the blade's edge all day, every day. This is bushido 101 which Zoro is the emblem of in OP.
@@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr people will say zoro isn’t well written & not even understand his character, smh.
@tlungu962 Speaking on his character, don't you think Zoro was written strangely in this arc?
@professorhawk777 "bRuH kUinA rUinS aEl aV yEuR lOgIk, taKe tHat I tOlD YeU sO 🤓☝️"
Luffy was down because he failed to keep his word. That's what it's about, it's how he is. He won't change.
That is stupid.. luffy don't even cry when Bon Clay died saving luffy's multiple times. He cried over someone he met 1 week ago?
@@ehnay7393 Luffy didn't promise to keep Bon Clay alive.
@@chaotixthefox veganpunk ain't dead man. So why is luffy crying for? York and lilith are part of veganpunk.
@@ehnay7393 The promise was to keep Old Man Vegapunk alive. And I would object to your reasoning as that is very much like saying someone didn't die because some young clones of them exist. If the original dies the original is dead.
@@ehnay7393 It is a slight on his strength he swore to save someone's life and failed hasn't really happened like that since ace. Luffy will never be Zoro. He will grow up and he has however his heart is bigger than Zoro certain things Zoro won't do Luffy will. Does this make him a bad character? Hell no, he is just different Zoro follows him because who he is but it's also his place to tell Luffy harsh things to keep him together as his first mate. No one on that crew believes in Luffy more than Zoro his dedication is next level that's why it's so easy for him to judge. Nami comes a close second, but Zoro will die on the spot to give Luffy a second chance any day any time even if that means and end to his journey as the strongest swordsman that's stupid to be honest as well, how are you going to be the world's greatest swordsman if you die before you beat every swordsman in battle? But their faith and characteristics are exactly why they are so amazing.
Burh KOL my guy you read it completely wrong!!!!!!
Luffy wasn't grieving because of the death of Vegapunk, he understands death and is able to accept it, an example of this is Pedro. He was upset not because of Vegapunk's death but because he wasn't able to keep his "promise". Two completely different things. To Luffy not fulfilling his promises is what makes him upset
And Oda was emphasizing the Parallels between Kizaru and Luffy to the resulting death of Vegapunk
he was upset for failing…. he’s ok with people dying ….. even if zoro is right in the statement hes not right to what he’s upset about thats why he was fine when the promise was confirmed to be kept
Lilith came to fix the situation to soften zoro's harsh statement and yet ppl still mad at zoro, i find that funny, shouldnt ppl be mad at lilith for not allowing luffy to grieve properly lol
@@mokaljordan he wasn’t grieving he literally complained about not being able to keep a promise even though hes a yonko ….. these are luffys words…. and only when he was told his promise was actually kept he felt better ….. all the other vegapunks are still dead minus york hes not crying cause the man is dead…. hes actually not crying hes disappointed he failed to keep a promise
@@musicallyinclined7000 yea by him complaining and not grieving that just makes zoro even more correct, luffy being upset was more bout his lack of power as a yonko to keep his promise more so than him being depressed that stella died
@@mokaljordan I get that Zorro is the type of character to never really show any amount of weakness and holds his peers play the same standard.
However, this was the guy who was emotionally charged over what happened with Yasui in Wano.
was waiting for KOL to touch on this but never did, almost as if he completely misunderstood why Luffy was upset.
Do people an Zoro expect luffy to change as a person just because he is an emperor?! I personally don't think luffy should become more serious or heartless just because he is now a emperor!
People expect character growth over 1200 chapters.
@@Sephiroso. True why hasn't Zoro changed either same dude since day one. His most notable change is that he smiles less now.
@@amaridawkins64 Bruh, Zoro is one of the most prideful characters in the show and has been since day 1. This prideful character SET ASIDE HIS PRIDE for his own dream of being the world's strongest swordsman and was ready to sacrifice his life just so Luffy and the others would live on Thrillerbark and you're trying to say he had 0 character growth.
@@Sephiroso. My comment sounds pretty dumb huh now reevaluate yours. Saying luffy hasn’t grown is pretty dumb.
The importance of promises/ a mans word is like half of zoros character. It still makss no sense for him to say that in this situation where luffy wasnt able to keep his promise.
The same dude that was upset over Yasuie dying has the nerve to tell Luffy not to be upset about Vegapunk. Nasty work
Yeah also the same dude with asthma that stalled Lucci for months till Sanji came along 😅
Same dude who's dedicated his entire life purpose to a girl who lost to a flight of stairs over a decade ago💀
Upset over someone’s death and moping around the ship over it cancelling a party is completely different you cornballs 🤦🏿♂️😂
Yeah, the famous panel of Zoro crying over Yasuie's death, a classic.
What pissed him off wasn’t just the death of yasuie. It was the way it happened. Having his daughter being forced to laugh at his death is what pissed him off.
Zoro can’t tell the King of the Pirates how to live his life or feel 😂
Meanwhile the pirate king luffy always listening to his right hand man
🐐🤝🗿
Kizaru killing vegapunk can though.
Hes not telling him to feel hes telling to stop looking pathetic, the other crew members accepted their losses and luffy is eating grapes frustrated that he couldnt keep a promise, luffys ego is bruised lol
@@mokaljordan This is how luffy act when his plot armour doesnt work haha
@@vazzed yea hes like " i got the power to keep my promises now wtf" hope we see more serious gear 5 moments from luffy like how he held down both saturn and kizaru when vegapunk got pierced by saturn's leg
L take. I’m with Brago on this one. If you go just a little deeper and evaluate each yonko we’ve been introduced as characters you’ll find Luffys behavior is par for the course for all the yonkos. Everyone one of them have been whimsical and weird. Big mom was constantly committing “emperor” malpractice as she was always damn near as dangerous to her own operations as she was her enemies. Kaido was suicidal and bipolar af. Shanks is just as non serious with a fleet of fodder. So luffy will be okay as yonko even if he wears his heart on his sleeve lol
He was moping over not keeping his words not of keeping alive not the death it's self . Y'all reading it wrong
facts.
Even if that's the case, crying because you couldn't fulfill a promise you made is worse.
@@RomarioAllison thats true but it doesnt make zoro's statement any less factual or insensitive if anything it makes zoro ignorant or hypocritical as he kept a promise to kuina that he failed to keep when he lost to mihawk but unlike luffy zoro has another chance to keep his promise
@@mokaljordan Luffy is a 20 year old pirate. Stfu with that sensitive sh*t. There isn't any rainbow flags in onepiece
@@mokaljordanentirely different situation my man. That was zoros affirmation to himself and his captain after realizing the level his goal (mihawk) was at. He wasn’t moping or being a cry baby. He was expressing his will to never have any regrets in the face of death and to never lose like that again. This is different, luffy has known vegapunk for like 2 days lol.
Sorry, but nah. Most of these takes on Zoro are hilarious to me because what I see here is the same Zoro we already saw on Punk Hazard and on Zou and plenty of times pre-ts. When Zoro gets "serious" with Luffy and "grumpy" it's always because HE feels he is lacking.
He himself is upset with himself(!) but because he was never one to admit that so he is grumpily projecting his feelings on Luffy. He started the whole fight with Lucci because Stussy got hurt protecting Vegapunk when they got surprised by Lucci (something he suspected would happen but couldn't prevent). He then got told by Lucci he is dead weight when the crew is getting attacked by Kizaru and tries to flee, then that sentiment is echoed by Sanji, Jimbei and Nami eventually who all tell him to get going and then he watched Atlas blow herself up in a sacrifice so they could finally escape after waiting on him. This is what's going on here, not Luffy having to "project standing" and Zoro teaching him or some bs.
This is the same guy from last arc that fucked up the Onigashima stealth plan because he thought of a little hungry girl when people spilled soup, the man that refused to retreat because he wanted revenge on Orochi after Yasui died, the guy that saw Kiku's arm falling from the roof to push him to defeat Apoo and get up there.
The same guy that is carrying around a promise he made to a dead childhood friend and made that his life's goal. Zoro cares about both people and promises, and if Sanji was in that scene they both would be arguing and fighting to blow of some steam from the pressure, but because he's with "the other guys" he's instead downing drinks telling himself that caring about people and failing is dumb.
Nah, Zoro is wrong, Luffy is indefinitely supposed to be emotionally off about not being able to keep his promise to that old man, you know the greatest scientist of known history.
Luffy, Shanks, Whitebeard, Roger & even fucking Kaido understand that following rules such as upholding a deal you swore to uphold is one of the most important part of crew.
We saw Kaido literally physically dive untop of Jack to protect him when he got hurt to keep him from dying in Wano. Keep in mind Kaido is evil & even he knew that he promised Jack he'd protect him, so he did.
“no agenda, just pure facts”
- proceeds to show a picture of old white beard and Big Mum as yonko level but Kuzan, Mihawk and Luffy as not.
Emperor or not, Luffy is still Luffy, he can have emotions, can have the right to be upset that he couldn't keep his promise. And it's not like he was crying or humiliating himself in front of strangers or an enemy
I love how the people using the “luffy needs to reflect an emperor” argument are forgetting that he gets beaten up and talked to like a child by everyone in the crew and damn near everyone they meet
Luffy has trauma from not keeping his promise about rescuing ace. It’s an underlying theme all throughout Post Timeskip. That’s why luffy in fishman island says “he won’t let people he cares about die ever again” he’s traumatized
Luffy is above an emperor. A king is free to do what he wants.
So he choose to take the L at egghead? Lol
@@ghostsotelo5191 No, he chooses to react to the events however he wants. He is not pressured to command properly, only to be as free as possible, and to spread as much of that freedom to others.
@@ghostsotelo5191vegapunk wanted to die it wasn’t luffys fault. Vega planned to die he left a letter to his future self after he wiped his memories.
@@triple466 nice copium but they still took the L this arc specially sanji 🤣
No he's not , not even one bit
First of all , luffy never cared about being an Emperor , for him his status now and his status before defeating kaido are the same , he's not the kind of guy who will suddenly start acting differently and taking things seriously that he wouldn't have taken seriously before becoming an emperor , he said it himself at the end of dressrosa, he doesn't want to become some big shot that's binded by expectations
And the most important part, luffy does not need to be more like other yonkos like kaido and big mom , are we forgetting that those guys are the losers, literally the main reason luffy defeated them is because of who he is and because his character attract allies, while yonko that takes things seriously and act like "emperors" , end up getting wrecked
Luffy doesn't need to start acting like and mimicking an image of losers he doesn't respect, hell he based his whole image from shanks while not knowing he's a yonko
Stop luffy is shown happy of his pirate status every time he gets bounty up. Also zoro is saying luffy is a pirate captain and a yonko he needs to be strong 4 his crew. He needs behave in a way that reflects his status not changing himself. Its like when he told luffy not to accept ussop back without him apologizing he challenged the captain and left and needed to atone zoro is always their to be the voice of reasoning for luffy
Whether he likes it or not, Luffy IS an emperor and he needs to act that way. Not for him, but for his crew and allies. It’s not about him, and he knows this. “I have to be strong so I won’t lose anyone” that is what he said during Enies Lobby. And he only has increased his responsibility since then. He has an obligation to not be weak in moments like this. Shanks said it was okay to cry when Luffy was at his weakest and needed to be stronger. It wasn’t an excuse to cry all the time. Luffy is a great pirate and he needs to act like it.
@@brucewayne497luffy gets beat up by everyone in his crew, so idk what your talking about with that reflect in a way an emperor would
Also, even despite that they still respect his strength, him taking Ussop back was one thing but this is completely different, luffy already made a promise to himself that he wouldn’t let anyone die, so ofc this is hitting him
Zoro is dead wrong
Cry more
@@jonathanmcculley3728 dude literally gets beat up and talked to like a child by everyone in the crew, so idk why yall are saying this “ he needs to be strong for his crew” crap, if yall didn’t care about that why is this a big deal?
bruh, a 20 minute yapping session just to get revoked by the very basis of what the series is based on😂
Zoros was a whole ass fraud and bum for what he said, it’s not just about vegapunk dying, it’s also about Bonney and sentomaru, luffy made a promise that he didn’t 100% keep.
More like failed at a 100%.. all the satellites were ok with dying as long as the stella survived..now that all of them died except one satellite you wanna call it a success??
Luffy never cared about title, failing to do what he promised is what hurts him
Luffy is more sad that he couldn’t save vegapunk that was a whole promise he made with Sentamaru especially if Luffy knows how strong he is.
Even though I see what Zoro is saying I think Zoro is looking at it as him being sad over an old man dying but I think its more Luffy not keeping his promise on getting punk away he stopped crying as soon as Lilith explained the situation I think Zoro is misunderstanding why Luffy is ultimately sad but I do understand his point and expectation being apart of an Yonko crew
Zoro had to put lil bro goofy in check
Zoro does kinda have a point but not really. Luffy isn't really mourning vegapunk. He is mourning the fact that he gave his word to protect but he failed. You see this as he recovers immediately after being comforted by Lilith who said that he didn't really fail. If you are a yonko your word is and should be law. An inevitability like numerous characters have explained. The fact Luffy failed to keep his word puts his position in jeopardy not his grief.
Exactly. I get what Zoro's trying to get through but the reason I can't help but feel put off by his comment is because of who Luffy is as a person.
Yeah he's a yonko and should have an attitude proving he is occasionally but the thing is, Luffy is someone who makes a promise and will see it through. To him all promises he makes hold the same amount of importance to him. So you'd think that Zoro, being around him for so long, would understand that key aspect of Luffy's character.
That and the "Can't deal with the loss of one old man" felt unnecessarily mean-spirited even for Zoro.
The title of Yonko means NOTHING to Luffy. Absolutely nothing. Matters to Zoro but not to Luffy
If Zoro was with black beard he would be a totally different monster fr💯🤣
1:46 That's rich coming from Zoro who should have stomped Rob Lucci already than playing around with him.
Its the frustation that he couldnt which is getting to him. Thus he is lashing out as luffy
@@aritrasaha441 That he couldn't party
Quit it with this "playing around" nonsense. Zoro could not even cut Lucci without needing a rage boost.
The entire point of that fight was to show how beneath Luffy zoro was when he can't even handle Luffy's leftovers.
we are not talking about the fight but Luffy should shoulder the title of emperor and not mope at vegapunk death like a kid, he is 19 years old.
He was just mad he couldn't party cuz Luffy was sad 😅
His insensitive
Absolutely also the same dude that could barely even beat Lucci till Sanji arrived 😂
@@nyleriverson4017sanji never arrived 🤣
Matter of fact Sanji ran away from lucci
Did yall forget when lucci hit stussy and stussys dog did nothing 😂.
Just looked the other way as he seen a woman get hit
Also luffy also failed at taking lucci down 😂
If anything Zoro put more damage on lucci then Luffy did
After Zoro lucci was on his knees and on base
After Luffy lucci was in base but standing and still fighting 😂
Clearly yall sanjis fans disrespecting so let 💩 on you real quick with sanjis fight record post time skip
Vergo: stalled
Doffy: stalled
Bege: stalled and go kidnapped
Oven: stalled
Page 1: stalled
Black Maria: stalled
King: stalled
As sanji fans yall got a lot of nerve talking about stalling 🤣
@@ghostsotelo5191sanji needed to reprimand zoro in order for him to win
Also @@ghostsotelo5191 and couldn’t hold on, And in 1111 lucci was still standing after zoros attack, he even said it😂
What manga are you reading?
@@ghostsotelo5191 he insulted zoro and made zoro go all out so he can finally injure lucci lol
Y'all should see Jay's reaction to zoro's obvious insensitivity towards luffy's feelings in mourning Vaga punks death like any normal person would, it's not about being a Yonko or a Pirate what comes first is being the person that U are, like always ppl side with Zoros insensitivity cuz his the vice captain and because it's Zoro AKA Walmart PG DISNEY Guts, he didn't keep that same energy with Down.D.Stairs is death, not really tryna slander Zoro, but he needs to read a room
U bringing up a kid zoro crying over his child hood friend as a rebutal makes no sense. Zoro is here to tell/help luffy do hard dicesions or behave more like a responsible captain and not just a friend. Zoro saying luffy is a pirate and a yonko he has to be able to handle consequences of being a pirate feeling sad was not the issue the issue was luffy was depressed and down
A normal person does not grieve over someone they've only known for like a week my guy.
@@Sephiroso. This is Luffy we're talkin about he only knew Vivi for like a week and we saw what he did for her and her country, and That's not even the point, Zoro's being insensitive, he clearly can't read a room
@@brucewayne497 ok how is Luffy acting irresponsibly right now!? For crying? So he can't mourn someone who dies? Above all else Luffy has to act like himself and be himself before being a Yonko Caption or Pirate
@@Shanked-em Bullshit, Vivi was with the Strawhats way way way longer than a week. You think they were sailing from island to island in less than a day? Get real.
I think folks are just looking WAAAAAY too deep into Zoro's behavior last chapter, the reason Zoro said that was because Luffy's mood ruined the party and Zoro was salty about it 😂😂 it's that simple 👌
Zoro's savagery balances out with Luffy's child-like way of reacting.
When I read that, I was actually appalled by how seemingly out of character this line was for Zoro - since HE is the definition of someone who always keeps their promises and holds his captain to even higher standards. If anything, he should best understand how devastating it is for Luffy to break his word (even if it was arguably out of Luffy's control - but since he will be Pirate King, he should be able to deliver even impossible promises in his and Zoro's eyes). After all, how would Zoro think if he learned he cannot keep one of his own promises, for example the one to Kuina? Being true to your word is the core, the essence of who Zoro is and brushing off such promise like Zoro did feels like looking at an impostor.
It's not just an old geezer: IT'S VEGAPUNK!!!!
Zoro is kinda right, but his opinion is a little out of character, if not outright hypocritical, coming from the "Mr my whole life is defined by one promise i made to a dead girl when we were 8" himself
Edit: All that considering Luffy was bummed because he failed his promise, not because Vegapunk died
Zoro promise was for himself he always wanted to be tge strongest swords man she just soldified it
Idk how that’s the same thing. They knew Vegapunk for a few days. That relationship is nowhere near the same. Like what lol.
EXACTLY it's completely out of character
Zoro is 100% in character. Idk what yall are smoking. Zoro's always been like this and Luffy really needs to grow up at some point. Growing up doesn't mean changing your entire character or personality but god damn Luffy makes it hard to root for him sometimes.
I'm pretty sure that promise died on thriller bark someone made a video about it even the title of that episode is called "the end of the dream" or something like that, sacrificing himself to save Luffy and giving up on his dream/promise since he faces Kuma
So
Zoro was an L’s man on this one for sure if my “best” friend said something like this instead of trying to support me that’s an L friend I got I’m sure Luffy would never say that if the roles were reversed
Yes but you and your friend aren’t trying to fight against 200 foot demons, zoro telling luffy to man up is him telling don’t let death deter you from your path, especially since jinbei mentioned before, if you know the treacherous journey we’re in
@@tunnelvision7906 if it’s trecherous even more reason for your friend to support you your logic is messed up
@@BlackIce6 yeah I phrased that horribly, jinbei mentioned how lucky they were to get out of that, luffy shouldn’t allow the death to get to him so bad, they did the impossible by just escaping, and they barley knew the guy. I’m not saying what zoro said is right it’s a bit harsh, but I can see from who zoro is why he’d say that
@@tunnelvision7906 it’s definitely within character for zoro to say that but at the same time when Luffy lost ace the whole crew including zoro wished they could be there to support their captain, their friend and now in the present whether the loss is as equal to a brother or not doesn’t matter he should WANT to be there for his pal imo
I get what Zoro's trying to get through but the reason I can't help but feel put off by his comment is because of who Luffy is as a person.
Yeah he's a yonko and should have an attitude proving he is occasionally but the thing is, Luffy is someone who makes a promise and will see it through. To him all promises he makes hold the same amount of importance to him. So you'd think that Zoro, being around him for so long, would understand that key aspect of Luffy's character.
That and the "Can't deal with the loss of one old man" felt unnecessarily mean-spirited even for Zoro.
I think you have misunderstood this whole concept of the "death of Vegapunk", it is not the death that hurts him but the failure to keep a promise, for us it may sound stupid but for Luffy a promise is a promise, whether it is saving Vegapunk or being king of the pirates, Zoro promised Luffy to never lose until he defeated Mihawk, how do you think Zoro would be if he didn't keep the promise? good? I don't believe it. Realize that it only takes Lilth's words of "you kept your promise" for Luffy to be good again, I don't think it's that difficult to understand if you pay attention to the dialogues a little.
Zoro final opponent is gonna be Down D Stairs calling it now
Is sanjis final opponent Pe D. File?
@@ghostsotelo5191 why would sanji's final opponent be you ?
All those people that died in those wars on Wano and Marineford, so Luffy crying about an old man is honestly wild. There were plenty of people that fought with them and died, and Luffy wasn't acting like that. Zoro is right.
I think its more about failing to keep the promise but Zoro is right either way. I like how the fandom is acting like a buncha soft ahh kids like what Zoro said isn't completely true. Like u can grieve but not like this. Have some dignity and grieve like a man. U are 19 years old for christ sake. Who tf wants to see a PK that cries after an L. Like thats some season 1 Deku type energy. Zoro is always the one to tell Luffy to man up and mfs acting like they can't take some harsh words like a bunch a toddlers.
@@rand12389 yeah, like zoro basically hinted at several times. They CHOOSE to pirates so they need to accept what comes with it. Like chopper at Davey back and that can apply to usopp especially at water 7. Being a pirate means being in the grand line with means loss war ,death, powerful enemies, and monsters , if you can't handle that kind of stuff then piracy isn't for you.
@@greendecepticon6148its ok to greieve though. Its been all of 10 minutes since they left the island. Let the man get the CHANCE to move on bro. It's not like Luffy is gonna be sad the rest of the story; he knows the risk of the pirate life.
I dont get why everyones overthinking this.
This is a fake conflict. Oda is trying to create drama where there was none. Nobody should care about vega becuase we did just meet him. It's a poorly constructed plot point that he's just throwing in.
No he isnt crying cause someone died hes crying cause he didnt keep a promise
Yall then: wow g5 luffys laughing? Ima ignore that it's a symptom of his fruit and act like he doesn't care about Stella. This is super disrespectful!!!
Yall now: wow luffys silently eating grapes and reflecting on his failure to keep Stella alive??? He's such a fraud why is he showing emotion? Good thing we have the man who chose to gag on leopard fur instead of helping here to straighten him out.
I think Oda was just going for a tough guy comment from Zoro to just get a sentence out of him and it’s not that deep… he was taking a sip from his drink and saying “get over it”, it’s a pretty much just a gag.
It was a combo of him failing a promise than just him dying and he took care of them.
Zoro was written out of character ever since the time skip happened. This is not him speaking but a caricature of him
Facts
this the same PH zoro and water 7 zoro. even zou zoro has the same mindset.
wrong
Tbh as a Sanji fan I'm happy the whole Fandom comming down on him.
talking out of your a ss bro. Zoro has said he doesnt wanna follow a weak captain since 1999 this isnt "out of character" at all, he expects more from luffy
Zoro is absolutely in the wrong. Luffy didn’t just lose Vegapunk the man, he failed his mission to saved him. Back in marineford, luffy didn’t just lose ace. He pulled up on impossible odds with the singular mission of saving ace alongside the entire whitebeard crew. He faced warlords, admirals, even the fleet admiral. He faced his own grandfather who was a prominent male and even father-like symbol in both his and ace’s life and punched him without hesitation just to save Ace. He nearly died and also almost succeeded, but failed. The tragedy is due not just to the loss of someone you love but the failure felt from having not succeeded in saved them even despite all the effort. The same happened with Vegapunk during egghead. Luffy’s protection over Vegapunk was an order given to sanji, and after hey escape they say they failed their mission to protect Vegapunk. It’s the same situation as with ace. Now obviously you can still play dumb and say “shank’s statement about it being ok to cry over ace’s death is related to a much more heartbreaking circumstance than just vegapunk dying.” And that’s true. Obviously luffy shouldn’t react the same way over vegapunk dying as wi the ace dying, …but he didn’t. With ace, luffy was completely traumatized. With vegapunk luffy was just really sad. Shank’s statement still applies to the situation just to a lesser extent than with ace because obviously luffy was closer with ace. Zoro was just being an asshole because unfortunately that’s how he is sometimes. He wants to uphold what he expects from his captain but sometimes he been wrong regarding his stances on certain points. That’s ok.
Now I shouldn’t have been surprised you agreed with Zoro here because I know you’re an infamous yonko glazer. Half of this video is dedicated to glazing the yonko as to try and bring credibility to Zoro using the yonko title to be an asshole. Your main point of the yonko being so dominant over the marines is that one stated from Garp. Unfortunately you never read it in a fair way. Garp says that the marines + the warlords are currently what’s equating the yonko. Now does this somehow mean that yonko > admirals like I’ve seen you try to say with this statement before? No. The admirals don’t have crews. The yonko have crews. How many times do you think kol has glazed the power of a yonko’s crew specifically. A lot, and that’s cuz the story itself does so too. Remember when Marco commented on how expectedly hard it is to stall kaido’s top two commanders? The admirals have vice admirals, but everyone including kol are overwhelmingly aware that the vice admirals are ass. Outside of Garp, none of them are relevant. If you put an equal admiral and yonko in a fight with their crew and vice admirals, the yonko would still win even if they themselves were equal to the admiral. The vice admirals are poo poo compared to yonko crews. And yeah the marines have armies of fodder marines, but yonko have entire fleets too. The warlords made up for the advantage yonko had by having strong crews. That’s really all it is. None of this means the yonko position means that individual is stronger than someone in the admiral position. Sure you can point to shanks who is the strongest yonko embarrassing Greenbull who is the weakest admiral. But kizaru in egghead stalemated luffy while barely paying attention to him and being mentally conflicted. Aokiji scales higher than big mom too. It just depends on the matchup. The positions themselves are more or less equal.
Also…this garp statement absolutely does not include the gorosei or Imu. Be fr. The marines are not the same as the world government. The world government has the marines to do their fighting for them. That does mean Imu is subject to the same losses that like fujitora would have. Saturn himself says it’s been forever since he’s touched the surface when he pulled up to egghead. They purposefully do not intervene directly unless you can’t Imu using the ancient weapon.
Zoro always tries to guide/advise Luffy.
He's drinking because he's upset too and we'll see that when it's animated
No he's not hes drinking cause hes an alcoholic he is CONSTANTLY drinking. This was awful writing ESPECIALLY for zoro
@@vinwick775 To me, his disregard for Vegapunk is pretty spot on for his character. However, I think the way he dragged the fight with Lucci for no real reason was bad writing.
@@vinwick775it really wasnt dude
The cope is crazy.
Imagine moving to the new world to avoid the government but now u gotta face the emporer's rule 💀
The bum that forced Jinbei to abandon the weakhats and made Atlas pull a chiatzu has no right to speak on mourning. The only reason things even got this bad was because he was to weak to handle two seraphim and had to free Kaku and Lucci.
Man shut up u dont know what u talking about
The hate on Zoro is crazy
Are you going to say the same thing about Luffy not being able to fight the seraphim, too, because he needed Rob help to fight one and still did not win.
Or are you just super biased.
Nobody defeated the seraphine besides the bubble gun.
The hate is crazy 🤣
Also wasn’t sanji there? Why do yall need zoro ain’t sanji just as strong as zoro 🤣
Yall don’t need no moss head sanji got this right 🤣
I mean sanji has only won 1 fight all post time skip and stalled everyone else he ever faced but sanji got this right 🤣
The Zoro haters are truly VILE 😂 “too weak to handle 2 seraphims” wow just wow
As a Luffy fan and him being my number one protagonist, I understand Zoro very well. This is nothing new Zoro held Luffy down when Ussop left. Zoro will always be cold and harsh it isn't that he doesn't care Zoro is shown to have emotions on many occasions. I believe he just knows the time and place for such things. He told Luffy to stop playing this is the new world when he was flopping battles and being caught off guard due to carelessness. Furthermore, Luffy is an idiot anyone who thinks he claimed to be genius is not watching the anime or reading the manga. Clearly, he stated on his own he is absolutely useless "I can't cook. I can't clean, can't draw a map I can't steer a ship. Without my crew I would die on the sea." Zoro knows who his captain is as all of them do all Zoro is doing here is simply his part Zoro always hits Luffy hard where it hurts because it's his job and he believes in him.
Man I agree with you, you convinced me and BTW. you are cool and funny though😂👍🏼
6:38 I think after seeing the WG's power without the holy knights I think we can agree that the World government let them rule the new world!
Zoro doesn't get the sadness that comes with not keeping a promise, because he promised "never to lose again" and broke it multiple times with no remorse lol
Keep in mind;
Luffy saw Pedro go all "explody" and there was no "mopey Luffy", he knew they had to push forward at the time.
Even after the events in Whole Cake, Luffy was just chilling with Sanjis food, even after spending time with Pedro
So for him to get all mopey over old man Vega who already had a target on his back from the WG...is a bit odd.
Luffy also didn’t promise to protect Pedro. They were on a mission where he knew people could die
@@belowaveragegamer95 Vegapunk told luffy that those guys were coming to kill him though. They were put in a dangerous position just by protecting Vega.
It's one thing to know someone has a red target on them to having someone sacrifice themselves out of the blue
@@mistersureshot1749 idk what you guys expect? For luffy to not care lol? That’s just not his character
@@mistersureshot1749 Yeah but Luffy never made a promise. The whole reason Luffy was down was cause he failed to keep his promise rather than the death itself. Luffy kinda don't have much of a problem with death itself imo.
@@belowaveragegamer95 Him keeping a "promise" is not much a deciding a factor on how much luffy should "care".
Cause on that notion, Luffy didn't care about Pedro then (except he did say his name later in Wano).
Luffy knew what was coming to Egghead
I think a lot of us are forgetting why we feel in love with one piece now that luffy is an Yanko. Luffy's whole thing is hes a pirates but isnt like they other pirates. He wants ultimate freedom. But his ultimate freedom doesnt mean stepping on others lives to achieve it. If anything hes ultimate freedom would be to liberate the entire world and have a party with them. Hes the exact opposite of blackbeard, blackbeard will do anything for his freedom. A world were blackbeard is at top. Being good is why Luffy' crew joined him. Its why he made several pirate alliance. Luffy does what he wants but what he wants is also happens to help a lot of people. I also think luffy understands the true value of people. Luffy isnt smart and he used to tell his crew all the time. He cant do everything thats why they are there. He need Nami for he navigation skill. A lot of the crew fills specific roles. And if they dont they are strong and courageous enough to face Yanko all by themselves and still achieve their missions. Luffys understands that and extends that same feelings to the random people he meets on the islands. I mean skypiea. Without the help of Cricket that adventure would have never happened he would have never seen the writing of Rodger. There are so many examples of this. For him to lose that little bit of humanity to him he would be just any other pirates.
So maybe he was crying for the old man. But he was doing it because he couldnt keep a promise. Egghead was a nice dude to luffy and the crew. All versions of egghead. We have to be real here too. Without Egghead luffy and crew would not have made it out of egghead island. There was a lot of close calls and people with powers we have never seen before. I personal dont think he was crying because the old man egghead died either, just he couldn't keep his promises. Just like i was saying before Luffy does good things but its more for his on personal desires. But I can understand zoro's statement.
I think grandline was able to explain it pretty well I think Kol misunderstood
Its not that deep. Zoro said what he said. get over it
@vazzed zoro said what he said, but the understanding of why luffy would feel this way is what we're talking about
@@vazzedZoro is a bum who was struggling with lucci. Get over it.
@@Fatatoad Luffy fucked around and found out. Always acting goofy 😜 . And these are the results he got⚰️
@@vazzedWhy is luffy suddenly acting goofy now considered a crime? He's been doing it the whole series
You can't compare Luffy to any other Yonkou. Luffy has an empathic connection with pretty much everyone he comes across. His line about, if he can't protect his crew, he can't protect anyone. He doesn't want to let anyone die again that's under his watch. Ace was too much!!
@@vazzed hence the depression. Nice try though.
@@vazzed the answer
ace died cos he was stupid and got emotional even though all they had to do was escape
@@fredrikb343 that's true but, Luffy still took it as a personal failure
This stupid WSC kaido was crying drunk shanks say okay to show emotion , BM got whole bunch of emotional issues , there is a reason why zoro not say this to luffy face.
It's okay for luffy to be moppy after he find out about VP a short while afterward about breaking his promise .
that was just for comedy relief during fight, Luffy should stand on business or else I don't see how he is going to face Blackbeard and you know how blackbeard is tricky, Zoro is right Luffy needs to man.
Luffy let VG die because he was fuking around in G5. Luffy she hate himself
My biggest problem with how people are understanding this scene is that they think Zoro is shaming Luffy's performance on Egghead. He isn't. He is saying that he should stop crying and get over it. What is done is done. Especially since Luffy technically didn't fail, because Lilith is alive. And also, unlike the other Strawhats Zoro probably had the fewest interactions with any of the Vegapunks so he wasn't as attached to them. Pair this with Zoro's more stoic nature and harsh attitude in tough situations this response isn't unusual. I honestly think a lot of the damage was caused by the leaks for this scene which were translated wrong and of course, people then jump to conclusions and make up their minds about the scene before it's properly translated.
The official translation isn't much better, also being attachment has never affected Luffy or Zoro on how they acted on each arc. It just feels weirdly out of character
I agree bro we can’t save every single cat it’s literally impossible we been winning so far we were bound to lose something with our win
don't forget Luffy does understand that people die let's not what he told Vivi.
He was talking about random people in a war, not a specific person he promised to protect.
they didnt know luffy made a promise to get vegapunk out alive but didnt deliver
Another casual 'Zoro not understanding Luffy as a person' moment.
Luffy is mostly crying because he failed to keep his promise, not because an "old geezer" he barely knows died. To Luffy that's similar to not being able to prove his resolve and will power and even puts his dream in to question.
To say Luffy is over reacting in any way, is like saying Zoro over reacted when he first lost to Mihawk.
Then again, what would Mr. "I will never lose again" know about keeping words lol.
‘I’ve preached the good word of the emperors’
-KoL
😂😂😂😂 ur too much bruhh
Zoro is an edgelord, so he can cry and show emotions when making an oath to his captain about becoming the strongest sword fighter but Luffy can't show remorse for thinking he wasn't good enough to save someone else? Which is one of Luffy's most important character traits, becoming strong enough to protect his nakama. Honestly that was a weird line coming from Zoro.
Zoro was always like this tho.
I think people misunderstood what zoro is saying. Luffy is childish and he never wants to let go of the fact that the world isn't all sun shine and rainbows. Luffy literally went through hell in marineford yet is crying like crazy because he couldn't save a old man? I dont think people understand that Luffy is being childish by sticking to his beliefs that as long as he has hope no one has to die but in reality it doesn't work that way because people are gonna die regardless yet Luffy in his mind doesn't want to accept that. That's truly why zoro is calling him pathetic because he understands the world for what it is.
Headcanon. Imu was horrified at the powerhouses he/she/it/they saw at god's valley so he/she/it/they decided to leave these powerhouses alone.
Imu probably never expected to see this much power. Thus since godvalley imu has been very weary of powerhouses like that, very careful when handling a powerhouse like that, because imu knows these powerhouses would whoop azz. Xebec, roger, garp, whitebeard, garling, sengoku, shiki, kaidou, Linlin, shanks, mehawk, luffy, blackbeard. Imu be putting some respeccc in their name. And yeah, if imu aint scared to pick a fight with you, you ain't a yonko tier power wise. So yeah, oden, dragon and akainu is getting ruled out.
Luffy was sad he didnt keep a promise
Lilith cheered him up because,while he still doesnt quite get it, her key words were "Dont be sad Luffy,you havs kept your promise to me"
What if Shanks kills BB and he is last boss for Luffy? Wouldn't that be better if Shanks was final opp, instead of BB?
Luffy made a promise to get him off the island. “I will never let anyone die again”
Big mom cried over a wedding cake and a broken picture for 15hrs and kiado was crying mid fight, so I'd say Luffy fits right in
If luffy is bummed about something, hes entitled to feel that way, emperor or not. hes the captain and the emperor so if he feels a way about the situation, he does. justified or not. now if zoro said he shouldnt feel that way cause xyz, then he'd have a greater argument, if one old man is he reason from the outside looking in it would seem valid, and given he spent majority of the arc fighting lucci, no wonder he doesnt understand.
first things first, the connections vegapunk has to a couple of them like robbin and franky, one more than the other and how luffys took promises in the past, if anything im surprised franky or robin didnt have anything more to say about it, and in my opinion wouldve been nice to see. regardless, he has a point if luffy want to maintain that visage of the standard emperor, and thats the problem I have with his mentality, luffy is by no means standard and can conduct himself as he feels, does that means hes 100% correct? hell no, but if youre gonna say somethings pathetic take a look at the picture as a whole and the hypocrisy that comes with that statement when he didnt experience the vast majority of when luffy went through to keep that one promise he though he failed to keep.
Their a passive group of pirates, I treat it the same as Yasu dying with Zoro and Sanji so close but he gets executed right in front of them, but it barely matters in terms of what they were responsible for.
We know Vega punk has back ups but the mission request was failed even if death that way was intended. Luffy was remorseful about that; from the way things occur on every island previously its all well ends well we ruined the opposition, lets party this time it was just the ordeal was hollow there were no songs to sing over this one.
Zoro is one to talk based on how he would not relent against Lucci he had to stubbornly have the win he desired over Lucci it could not happen, he was carried off by Jimbei. Zoro would stay to die than not win decisively, even if it was not necessary.
4:45 look who he’s got crossed out
The guy with greater sword skils than shanks who only uses ACOC crazy behaviour 😂😂😂😂
Luffy's whole thing is how he always keeps his word. He made a promise and failed to keep it when that intrinsically goes against who he is. I disagree there's nothing pathetic about that.
Luffy was crying BECAUSE OF THE FAIL PROMISE KOL !!!! You are way to smart to act this dumb. Luffy made a promise to Sentomaru to save old man punk in which he failed, so no Zoro is not right in this situation. And the argument could be made had Zoro handle his business with Lucci Gucci, than maybe the old man could have lived. But than we wouldn't have gotten the afterlife message to the world.
We know why Luffy is crying. Zoro is only stating that Luffy ,as a Yonko should be able to take this Loss on the Chin & as a Man. Luffy does have the right to be sad . But its pathetic to sit in those sad emotions when you're one of the worlds most wanted men. That's what I believe Zoro is getting at ! Harsh yes but true to ZORO's character
Yeah but if luffy failed to keep his promise
Then that mean Sanji failed Luffy
NAHHHHHHHHH THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH POST TIME SKIP ZORO ODA TOOK AWAY HIS HUMANITY N MADE HIM LIKE MIHAWK KNOCK OFF
So he said it like, "Hey, we have to keep up appearances. People in Your position shouldn't be crying around in public"
He's right in that regard, but out of all people he should know how important it is to keep your word to people.
One piece is great. exploring nuance and cater motivation
So what you are saying is sanji did in fact fail luffy by letting vegapunk die
@ghostsotelo5191 Well, vegapuck told Sanji to leave him and that he wanted to die. What right did Sanji have to not listen to vegapunk
If he would have kept vegapunk alive, then he would have failed luffy
@@olahisawsome robin told luffy to leave to her die
What right did luffy have to save her?
Also I didn’t know vegapunk was sanjis captain
Could have sworn luffy said “ save vegapunk”
Also wtf? How would saving vegapunk have meant sanji failed luffy 🤣🤣
@ghostsotelo5191 Luffy knew robin didn't want to die
Vegapunk didn't want to die, and luffy saw that so. He wasn't there when vegapunk decided to change his mind
Yeah, Sanji didn't have to listen to vegapunck
Also, kinda weird thing pushing the Sanji Failed luffy thing. The straw hats don't plase blame on anyone, so saying Sanji fail is weird
Also Also vegapunck lives any way with lilith
@@olahisawsome head canon going crazy🤣
when did I say the straw hats blamed him?
I said he failed luffy and that’s a fact 🤣
Luffy will never say it but that’s what happened
Sanji himself should be seeing this as a fail
Zoro is right but it’s hypocritical considering he was 🍑 in egghead LOL
The crew only knew vegapunk a couple of hours at most😭😭 ain't nothing to cry about Luffy. Come on now.
Bro was tripping fr
-Down D. Stairs
I just seen the title and started chuckling & smh 😂 yk we gotta see the KOL take
I see this as a sign that we are going to get real answers about when Zoro saw that Grim reaper, him getting a visit from death itself and it never being mentioned again at all since then is not just a one off.
I sometimes think Luffy and his behaviour isn't all his but as we know Zoan DF personalities also come through so what we see now we know that Luffy has the Nika Nika fruit is traits of this.
I think Zoro should not be excused for his harsh words, and I think gullibility is a bad thing. I agree that Luffy needs to work on dealing with character death and find growth.
I actually think this is in character for Zoro. This is the same guy who told everyone to shut up when they were crying over Vivi. Even said they should kidnap her if they’re gonna keep whining. He did the same when Usopp left the crew. Even after they rescued Robin and she thanked them, he told her to “save this stupid conversation for later.” People forget how much of a party pooper he is. The man’s a menace lmao
glad u picked up Jinbei may have been about to agree with Zoro in a lesser degree. didnt think anyone peeped
Jinbe and Zoro both saying he needs to man up now. I agree! Man up, this happen now. Luffy wanted this he cant be crying when he sees what comes with the title. You have to achieve things even if its not the way you wanted it too.
This is why Luffy was chosen by the Nika Fruit if it can choose. Because of his compassion for people when they ask for help. If there is someone who’s going to stop the WG, it HAS to be a group of people who are compassionate
Is it really evolution tough if you remain the same after all you have been trough?
Goodness. The reading comprehension of this fanbase is atrocious in these comments. Zoro is simply saying luffy shouldn’t be MOPING about someone’s death. Luffy can feel sad or defeated but as an emperor he shouldn’t SHOW IT or let it affect him THIS MUCH. Get it? He should’ve already recovered and continue to look forward. Because luffy is an emperor now and he has a new image as such to uphold. It’s the same thing with enies lobby where zoro reminded luffy that he’s a captain of a pirate crew FIRST and friend SECOND. Zoro’s job is to make sure his captain knows what’s up.
Zoro wasn’t MOPING over yasuie nor his friends death when he was a kid. He moved forward quickly. Plus even if that’s the case, zoro isn’t the emperor, luffy is. LUFFY needs to uphold a new image especially with how all prior emperors acted in public view. An emperor shouldn’t get depressed.
I don't think Luffy cares about the yonko title. Even being the pirate king is a stepping stone for his actual dream. A mere title won't define how he acts.
Lol, acting like Luffy gives a damn about appearances and being an emperor.
The way I see it, Luffy needs ambition, since not only does that fit his position as a Yonko, but ambition is literally what fuels Haki. If Luffy has the ambition to fill the shoes of a Yonko, to defend his territories and pick fights with those who challenge his position as a Yonko, it would only serve to make Luffy stronger. He needs stronger and more Haki to use gear 5 without becoming a prune after 5 minutes after all.
Which is sort of paradoxical, since Luffy is all about freedom, being unfettered by obligations and free to pursue his goals and dreams.
Thus far, what has fueled Luffy's growth is his ambition to do what he wants to do, no matter what that might be. Which aligns with his goals, whevever he archives his often selfish and impossible goals, he gets stronger, he is living up to his ambition, his Haki improves. This time, he did not archieve his goals, in Luffy's mind he lost as he could not do what he promised he would. However, Luffy did not know that Vegapunk did not intend to live, even though he asked Luffy to save him. Which is why Lilith telling them that he did not actually die is very important for luffy's growth, but only if luffy agrees that vegapunk's plan to die was a good one.
If there is one crew member who would know this about Luffy it would be Zoro, so him chastising Luffy might be related to Zoro believing that Luffy has to have more ambition than before as he is now that much closer to his goal and he cannot afford to break down over every small hurdle or setback. It is similar to what Luffy did to Vivi in the desert, chastising her for believing that she could do it all on her own without anyone dying. Zoro is saying that there is a price to pay, to climb to the top you cannot give up every time you stumble.
13:37 respectfully, Luffy doesn’t care about being a yanko lol he doesn’t care about having influence, or territory. He’s sad about an old man’s death mind u. The only ones around are his friends and loved ones sooooo…what exactly is pathetic about that? Who cares if Vegapunk “isn’t as important to global conflict” why the hell would that matter at all when mourning the loss of someone. Zoro’s point is dumb n honestly I don’t it was that serious fr, I think is a case of ppl hyper focusing on a throw away line
One piece fans when luffy is launching in gear 5 while vegapunk is dying: why isn't luffy taking things more seriously vegapunk is literally dying 😡
One piece fans after egghead while luffy is crying for not kepping his promise to vegapunk: I agree with zoro luffy needs to stop acting a baby 🤨
Actually the main reason Luffy is so distraught is that he made a promise and he thought he failed at it and someone died under his watch. If the same thing happened with Zorro making a promise to somebody and they die he will be in the same position. He's also being a little harsh considering what happened on Wano. It's not like it's been days it's been at best a couple of hours. Let the man grieve.
Y'all forgot that sentomaru asked Luffy to make sure vegapunk escaped. Luffy promised him he would do it and he failed.
Zoro shouldn't be saying anything because he couldn't even take out Rob Lucci while Luffy was doing everything. Even Sanji commented on why Zoro was taking so long.