Doctor REACTS to Catatonic Schizophrenia Footage from the 60s
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A video of me reacting to a video of a patient with catatonic schizophrenia.
He has marked psychomotor symptoms and some positive symptoms (e.g. paranoid delusions).
00:00 - Introduction
00:45 - Background of Schizophrenia and Catatonia
01:30 - Catatonia
03:00 - Video
14:40 - Summary and closing comments
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I am glad this man decided to end his life. As anybody with this torture called mental illness should. Hopefully euthanasia will be legalized very soon. But I doubt it so just like a lot of people I also will have to take the hard way out and feel pain before my suicide death. I'm strong about it and confident my method will work
You have a very poor understanding of human psychology. The way you assumed what he was saying was a delusion disgusts me and makes me think most psychologists think similarly to you.
How is he delusional for realizing that other people notice he sits stands and walks different? You YOURSELF noted that rigidity and lack of motion is notable in catatonic schizophrenics…
Looks like a gay crakhead
I found him quite smart in his responses
I think he is right... people may actually dislike him, because of his behaviour and how he speaks. I think he has a good understanding of what is going on around him...
Me too.
Without a personal history he can be taken out of context.
It’s important to note that this was done about the same time JFK was emptying horrific psychiatric hospitals.
I had a client who was basically tortured by his parents, father particularly, then institutionalized.
Current doctors said he was a victim of first his parents, then the system. They realized he was most likely a highly intelligent child with ADHD on the spectrum for autism, who was sent to a facility to save his wealthy parent’s embarrassment. {As with JFK’s sister.
I think this poor fellow was tortured emotionally by his father for presentation “feminine” characteristics.
“The way I sit and stand sometimes”
Many of the things he’s saying sound like he’s trying to explain that he doesn’t understand what it is about the way he sits, and stands and talks, etc that is upsetting, but he’s aware it is.
I think he’s telling an obfuscated version of the truth. He seems to me like a child or adult victim who’s been beaten into submission. Trying not to move or say the wrong thing, actually breaking out in a sweat with anxiety.
I think what we see is the result of years of conditioning, and I would for sure want to investigate his parents, not just read what They say about their son, but ask around the family.
Catalonia can be cause by abuse, especially over an extended period of time.
The role of deprivation, abuse, and trauma in pediatric catatonia without a clear medical cause:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22017207/
{I forgot to mention, I’m speaking without context. I don’t know anything about his family, or much other than the label for his psychological/medical condition.
We don’t have his history, nothing.
If we do, I’ve not found it.
@@emdiablo3804 Where did you find this information? I’ve been searching and it’s mostly people guessing. The best I can find is that he was in California. During that time, Ida Oswald at UC Berkeley had started a program of recording patients with the camera over the doctors’ shoulder like this. And all established examples have the same extreme glare on the person’s face. All videos were of real patients. Considering the time/location/camera work/lighting in her other examples, he was definitely a legit patient in this study.
@@emdiablo3804 It was my understanding that this was done at UCLA and that they utilized the resources of the film studies/theater department to make the film and acknowledged this in the initial title frame, but that the subject is a real patient.
@@emdiablo3804 this was a real guy and he ended up commiting suicide. The film was for educational purpose
As someone who has gone in and out of mental facilities my whole life, I empathize so heavily with him. I can feel his hesitation to giving what he considers the right answer that they want to hear. I just know he would have been someone I cared for and befriended in the unit even through his delusions. I often enjoyed chatting with people like this, as many people will not give them the time of day just to have genuine social interaction. I hope his spirit is resting peacefully now. He seemed so brave and intelligent.
You probably wouldn't befriend him because he wouldn't ever talk to you or be in a scenario to talk to you.
I have only been to one a stayed for a bit once and I’ve been in some phyc wards the first time I was in a catatonic state my senior year of high school it was bad when it first happend my mom and dad thought I was dead when they went to wake me up for school they didn’t really know what it was until I was taken to difrent doctors but I had bad hullocnations visually and auditory due to the scezoeffective disorder that I have but luckily I’m on the right meds now and it hasn’t happend to me again since the second time about three years ago. I wish I had somone who I can talk to about different mental health issues and my story. I find that kind of stuff interesting and I’ve felt with some of mental health issues
@@dyloak6450 do you just wake up every morning and decide “hmm what random comment am I gonna say something unnecessarily negative to today?”
@@MrUndertakercoco I know we’re strangers but im sending love and hugs to you ❤️ your mental health matters to me
@@litneyloxan That isn't negative. I feel the same way as you until I look at the reality of things. Realistically speaking you would not befriend him. If this is negative then on a positive note, you seem to be a kind person who wants others to be happy. I want you to be happy to. You seem very sensitive. Be aware of this especially towards romantic/loved ones. Take a moment to think what makes humans unique is our ability to act differently than how we feel. Re-center and approach the situation with love and a progressive mindset.
This man died in the 80's of an overdose and his life was pretty bad on the meds and even worse off according to a nephew of his. It's sad. He gives me Sheldon cooper vibes.
Can you share the link to where his nephew talks about him? Would like to reach out to him :)
@@DrSyl ruclips.net/video/IehtMYlOuIk/видео.html
@@DrSyl it's in the comments, someone says they seen it on a related website.
@Under pressure 27
I watched the Original before seeing this one... and commented about the similarities to Sheldon Cooper! I think it’s the exaggerated mouth inhale just before speaking and the posture
While I was watching this before I saw this video I was so thinking about Shelton It think it’s the look
Somehow a clinically diagnosed Schizophrenia comes off as more well mannered than 90% youtube audience.
Peter Evans
Common sense isn’t any way to come to the truth of something. Reality is not intuitive. This is why we have doctors and scientists. I really dislike your anti intellectualism and I think it’s dangerous.
What makes you think schizophrenic ppl cant be polite?
@@miri8851 that's why we don't get information from people like him.
@Peter Evans Take your meds.
@Peter Evans bla bla bla
I think he’s right in that he knows other people see his dysfunction and probably see him as being odd. There are always layers of truth behind our perceptions.
I agree with your first sentiment, he has probably been told by doctors (and possibly others) that his manner is unusual. But I don't know if I agree with the second statement--some people unfortunately suffer from delusions that have no basis in reality.
My theory is that he may have been bullied for his problems and interest in the piano.
He's reacting to the passive aggressive nature of social behavior in general. He's likely surrounded by average people who are pretty abrasive by nature. he seems extremely sensitive and articulate which is probably part of the problem He's way too aware of microaggressions and different things that are his triggers. Being catatonic is a condition he's arrived at based on some stimuli He's obviously very sick. Schizophrenia is defined as paranoid delusions caused by hallucinations both audio and visual. Somebody needs to just give him a fucking piano and a small room somewhere and let him just get to work
The feelings of persecution very likely stemmed from society looking at him as 'other' at the time. I do believe him when he fixates on the way that he 'sits' that's causing him grief, because to people who don't have schizophrenia, it looks unusual and we do give off micro-expressions to show it. Schizophrenics may have a skewed perception, but they are not unperceptive.
People fixate on people like this and cannot leave them alone. It’s normal and still goes on. When I was active duty I had a guy fixate on a ver minor deformity of another member. The deformity was, this guys left eye was slightly lower than his right eye. Only noticeable if you looked closely like during an inspection, even then you probably wouldn’t notice. Anywho, dude fixated, got 5 others to fixate, and created a ton of issues for leadership and the effected.
Thank you......
@@dearbrave4183 hm?
@@treescri3844 hahaha sorry I tagged you wrongly I was supposed to mention Alaska image
@@alaskaimage395 wow. That's terrible
Thank you for pointing out that this is a genetic disease. So many people think my Son's problems are ether due to abuse or because I ate the wrong foods while pregnant. A lot of stigma has been showered on my family. It's harmed many good people.
It was heart breaking to see your son this way. It was very educational for people who want to better understand what this terrible brain disease is about.
I suffer from Bipolar 1 and other brain disorders. I too have suffered from delusions that I honestly believed they were true until I found out they were not true. I also suffer from hearing voices and hallucinations. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 58 years old. Pretty late in life. It has taken 10 years working with doctors to find the right treatment plan. I no longer suffer many of the brain episodes. I have been pretty calm. The one thing that affected me so much is the rage that would come up. I would lose jobs, places to live, family members. That has calmed down because of medications. I take a cocktail of meds. I could benefit CBT therapy, but I can't find one that will work with me because of insurance. I do have it, but it's not enough. I know my triggers, and that helps a lot to know what I am in for and I steer clear of those triggers. The one thing that my father told me before he passed on is not to give up ever. I haven't and I kept my word. I have had the same job for going 12 years, the same partner for 18 years, I live in the same town for 18 years. I have almost all of my family member except one which have a huge issue with due to abuse at very young age. That one I don't think I will ever get over that in my lifetime. The point is that most of us suffer of some form of mental health, we may not know it. There is help out there you just have to keep finding it.
I would rate your son's welfare more important than your stigma.
@@Isisbridge the son's welfare is 100% affected by his family's stigma. That is, if people didn't think schizophrenia was so awful that someone needed to be "blamed", they might embrace both the family and the sufferer. I'm a family member of a schizophrenic girl who is not well-medicated (she needs an involuntary committment, which isn't likely to happen until it's far too late). She is a literal danger to herself and others, and when someone finally realizes that, they hardly offer "help" or understanding.
@@MelanCholy2001 The son's welfare is affected by his family. The stigma is THEIR problem.
You’re such a liar you messed up your child that’s why they get “schitzophrenic” bc you abuse them lololol and then we’ll just pretend like:
How much of his catatonic demeanor might be caused by medication. I was severely over medicated and misdiagnosed as a child and young adult. The lack of affect, sluggishness, delay in processing, are similar to symptoms produced by my medications. I know medications back then were even more debilitating. How much of his catatonic behavior could simply be caused by heavy medication?
They existed before the meds.
in that era, possibly what we know as heavy medication, might have been a heavy "procedure"
100% this. He could just be an awkward, apprehensive young man with a disappointed father who resents his career choice and mannerisms and would rather send him to be "fixed" rather than support him in his passions.
The DSM is a crock of shit and everyone should know it. The only psychologist to ever win a nobel prize was Daniel Khaneman and the reason he did was because he studied PSYCHOLOGISTS and not just their patients. His studies in the field of reflexivity are paramount to understanding confirmation bias... something that is clearly demonstrated here. Not only that but his findings of System 1 and System 2 are STILL misinterpreted by supposed doctors as the "irrational" and "rational" brain. I find the way Dr. Syl has perceived any of his ideas or perspectives to be "paranoid" or "delusional" to be not only toxic and ignorant but also a sociopathic symptom of the gaslighting and confirmation biases that go on when people like him have decided there is something "wrong" with a patient. I have half a mind to break down his mannerisms in this very video and do the same thing to him; diagnose him as a delusional sociopath using his own methodologies.
I think this young man understands his situation and indeed humanity better than the people interviewing him. People are cruel and judgemental, eager to pick out faults or abnormalities and persecute them. They want to punish or castigate people who are different. It is only psychologists who can delude themselves into thinking they are doing this all under the guise of "care"... Only a psychologist can imprison a man for 3 months with no crime and convince themselves it is for his own good. That is the real delusion if you ask me.
@@Deatheven86 when the medications pushed by billion dollar pharmaceutical industries to treat suicide and depression have suicide and depression listed as common side effects then you have to wonder whether the chicken or the egg came first. The only real way to tell is to stop taking it but the psychologist would never approve of that. He's already sure theres something wrong with you.
He has catatonic schizophrenia.
The one thing is during the time this man was interviewed, there were not very humane conditions in many mental hospitals. This very likely wasn't a paranoid delusion. It was likely a very real fear. He may have even been told, by his father, that if he acted out at this "nice" institution, then he would be placed in one of the many, in the US at the time, less friendly, or less humane, institutions. The father of my daughters was a paranoid schizophrenic with auditory hallucinations. He ended up committing suicide a few years ago. He tried to get help several times. Even with the diagnosis, he was turned away. Obviously there's more to that. It's involved.
I myself went to school for psychology, and have half my masters in abnormal psychology. I also believe his delayed response effect is actually delayed thought processing. One thing I don't agree with you on is the paranoid part of his position at the piano making people dislike him. His father apparently disliked the way he'd position himself at times. I would assume he was yelled at, ridiculed... or people blatantly showed their disgust or discomfort with him. This sticks out to him the most, and he also says he thinks he speaks and acts "normal", so the fact that he doesn't has been pointed out to him. He says the psychiatrist did not explain why he's there... again in the 1960s, they really may not have. He does say he does not lie. That could be true too... he really may not fully understand why he's there. It's terribly sad.
A family member of his tried saying he never even played piano before and that he was a pathological liar but she said on the right meds he was ok but they also have gay family members so if he was gay they would have accepted him ..
@@JanelsJointI would rather assume that someone made that up. If not, they surely provided a link to any prove or gave at least the name of the hospital, his name, whatever. There are a lot of people who are telling stories to give themselves some importance or just because.
Regardless of all this. You can't properly make assessments when someone is medicated and probably post ECT. The 60s was a time when people were constantly misdiagnosed -- they were basically guinea pigs
This makes more sense to me. How do we know that his diagnosis at the time was accurate? It seems he could be on the spectrum, and also he may have come from a very abusive home environment. Or was simply depressed or with psychotic depression. Nothing he is saying seems delusional to me. Maybe he was severely bullied by the way he played the piano -- or for even wanting to play the piano -- and same for his standing posture. As so many comments on his original video point out, he does appear to have conventional "gay" characteristics, which in the wrong household would be considered something to literally beat out of someone. Homosexuality was still illegal in the 60's!
What I am saying is why take the period diagnosis as accurate? There could be so many other issues at play here. He certainly does not appear catatonic, as described earlier in this video. And don't forget, he may have had shock treatment and may be heavily medicated with 60's era drugs. This could explain his slight delay in speaking, as well as possibly trauma-related hesitancy.
Would we still see him as catatonic if the original caption did not describe him that way? Or has that coloured the diagnosis?
i agree with you 100% also maybe "the way i sit at the piano" might just be a way to say something he doesn't have the words for: effeminate, fruity. he may have met discrimination for his appearance and never given the proper tools to understand. the doctor in the video is being a little bit dim "i don't know anyone would have a problem with you wanting to play the piano" come on guy, try to it from HIS point of view a bit.
Here is a statement released by the nephew of the patient in the video.
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"This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met."
Here is the link as well. boingboing.net/2018/09/17/1961-psychiatric-interview-wit.html
Thank you for that link.
Thank you for this. My heart went out to the young man. I'm sorry he didn't have a better life.
That link from the person claiming to be related to him wasn’t real, it was false
Everyone acting like this source is fake... you do know someone out there knows him and are related to him. Of course it could be fake, but could be very real as well. No one truly knows
@@ym6991 wheres your proof?
My best friend was a paranoid schizophrenic. He recently died and although it's a hefty bill to pay for the rest of us, he has peace now. I've seen this condition up close from him over the years and it's one painful existence at times.
My uncle passed away due to taking his life about 8 years ago. He had drug enduced schizophrenia. It was always there but one unidentified bad pill somebody gave him in a club set it off about 25 years ago when he was 20ish.
After the police investigation, they gave my nana a bag of his belongings with a letter he had written to her in it just before he did it.
It basically said that he knows the pain this action will cause, he's sorry for everything he did since he became ill. He just wanted the voices to stop, he wanted peace.
I was simultaneously heartbroken and, honestly, I felt relief for him.
It's such a damn shame he had to resort to this to get his peace.
May your friend rest easy and may his love live on inside you.
I'm truly sorry for your loss
Only the unholy would think of a bill that someone that has passed left. You demon
I don’t think he’s delusional in believing that people look at him differently as he had probably been alienated his entire life and here we are, decades later, still looking at him as something different and outside of normal.
@Peter Evans Well i mean there's a reason you are not working as a doctor in mental hospital,so it's ok to believe that,how ever it's completely not true,this person has Schizophrenia,and as someone who had to deal with his dad being Schizophrenic for last 15 years i think i qualify,think before you write something,search for some more videos with different patients etc.
Would you let him baby sit your kids??.
@Peter Evans Poor bastard,
@Peter Evans What if he was playing a game all along. Haha.
@@lmc1dj first, i don’t have kids and second, what exactly does that have to do with him being right about people looking at him differently? i’m not understanding the correlation.
I'm really enjoying your videos. I appreciate not only your ability to assess the patients apparent symptoms and behaviors, but also your empathy for them.
Absolutely love these videos! I love watching vintage mental health videos, they’re so fascinating and I really enjoy your insight and learning from it!
This video was fantastic, breaks down every piece of information that is required to understand (with no prior knowledge or understanding of mental illness/medical terminology) without going into unnecessary excessive detail, making it perfect for someone like me who happened to stumble upon this video and saw the title interesting without losing my concentration from over explaining. I hope this continues throughout the channel and will definitely watch more in future.
He's making the whole thing up about the piano. A relative came forward and said they have no idea what he's talking about. He's never played the piano before and doesn't own one
I saw this video some days ago, and I am glad to find your reaction video. You explain a lot about his condition and I now fully understand.
I'm going to love following this guy. I majored in psychology in college and found it extremely exciting. The DSM keeps changing and that makes it difficult but I look forward to watching more of these videos.
I was diagnosed with catatonia almost 2 years ago, stemming from anxiety, I really enjoy these types of videos as they help me understand it more, I wish people knew catatonia can come in many different forms.
I suffer from catatonic schizophrenia too and i still struggle with it nowadays and its harder to live when i got an entire fam of narcs abusing me 24/7
@@thecringeistoostrong ppl who don't like you smoking weed? Narcs?
This was delightful. Thanks for sharing this, Syl. Keep up the great content and interesting perspectives. Mental health illnesses has affected many of my close family members, therefore learning more about it and finding innovative approaches to treatment and wellness is a huge interest of mine. I'm looking forward to more of your content.
I had actually just watched this video before your video popped up in my recommended, and it makes it all the more interesting to see you pick it all apart and explain all these different things in a way that someone outside of the field can understand. It's really awesome. I also saw your video on the 18 year old French woman and found that very interesting as well. Thanks for these videos!
@Peter Evans that's because he has no "mental illness" ! He is literally possessed! This is why there is no cure, because the diagnosis is wrong, and the catholic church can't help either because all they'll do is probably molest the poor man.
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Thank you sir, I have watched this video at first as just the video itself, then with others commentary. Based on your said credentials I appreciate your input and is expanding my understanding of this topic. So fascinating. I really wish I had went into this profession as you have. The human psyche is an incredible adventure to explore.
Good stuff. Thank you for your insight Dr Syl! I saw this same catatonic schizophrenia video on youtube and somebody threw a link there to you your video here. Glad to find good content, thank you & take care
I really like your react videos! You communicate a lot of passion (sorry for my english, i'm Italian)
It would be great to see a react video about anxiety-depressive disorder, which is more or less what i soffer from (i'm also taking medication because of that).
Again, congrats!
Thank you for this comprehensive analysis of this patient's symptoms. I showed it to my science class - they were fascinated by it and you explain your observations really clearly and succinctly. Keep up the great work, your content is excellent for educational settings.
This is a great video -- thank you for making it!. To be fair (and not in any way to take away from anyone else's statements), I might be pretty negative and delusional too if I had lived in a mental hospital in the 1960s for three months. Mental hospitals in the 1950s and 1960s could be pretty brutal places -- especially if you ended up with someone like Donald Ewen Cameron overseeing treatment. I would love to have seen an earlier video to get a sense of how this poor guy behaved before coming to the hospital.
I love how well you explain everything. Short, simple, and to the point.
@@Deatheven86 Still nice
Thank you for sharing this interview. I also enjoyed your insight. Great explanation... looking forward to more :)
This man seems so sweet, breaks my heart.
Sweet? I'm sorry to tell you but being "sweet" nowadays in a society like this won't do much anything beside harm, both to the patient and his/her family. This is coming from a schizophrenic guy like me that I've been taking meds since my 20's, I can't imagine myself without meds and even medicated I show some symptoms, I've been already hospitalized 5 or 6 times one of them I was unconscient for a bit due to alcohol and pills overdose, it's sad that people with this illness are often "tagged" as odd and even "retards". Like 75% of the people will most likely bash and just laugh at us, for those that call us that, I would suggest to try a day as ourselves, and I'll bet 1000$ that your opinion will be radically changed after just one single day experiencing what we experience
@@Nelson_Ribeiro_aka_M.z.K. The fact that you are schizophrenic doesn't mean that this guy is schizophrenic. He never reported auditory or visual hallucinations. Why do you think he's schizophrenic? Because it says so in the video's title? That's not proof at all. Schizophrenic people need help but there's no proof he's schizophrenic
This is the first video of yours I have seen and do far I’m very impressed!!
I appreciate your insight and clarity and with someone who comes from a general nursing background and with only a modicum of mental health knowledge, I’ve so far learnt a lot!!
You most definitely have a new subscriber here!!
Thank you so much and I look forward to binge watching your previous videos and I look forward to your future ones!
Warmest wishes
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"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
Maybe he did that hal voice before he went catatonic lol
That, and dr. Sheldon Cooper
Look up talking toons with bender the guy does hals script bit as bender
Well, you're not really in charge, are you, Hal? No, wait . . .
I really enjoy these, I hope you do more!
Agreed!
I'm so pleased you reacted to this, coz I watched this a wee while ago and it was so sad to watch.
Dr. Syl, I came here after watching a video from the Living Well with Schizophrenia channel. Lauren lives with schizoaffective disorder and she made a reaction video to this as well. I think it might be really interesting for you to hear a patient's perspective on this. Check it out!
I’m really enjoying your videos! I remember watching this video a couple of years ago, and it’s fascinating to hear your analysis, especially regarding things that a layman like myself wouldn’t pick up in just by watching the original. Your insights are really interesting. I think you would do very well in podcasting too! Medical history is so interesting, but I haven’t found many podcasts focusing on it. If anybody knows any good ones, I’d appreciate some info :)
Thank you for making this video, it's interesting to learn about the thought process behind the doctor's questions, to see the evaluations that are going on just from watching or looking a patient, and to have his symptoms pointed out and explained. I had seen this video of this man before and this gave me a deeper view of his situation. Without his delusions it seems like it would have been worse for him though- he may not been able to imagine a future or purpose.
Which delusions were those?
tip: please pause the video whenever you say something, I wanna hear your insights. other than that great video and this whole channel is a great idea :-)
Forensic Psychologist here - finding this video really very interesting. Also feel very sad for the guy. I used to work earlier in my career in a secure hospital for people with paranoid schizophrenia. It was amazing some of the delusions that people afflicted with schizophrenia experience.
Dr Syl - new sub from the UK here. When I get time, I will be looking through you back catalogue.
These videos and explanations are very addictive thank you so much for doing them in addicted to the understanding of these things
I feel so sad for this poor guy.
same i recently found out he took his life in the 80s and he would just stand and stare at a wall not moving just changing face expressions
@@sorayawhetung8661 not true he’s actually in his 80s right now with a wife
@@vincentrodriguez947 😩
Thank God for creating people with the intelligence and compassion to help
I really enjoy these informative reaction videos! Very well done!
Just subscribed! Love the reaction videos. Keep them coming!
I think he is not paranoid , I believe him that his father dislikes him and has threatened him that if he doesn't stay they and start acting "normal" then he will put him somewhere worse. I see a lot of mannerisms similar to my son with Aspergers only I feel like this guy is choosing his words carefully causing his speech delay because he is afraid of saying the "wrong" thing as it likely has set his father off when he has given answers his father didn't like. It sounds like his career choice of being a pianist is a disappointment to his father and I feel like he is truly abused at least emotionally and is afraid. I am not a psychiatrist but I am an empath, whether you believe in that or not, and I feel hurt , fear and pain from this poor guy. I feel like he just feels defeated and that maybe he had some odd mannerisms , even somewhat feminine , and his career choices were not prestigious enough to gain his father's approval . How does the schizophrenic diagnosis come in? I never heard him mention hearing any voices or anything.. was that often misdiagnosed in the 60's ? I believe alot of mental or behavioral disorders were then misdiagnosed.
he never played piano EVER
Schizophrenia doesnt always need hallucinations, what he does display is delusional behaviour considering he had never played the piano in his life. The negative symptoms of the disease are far more debilitating than positive symptoms in most cases.
I have been catatonic when experiencing a psychosis brought on by my bipolar when I was 18. I don’t exactly know what happened other than I’d be still quiet and stair for hours out the window of the hospital unbothered by family. Thank goodness for medication yall take your meds :> if you have problems with it discuss it with your psychiatrist they are there to listen do not self medicate. Your brain is being regulated by these drugs and you are playing a dangerous game if you do. Don’t gamble with your health. If you don’t have your mind you have nothing.
Glad you got better. Keep up the good work.
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Underrated channel and youtuber. You have a new fan 🤩
Great insights! I enjoyed hearing your observations! Very interesting! I have subscribed! 👍🏻
Given the look he has and his posture I can understand that he would feel as though some people were looking at him strangely. He sort of stands out, perhaps he had occasioned dislike by some people and become more paranoid as a result and legitimately think it led him to the hospital. Now if this guy is on drugs right now I have no idea how much this would influence the ''delay response he had'' nor his ability to fully understand what happens in the hospital as well as to explain the overall situation that led him to the hospital, but I appreciate your information @Dr Syl
People will APPEAR to have "delayed responses" if they like to take three seconds to think before they respond. People who respond immediately and thoughtlessly are today portrayed as normal. That's not normal, it's stupid
Very interesting - enjoyed your video! I read in the comments on the original video that this guy lived a very difficult life and had a rough, tragic end. I hope he had some light along the way.
It’s not a delusion the feeling everyone is against you when you are mentally sick.
I was very abused as a child growing up, my psych said I have adhd and when I was acting strange said I was seeking attention.
One time I just slumped on the floor at school and was unresponsive.
All the classmates were super excited they caught me miss goody goody using drugs.
They were so excited reporting me.
I was taken to hospital tested for drugs and of course they found nothing.
The kids were very bummed.
My parents were just embarrassed by me and told me to suck it up whatever was happening.
I pleaded for an mri the psych said I was obsessed with diagnosing myself.
Years later as an adult found I had a large cyst on my brain and that I had epilepsy.
The worst bullies were other parents !!!!
The look of empathy on your face in this thumbnail has given me so much insight into myself. Thank you.
Feel so sad for him. One of his family members later said that he never actually played the piano and his standing and sitting different was in the same position for hours with no changes to anything around him. He later overdosed on his meds in the late 80's :(
I LOVE!!!! these videos!!! They just scare the crap out of me at night. I’ll be back in the morning lol
These are so awesome !! Thank you for producing them !! As the mother of a young man with schizophrenia, primarily manifesting with negative symptoms and cognitive impairment, i wonder if at some point you could do a video on how cognitive impairment shows up in mental Illness. ?
Thank you
Hi Dr. Syl, great video! Thanks for your insight and empathy for the patient! I have read somewhere that the patient was homosexual and was heavily medicated during this interview, so you might want to consider these two factors as well. It is truly sad to watch him and listen to what he is saying, and I believe he is trying really hard to be coherent and be likeable (or at least not bullied). Even though he has a fixed posture, you can see micro expressions of fear, disgust, contempt, even duping delight that speaks volumes of the inner turmoil he is experiencing while processing the question and giving the answer.
I really hope that he had gotten the help he needed, and got to live a happy life.
I really like this doctor and how empathetic alone with being analytical
This guy would institutionalize you while smiling. He got his degree by reading regurgitated information.
Like, two minutes after remarking about how unusual his affect is, you say that he's "delusional" because he thinks that people dislike him because of the way he sits and stands. It's not a delusion. His affect *would* make many normal people uncomfortable. He simply cannot grasp *why* it makes people uncomfortable. Maybe that seems like a minor distinction, but I don't think so. It's like the difference between not being able to solve for x in 1+x=7 and thinking that 2+2=5.
And it's *perfectly reasonable* for him to understand the dangers of losing what tiny amount of liberty he has in going to a facility with a "higher level of care." It is not persecution or paranoia.
Well said
Agreed
@@HiNinqi Thanks!
I completely agree
Didn't he say that the reason people don't like him is because of the way he sits at the piano? That's why he thinks people don't like him. That's totally delusional.
I like this video. You described the symptoms clearly, it was very useful for me as a medical student.
Very interesting video, thanks for the upload 👍🏻
You are super empathetic! How at the end, you put yourself in his skin, feeling his reality....nice :)
Bullshit! This dude described him as schizophrenic, grandiose, and as having a persecutory delusion, without a shred of evidence.
The patient was affected by medication judging by his slow responses. I have seen this in one of my relatives who suffered from schizophrenia. Actually, another thing I noticed about schizophrenics is that when they are not suffering from one of their episodes, they are some of the nicest people on the planet!
He's speaking slowly to confirm every answer with the diff voices in his mind before agreeing on the perfect response.
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The nephew comment is fake.
It is well established that the "patient" was actually an actor.
@@gianfranco_maldetto_92 Give this guy 10 Academy Awards then, because he deserves them. /s
The slide at the beginning of the original video says: "PSYCHIATRIC INTERVIEW SERIES - PATIENT no. 18 - Produced **for** the Department of Psychiatry, School of Medicine, **by** the Motion Picture Division, Theatre Arts Department, University of California, Los Angeles", emphasis mine.
This is a real interview between a psychiatrist and patient, filmed **by** the Theatre Arts Department, **for** the Department of Psychiatry, School of Medicine, UCLA, 1961.
"It is [not] well established" that this is an actor, but it **is** well established that you have a smooth brain.
**This** video series (30 parts) is an example of a doctor acting as a catatonic schizophrenic.
ruclips.net/video/8mvcg8lYbCU/видео.html&ab_channel=URMCDepartmentofPsychiatry
I just subscribed. This kind of thing absolutely fascinates me.
I find it interesting at 8:33 how he seems to get overwhelmed at the complexity of the questions and his eyes start really darting and rolling. He almost looks like there's a pain in his head
I get this impression from this fellow that it's incredibly loud inside his mind and communicating is exhausting.
"He almost looks like there's a pain in his head " no shit sherlock :)
@@ralphzoontjens ? :) Well, he wasn't there for headaches. Mental illness isn't the same thing as a headache. I was referring more to the pained expression in his eyes, which kind of reminded me of someone with a migraine coming on. 🤷
Not sure how I came across your channel but loved this analysis 👌 subbed!
Seems this "patient" is on point. He's held against his will because he's different, I have yet to hear he's done something harmful. He's very aware of retaliation by staff for what he might say. He's very aware his words will be used against him and that the deck is stacked against him. People, especially doctors, are taught what they are supposed to think of the "abnormal". This patient is on the money, he is locked up because he is different. He is slow to respond because he is thinking thru his answer before he says it, and thinking thru what will happen or be said in response to his answer. I wish I could have met this man, I think I understand him completely.
DING DING DING, we have a winner.
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He resembles a young man that I know IRL diagnosed schizoaffective with many other conditions. It is so very sad to witness and at times can be extremely scary. Thank you for walking through part of the original video and explaining.
I enjoy your videos as I like to get insight into my illness as well as others. I feel for him. He has no idea what is going on.
This was heart breaking. To know you are different, not well recieved and judged by others, in which you have no control or power to change the thing others expect to be changed. I felt his discomfort. I also had the sense he was abused. Yes...may he rest in peace.
I always imagined that "the piano" was a metaphor for his physical body or the brain or something...
It's not a metaphor. This man is being driven insane from "supportive" people around him refusing to take his words at face value.
He clearly understands the reality of his situations and surroundings. This is sad that he realizes that others don't like him and does understand that people react accordingly such as persecuting him.
It is sad. I like hearing your information. Thanks !
Nice to know there are people like you that care enough to actually learn all about these conditions. Thanks & God bless you brother.
Watched this interview before & seems like he was maybe just shunned by his family/friends & seemed like he was just gay.. Maybe his dad was the real problem & it ruined his life, hopefully he got better & got some support & confidence to make it out in the world. The 60's would of been tuff being a homosexual I'm sure, I know growing up in the 70's & 80's it was definitely ruthless on them. So sad him saying people would want him in an ever worse place..
Men will sometimes seem gay after their father abuses them, because they were trained to be submissive like women. He says his father doesn't like him, yet the creator of this video brushes it off as a delusion despite knowing nothing about his father or their relationship.
I'm pretty sure he was persecuted when growing up.
For sure What kind of father puts his son in a mental hospital for three months,I bet if he would have gotten him a piano and some lessons it would have helped
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@@ThankyouJesus81 He was worse without the help its been documented
@@ThankyouJesus81 people jump to these conclusions, why?
As it happens a relative of the guy commented on the original video explaining how bad his condition really was.
When he says he sits or stands differently it's because he would sit or stand there motionless for hours at a time.
He couldn't even play the piano, he got obsessed with different things every now and then including Catholicism, pianos etc. Interesting comment, the guy goes into way more detail in the other video replying to a comment left there
Ya think?
this clip of this poor soul was filmed about 20 miles from where i live and have lived most of my life (ucla campus filming faclities early 60's). i actually managed to get in touch with one of his relatives he was schizophrenic along with other issues and totally dependent on medications just to function even at low levels (he's heavily medicated here). in the early 90's he committed suicide.
Lol
What was his name?
@@nick_leitch how is that funny
I have a passion for watching these sort of videos. I find then interesting and enjoyable - giving insight to others lives back then.
Back have you guys realise how, when he isn't speaking, how head stays still but his eyes move rapidly, almost like he's analyzing the environment
I, too, would've chosen to attempt to befriend him. He's so straightforward and honest. That's a rarity among the "normals" for lack of a better word.
poor guy just wants to play piano while sitting strangely and sometimes standing differently. give him a break.
Spoken like a true Scotsman.
i needed this
The best thing they could have done for him was get a piano teacher to come and visit the hospital for 1 hour a day... that way he would have got SOME joy in his life.
Well done Sir.
@@lukem118 I agree, if that is what he truly or consistently wanted.
Crushes my heart.
This guy was not necessarily paranoid or delusional (IMO) when talking about worse places.
We all know how many psychiatric hospitals were. He may have been to others that were, in fact, worse. Or he may have been TOLD the alternatives were worse.
So sad. Nothing can possibly be worse than your own mind betraying you.
Thank you for explaining so nicely
Great insight. Thank you Doc.
Thank you for this! I have seen the original video a while back and it was disheartening. Your insight to it made it more understandable. More this kind of content please 🙏🏻 Just a little tuning in editing would be great, when it comes to speaking on top of the original video’s speech. It is hard to understand neither 🤗
He has such gorgeous skin, and his lips..wow!
@Michael Well, to be frank - many men were persecuted between the 1950s to 1990s for being too "pretty". He isn't masculine, he's gentle. His father probably bullied him mercilessly and kept changing the reasons. He is good looking but not in a traditional way. He would have been accepted more if he had been born in 1995.
Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos acerca de la actualidad de esta enfermedad mental.
Thank you. You are a real doctor and not a celebrity talking head.
There is another video of this interview that is about a minute longer. The doc says that time is up and thanks the patient. The patient looks to the left, looks back at the doc and asks if it is over. Then he looks to his left again as he starts to stand up, placing his hands on the arms of the chair. The doc suggests he wait a few minutes, so he sits back in the chair. I think his stiffness during the interview was his means of cooperating.
I don't think he received his diagnosis strictly based on this interview. I think his family and psychiatrist have observed him in either a catatonic stupor or expressing motor rigidity lasting hours, if not days, at a time. They don't dislike or hate him, but are no doubt alarmed and concerned. Institutionalizing him may be a way to observe his progress on medication. If this was explained to him previously, he might not have been in a state to process this mentally. He seems to know he stands differently on occasion, but finds it too complicated to explain. What goes through his mind when he is in a catatonic state? Does he actually think he is at or near a piano, or is the piano an obsession he uses to explain away something he doesn't understand? He actually contradicts himself in regards to receiving instruction, so I doubt he was ever near an actual piano.
What we are observing may be the best he will be with the help of medication. He is still delusional, though. Heartbreaking!
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I don't think by evaluation and diagnosis at the beginning they meant that this was how he was diagnosed. I think this patient was diagnosed and this interview was strictly to elicit the symptoms used to diagnose. If he was in the hospital for 3 months with catatonic schizophrenia, he would have been far into treatment at this point so many of the symptoms would be expected to be much more subtle.
I would love have given him a hug so sad😭x
That's exactly what I wanted to do too.
@@chocolatecosmos1424 I realize that and it makes it more heartbreaking😭
@Phill Dodd (HistoriaAntiqua.ORG) You have some serious issues. Comparing a compassionate hug to what I think your getting at is completely irresponsible and repulsive. The human touch is a very powerful thing to those in need; like the dying, the scared, the confused, the hurt. Perhaps you should do some research on the subject before spouting off negative machoistic rhetoric.
Gained a subscriber :) enjoying learning about all this stuff, excellent video
Great insight. So interesting
My heart breaks for him.
It should have been noted that the “Patient” is actually an actor. The original video even noted that it is a student and that the Theater Department of the University made the video for the Med School. I have done several of these myself. Today we are called Standardized Patients. We follow scripts and help to train and test med school students.
Bumped into the original video years ago and watch it every so often just to remember this chap
Dr, thank you for the insight, but more above, your empathy for him.
I'm autistic and i spent barely a week in a mental hospital when i was 19 (i'm 31 now) and i came to dislike doctors. But people like my current psychiatrist and you make good to mental health profession - greetings from Argentina 💖
Another video on bpd would be great! Or complex trauma or did :) you can tell you're very empathetic, thank you for sharing your content
Thanks so much Sophie I’ll add it to my list
@@DrSyl Did this patient have childhood trauma near a piano - possible sexual abuse?
Don't give him such ideas! I don't believe this BPD is anything other than deeply pathologised trauma responses/PTSD but, psychiatrists have a well documented HATRED of "BPD" as does everyone else. If he does a video on that as a topic, it certainly won't do any poor sod with such a diagnosis any good at all given the type of stigma the PD's generate.
What about a critique of the interviewer.
Is he asking good questions in a good manner?
Thank you dr. Ive learned quite a few things that bothered me regarding my 34y old disabled daughter.
Great effort on the video and communicating the ideas you are still learning! Keep working on your videos and learning the material. Probably want to be a little more solid on the topics before filming the next one. Less factual errors and better pacing will make the videos much better.
He feels like an extremely calm Sheldon Cooper to me
So, I'm getting this super strong feeling that Jim Parsons used this person for the basis for his Sheldon Cooper character... Not exactly that he was making fun but I wonder if at some point a director or producer or someone showed him this video and said "be this"
This video has always been very interesting to me. There is a similar one with a woman being interviewed. Would love to see that one reviewed
I read his nephew's post about his life, it's tragic. What would the treatment options have been back then, and how are they now? Has there been much progress?
Where can I find it?
probably psychiatry is the medical field that's least developed because it is just extremely complex and there are no universal cures (or remedies) for anything yet because every patient responds different to meds and therapy
there are drugs where the doctors are just like: we have no idea why it works, but it does (for some people)
I'm no expert but my impression from what I experienced and learned is that the main difference in treatment is that they are trying to do as much as possible with therapy, and less with drugs whenever they can
also you aren't forced to take drugs if you're not dangerous to others and/or yourself (is probably the main criteria but there are likely others)
*edit talking about german psychiatry, certainly there are differences in different places
Speaking purely anecdotally I can say that I know there are some forms of medication out there that seem to work to some degree because I have heard more than one story in my life about someone having a psychotic episode or break after going off their meds. The issue is that a lot of people do not feel themselves when they are heavily medicated, so they get the desire to stop taking them.
60 years ago the meds used in treating schizophrenia were elementary and produced some debilitating side effects. Since then, "second generation " antipsychotic meds have been intensively developed and undergone global clinical trials, many showing life changing results. As with many illnesses though, a patient often has to try several different meds before arriving at an acceptable level of efficacy and reduced side effects.
The original video of this patient interview is a classic example of clinical interviews led by physicians in assessing the patient's symptoms, exploring a diagnosis, and developing a treatment plan. Drugs are only one component of a treatment plan.
Some viewers may have felt that the interviewer's manner and questions were redundant, perhaps even unkind, but clinically the interview was standard practice, and is used universally in clinical research.
Dr Sil's review comments illustrate the type of discussion that takes place amongst practitioners when they are training to conduct a clinical trial. They share impressions with their colleagues at different research sites, so that they are all in sync on how to rate severity of symptoms.
Some viewers may question the ethics of posting such a video for public consumption. It's purely educational in my view, and hopefully informational in terms of instilling empathy and compassion for mental health sufferers.
Where did you see his nephews post?