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Preconditioning Tesla Model Y Battery makes a HUGE Difference
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- In this latest Tesla Model Y cold weather efficiency video, I test the Model Y LR at a temperature of -8°C (17°F) WITH BATTERY PRECONDITIONING. Preconditioning your Model Y battery, and with the heat pump, results in a range loss of just 19% on a 50km (31 mile) real-world range test. This is extraordinary at these cold temperatures. The combination of heat pump and Tesla octovalve is unmatched for cold weather EV performance.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro/setup
1:20 How to precondition
2:57 Test details
3:57 Test and commentary
6:08 The results/compare
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Thanks for taking the time to do these test, I know you enjoy driving your car and making video's , but it is still your time
Thank you so much crooklin for your kind comment! I do enjoy my hobby! Cheers
Wow ! Amazingly quick since I just mentioned it yesterday. I definitely got my answer for cold climate.
Can you do another video on cold climate supercharging with and without conditioning the battery ... thanks for all your hard work .
Hi, Robin, my pleasure! Yes, I will get to your other ideas too! As soon as I can. Maybe not as quick as this one. 🤔
wouldnt the car jusr start conditioning the battery when you first get in it if you didnt do 20 mins beforehand? and once the battery is up to temp things will just end up the same?
Watching that energy graph in fast motion was pretty satisfying lol
Lol, I agree! Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment! Much appreciated. 😀😀
Hey Tesla Canuck. I'm getting my new model Y next week! I used your referral code for it. Thanks for the videos
Awesome! Thank you so much! Welcome to the Tesla family. 😀
As a likely future Tesla Model 3 owner in Wisconsin, where it is typically -11°C to -3°C in January and February, I much appreciate your winter driving series. I am already convinced that a Model 3 with a heat pump (2021 or later) is the only way to go!
Glad you found it helpful! 😀
Southern wi.
I finally ordered my MY LR a few weeks back. Now I am waiting until March/April timeframe for delivery. I can't wait, and it's thanks to guys like you who make all of this Tesla content. Especially for those of us who deal with cold weather/snow etc. Thanks for taking the time to do these tests and video them for the rest of us.
Thank you so much, Brent for your kind words!!😀 You made my day!
...and welcome to the Tesla family.😀
Finally found a channel that is relevant to Canadian weather and not California! Thank you for taking the time and effort to make the videos.
I'm picking up my Model Y TODAY! I really appreciate your videos because I'm in SE Michigan and it's cold!! Thankfully I will be keeping my car in an attached garage.
Congratulations!!! So exciting! Welcome to the Tesla family. 😎
Ur videos are awesome for us who livee in cold winter Canada!
Thank you so much!!
Great video very informative! I think an interesting and helpful test would be to precondition the battery initially but then take several smaller trips (i.e. 3-5 instead of one long 50km trip as shown in the video) of varying lengths throughout the day which would total around 30-50km to see what kind of efficiency loss you experience? Only pre-condition the battery once before your initial trip and then leave the car unplugged for the remainder of the trips. I think that would be a really good real world test for most people.
That would make a great test! I’ve put that on my (growing) list. I very much appreciate the video ideas! Keep them coming.
4:20 Judging by all of the cars that are passing you, that 10km over rule seems to be "flexible". Cheers, and thanks for this informative video.
💯...speed limit is 100 km/h but average speed seems to be well north of 110.
I'm loving your videos and edits and sincerity and authenticity. Cool Guy Tesla Canuck!
Thank you so much!! You made my day. 🙂
I know this area. Was looking up video on preconditioning the model y, just picked it up yesterday. I live in the same township :) thank u for the video
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! Always great to hear from my fellow locals. 😀
I unplug before pre-conditioning, that way I only use the low cost power at night. Works good for city driving with no range issues. I would leave plugged in when I need the extra range.
That makes a lot sense for sure assuming your don’t need the range. 😎👍
I live in the same area, also waiting on my Y delivery
From what I understand, Y and 3 do not have a battery heater like S and X. You're basically just preheating the cabin . The only way to preheat, from what I understand, is to set it for Supercharger location on navigation and it'll precondition battery. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hi, Fat Broads, turning on climate in the app will indeed precondition the battery for Model Y and Model 3. Here is a snippet from tesla.com winter driving tips:
"Precondition Using the Tesla App
You can pre-heat your car by activating preconditioning or defrost in the Tesla app. This will save significant energy on the road to be plugged in while preconditioning.
Precondition: Open the Tesla app and tap 'Climate' > 'Turn On.'"
Model Ys and 2021 Model 3s have a heat pump. Also, heat can be generated using the electric motors through non-motive power.
forums.tesla.com/discussion/170664/battery-heating-explained
www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/winter-driving-tips
I hope this helps to clarify. Cheers.
I dunno , but others have said the excess waste heat from batteries and motors is used to precondition for supercharging and that simply turning ON heat or defrost only heats the cabin while plugged in and does not " precondition" the battery simply by turning on cabin heat. Of course, the benefit of preheating while plugged in is to save battery charge while heating cabin, but does nothing for battery. There's no definitive answer like there is for X and S. I think Bjorn tested this on his apps and it did nothing to preheat battery.
Tesla Canuck if you read what you sent carefully, that means to preheat the cabin, not the batteries. That saves energy while plugged into grid. It does not heat batteries like S and X. Waste heat from motors and batteries can be used later to precondition battery pack once car is actually running and while driving to supercharger. You can't heat the battery off the grid just by activating defrost , cabin heat or seat heat. Only the S and X can do that.
They way I know that you can 100% is that without preconditioning you'd have zero regen because of a stone cold battery. When plugged in and preconditioning the battery in a 3 or Y, after just 20 minutes, your battery has warmed up enough that you have some regen. Also, there is gauge that shows a dotted line when the battery is cold. After preconditioning while plugged in you get a 1/4 of the gauge or so back as regen after 20 minutes or so. I've owned a 2017 Model X, a 2018 Model 3, and 2 Ys. All I can tell you is my experience. Cheers.
Tesla Canuck that's just a software trick to increase regen when battery is cold. Until the update, regen braking was indeed limited. After update , it would brake harder under regen. Has nothing to do with heating the battery, but a software revision. Where's this gauge? On TeslaFi or ScanMyTesla? If you're talking regen gauge, that's not battery temp. I've had two S and both could be battery preconditioned. Not the 3 and Y. You're only heating the cabin.
IMHO, the heat pump and octavalve certainly help, but the big gains for ANY Tesla in cold weather is the preconditioning. Tesla's own manual recommends it and explains that pre-heating off the wall connector will increase range because you're not using battery power to " heat" the battery. Go to Climate>Turn Climate ON>Seat heaters ON>Defrost ON ( if needed). I doubt that the heat pump is only reducing range by 19 and a standard non heat pump car is losing 40%. It's the preheating that give the biggest gains on either car. Bjorne recent test was inaccurate because the 2021 car has a larger battery than the 19-20 Model 3.
Hello from Thunder Bay friend, these are very cool experiments !!!
Thank you so much! 😀
Very useful information, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
How long will it preheat the battery when you turn on climate control. I find it gets to the set cabin temp very quickly 5-10 minutes. I often hop in the car on an errand so I find that setting the destination to a nearby Supercharger will warm the battery pretty quickly. Do you know if “preconditioning the battery for supercharging” is any faster than setting climate control? Also, can I set Charging to a nearby SC on the app and have it do the same thing while plugged in (before I leave)?
Thanks for this video! It looks like doing preconditioning is the way to go, I imagine the energy benefit increases as the temperature goes down... like to compare once it gets really down to -20C, to see how the benefit plays out - if at all.
Thanks for the dedication to the topic and posting. It’s appreciated!
I'm looking forward to finding out! I'm sure a -20⁰C and -30⁰ video will happen soon. 😎
With pre-conditioning you will see an improvement, on a cold car you won’t, the reason being is that the Heat-pump becomes increasingly more inefficient below about -8 C and colder and the heat actually comes from a resistance element just like before. It’s basic Physics on how a heat pump “makes” heat😉
Do you use manual preconditioning or planned departure?
Planned departure has the advantage that the battery will receive the bulk of the heating by charging, not by running a heater. So your energy bill is lower.
Great advice Ruben. Because of Covid, I have not commuted in almost a year. So I mostly manually precondition now, since I never really know when I need to go out.
6:09 my favorite vacant lot on RUclips :)
It’s very cool 🔥👍🏼
Loving your efficiency tests, would love to see stone cold battery with test with only the seat warmer on full and no cabin heat. Hope that is of interest for your channel.
Good idea. I'd be concerned about the interior fogging up though. Perhaps climate control on manual and fan speed at 1 is an option. 🤔
Related: Have you driven a Chevy Bolt? I'd be interested to hear a Tesla owner's take on it. It's about half the price of the Tesla and is likely the #2 best electric car in the mass market.
Plus you can work on it yourself, right to repair is important.
Unrelated: Meters and grams are easier than feet and ounces, but Celsius is just plain weird.
If you often have to talk about negative numbers, if 26C is comfortable and 28C is hot how useful is it?
Fahrenheit is nice and granular, it does occasionally get below zero around here and in other places, but it's far rarer than with Celsius.
I've sat in one in the showroom, but I've never had a chance to drive one. I'd definitely be curious to take one out for a spin.
Degrees Celsius Water starts to freeze at 0c and water starts to boil at 100c.We test drove a Bolt in spring 2019(I knew more about the Bolt than the sales people) Choppy ride and uncomfortable seats is what we didn't like about the Bolt. We ended up buying a Tesla Model 3 SR+(Tesla has reps like Best Buy they are payed a salary not commission like a car sales person) Tesla rep was very knowledgeable and very friendly answering all our questions(No pressure) With Tesla you order your car online just like Amazon(Low stress) Just like computers the new Model 3 has been improved and is $5k cheaper to buy than what we payed.The only thing we have done to our Tesla is swap tires from summer/winter,Car washes,Add Windshield washer fluid.
Amazing test, I’ll pass it on the fam, I know when we went to test drive a model Y the guy at the showroom said that you sometimes lose 50% of your battery in our cold weather, but it sounds like that could be a thing of the past.
A question for you: do you think autopilot/FSD will ever get to a point where it can drive on slush and black ice, general crappy winter conditions you get in the Rocky Mountains? I’m curious, I think it can do well in snow, but a lot of these conditions aren’t by what you “see” but more by what you feel underneath you. Especially since a lot of the roads in BC are so poorly maintained.
Cheers! I am loving the cold weather videos!
Thank you so much! Prior to the heat pump and Octovalve technology, 50% range loss at colder than -10⁰C sounds about right. With the newer technology, I really think extreme range loss in super cold conditions is a thing of the past. I think FSD will get there eventually, but I speculate that it will be a three season feature for 5-7 years out. I hope I'm wrong. Cheers.
Is there a way, while you are driving, and your cabin has been warm for your drive, to NOW start preconditioning for charging IF you are not going to a supercharger.....like you need to go to a random fast charger?. How to start the preconditioning to help the charging when you get to the non-supercharger.
Thank you. What would be your 100% efficiency as référence ? Summer driving ?
In the summer in usually 10% better than rated range, at a minimum. Rated for Model Y is 168 Wh/km, so I figure I'll be around 150 Wh/km in the summer. In around 580 km of range vs. rated of 528 km. Hope this helps. Cheers.
On the day you didn't pre-condition how many miles of driving did it take to warm up the battery? What are you talking about when you are citing efficiency e.g. 72%, 81%?
So turn on the climate control for 20 min? 30 min? High cabin temp or low cabin temp?
It depends on how cold it is. In extreme cold, I'd say a least a half hour. I usually set the temp to 21⁰C (70⁰F) when preheating.
Let me see if I get this straight.... So previous video with a cold battery in -12. Your car used 234wh/km. So in total 51x234 = 11,9kWh. In this video, with warm battery you used 208wh/km so in total 10,6kWh. But you also used energi for the precondition (however, 2kW for 20 min = 700w seems a bit on the low side. But Okay, 0,7kWh. So in total 11,3kWh?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
This sounds about right. I was in the car while it was preconditioning and on the charge screen it showed the power draw from the circuit at 2kW. I know it sounds low, and is compared to the Model 3 I traded in.
How much energy is used in pre conditioning vs the energy saved during the drive. Is the lemon worth the squeeze?
Yes, rough math is that I used 750 Wh/hr of energy to precondition and saved 1500 Wh/hr of energy vs. the cold battery test!! So net savings of 750 Wh/hr.
@@ElectricCanuck Nice!!
Do you precondition by setting a local supercharger as a destination in the nav before leaving and then cancel as you set off?
@@ElectricCanuck How do you know how much energy you used during precondition? Do you see this in the car or through a separate app?
I was sitting in the car setting up my camera while the car was preconditioning and it showed me in the charging screen how much energy it was drawing, 2 kW. Since I know I preconditioned for about 20 minutes or so, I just did 1/3rd of 2 kW, which is 660 watts, then rounded to 750 watts to be on the safe side. Math isn't my strong suit, so open to an alternative view.
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks!
wouldnt the car jusr start conditioning the battery when you first get in it if you didnt do 20 mins beforehand? and once the battery is up to temp things will just end up the same?
Glad I don't live in cold climate. Cool video
Thanks Duke! I can't wait to travel somewhere warm, but in the meantime, I will have some fun making cold weather videos!
It can definitely suck at times. But on the plus side you can always leave the igloo and take the sled dogs for a run. :D
I own M3 LR, what shall I do to use home charger to precondition battery instead using battery?
Make sure your car is plugged in and turn on the climate control from the app. That’s the easiest way.
Thx Canuck. Questions... How long do you usually pre-heat the car for (from the app. when 🥶 cold)? How long do you precondition the car before charging? Winter ❄️ vs summer preconditioning, is there a difference how long you should precondition prior to charging? Thx again for the videos.
Hi, Gusto, I usually preheat for 20 minutes...just enough to get some regen and warm the cabin. With regard to preconditioning for supercharging, by selecting a supercharger destination, I just let the car do its thing and manage that for me. Let me know if I misunderstood your question?
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks. Just curious as there’s so many different opinions in regards to pre-heating the battery while parked (time frame 10-30 mis) in cold weather. Of course we all try to follow Tesla’s recommendations / manual, but with the heat pump, I feel like these numbers have changed in terms of pre-heating the vehicle prior to departing and while heading to a supercharger for preconditioning. In short, I was referring to both pre- heating time frame & preconditioning the battery when heading to a supercharger.
Wondering why is your speedometer on KPH and not MPH? Thanks had no idea regen doesn’t work in cold climates w/o preconditioning the battery. What is the temperature threshold for regen to work w/o preconditioning? Would be Interested in the physics behind it. Also you mentioned plugging in the outlet to precondition your battery. I assume you can do that w/o plugging in and just use the car’s battery? Thanks for clarifying it if you can.
Hi, Robert, we use the metric system in Canada, hence why I use KPH. I have found from experience that starting around -5°C, you will have no regen without preheating. Yes, you can preheat w/o plugging in. I do this all the time. Here is a wiki article about regenerative braking. I am not an engineer so, this article will be better than me trying to explain it. :-) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_brake#:~:text=Regenerative%20braking%20is%20an%20energy,immediately%20or%20stored%20until%20needed.
Thanks for video! Can you please describe where to your radar detector is connected? Is it around A-pillar? More info or DIY will be appreciated.
Hi, Sergey, that's not a radar detector on my dash, it is a transponder for a toll highway. Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck ha-ha, sorry and thanks! Cheers from Sweden)
No worries, it looks like a radar detector for sure. 👍
I drive a Tesla mode y long range in the GTA as well. Is it normal that I get 380km on 80% charged battery?
Yes, that's about what I get too. The estimate algorithm takes into account your history and other factors when calculating range at any given state of charge.
At least it’s not as bad as a Rotary Engine lol You have to precondition for about 10 minutes before and AFTER you use the vehicle. Still by far one of the best engines to push before I am switching to EV lol
I have super fond memories of my 2 RX-7s. The Wankle combustion engine could have been huge with more investment. Makes way more sense then pistons, in my opinion. I really enjoyed winding out the rotary engine. Good times, good times. 👍
@@ElectricCanuck , always hated waiting but you have to love redlining it ! Nice channel and keep posting m8! :)
Thank you very much for the great video. I learned a lot. You mentioned there are 3 ways to precondition a battery: schedule departure, climate control, & defrost. Could there be a 4th reason and that is that the BMS analyses the conditions then makes a decision whether to precondition before supercharging? The reason I ask is that sometimes when I navigate to a supercharger I receive a notification that the battery will precondition.
Hi, Keith thank you! When using navigation and having a supercharger as a destination, the BMS will optimize your battery for the fastest possible charging rate by optimizing the temperature of the battery. Tesla calls this preconditioning as well, but I see it as being a bit different than the scenario there you are warming up the battery to optimize your range. In any case it is arguably all "preconditioning" but a real battery engineer would probably have a better explanation than I do. I just play one on TV, hehe. :-)
@@ElectricCanuck Excellent explanation. Thank you very much Tesla Canuck.
@@ElectricCanuck One more thing, regarding preconditioning to optimize battery temperature for the targeted SuC, do you believe the BMS sometimes decides conditions are such that there is no need to precondition for the SuC? I ask because when I use the nav system to take me to a SuC I do not receive the precondition notification. To be clear, I am too new of a Tesla owner to do anything to trick the BMS away from preconditioning for a SuC. It just seems to be random when it decides to precondition for a SuC.
@@kvi1955 It's happened to me before too that I didn't get the preconditioning notification. It would logical to me that if the battery is already at the optimum temperature, then there would be no need for preconditioning. Just a guess, but it seems to make sense.
Do you recommend to precondition your battery when not plugged in? Currently having the new version of model Y right now. I see the point of preconditioning for more regen but I also noticed that it does take some miles out of it as well.
I do it all the time because I like to get into a nice toasty car, and have proper regen. There are so many super charging stations in the greater Toronto area, I just never worry about range.
Is Preconditioning necessary in warm weather climates? Can't seem to find any info on this, they just say always precondition on you way to Supercharger stations.
I think they are two different use cases. In cold weather, preconditioning the battery to optimize range. Preconditioning by setting a Supercharging destination in maps optimizes the battery for maximum charge rate. So I think preconditioning in warm climates, when navigating to a supercharging station, is helpful in either climate. I’m not an engineer, but would welcome someone with technical knowledge to also reply to this question...it’s a really good one. 👍
What uses more electricity from the wall overall? Preheating or not?
We bought a 2020 model 3 and live in Colorado. Pretty sad/irritated we missed the heat pump by about 3 months.
This is one of the drawbacks that not a lot of Tesla RUclipsrs talk about. Because there isn’t a “traditional” model year, changes can happen at anytime. I just missed the console redesign and I fear the heated steering wheel as well. I agree this sucks, if I’m being honest.
SOOOOOO with you!! Bought mine in early sept and i was livid when I found out about the refresh! I even called tesla to see if I could swap em out ..of course they said noo):
Does anyone know if there's a difference between pre-conditioning the battery for supercharging, vs setting a scheduled departure?
Also, does a cold battery regain it's charge in a warm environment, or is the charge we lost to the cold gone for good?
+Exploring Space, to the second of your questions, the range is lost for good. Your first question I am not too sure, but I believe that preconditioning with scheduled departure is a cold weather feature only meant to warm up the batter to improve efficiency. You can precondition while unplugged, but most owners will do this while plugged in to improve range when departing to their destination. Preconditioning the battery before Supercharging optimizes the battery to accept maximum charge rate. I am sure there are technical details here, but I am definitely not an engineer. I found a thread that might be useful located here: forums.tesla.com/discussion/170769/preconditioning-tesla-battery-prior-to-supercharging. I hope that this helps. Cheers.
Do you think it would work okay to have a Tesla in northern Ontario if it’s always plugged in outside? I don’t have a garage, contemplating a Tesla cybertruck but concerned about the battery during extreme cold temperatures...any info would be great as to whether or not this is a good idea, thanks!
My personal opinion is that there is no reason not to get a Cybertruck provided that you have access to something better than a regular 120v outlet when parked outside. NEMA 14-50 ideally, or Tesla Wall Charger. The battery management system will take good care of ensuring that the battery is kept at the right temperature when parked. I also expect another leap forward in range by the time the Cybertruck is actually released. I hope that this helps.
@@ElectricCanuck This was very helpful, thank you, and also thanks for being so quick to rely I appreciate it.
Have you seen Tesla Bjorn’s videos? He lives in Norway which can be very cold and drives a Model 3. It shouldn’t be an issue but preconditioning is well worth the energy used.
@@SirHackaL0t. no I haven’t but I’ll check them out, thanks
Have you tried TeslaFi? Well worth the subscription for some great info about your car.
Also, the CANbus adapter allows some great insight into your car. You can see battery temps, fluid details, power etc.
I've been using Tezlab, which has a great UI, but it is light on data. I'm definitely going to give TeslaFi a go.
What camera do you use to film the road? I like the turn around effect.
GoPro Hero 9...you can turn that stabilization effect off and on. I've been playing around with it the past few videos. I like it too!
How good is the visibility out the back when it’s snowing? I live in Idaho and we get quite a bit of snow here and I haven’t owned a car without a back wiper in about 15-20 years.
Good question. This is our 4th winter with the Model X, which also has no rear wiper. I haven't thought about it in 4 years! I expect the same from the Y, but I'll post back here if I find any problems with it. Cheers.
I was curious how many KMs on average you get out of a charge in the winter months on your model Y? Do you have a rough idea , just curious the difference between summer months and winter.
Roughly 350 kms in the winter on a super cold day, like -10⁰C. This is our first summer with the Model Y, but we always got more than rated range on both our Model 3 and Model X in the summer. On one trip to Quebec City, I got 540 kms out of my 2018 Model 3. And I wasn't driving slow either. Summer makes a big difference. Hope this helps.
@@ElectricCanuck Thanks so much!
If you don’t have a scheduled departure time is there a recommended (sweet spot) precondition time 30/15 minutes prior to departure? I’ve noticed when I’ve warmed the car up before the regen braking message also doesn’t appear and the brakes work as usual without having to apply the brake pedal but releasing the accelerator.
That's a good question. I am not aware of a prescriptive number of minutes, since each preconditioning session is likely to be different in some way (e.g. the ambient temperature). I generally precondition for 20 minutes. If it is super cold, like -20°C or worse, I would probably do 30-45 minutes, based on prior experience with our Model 3 and Model X. I hope that this helps.
Take a look at Tesla Björn's test of M3 with heat pump winter, 15 min. cabin heat = 15 degrees warm battery
What if your only option to precondition is when not plugged in? So let’s say my car is 80% and I precondition for 20 minutes, assuming this would use around 3-5% of the range on a Model 3 SR+ with no heat pump. Is it worth doing this? Not saying this is my situation but some people don’t have a charger at home. Just curious from your experience as without having the car plugged in to precondition, I don’t think you gain much just a toastier start to your day :) great videos by the way.
Thanks Corey! I precondition the battery all the time when not plugged in. It’s not super efficient vs getting in the car and starting to drive, but I love warm car and proper regen. 😎
When it’s cold outside, and it can get pretty cold here in Canada- getting into a cold car is just as crappy lol
last video you went from 72% to 56% = 16%, this video you went from 80% to 65% = 15% So if preconditioning uses more than 1% its not worth it?
He is assuming you are preconditioning while plugged in. If you are not plugged in, you are correct.
@@superbud333 yes, correct, I was plugged in.
So always precondition before heading out irrespective of whether it's plugged in or not? Does this only apply in winter?
Yes, I would recommend this. Ideally plugged in, but not necessary if you have enough charge.
@@ElectricCanuck wish I could plug it in but unfortunately no driveway. Got to rely on public charging and office charging. I will figure it out when it arrives
@@ElectricCanuck Is it connected to the mains socket or must the charging be turned on? That is, Tesla needs to be turned on to charge?
Question. If you set the nav to a supercharger it will precondition is that the same thing ? Thanks in advance Jeff
Very similar, if not identical. When navigating to a supercharger the preconditioning optimizes for the most efficient charging temperature for the battery. An engineer could probably point out the differences (if any).
@@ElectricCanuck thanks for the reply- keep up the good work !
Wind could easily be part of the improvement plus as far as I can tell the extra power used to precondition was not factored in. Also many EVs never let their battires get cold enough when plugged in to have regen ever get limited.
The conditions from temperature to wind to the test route were near identical. I am not aware of other EVs, but a Tesla will definitely loose all regen in extreme cold. In my experience, anything below about -5°C. Not sure if you watched the video, but I provided the stats on how much energy was used to precondition. Between 660-750 Wh (2kW draw from the grid for 20 minutes). Cheers.
@@ElectricCanuck Yes I did, from experience other EVs are far more cold tolerating than Teslas. My Bolt for example can have the Battery as low as 38F at the battery or about 3C and I still have full regen. I do wonder what the loss of regen curve is for the Model Y. My car won't let the battery get colder than 4C at the Battery when plugged in. At about -2 I only just start to lose something but I have 80% or more of my Regen.
Cool. I don’t know a lot about the Bolt, so that’s interesting to hear. I’ve heard the Tesla BMS will start warming the battery at -7°C to keep it from getting too cold. Cheers.
Great information, I must remember to do that. I never seem to remember, my car is just a month old. And please slow down, you were driving way to fast around some of those corners!
Thanks Victor! In case there was any confusion, the speedometer is in kilometers, not miles. Cheers.
Any problems with your cabin heater blowing cold air yet?
I've definitely read about this issue, but I've never experienced it myself.
It only happened once. I'm not sure if it had something to do with the sequence in which I was charging and pre conditioning but nothing you expect to happen on a car that is brand new and only a week old. Still love the car.
how much battery % did the preconditioning use?
Zero battery as I was plugged in. The power draw from the circuit was 660 watts for 20 minutes of preconditioning. Hope this helps.
Thought you were going 110 mph
Lol, that’s not the first time. You’re in good company. 😎
Hello Tesla Canuck! Your videos have been instrumental in my decision to order a model Y. Do you have a referral code you can send me that I can use. Let me know and thanks again...keep the informative video coming!!!
Thank you so much for your kind words!! Welcome to the Tesla family. 🎉 You can use my referral link to get 1,500 free Supercharger km on a new Tesla: ts.la/paul3921
Dang, vancouver still has no snow this winter
We can send you some from Ontario!
Lol
@@ElectricCanuck Do you ship to Germany also? I miss snow a lot. :(
Does now
@@manvirsingh6039 RIP
would you tell me the speed (degC/min) of battery preconditioning?
Do you mean the cabin temperature or the battery temperature? The cabin will warm from 0°C to 20°C in about 5 minutes. For the battery, I don’t have access to that data.
Jealous of your electricity costs. I pay the equivalent of 30cents Canadian /kWh, which is why fuel costs for a Tesla are only significantly better than ICE round town and are equaled by hybrids in my area.
Oh wow, which part of the world do you live in, if you don’t mind my asking?
@@ElectricCanuck. California. Tesla charges 28c/kWh US at local superchargers and domestic costs are perhaps 1c cheaper. If it weren't for full self driving, I would have cancelled my Model Y order. A RAV4 Prime run for 200,000 miles would be a much cheaper proposition, far more reliable, better built, no squeaks and rattles and a decent paint job.
Cool thanks for that context. That's expensive juice for sure. Cheers.
7:06 Actual actual maths: the improvement is 12.5%, because 81 / 72 = 1.125 . 😉
D-oh, yes I believe you are right. Oops. Thanks for the correction 👍
@@ElectricCanuck Nice that your first inkling/guesstimate was correct.
2 kW for 20 minutes is 2/3 kWh
driving 10% over the speed limit of 30 is 80????
I don't understand? There are no 30km zones on my test circuit. What is the time stamp?
@@ElectricCanuck 3:18
3:16 there is snow on the speed sign making the 8 look like a 3. It’s an 80 km/h zone. Cheers.
Turning on the climate control does not preheat the battery.
"Real world", but you're driving slower than some trucks on that highway.
This is not new information. Old news for those of us that have owned a Tesla for years. Guess this message is for the clueless newbees just discovering Tesla RUclipsrs.