Links to the GPU deals I mentioned in the video: RTX 4070 for $499.99 howl.me/cmFZ5kBdryH RX 7900 GRE for $509.99 howl.me/cmFZ7bO3ERG RX 6800 16GB for $339.99 howl.me/cmFBwYZdS0X RX 6750 XT 12GB for $279.99 howl.me/cmFBvresIxM Disclosure: while this is not a sponsored post, I did use affiliate links so I may earn money on qualifying purchases through the links above.
I swear it's gonna be 8gig all over again and maybe, just maaaybe 10 which is still lolz. Steam says that ppl are buying 4060 a lot, means here goes another 8gig card as ppl are willing to buy them.
i know that Hub, gamersnexus among many other techtubers are trying to push gpu makers to ditch 8gb for $300 pricepoint, but the fact that 4060 and 4060ti made it to steam survey most popular cards will not be enough pressure for Nvidia to change things, why do that when they can get more profits selling less for more.
@@tomthomas3499 Because most of those cards are from prebuilt systems bought by people with almost no knowledge of the matter, just plug and play. They only know they bought Nvidia and nothing else.. We (Dedicated pc gamers) don't even account for 10% of Steam charts.
I'm still waiting to hear what power connector Nvidia plans to use for the higher-power 5090, since the 4090 connector melting problem has never been fully resolved, from what I've heard. Doesn't seem any prominent GPU testers are asking?
Yeah. When i googled on it there were claims it will (allegedly) still use the 12vhpwr. I was asking myself why don't they use the newer 12v2x6. Then again, I can't really trust the info 100%
@@GewelRealstop with nonsense dude. There are games that would like to have more than 8GB of vram available, even at 1080p. And the number will slowly but steadily rise in the future. Vast majority of 8 GB gpus are 3, 5, 7 years old. It was completely fine for their point in time. But thinking that 5060 with 8GB would be good or adequate in the era when we will judge it, in full 2026, is something only a brainrot mind could ever consider.
17:13 It's obvious that AMD is comparing to the 5800x3d because it wants everyone to keep buying the 7800x3d right up until the 9000 series is available.
AMD wants 5800x3d users, much more than 7700x users, to buy 9700x at least, is easy to understand, AMD is literally saying, if u have a 7800x3d wait for 9800x3d, u are not the general consumers which change CPUs between at least 2 generations.
Nope they compare against the 5800X3D (2 generations old) because the previous generation 7800X3D is faster for gaming then the 9000-series. Some might say duh that is the X3D version but keep in mind the standard 7000-series was faster for gaming than the 5800X3D. Basically they are pushing this comparison to the old 5800X3D as otherwise nobody would buy the 9000-series for gaming before the 9000X3D version is out whatever year that is 🤦♂
Daniel: As a math teacher it's your moral obligation to teach people that $499.99 is $500 because the difference is only 0.002% and cheap psychological tricks has no place in education :P (Edit: I see you flip-flop between the two approaches. I beg of you to refuse to say "ninety nine" on principle matter, whether it's dollars or cents).
@@axlfrhalo A good math teacher gives students an intuitive sense for numbers, and intuitively 0.002% is "the same". In engineering that might matter, but in private budgeting it does not.
@@andersjjensen Calling on his stature as a math teacher to teach something that is mathematically wrong, because it isn't in a private budgeting sense, is the issue here. That would be a disservice to his craft.
Frankly i dont care what they price it at. Once GPU’s are at or over $1000 they because so grossly overpriced none of it matters anymore. Retailers were already selling 4090’s for well over $2000. This shit is dumb and not made for most people
@@GewelRealyou don't have to be poor to realize these companies try to squeeze every cent from its customers. Stop shilling for trillion dollar corporations.
I truly believe that they moved up a tier from 3000 series. Like, 4050 being called 4060, 4070 being called 4080. The only follow up that match is, 4090. The rest is just bust. Hope the 5000 will fix that
You could also say that the 4090 is what was actually supposed to be the 4080, since 4090 isn't actually providing good price-to-performance compared to the original 3080, but everyone cuts it slack just because "the 90 tier is not supposed to be good price-to-performance, it's supposed to be an extreme Titan class card" but it gave a big boost over the 3090, but the 3090 itself was kind of a rip-off and the 3080 was clearly a much more sensible option if we consider MSRP pricing. So I think the 4090 was originally supposed to be 4080 but it would've been outrageous if they charged 1600 for the successor to 3080 which was 700 (still charged an outrageous 1200 for the actual 4080 though, but it wasn't received well and it would've been even more so if it was 1600 even if the performance was upgraded to 4090 levels).
Yeah the fact that 4050 doesnt even exist this generation also proves that 4060 was meant to be 4050 and all other cards under 4090 should be tier lower. Hopefully 5060 will be card as it should be considering the TPD is significantly higher than 4060.
You just realized that now... that was obvious since day 1. 4060 = 4050 4070 = 4060 4070 SUPER = 4060 Ti 4070 Ti = 4070 4070 Ti SUPER = 4070 Ti Only the 4080 and 4090 makes sense.
The slide given to us by AMD regarding the 5800x3d and 9700x states that the 5800x3d is running at 105W, while the 9700x is running at 65W. That would probably explain the weird performance numbers as it's not something you've acknowledged. Very cool to see efficiency gains from Ryzen 7000 be advanced even further
TDP =/= power draw. TDP is basically how much cooler in theory u need, its even in the name. Graphs show TDP, high TDP parts can have way lower draw when not utilizing all cores, can have higher draw than tdp with autoboosting etc. For example 7800x3d is rated for 120w tdp afaik, peak draw reaches 160-170w. TDP values are lower this gen because AMD (at least with info they provided) improved thermal efficiency of design/ihs, so its easier to cool (often ryzen cpus can reach high temps despite low draw this gen because of thick ihs). Dosent mean this gen will draw less, its just easier to cool. They even mentioned that this gen is supposed to run 7c cooler than previous one, that would impact TDP values HEAVILY.
@@keldon1137 Exactly. The 9600x and 9700x have the same tdp... that doesn't mysteriously mean that the 8-core is 33% more efficient. We will see how power efficient the 9000 series once reviews come out.
@@keldon1137I'm aware that TDP and power draw are different. I'm still pointing it out due to the fact that there's no other plausible explanation for the discrepancies in performance numbers. If the provided graph was with the 9700x running out of the box then it would be sad to see, making it more of a refresh of the 7700x rather than a newer generation
We need to see the endnote information slide to see how they actually tested things. They likely picked a mix of games that run ok on X3D and several that run terribly on X3D. I'm sure they also tested the Intel CPUs in the worst possible configuration too.
@@aceofspades2577 Unfortunately, there is another explanation. I suspect they're trying to pull off the same trick they did when they showed in their graphs that the "new" Ryzen 9 5900XT is equal to or slightly better than the Intel i7 13700K when in reality both systems were massively GPU limited so their graphs were functionally meaningless.
I do have to wonder if 5090 is going to melt power connectors, even with the better ones claiming to handle 600 watts. 500 out of 600 is pushing capacity and those wires are not big. Thumbs up!
If the 4090 was already too much and had to be cut down, how would they manage to sell a cut down 5090 to china? Unless the maximum capabilities we're allowed to export are going to increase
Watt is correct for TDP as well as power usage. It is both physical power. Compare it to the different power an engine makes at the crankshaft, vs. the power that gets applied to the road by the car with that engine. The crankshaft power is always higher. The power usage of a CPU will always be higher than their thermal power output, the thermals are just the "exhaust" power it took above the pure work of shifting certain zeroes to certain ones.
The thing most people absolutely don't get is the maximum watts does not mean it will draw that many watts. There's a big difference between something pegged at 500 watts, and something that for very short periods of time may spike to 500 watts. The cooling and cost of that is vastly different in those two scenarios.
My guess is that for the 9700x benchmark results (at least on those that claim a 2% advantage over the 7800x3d) PBO was enabled for the CPUs, since they can justify the performance uplift by saying "look, this CPU is running very low on power consumption out of the box, so just press this button and it will get a significant performance boost without losing much on efficiency". I don't think that would be necessarily bad since 65w out of the box is actually nuts for an 8 core CPU keeping in mind how powerful it will (probably) be, but AMD should start being more clear on their benchmark results.
TDP isnt the draw, they literally said their improved chip design/ihs to make CPUs run 7c cooler. That would result in lower TDP number, because as its name suggest, its thermal design power. It dosent equal draw, for example 7800x3d is 120w TDP rated while drawing up to 160-170w at peak load. Its entirely possible that new gen will draw more or same as previous one.
NVIDIA: _This guy said everyone wanted a big performance increase on the 60's cards so they become reasonably good on the same prince range of 300$._ Also NVIDIA: _If we launch the 5050, make it 300$ and put the 5060 at 400$. No, wait, 450$, then take 50$ off after 3 months so the suckers get an erection._ Yep. You guys better grab onto your seats and make sure you're strapped in. We're in for another wild ride with these 50 series GPUs from them. God, I still can't believe I got my 4070 for 500€ last year on black friday instead of the 700€ that's still priced at here. AMD looks better and better for people outside the US with these prices.
AMDs 7000 series CPUs initially weren't exactly what gamers hoped for in terms of price/performance either. Every company wants to maximise their income, a company with leading product has more options to use as a leverage for increasing income. Not defending nvidia here, but if AMD was the one with better GPUs we would see the same, AMD jacking up prices, Nvidia trying to be "the good guy". Neither company is your friend, just pick a better product at the moment of purchase and don't be afraid to jump ship in the future.
TBF if people can afford it then why not? even with massive inflation people don't really have families anymore if we keep it a buck these single men have all of this disposable cash allowing them to buy overpriced NVidia GPUs. now if they were forced to be more economically cheap then eventually Nvidia would have to list their products for at least a $100 cheaper across the board.
believe it or not, amd pvicing were absolutely garbage before they drop the price. just pick what you need, don't care much about future proofing other than psu
Performance comes with power and besides how much is 500W? +1$ in your electricity bill... assuming you use your PC 8 hours/day. You use equipment on a daily basis that draws more than 500W... A fridge for example draws like 230W/hour so around 5,520W in 24 hours and I doubt you turn off your fridge unless you let all your food to spoil.
It's a toy! Just like fast cars, big houses and beautiful girlfriends. The rich will never be happy, so let them learn it the hard (and expensive) way. Soon they will be old and very depressed that no matter what they bought, it never made them happy. They are a miserable bunch. I know because I too was wealthy with 5 cars, a motorcycle, and money to burn. Now that I am much older (and poorer) I see that clearly and am adapting to not wanting the latest and "best toy" because next year there will be another and another and another - LOL.
@@laszlozsurka8991 Depends on the country. However even ignoring the bills (here 100w draw over 8 hours would result in 150 euro per year, or 0.4 euro per day, 500w would make that 2 or 730 euro respectively). But as homeowner with home office my bigger problem is heat output. We got 20sqm home office for remote work with my SO, we have 2 desktops + 2 macbooks, even 100w draw difference over the day makes a big difference in temperature in the summer.
@@laszlozsurka8991 you have no clude what you are talking about i guess, you dont even know the correct units lmao. You numbers are also wrong. Elecricity costs 0.3 Euros/kwh So 2 hours of gaming a day adds 0.3 Euros to your elecricity bill just due to the gpu Also a fridge doesnt run 24/7 depending on the temperature inside the house usually bet 35% and 85% of the time.
14:40 AMD also only tests the performance with the stock 65W TDP without PBO enabled, I would think that techpowerup and most sources would have PBO enabled, there is a potential for a huge gain there
I think your question/argument doesn’t make sense with the whole 12% increase. Techpowerup doesn’t have the exact same games as the ones on amds slide, which would answer the question of “why is there a difference here”. I think it’d make more sense if you compare on a game by game basis since some games are still lower that a 5800x3d
Decent B650 boards are down to 140-150€ so it's ok now and a 165€ 7500f is a steal anyway. I wish Intel would release something competitive. Edit: My bad the 7500f is even down to 139€ right now.
@@nipa5961 The cheapest ryzen 5 7500f cpu in South Africa is 170€ with the cheapest b650 board is 132€. Any product I buy other than local is 30€-70€ import fees. The cheapest 2x8GB DDR5 5200 CL32 ram sticks is 75€. Combined all cheapest am5 cpu,mobo and ram it cost me 377€. That total price is locally, if it was overseas like amazon, ali-express, etc it would have been 450€-500€.
AM5 right now is the only sensible option for building a new pc right now with a decent budget, but upgrading from a good am4 combo is not needed yet. MSI PRO B650s + 7500f + 32gb DDR-5 6000 was 430 euro for me.
500 W for a videocard. !! wow. It's getting insane.. You need that new AMD CPU to compensate for the total power draw. AMD is doing quite well with the Watts..
Intel Xe (stylized as Xe and pronounced as two separate letters, abbreviation for "e X ascale for e veryone"), earlier known unofficially as Gen12, is a GPU architecture developed by Intel.
Low Power E-Cores or LPE-Cores use the Crestmont architecture. Focusing on low-power computing rather than delivering raw performance. LPE-Cores are for handling light tasks without significantly impacting power consumption. Power levels have been a recent issue, well publicised in i9 13th and 14th gen Raptor Lake / Refresh processors.
Intel Lunar Lake architecture, codenamed Lion Cove, features P-cores that deliver an average gain of 14% in IPC (Instructions Per Cycle). These cores are optimized for a hybrid architecture by removing hyperthreading and related logic blocks. The removal of dedicated mechanisms and extra security features results in a leaner core, providing a 15% increase in performance efficiency, 10% increase in performance per area, and a 30% improvement in performance per power per area. AMD don't specify actually what they improve. It might be power, it might be IPC.. who knows?
5800x3d is DDR4 and they could normalize it to compare against that. While for the 9700 they could have used a 8000MT kit with DDR 5 add to that the specific games you use for benchmarking and bios/os options and you have your differences... Nothing to see here...move along. Wait for the release.
Hi, to objectively compare (apples to apples) Ryzen 9700x Vs 5800x3d or 7800x3d you need to compare it while using one specific game on specific HW setup. Comparing averages doesn't work very well in statistics.
So, while technically the 'new' AMD cards would be a new release in the sense that we couldn't buy them before; the 7990XTX at least was already a 'released' card back in 2022 roughly maybe 2023. Paper release essentially. Never got put out in the wild. But you can find tech specs for what was supposed to be released on techpowerup and technicalcity. Actually, technicalcity has all the 'new' gpu's listed on their site. Not sure for techpowerup in regards to the 7950 models, but they do have the 7990XTX like I mentioned earlier. I suspect what likely happened is AMD did some binning, and released a certain batch as their workstation W7900 series, saving the best gaming bins for later. They probably were going to release the 7990XTX at one point, but then decided to wait it out and see what Nvidia ultimately pulls out of their oven. Now that Nvidia's specs are better known at this point, AMD is ready to let the 7990XTX out of the cage to compete. And if the specs on those previous mentioned websites are anything close to accurate; it will compete quite nicely. Nvidia will still probably take the leading edge, like usual; but it's going to be a close one. Techpowerup quotes a boost clock of 3599Mhz. Base of 2500. Game of 3300. Shader same. 5090 is being hyped at roughly 2900Mhz for its base clock. Impressive of course, and hence why they will still take the lead a bit likely. But depending on the range it gets for its boost clock... AMD might eek out some wins.
I build my pc in january 2023 and used a 7600x with an upgrade to x3d cpus later in mind. My cpu might bottleneck my 4080 a little bit (would not buy it today. Back then there were only bad deals for highend gpus. Right now a 7800xt for 499€ is a far better deal unless 4k raytracing is your priority) but so far i never ran into a scenario where my cpu wasnt able to give me good fps in any game. A 7800x3d might be a lot better, but i feel like there is no usecase in gaming for anything faster than 7600x right now. So a 7800x3d is already pretty much a cpu that will probably last multiple years without bottleneck on gpu in real life scenarios (not 1080p 500fps and stuff like that). That means a few % faster on the new generation is pointless for gaming?
The 9700x slide does seem off however what will be interesting is the performance efficiency e.g. performing roughly at 7800x3d level but for less heat/power which is great. Then 9800x3d will land... Now wondering how they'll price Zen5
i have not watched hardware unboxed video but the graph that you were showing says that 9700x ran at 65W(default TDP) and 5800X3D at 105W, where the 9700X is 12% better. Considering it is the X variant it probably can run at 105W too just like the 7700X. I believe in the test between 9700X and 7800X3D the 9700X ran at 105W.
AMD is using Blender to show efficiency improvement might ended up causing disappointment since Blender has the biggest performance increase due to improved AVX512 if I'm not mistaken thus would not translate to most application. For example, I doubt we well see 9700X 11% faster than 7700X in CB MT. Heck, I suspect It will ran slower at its default TDP. This is not because 9700X is inherently slower but it is simply TDP limited. This is also why with PBO 9700X got the biggest increase since compared to 9600X and 9900X, it is an 8core CPU being given the same TDP as 6c CPU. And the other one is 12c at like 2x the TDP of 6c. Basically the most representative CPU to actually compare architectural improvement is 9950X since it has the same TDP as 7950X. For the other SKUs, AMD sacrificed some performance for efficiency. Having said that, this will mainly affect all core workloads like CB. For gaming the difference will be less.
if the 5090 comes out in January theres been rumours that the 5080 will come out before the 90. Does that mean that i may has a chance to come out late 2024?
There is a MAJOR problem with 3DV-Cash! And he is the speed with the handling at a suitable speed! The speed of data exchange between the processor and the normal cache of the 3rd level is at one speed, and with 3DV at another, with RAM a third! And here is the subtle point that is being talked about behind the scenes, that the new 3DV will be made with a different production process! This leads to a bonus and a minus: Bonus: it will run faster! Minus, it will occupy a smaller part of the crystal and this leads to negative results in temperatures!!! From this point of view, I expect: Either the size of the 3DV memory should be increased or not, even 200 megahertz auto-overclock through the adrenaline!
What I think happened is the 9700x was tested with a 7900xtx which means there was some gpu bottlenecking. When using a 4090, it ended up being 2% faster than the 7800x3d.
It is clear that NVIDIA gave deliberately cut down versions of the 4070 and the 4070 Ti as shown here and as the later Super series proved. They could release the Super series as the original 4070 and Ti and everybody would have been happy but they chose not to. Maybe they did it to make more money by keeping costs down but this hurt the 40 series because it was met with a feeling of dissatisfaction and gave more people reasons to buy AMD. The 40 series was not very well received in general, it was considered overpriced and giving only the bare minimum in terms of performance upgrade over the 30 series. This was corrected with the Super series but it was a bit too late in my opinion.
On average, the 65w 9700x faster than the 105w 5800x3d by 12%. Delete 65w tdp limiter from this sentence and you can see more than "12% on average" potential.
Found the Newegg deals by accident and bough myself a 5700X3D and a Thermalright tower cooler as the final upgrade for my AM4 platform. Then will be GPU when next gen comes...or the following one, who knows
if this is true the 5050 will be more powerful than the 4060. it's on a smaller node and it's only 15 watts tdp lower. the 200 dollar price point might actually be worth it if they give it enough vram. 12 gbs should be the minimum. the 4060 8gb is a joke. the 3060 12gb is a better option and thats so sad
I think, if you're hoping for the 5060 to be a powerful card with more than 8 GB of memory, you should be prepared for the "entry level" into the new GPU market to start at 500 bucks.
How did I see this the moment it was released? Thanks for the news. AMD marketing stays bad, unsurprisingly. The other possibility is that AMD's test setup isn't the same (faster or slower RAM, etc.) or the microcode/drivers aren't as mature as those for the 5800/7800 X3D chips. AMD could be comparing these without PBO, for instance, whereas a lot of reviewers run things with automatic PBO on since that's the standard setting on a lot of motherboards now (I think, anyway, mine came with it turned on by default). They may be running PBO on one set of chips but not on the other. Their marketing isn't exactly the most honest.
bought that same 6800 on newegg for $340 couple months ago, very good for its price. although my 9700k bottlnecks the fk out of it. need a new mobo cpu to fully utilize it's power
It makes sense if you think about it. The 9700x can be faster than a 7800x3d but its going to use more power. Against the 5800x3d its faster and draws less.... Easy
I do have to point out that the components and screens for Alienware monitors are pretty much just Samsung screens with an Alienware sticker on them and most of the time a price hike.
I keep telling myself wait to buy a gpu! its only around the corner 😆 the 2080 ti has done me good it still plays my game in 4k at mid-high settings... Everyone said dont buy it! 2018 its now 2024!
17:01 The chart did say 65W 9700x, AMD may increase the tdp due to lackluster result compared to 7800x3d. 65w is just too low anyway for x model cpu. So imo 65w tdp is 12% better than 5800x3d and 120w tdp (estimate) is 2% better than 7800x3d. AMD and their last minute changes lol.
Heres a crazy idea. What if AMD stopped making dedicated GPUs and fully focused on making even better APU solutions? Here me out... What if they made motherboards (matx/itx) with embedded APUs with like 40/60/80 CUs and 16/32/64 gb of ddr6 unified ram ? Kinda like an itx version of a console motherboard. One stop solution. These would dominate the mid-teir pre built market
when i first got into pc gaming people were already saying that in a few years low end gpus would no exist anymore because we dont need them because APUs will be powerfull enough. That was like 10 years ago
AMD improvement's specifiying gains made in TDP (Thermal Design Performance), not to IPC (Instructions Per Cycle). Intel clarify, provide stats in all terms of CPU releases. AMD use Big, Little, per AMD Lisa Su relating to P+E found in Intel P Cores (performance) "Lion Cove" and E Cores (efficiency) or LPE (Low Power Efficiency) Cores "Crestmont Gold", upgrades the "Golden Cove" in Metor Lake (12-14 Gen), adding "Gold" to "Crestmont". Intel's Gen12 GPU cores, named Xe="eXascale for everyone". NPU cores in Lunar Lake, "Neural Processing Units", deal with AI workloads.
AMD’s big / little is Zen versus Zen c. I don’t think the consumer Zen5 mix cores at this time. Also, I saw no conversation in the announcement that talked to a NPU integrated in Zen5 desktop. Maybe I missed it.
Hey, as a heads up, if yall want best bang for buck IMHO for pure gaming and dont mind high power draw, AMD, and buying used. The 6950xt goes used on fleabay on the rugular in the low $400 range. They roughly perform between 4070ti and 4080. Sucks i absolutely need cuda for stable diffusion, cuz i aint running linux, so i gotta pay that nvidia tax.
So high-end iGPUs are now slightly faster than a 8 year old budget GPU (RX 480/580) and still falls below minspec of many current titles. IDK does not sound like that big of a deal to celebrate, considering how freaking overpriced (for their performance) laptops with those top end SKUs will be. Thanks AI crap taking up die space. Where is the SKU that can compete with a 2070? Feels like the iGPU viability renaissance we got with the Steamdeck hardware kind died down a little. Really hope Intel will put out a banger architecture (tiles, or whatever), because it already starting to feel like Skylake++ times, just in red (note how AMD felt the need to avoid compare their newest lineup with their own strongest previous gen chips and instead looked 2 gens back, I was just waiting for them to compare the 9600x with a 3600x for some reason).
We're talking about an iGPU that is now at comparable performance to dedicated graphics drawing significantly more power, granted on the low end of GPUs by todays standards. That is very impressive and eliminates the need for graphics cards for most tasks not involving pure gaming. And they CAN game at 1080p or below in most titles, granted at low settings in newer games. But an RX580 performance level is still viable. Having said that, AMD is working on another variant of the HX 370 code named Strix Halo with up to 16 cores and an iGPU that will reportedly have performance equivalent to a 7600 XT or possibly even approaching a 7700 XT. That's scheduled for availability sometime end of the year or early next year.
@@Son37Lumiere The current iGPU is barely matching a 3 generation old dGPU. That is not a big achievement, to be honest. We saw similar performance with iGPU's before. Strix Halo is due out soon, and you are predicting it will jump from a 1650 GTX to a 7600 XT level of performance. A roughly 277% increase in performance? Still on RDNA 3 CU's? Sorry, RDNA 3+ CU's? I have my doubts.
@@EdDale44135 Yes it is a big achievement, the power draw is a small fraction of the RX580s. No, we have never seen performance anywhere close to that from an iGPU until now. Yes, Strix Halo is going to use the same RDNA 3.5 CUs as the 890m which offers a 17% improvement in performance per watt over the RDNA3 CUs on the 780m. The 890m has 16 CUs, Strix Halo reportedly has 40 CUs. For reference, the 7600 XT has 32 CUs. The reason why it might only be as fast as a 7600 XT is because of a lower power limit and the slower LPDDR5 ram that's shared with the CPU.
Somehow $499 USD = 109000 Japanese yen in online stores here. But the conversion rate puts it at 79000 So Japanese websites are ripping us off. I have a 3070, so there is absolutely no reason to buy a new GPU at all.
@@jochenkraus7016 GST is 10% here. No import tax, one would think, and because they're made in countries close to Japan, shipping costs should be lower.
If I remember correctly, 4 cores make a CCD and 2 of those make a CCX. And 2 of those make a Ryzen 9 x950 processor. If that's the case, I hope they move into 6 core CCDs
@@Antares-dw9iv CCD is CCX? A 6 core CCD would make a 12 core CCX no? Meaning that the top tier consumer chip would become 24 core instead of 16. And 12 cores wouldn't have as much latency with 2 CCXs communicating. I just want a good 12 core.
@@Antares-dw9iv I got them switched around. So a 4 core CCX plus another one makes a single 8 core CCD. But my point still stands. If we get 12 core CCD with 2-6core CCXs, then we'll get a good 12 core X3D chip. It's about time.
For the 9700X, this is at a claimed 105W, and see that as a claim of efficiency while still being able to perform better than a 5800X3D. Not the end all be all in the way of the 9700X's performance. The 9700X will undoubtedly be able to go beyond 105W, as my 5800X3D will pull 130W with how it's tuned boosting to 4.65Ghz all core, and my 5800X sucking down 150W when boosting 4.85Ghz all core. Give the 9700X a higher power budget, and who knows exactly where it will land in the charts. Could be faster than a 7800X3D. We will really only know once we get our hands on them. So, I can see AMD's response being legit. It's 12% faster than a 5800X3D at 105W, and faster than a 7800X3D when you unlock the power budget and let the cores boost as high as they can.
Wasn't nvida warned about trying to pull 4090D type bullsht again? I doubt this 5090D thing is real, but this is nvidia we are talking about, so we know they are capable of all manner of nonsense.
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Wish they had the smaller Powercolor Fighter 6750 xt on sale to fit my small case. That's still $350
@@carrickdubya4765 Are there any used ones perhaps local to you?
That 4070 is $534.99 for me. Not $499.99. And the Radeon 7900 GRE went up by $10.
@@lightechoes the prices listed are once you apply the promo code, which was still there when I checked due to this comment.
@@danielowentech I want to Build a new pc. Should I wait for new ryzen 9700X or is a ryzen 7800X3D on sale a better deal? Thank!
Imagine a gpu called 50-50 lmao
A lot of reviews will make the same joke
"is it a good buy? Ehh, 50-50"
@@Prime_Rabbit hilarious
5060 needs not only to be good performer at that price range that makes sense, but enough memory!!!!!!
why would Nvidia put enough memory on their GPUs when it makes the people who buy their products feel forced to upgrade every generation?
I swear it's gonna be 8gig all over again and maybe, just maaaybe 10 which is still lolz. Steam says that ppl are buying 4060 a lot, means here goes another 8gig card as ppl are willing to buy them.
Forget it!! It won't happen
i know that Hub, gamersnexus among many other techtubers are trying to push gpu makers to ditch 8gb for $300 pricepoint, but the fact that 4060 and 4060ti made it to steam survey most popular cards will not be enough pressure for Nvidia to change things, why do that when they can get more profits selling less for more.
@@tomthomas3499 Because most of those cards are from prebuilt systems bought by people with almost no knowledge of the matter, just plug and play. They only know they bought Nvidia and nothing else..
We (Dedicated pc gamers) don't even account for 10% of Steam charts.
I'm still waiting to hear what power connector Nvidia plans to use for the higher-power 5090, since the 4090 connector melting problem has never been fully resolved, from what I've heard. Doesn't seem any prominent GPU testers are asking?
Yeah. When i googled on it there were claims it will (allegedly) still use the 12vhpwr. I was asking myself why don't they use the newer 12v2x6. Then again, I can't really trust the info 100%
@alargecorgi2199 Thx
Watch it 5060 8gb..
Do you actually NEED more than 8GB or do you just want more?
@@GewelRealstop with nonsense dude. There are games that would like to have more than 8GB of vram available, even at 1080p. And the number will slowly but steadily rise in the future. Vast majority of 8 GB gpus are 3, 5, 7 years old. It was completely fine for their point in time.
But thinking that 5060 with 8GB would be good or adequate in the era when we will judge it, in full 2026, is something only a brainrot mind could ever consider.
@@GewelReal Literally a need.. my 3060 12gb uses more than 8gb in almost every single game at 1440p
8.5 GB at best. Nvidia knows how to release useless cards.
@@GewelReal did you spout the same bs with 2 gb cards back in ps4 era?
17:13 It's obvious that AMD is comparing to the 5800x3d because it wants everyone to keep buying the 7800x3d right up until the 9000 series is available.
That slide is very sus to me. I bet they even under clocked the 9700X to perform worse.
AMD wants 5800x3d users, much more than 7700x users, to buy 9700x at least, is easy to understand, AMD is literally saying, if u have a 7800x3d wait for 9800x3d, u are not the general consumers which change CPUs between at least 2 generations.
Nope they compare against the 5800X3D (2 generations old) because the previous generation 7800X3D is faster for gaming then the 9000-series. Some might say duh that is the X3D version but keep in mind the standard 7000-series was faster for gaming than the 5800X3D. Basically they are pushing this comparison to the old 5800X3D as otherwise nobody would buy the 9000-series for gaming before the 9000X3D version is out whatever year that is 🤦♂
X3D 9000 is due in September 2024.
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
Exclamation marks are missing! Instructions unclear!!!!!!!!!!!
(Kidding aside, I think that wears off over time so the title is fine)
I need more exclaim
150$ sale just after I build my PC ! noooo
Daniel: As a math teacher it's your moral obligation to teach people that $499.99 is $500 because the difference is only 0.002% and cheap psychological tricks has no place in education :P
(Edit: I see you flip-flop between the two approaches. I beg of you to refuse to say "ninety nine" on principle matter, whether it's dollars or cents).
Not if you use a credit card. That might have been true when you paid with cash, but nowadays it doesn't matter as much.
mathematically 499.99 is not 500, those are two different numbers, one is even, one is decimal
@@axlfrhalo A good math teacher gives students an intuitive sense for numbers, and intuitively 0.002% is "the same". In engineering that might matter, but in private budgeting it does not.
@@andersjjensen Calling on his stature as a math teacher to teach something that is mathematically wrong, because it isn't in a private budgeting sense, is the issue here.
That would be a disservice to his craft.
@@andersjjensenI'm an engineer. Most of the time 0.002% doesn't really matter unless the accuracy is desired by the client.
That's the beauty of performance graphs, you can just cut off what you don't like and leave the sky high bars!
I hope they do not go wild with the 5090 and make it 2700 usd
If they price it at 2000 scalpers will get it to even 3k easy.
Frankly i dont care what they price it at. Once GPU’s are at or over $1000 they because so grossly overpriced none of it matters anymore. Retailers were already selling 4090’s for well over $2000. This shit is dumb and not made for most people
@@Angel7blackwe get it, you're poor smh 🙄
@@GewelRealyou don't have to be poor to realize these companies try to squeeze every cent from its customers. Stop shilling for trillion dollar corporations.
@@GewelReal lmao
these price drop tends to be only in the US, my country are selling these at least 5-10% mark up
I truly believe that they moved up a tier from 3000 series. Like, 4050 being called 4060, 4070 being called 4080. The only follow up that match is, 4090. The rest is just bust. Hope the 5000 will fix that
You could also say that the 4090 is what was actually supposed to be the 4080, since 4090 isn't actually providing good price-to-performance compared to the original 3080, but everyone cuts it slack just because "the 90 tier is not supposed to be good price-to-performance, it's supposed to be an extreme Titan class card" but it gave a big boost over the 3090, but the 3090 itself was kind of a rip-off and the 3080 was clearly a much more sensible option if we consider MSRP pricing. So I think the 4090 was originally supposed to be 4080 but it would've been outrageous if they charged 1600 for the successor to 3080 which was 700 (still charged an outrageous 1200 for the actual 4080 though, but it wasn't received well and it would've been even more so if it was 1600 even if the performance was upgraded to 4090 levels).
Yeah the fact that 4050 doesnt even exist this generation also proves that 4060 was meant to be 4050 and all other cards under 4090 should be tier lower. Hopefully 5060 will be card as it should be considering the TPD is significantly higher than 4060.
You just realized that now... that was obvious since day 1.
4060 = 4050
4070 = 4060
4070 SUPER = 4060 Ti
4070 Ti = 4070
4070 Ti SUPER = 4070 Ti
Only the 4080 and 4090 makes sense.
You are wrong. All names are correct.
@@Dhruv-qw7jfexcept the 4090 is the only card that had a good prce perf jump vs the previous card with the 3090
The slide given to us by AMD regarding the 5800x3d and 9700x states that the 5800x3d is running at 105W, while the 9700x is running at 65W. That would probably explain the weird performance numbers as it's not something you've acknowledged. Very cool to see efficiency gains from Ryzen 7000 be advanced even further
TDP =/= power draw. TDP is basically how much cooler in theory u need, its even in the name. Graphs show TDP, high TDP parts can have way lower draw when not utilizing all cores, can have higher draw than tdp with autoboosting etc. For example 7800x3d is rated for 120w tdp afaik, peak draw reaches 160-170w. TDP values are lower this gen because AMD (at least with info they provided) improved thermal efficiency of design/ihs, so its easier to cool (often ryzen cpus can reach high temps despite low draw this gen because of thick ihs). Dosent mean this gen will draw less, its just easier to cool. They even mentioned that this gen is supposed to run 7c cooler than previous one, that would impact TDP values HEAVILY.
@@keldon1137 Exactly. The 9600x and 9700x have the same tdp... that doesn't mysteriously mean that the 8-core is 33% more efficient. We will see how power efficient the 9000 series once reviews come out.
@@keldon1137I'm aware that TDP and power draw are different. I'm still pointing it out due to the fact that there's no other plausible explanation for the discrepancies in performance numbers. If the provided graph was with the 9700x running out of the box then it would be sad to see, making it more of a refresh of the 7700x rather than a newer generation
We need to see the endnote information slide to see how they actually tested things. They likely picked a mix of games that run ok on X3D and several that run terribly on X3D. I'm sure they also tested the Intel CPUs in the worst possible configuration too.
@@aceofspades2577 Unfortunately, there is another explanation. I suspect they're trying to pull off the same trick they did when they showed in their graphs that the "new" Ryzen 9 5900XT is equal to or slightly better than the Intel i7 13700K when in reality both systems were massively GPU limited so their graphs were functionally meaningless.
I do have to wonder if 5090 is going to melt power connectors, even with the better ones claiming to handle 600 watts. 500 out of 600 is pushing capacity and those wires are not big. Thumbs up!
It's not the wire size..its idiots not knowing how to plug in the new style connector
@@rkwjunior2298it sort of is the problem - it is pretty hard to make a mistake plugging in the pcie power cables vs the 12vhpr.
@@rkwjunior2298 It's a bad design, plain and simple.
@@antoniog8276 I never made a mistake plugging it in
Is there any info if the RTX 5000 series will be using 12vhpwr or the newer 12v2x6?
I googled and saw claims that it will still use 12vhpwr.
The 5900X is $222.00 and the $5950X is $292.00. Great prices for people still on AM4.
I just upgraded from a 3900x to a 5950x for a steal. I'll probably upgrade to a 7950x with a new mobo when the price comes down.
If the 4090 was already too much and had to be cut down, how would they manage to sell a cut down 5090 to china? Unless the maximum capabilities we're allowed to export are going to increase
Oh you literally asked the same question after I unpaused lmao
Watt is correct for TDP as well as power usage. It is both physical power.
Compare it to the different power an engine makes at the crankshaft, vs. the power that gets applied to the road by the car with that engine. The crankshaft power is always higher.
The power usage of a CPU will always be higher than their thermal power output, the thermals are just the "exhaust" power it took above the pure work of shifting certain zeroes to certain ones.
The thing most people absolutely don't get is the maximum watts does not mean it will draw that many watts. There's a big difference between something pegged at 500 watts, and something that for very short periods of time may spike to 500 watts. The cooling and cost of that is vastly different in those two scenarios.
Most GPUs do not regularly draw their limits even at full usage, except synthetic workloads or compute
My guess is that for the 9700x benchmark results (at least on those that claim a 2% advantage over the 7800x3d) PBO was enabled for the CPUs, since they can justify the performance uplift by saying "look, this CPU is running very low on power consumption out of the box, so just press this button and it will get a significant performance boost without losing much on efficiency". I don't think that would be necessarily bad since 65w out of the box is actually nuts for an 8 core CPU keeping in mind how powerful it will (probably) be, but AMD should start being more clear on their benchmark results.
TDP isnt the draw, they literally said their improved chip design/ihs to make CPUs run 7c cooler. That would result in lower TDP number, because as its name suggest, its thermal design power. It dosent equal draw, for example 7800x3d is 120w TDP rated while drawing up to 160-170w at peak load.
Its entirely possible that new gen will draw more or same as previous one.
If the geomean is including all resolutions 1080p/1440p/4K and not only 1080p then it makes sense.
NVIDIA: _This guy said everyone wanted a big performance increase on the 60's cards so they become reasonably good on the same prince range of 300$._
Also NVIDIA: _If we launch the 5050, make it 300$ and put the 5060 at 400$. No, wait, 450$, then take 50$ off after 3 months so the suckers get an erection._
Yep. You guys better grab onto your seats and make sure you're strapped in. We're in for another wild ride with these 50 series GPUs from them.
God, I still can't believe I got my 4070 for 500€ last year on black friday instead of the 700€ that's still priced at here. AMD looks better and better for people outside the US with these prices.
AMDs 7000 series CPUs initially weren't exactly what gamers hoped for in terms of price/performance either. Every company wants to maximise their income, a company with leading product has more options to use as a leverage for increasing income. Not defending nvidia here, but if AMD was the one with better GPUs we would see the same, AMD jacking up prices, Nvidia trying to be "the good guy". Neither company is your friend, just pick a better product at the moment of purchase and don't be afraid to jump ship in the future.
US pricing does not indicate other country pricing. In some place AMD GPU is even more expensive.
nah AMD GPU same price as NVIDIA outside US. and people would prefer NVIDIA
TBF if people can afford it then why not? even with massive inflation people don't really have families anymore if we keep it a buck these single men have all of this disposable cash allowing them to buy overpriced NVidia GPUs. now if they were forced to be more economically cheap then eventually Nvidia would have to list their products for at least a $100 cheaper across the board.
believe it or not, amd pvicing were absolutely garbage before they drop the price. just pick what you need, don't care much about future proofing other than psu
7900 XT at 650 is an interesting deal.
$550-600 would be better
$0 would be even more better
-1$ would be more outrageously better
Way too much money for a card that sucks at ray tracing and doesn't have access to DLSS. AMD needs to undercut Nvidia by a lot more.
@@roguetwice469 Every card besides the 4090 sucks at ray tracing
500W what ridiculous number, i dont own like **90 series card but can only imagine what a furnace it is in the summer.
500W??? you people have free electricity? althought people that buy that kind of graphics card don't care
Performance comes with power and besides how much is 500W? +1$ in your electricity bill... assuming you use your PC 8 hours/day.
You use equipment on a daily basis that draws more than 500W... A fridge for example draws like 230W/hour so around 5,520W in 24 hours and I doubt you turn off your fridge unless you let all your food to spoil.
It's a toy! Just like fast cars, big houses and beautiful girlfriends. The rich will never be happy, so let them learn it the hard (and expensive) way. Soon they will be old and very depressed that no matter what they bought, it never made them happy. They are a miserable bunch. I know because I too was wealthy with 5 cars, a motorcycle, and money to burn. Now that I am much older (and poorer) I see that clearly and am adapting to not wanting the latest and "best toy" because next year there will be another and another and another - LOL.
@@laszlozsurka8991 Depends on the country. However even ignoring the bills (here 100w draw over 8 hours would result in 150 euro per year, or 0.4 euro per day, 500w would make that 2 or 730 euro respectively).
But as homeowner with home office my bigger problem is heat output. We got 20sqm home office for remote work with my SO, we have 2 desktops + 2 macbooks, even 100w draw difference over the day makes a big difference in temperature in the summer.
@@laszlozsurka8991 you have no clude what you are talking about i guess, you dont even know the correct units lmao. You numbers are also wrong.
Elecricity costs 0.3 Euros/kwh
So 2 hours of gaming a day adds 0.3 Euros to your elecricity bill just due to the gpu
Also a fridge doesnt run 24/7 depending on the temperature inside the house usually bet 35% and 85% of the time.
@@_qwe_fk_1700Fr bro is using Watts per hour💀
14:40 AMD also only tests the performance with the stock 65W TDP without PBO enabled, I would think that techpowerup and most sources would have PBO enabled, there is a potential for a huge gain there
I don't understand why anyone would ever buy a 4070 now that 4070 Super and 7900/7800 exist.
10:28 so the 5090 super duper was no joke
I think your question/argument doesn’t make sense with the whole 12% increase. Techpowerup doesn’t have the exact same games as the ones on amds slide, which would answer the question of “why is there a difference here”. I think it’d make more sense if you compare on a game by game basis since some games are still lower that a 5800x3d
Is there any similar channel like this for UK market! Could save fortunes over the years.
i aint upgrading from AM4 until way lower AM5 prices...
exactly. I mean for what? 12% increase in performance and 900% increase in cost.
True that, mobo for amd are expensive, most b650 mobo cost the same as the cpu.
Decent B650 boards are down to 140-150€ so it's ok now and a 165€ 7500f is a steal anyway.
I wish Intel would release something competitive.
Edit: My bad the 7500f is even down to 139€ right now.
@@nipa5961 The cheapest ryzen 5 7500f cpu in South Africa is 170€ with the cheapest b650 board is 132€. Any product I buy other than local is 30€-70€ import fees. The cheapest 2x8GB DDR5 5200 CL32 ram sticks is 75€. Combined all cheapest am5 cpu,mobo and ram it cost me 377€. That total price is locally, if it was overseas like amazon, ali-express, etc it would have been 450€-500€.
AM5 right now is the only sensible option for building a new pc right now with a decent budget, but upgrading from a good am4 combo is not needed yet.
MSI PRO B650s + 7500f + 32gb DDR-5 6000 was 430 euro for me.
Of course prices are dropping with the next Generation just arround the corner
500 W for a videocard. !! wow. It's getting insane..
You need that new AMD CPU to compensate for the total power draw.
AMD is doing quite well with the Watts..
Check your Amex for the monitor y'all. I have $105 off $550 spent at Dell.
XE cores are Extreme Efficiency cores I think, not graphice cores.
So intel has 2 different types of cores, both called XE cores?
No, the "extreme efficiency" cores are called LPE, not XE. Xe only refers to GPU cores.
Intel Xe (stylized as Xe and pronounced as two separate letters, abbreviation for "e X ascale for e veryone"), earlier known unofficially as Gen12, is a GPU architecture developed by Intel.
Low Power E-Cores or LPE-Cores use the Crestmont architecture. Focusing on low-power computing rather than delivering raw performance. LPE-Cores are for handling light tasks without significantly impacting power consumption. Power levels have been a recent issue, well publicised in i9 13th and 14th gen Raptor Lake / Refresh processors.
Intel Lunar Lake architecture, codenamed Lion Cove, features P-cores that deliver an average gain of 14% in IPC (Instructions Per Cycle).
These cores are optimized for a hybrid architecture by removing hyperthreading and related logic blocks.
The removal of dedicated mechanisms and extra security features results in a leaner core, providing a 15% increase in performance efficiency, 10% increase in performance per area, and a 30% improvement in performance per power per area. AMD don't specify actually what they improve. It might be power, it might be IPC.. who knows?
I see cpu prices increasing I was ready to buy but soon as a 7800x3d goes up $40 or $80 I start looking else where
5800x3d is DDR4 and they could normalize it to compare against that. While for the 9700 they could have used a 8000MT kit with DDR 5 add to that the specific games you use for benchmarking and bios/os options and you have your differences...
Nothing to see here...move along. Wait for the release.
Hi, to objectively compare (apples to apples) Ryzen 9700x Vs 5800x3d or 7800x3d you need to compare it while using one specific game on specific HW setup. Comparing averages doesn't work very well in statistics.
WOW. Now I slightly less can't afford it.
So, while technically the 'new' AMD cards would be a new release in the sense that we couldn't buy them before; the 7990XTX at least was already a 'released' card back in 2022 roughly maybe 2023. Paper release essentially. Never got put out in the wild. But you can find tech specs for what was supposed to be released on techpowerup and technicalcity. Actually, technicalcity has all the 'new' gpu's listed on their site. Not sure for techpowerup in regards to the 7950 models, but they do have the 7990XTX like I mentioned earlier.
I suspect what likely happened is AMD did some binning, and released a certain batch as their workstation W7900 series, saving the best gaming bins for later. They probably were going to release the 7990XTX at one point, but then decided to wait it out and see what Nvidia ultimately pulls out of their oven. Now that Nvidia's specs are better known at this point, AMD is ready to let the 7990XTX out of the cage to compete.
And if the specs on those previous mentioned websites are anything close to accurate; it will compete quite nicely. Nvidia will still probably take the leading edge, like usual; but it's going to be a close one. Techpowerup quotes a boost clock of 3599Mhz. Base of 2500. Game of 3300. Shader same.
5090 is being hyped at roughly 2900Mhz for its base clock. Impressive of course, and hence why they will still take the lead a bit likely. But depending on the range it gets for its boost clock... AMD might eek out some wins.
I build my pc in january 2023 and used a 7600x with an upgrade to x3d cpus later in mind. My cpu might bottleneck my 4080 a little bit (would not buy it today. Back then there were only bad deals for highend gpus. Right now a 7800xt for 499€ is a far better deal unless 4k raytracing is your priority) but so far i never ran into a scenario where my cpu wasnt able to give me good fps in any game. A 7800x3d might be a lot better, but i feel like there is no usecase in gaming for anything faster than 7600x right now. So a 7800x3d is already pretty much a cpu that will probably last multiple years without bottleneck on gpu in real life scenarios (not 1080p 500fps and stuff like that).
That means a few % faster on the new generation is pointless for gaming?
VRAM is huge in cards power budget, so could be a good speculation on the 5060 having more, hopefully.
10:23 “what is the D?” 😂😂😂
The 9700x slide does seem off however what will be interesting is the performance efficiency e.g. performing roughly at 7800x3d level but for less heat/power which is great. Then 9800x3d will land... Now wondering how they'll price Zen5
i have not watched hardware unboxed video but the graph that you were showing says that 9700x ran at 65W(default TDP) and 5800X3D at 105W, where the 9700X is 12% better. Considering it is the X variant it probably can run at 105W too just like the 7700X. I believe in the test between 9700X and 7800X3D the 9700X ran at 105W.
AMD is using Blender to show efficiency improvement might ended up causing disappointment since Blender has the biggest performance increase due to improved AVX512 if I'm not mistaken thus would not translate to most application. For example, I doubt we well see 9700X 11% faster than 7700X in CB MT. Heck, I suspect It will ran slower at its default TDP. This is not because 9700X is inherently slower but it is simply TDP limited. This is also why with PBO 9700X got the biggest increase since compared to 9600X and 9900X, it is an 8core CPU being given the same TDP as 6c CPU. And the other one is 12c at like 2x the TDP of 6c. Basically the most representative CPU to actually compare architectural improvement is 9950X since it has the same TDP as 7950X. For the other SKUs, AMD sacrificed some performance for efficiency. Having said that, this will mainly affect all core workloads like CB. For gaming the difference will be less.
if the 5090 comes out in January theres been rumours that the 5080 will come out before the 90. Does that mean that i may has a chance to come out late 2024?
thx Daniel. Should i expect R5 9500F boost performance vs 7500F about 20%?
Hello everyone!
Hello!
Dont see any price drop outside us 😂
Minute 15:14 in your background there is the news: "AMD to Revise Specs of Ryzen 7 9700X to increse TDP to 120W, to beat 7800X3D".
There is a MAJOR problem with 3DV-Cash! And he is the speed with the handling at a suitable speed!
The speed of data exchange between the processor and the normal cache of the 3rd level is at one speed, and with 3DV at another, with RAM a third!
And here is the subtle point that is being talked about behind the scenes, that the new 3DV will be made with a different production process!
This leads to a bonus and a minus:
Bonus: it will run faster!
Minus, it will occupy a smaller part of the crystal and this leads to negative results in temperatures!!!
From this point of view, I expect:
Either the size of the 3DV memory should be increased or not, even 200 megahertz auto-overclock through the adrenaline!
You have Rzyen mistype in the chapters, just lettin yk in case u wanna fix
What I think happened is the 9700x was tested with a 7900xtx which means there was some gpu bottlenecking. When using a 4090, it ended up being 2% faster than the 7800x3d.
Depends on resolution and game settings. At 1080p low the XTX won't bottleneck most of the time.
RX 6800 for $340 brand new is an absolute steal! RTX 4060Ti is sadly gonna outsell it anyway
It is clear that NVIDIA gave deliberately cut down versions of the 4070 and the 4070 Ti as shown here and as the later Super series proved. They could release the Super series as the original 4070 and Ti and everybody would have been happy but they chose not to. Maybe they did it to make more money by keeping costs down but this hurt the 40 series because it was met with a feeling of dissatisfaction and gave more people reasons to buy AMD. The 40 series was not very well received in general, it was considered overpriced and giving only the bare minimum in terms of performance upgrade over the 30 series. This was corrected with the Super series but it was a bit too late in my opinion.
On average, the 65w 9700x faster than the 105w 5800x3d by 12%.
Delete 65w tdp limiter from this sentence and you can see more than "12% on average" potential.
Found the Newegg deals by accident and bough myself a 5700X3D and a Thermalright tower cooler as the final upgrade for my AM4 platform. Then will be GPU when next gen comes...or the following one, who knows
if this is true the 5050 will be more powerful than the 4060. it's on a smaller node and it's only 15 watts tdp lower. the 200 dollar price point might actually be worth it if they give it enough vram. 12 gbs should be the minimum. the 4060 8gb is a joke. the 3060 12gb is a better option and thats so sad
pray it comes for 340 dollars
That's not surprising given how the "4060" is actually a 4050.
@@robinrufino8244 used deals on Amazon are between 240-280$ here so it's getting there.
They will probably give it 8gb
@@stevenjohnson4122if it's in the $200 or price range it won't be bad for it to have 8GB
I think, if you're hoping for the 5060 to be a powerful card with more than 8 GB of memory, you should be prepared for the "entry level" into the new GPU market to start at 500 bucks.
jolly good show Dan. keep up the good work! :)
How did I see this the moment it was released? Thanks for the news. AMD marketing stays bad, unsurprisingly. The other possibility is that AMD's test setup isn't the same (faster or slower RAM, etc.) or the microcode/drivers aren't as mature as those for the 5800/7800 X3D chips. AMD could be comparing these without PBO, for instance, whereas a lot of reviewers run things with automatic PBO on since that's the standard setting on a lot of motherboards now (I think, anyway, mine came with it turned on by default). They may be running PBO on one set of chips but not on the other. Their marketing isn't exactly the most honest.
7990 XTX - A faster 7900XTX, but CHEAPER - $799.99
7950 XTX - A much faster 7900XT (yes, XT) - $599.99
7950 XT - A MUCH faster 7900GRE (WAY faster memory, and core clocks) - $429.99
7500 - A noticeably slower 7600 - $149.99
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Price drops for all cards to fill in between these, so:
7900XTX - $699.99
7900XT - $499.99
7900GRE - $349.99
7800XT - $299.99
7700XT - $229.99
7600XT - $199.99
7600 - $169.99
fake news im buying a 7900GRE
bought that same 6800 on newegg for $340 couple months ago, very good for its price. although my 9700k bottlnecks the fk out of it. need a new mobo cpu to fully utilize it's power
Ryzen CPU 7600 is the best way to go!
I have a 8700 non-K so we are both in the same camp. Intel's not looking too good lately so maybe an AMD 9600x would be a better move.
@@Mrhandyhitman True but the 9600x performing better than a 7800x3d would be worth waiting for if building new.
15:00 shows top left AMD may increase TDP to beat 7800X3D
We want the 60 series to roughly where it's at on power with a price drop to boot. 4060 and 4060ti are perfect where they are except on price.
It makes sense if you think about it. The 9700x can be faster than a 7800x3d but its going to use more power. Against the 5800x3d its faster and draws less.... Easy
Odd....even with new GPU's every year...we still get SHITTY unoptimized games.
No deals at all on graphics cards that are worth consideren in the Netherlands, in fact, they almost seem more expensive
I do have to point out that the components and screens for Alienware monitors are pretty much just Samsung screens with an Alienware sticker on them and most of the time a price hike.
i think 9700x is 2% faster than 7800x3d in Raw computing speed but only 12% faster than the 5800x3d when it comes to gaming
7Zip is not single thread focused. It scales well to 32 cores.
I keep telling myself wait to buy a gpu! its only around the corner 😆 the 2080 ti has done me good it still plays my game in 4k at mid-high settings... Everyone said dont buy it! 2018 its now 2024!
I wanted a 7800x3d but its not on as good of a deal as it was a month ago. They must have cleaned up the overstocks on it.
Fricken Americans already have the best prices in the world by a country mile, yet they get these incredible discounts on top of it all.
Free trade (except for China)
Ya I have that Alienware myself. I paid 800. Even at that price it's super nice. Just don't get if you're in a bright room.
They most likely overclocked the 9700x to get better results compared to the 7800x3d
17:01 The chart did say 65W 9700x, AMD may increase the tdp due to lackluster result compared to 7800x3d.
65w is just too low anyway for x model cpu. So imo 65w tdp is 12% better than 5800x3d and 120w tdp (estimate) is 2% better than 7800x3d.
AMD and their last minute changes lol.
alotta decent gpu deals but these shouldve been the msrp prices at the start lol
Heres a crazy idea. What if AMD stopped making dedicated GPUs and fully focused on making even better APU solutions? Here me out... What if they made motherboards (matx/itx) with embedded APUs with like 40/60/80 CUs and 16/32/64 gb of ddr6 unified ram ? Kinda like an itx version of a console motherboard. One stop solution. These would dominate the mid-teir pre built market
when i first got into pc gaming people were already saying that in a few years low end gpus would no exist anymore because we dont need them because APUs will be powerfull enough.
That was like 10 years ago
AMD improvement's specifiying gains made in TDP (Thermal Design Performance), not to IPC (Instructions Per Cycle). Intel clarify, provide stats in all terms of CPU releases. AMD use Big, Little, per AMD Lisa Su relating to P+E found in Intel P Cores (performance) "Lion Cove" and E Cores (efficiency) or LPE (Low Power Efficiency) Cores "Crestmont Gold", upgrades the "Golden Cove" in Metor Lake (12-14 Gen), adding "Gold" to "Crestmont". Intel's Gen12 GPU cores, named Xe="eXascale for everyone". NPU cores in Lunar Lake, "Neural Processing Units", deal with AI workloads.
AMD’s big / little is Zen versus Zen c. I don’t think the consumer Zen5 mix cores at this time. Also, I saw no conversation in the announcement that talked to a NPU integrated in Zen5 desktop. Maybe I missed it.
Hey, as a heads up, if yall want best bang for buck IMHO for pure gaming and dont mind high power draw, AMD, and buying used. The 6950xt goes used on fleabay on the rugular in the low $400 range. They roughly perform between 4070ti and 4080. Sucks i absolutely need cuda for stable diffusion, cuz i aint running linux, so i gotta pay that nvidia tax.
So high-end iGPUs are now slightly faster than a 8 year old budget GPU (RX 480/580) and still falls below minspec of many current titles.
IDK does not sound like that big of a deal to celebrate, considering how freaking overpriced (for their performance) laptops with those top end SKUs will be. Thanks AI crap taking up die space.
Where is the SKU that can compete with a 2070? Feels like the iGPU viability renaissance we got with the Steamdeck hardware kind died down a little.
Really hope Intel will put out a banger architecture (tiles, or whatever), because it already starting to feel like Skylake++ times, just in red (note how AMD felt the need to avoid compare their newest lineup with their own strongest previous gen chips and instead looked 2 gens back, I was just waiting for them to compare the 9600x with a 3600x for some reason).
Isn’t the Steam deck GPU less powerful than a 1650gtx? They run at a much lower screen size to keep frame rate up.
We're talking about an iGPU that is now at comparable performance to dedicated graphics drawing significantly more power, granted on the low end of GPUs by todays standards. That is very impressive and eliminates the need for graphics cards for most tasks not involving pure gaming. And they CAN game at 1080p or below in most titles, granted at low settings in newer games. But an RX580 performance level is still viable.
Having said that, AMD is working on another variant of the HX 370 code named Strix Halo with up to 16 cores and an iGPU that will reportedly have performance equivalent to a 7600 XT or possibly even approaching a 7700 XT. That's scheduled for availability sometime end of the year or early next year.
@@Son37Lumiere The current iGPU is barely matching a 3 generation old dGPU. That is not a big achievement, to be honest. We saw similar performance with iGPU's before. Strix Halo is due out soon, and you are predicting it will jump from a 1650 GTX to a 7600 XT level of performance. A roughly 277% increase in performance? Still on RDNA 3 CU's? Sorry, RDNA 3+ CU's? I have my doubts.
@@EdDale44135 Yes it is a big achievement, the power draw is a small fraction of the RX580s. No, we have never seen performance anywhere close to that from an iGPU until now.
Yes, Strix Halo is going to use the same RDNA 3.5 CUs as the 890m which offers a 17% improvement in performance per watt over the RDNA3 CUs on the 780m. The 890m has 16 CUs, Strix Halo reportedly has 40 CUs. For reference, the 7600 XT has 32 CUs. The reason why it might only be as fast as a 7600 XT is because of a lower power limit and the slower LPDDR5 ram that's shared with the CPU.
im looking to buy a new gpu under $300 this sale period, should I get the XFX 6750xt now for $280 or wait for other deals on 7600xt, 7700xt, etc?
stretch the budget and get the RX6800 or if you like the bundled games with the 7700xt get that. Not really that impressed with the 6750xt or 7600xt
Didn't AMD say they were incresing the TDP of the 9700x so it could beat the 7800x3d? I still see it as a 65w CPU and not 120w.
AMD said 65W. Only random rumors said something else.
Somehow $499 USD = 109000 Japanese yen in online stores here.
But the conversion rate puts it at 79000 So Japanese websites are ripping us off.
I have a 3070, so there is absolutely no reason to buy a new GPU at all.
Are there taxes included like usually in EU prices?
@@jochenkraus7016 GST is 10% here. No import tax, one would think, and because they're made in countries close to Japan, shipping costs should be lower.
Epic Daniel news 😎
6900xt next to a 4070s is a steal. Its way more gpu. Why would you compare that to a 4070s lmao
7700X was faster than 5800X3D, which means 9700X being faster means nothing, it means that it is nothing special
9700x vs 5800x3d vs 7800x3d - might it be that the number don't add up because AMD used geomean?
If I remember correctly, 4 cores make a CCD and 2 of those make a CCX. And 2 of those make a Ryzen 9 x950 processor. If that's the case, I hope they move into 6 core CCDs
We've had 8 core CCXs/CCDs since the the 5000 series.
@@Antares-dw9iv CCD is CCX? A 6 core CCD would make a 12 core CCX no? Meaning that the top tier consumer chip would become 24 core instead of 16. And 12 cores wouldn't have as much latency with 2 CCXs communicating. I just want a good 12 core.
@@Antares-dw9iv I got them switched around. So a 4 core CCX plus another one makes a single 8 core CCD. But my point still stands. If we get 12 core CCD with 2-6core CCXs, then we'll get a good 12 core X3D chip. It's about time.
For the 9700X, this is at a claimed 105W, and see that as a claim of efficiency while still being able to perform better than a 5800X3D. Not the end all be all in the way of the 9700X's performance. The 9700X will undoubtedly be able to go beyond 105W, as my 5800X3D will pull 130W with how it's tuned boosting to 4.65Ghz all core, and my 5800X sucking down 150W when boosting 4.85Ghz all core. Give the 9700X a higher power budget, and who knows exactly where it will land in the charts. Could be faster than a 7800X3D. We will really only know once we get our hands on them.
So, I can see AMD's response being legit. It's 12% faster than a 5800X3D at 105W, and faster than a 7800X3D when you unlock the power budget and let the cores boost as high as they can.
Hope that now I stick with good deal 3070 and I will be somehow able to buy RTX 5090 Evangelion edition (2k$ minimum...) 😢
Yes, 5060 will be $300
and 5060 (12GB) will be $399
I think the key takeaway is to just always wait for third party benchmarks.
Wasn't nvida warned about trying to pull 4090D type bullsht again? I doubt this 5090D thing is real, but this is nvidia we are talking about, so we know they are capable of all manner of nonsense.
If the 5060 has a meaningful power increase it will definitely come with a meaningful price increase.
I bet Nvidia will promise a 2-4X increase again, but only deliver 5% more, again...
probably 350 just like the 2060
I will consider 4070 when it goes to 200 euros
19:03 14900k was already dead on arrival for gaming, 7800x3d is so much better is it not funny.