Even if you account for the eras and parks in which the pitchers on that list were playing, Borowski’s 2007 was still surprisingly bad: his 89 ERA+ was _by far_ the lowest of any pitcher with 40+ saves (Brian Wilson’s 2008 season was the only one to come close, with a 95 ERA+ across 41 saves). Loved this video dude.
Meanwhile 2004 Shawn Chacon put up a nasty 7.11 ERA (70 ERA+) to go with 35 saves…oh and he had been an all star the year before as a starting pitcher for Colorado Kinda explains a lot about the Rockies, doesn’t it? Lol
I was at the 2007 ALCS Game 3 and I loved Borowski that year. One of the vivid memories I remember that night as a young kid was everyone screaming "Joe Bo! Joe Bo!" That was one of the most fun years I could remember.
What's even more amazing about the 07 season (which I remember fondly) is how GOOD his understudy, Rafael Betancourt, was. 2007 Rafael Betancourt 79 IP, 1.47 ERA, .756 WHIP, 2.22 FIP, 9.1 K/9, 1BB/9, 307 ERA+. Dude was downright dominant and yet only had 3 saves on the year thanks to Borowski. Then Betancourt in 2008, still not a closer, completely fell off the wagon at 71 IP, 5.07 ERA, 1.423 WHIP, 4.40 FIP, 8.1 K/9, 3.2 BB/9, 84 ERA+. Wild times to be a Cleveland fan for sure.
The other Rafael was great too. Rafael Perez was a lefty and was dominant as a middle reliever. My dad and I used to refer to them as Rafael Righty and Rafael Lefty. Bullpen would’ve been fantastic if you take away Joe Blow.
As a Cubs fan, I can confirm that there is no more perfect descriptor for Joe Borowski than “The Heart Attack Closer.” I’m not sure who was sweating harder: Joe Borowski on the mound, or Cubs fans when Joe Borowski was on the mound.
Even though Lidge was 48 for 48 in saves in 2008, everytime he pitched for the Phillies he always put runners on and his saves never seemed to be easy.
Im a Cleveland fan. I vividly remember the feeling in the pit of my stomach every time Jo Bo came out. Whenever we were at the bar and it was time for Jo Bo to come out, Petey the owner would walk out and put a bottle of pepto bismol on the bar. Good times
Reminds me of Kenley Jansen the past few years. Every time he came in for a save I got nervous but then I would tune in to a talkin baseball episode later in the season and they would mention that Jansen is having a good year. In the moment it seems like he’s horrible but looking back, he’s been really good the past few years. It’s only the blown saves that stick in your mind (that one game vs the Astros where he gave up 5)
As a teen I had a lot of the cooler 2007 Indians newspaper clippings hung on the wall in my bedroom, and for one (maybe about them clinching the central) I very clearly remember there being a story by Plain Dealer writer Terry Pluto being lower down the page titled "Relax, Cleveland fans - Joe Borowski is your closer!" No sir, I don't think I will 'relax.'
I can’t even begin to explain how miserable it was to know Joe Borowski would be coming out to close in these tight games as an Indians fan back in the day. That 2007 team was incredible, but if there was one major flaw, he was it. I seriously could not stand watching him blow/turn every 9th inning into a heart attack. 😂
I love this video. Learning about somebody who dominated the league but in reality shouldn't have done so is fascinating. I would love to see more videos like this but on the "Coors Effect" where a pitcher who plays for the Rockies has on paper a bad year, but when you substitute Coors field for a standard ball park he would have had an elite season.
Trevor Rosenthal always made me nervous back in 2014 and 2015. He usually got the job done but it always felt like the game wasn't shutdown for the cardinals.
@@griffinhays2053 Tbf, up until his last couple of months with us, he’d basically been the Atlanta Kimbrel And after a mid-career crisis between 2019-2020, it looks like he’s back to being dominant again anyways
I remembered Borowski from his days as a Braves prospect then and it was fascinating at the time how his ERA was huge and he still kept getting saves for the Indians. Really an interesting case on how you don't have to be the best pitcher on the team to get a lot of saves.
You need to review Bob Wickman. Another disaster of a closer. Beer belly softball closer. They used to have a scoreboard graphic which was "The wick is lit.". Everyone, I mean everyone, knew there would be multiple base runners before he wriggled off the hook.
The 07 Indians were the team of my childhood. No matter how bad Borowski actually was, I will always look back fondly at him. That whole season was magical for 9 year old me.
Same here bro. This team is the one team I remember the most about. Will forever be pissed they couldn’t win one game out three to beat the Sox. They win that series, they probably cake walk through the Rockies in the World Series.
I’m a Tigers fan, and even though we were rivals, I still look back fondly on V-Mart, Travis Hafner, Grady Sizemore, Jhonny Peralta, and guilty pleasure Ryan Garko.
It's really crazy how in 2022, people are still not realizing the value, or lack thereof, in a lot of these stats. It's obviously not a bad thing to have a high save total, but it's overrated now more than ever, especially as teams like the Rays don't really have a consistent closer. This was another really interesting video, great job man
Joe Borowski is from my hometown Bayonne, New Jersey. He's actually a really nice guy. His mom and dad are super nice people. Would always see them in the diner uptown on Sundays . Last I heard Borowski was doing dbacks games living in Arizona.
I knew Joe from about 1980 - '90 when I hung out on Schuyler Pl in Bayonne during those years. We were in the same ccd confirmation class at St. Mary's church, seems like a 100 years ago. Joe was a good athlete, tough to tackle and move off the snow mtn playing king of the mtn, and even harder to get a hit off playing wiffle ball in the driveway. Last saw Joe in Camden Yards as an Oriole back in '95 when I was doing center field camera for then Home Team Sports. We also had Danan Hughes who made it to the NFL playing for the KC Chiefs catching td passes from the greatest qb ever, Joe Montana. Very cool to see these guys you grew up with playing sports, make it to the show. Just about everyone I knew in Bayonne has moved on. Certainly not the town I grew up in, it's far worse now. Anyway, I wish them the best.
The nail-biting aspect reminds me of Don "Full Pack" Stanhouse, the All Star closer for the 78/79 Orioles. He had a WHIP up to the sky and make everybody fret. But he'd succeed more often than not.
The issue for closers and ERA is the small innings count they tend to get. If a ball club is .6 out of 160 games that means at best a closer will get about 100-120 innings if there’s a lead to protect in the 8th or 9th. Often times there isn’t though so they don’t come out at all. Or they’re the home team and rally in the bottom of the 9th. Trevor Hoffman only pitched 1089 innings over 18 years and Rivera did 1200 over 19. Both averaged around 70 a season…both Jansen and Chapman make 15 million a year to pitch 50-70 Innings. josh Hader makes 11 million dollars a year pre Free Agency to pitch 60-70 innings a season. You get the point. The ERA doesn’t matter. Converting the save opportunity is what matters. It’s crazy that starters make about that much on average and pitch 2-3 times as much. They’re paying Patrick Corbin 22 million a year to be the worst starting pitcher in baseball.
Craig Kimbrel is a Borowski. I remember watching the 2018 playoffs and he was the heart attack reliever for Boston. It was pretty funny actually. Also a minor example would be Rafael Montero in April/May for the Mariners last year. Dude gave me emotional fits when he was called upon LMAO
What a conundrum Kimbrel was in the 2018 playoffs. 6 for 6 in saves but of course a sky high ERA and WHIP....and ironically 7 saves in one postseason is the record
Interesting note about Borowski: In 2006 with FLA, he saved 36 in 69.2 innings and 3.75 ERA in 2007 with CLE, he saved 45 in 65.2 innings and 5.07 ERA However, his FIP each year was identical: 4.12 The biggest difference in the two seasons was that he walked nearly twice as many batters in 2006 (33) than in 2007 (17)
LOL. Then there's Oscar Zamora, a closer for the Cubs who was even worse. The fans used to sing a parody of "That's amore" when he would come in. "When the pitch looks so fat that the ball meets the bat, that's Zamora. When the ball hits the wall and the runners all score, that's Zamora."
It's also interesting to note that the Indians brought in Keith Foulke to compete with him in Spring Training for the closer role. That competition never occurred since Foulke retired shortly after agreeing to a deal with Cleveland.
To be fair his career was plagued with major injuries to his throwing arm. Even broke it once with the Cubs. Torn biceps, triceps, every year it was something. Knowing Joe personally, he definitely would never use that as an excuse. But it is a factor that should've been mentioned here. It definitely affected him. Which is one big reason why he could start out well, then go completely downhill. He was playing through a lot of pain. He's been announcing for Arizona. He's a very humble, funny guy who can take a ribbing regarding his career. In the end, beyond baseball, he's simply a great all-around guy.
If that's the reason, then many players also experience it. Having good to great careers in their early days only to got derailed by injuries and never be consistently good again.
@@aoitsukishiro9926 I never stated that he was the only one. Of course it has happened to many others. I'm merely sticking to the individual the video is about. And whom I know personally.
Well he's from Bayonne so odds are he's a cool guy. Kidding aside great comment, I mean only 0.0001% of pros make it to the majors so nothing to be ashamed of at all. Also, pretty cool you like Andy Kaufman
He always seemed like a nice guy during his time in Cleveland. I honestly really enjoyed him. An underwhelming but successful closer with questionable stats is as Cleveland as it gets. He felt like a local
If you want a closer that was leaving a team on the edge of their seat, then I recommend the 1998 Mets, with their closer John Franco = 0-8, with a 3.62 ERA, 38 saves. Hes the reason why the Mets didnt get the wild card in 1998 and why they signed Armando Benitez after the 1998 season
I have a good country song about this...it is titled, well any country song really, they aren't that original...they are all about that one guy on the high school team that failed. So basically country music is a high school football song. So anytime someone says I have a country song that I made up. just loop back to this....and if it's a girl, just loop back to this, but she is probably the scorned ex.. And we have a hit song on our hands!!
Jack Cust would have fit right in within the modern game. In 2008 he hit .231 with 111 walks, 197 strikeouts, and 33 HR. He has a career OPS+ of 120, which is very good, but I don't feel like he was ever really seen as a good hitter. He was a step below the three true outcome king of that era (Adam Dunn) in terms of production, but he was still pretty good.
Man's is a legend for falling down and trying to score while crawling to home plate. I mean, it was totally embarassing and he wasn't even close but I'll always remember that lowlight.
4:32 it didn’t make sense at the time either. This is a fatal flaw that the Cleveland front office has. They don’t want to spend big BUT they also don’t want to always buy low on redemption projects so every once in awhile they’ll overspend on a mid-tier veteran a couple years removed from their peak in hopes of a return to glory. It almost never works out. Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn, Josh Bell…
Ahhh the 3rd member of Cleveland's Kerosene Gang 1. Bob Wickman 2. David Riske 3. Joe Borowski There wasn't a sure thing in Cleveland until Cody Allen (Even then he poured the gasoline a lot, he just never lit the match)
As far as I know, the save rule hasn't been amended since 1977, when it was common for relievers to pitch 3 or more innings to finish a game. The practice of a "closer" pitching just the 9th inning didn't exist then. You can take the mound in the 9th with a 3-run lead, give up 2 earned runs (an ERA of 18.00)--which is to say, do a poor job--and still be credited with a save.
I think to some extent these guys putting up "Borowskis" were a bit unlucky. According to Fangraphs, Jenks' FIP was 3.20 and xFIP 3.08, Wilson was 3.93 and 3.55, Davis was 3.65 and 3.63, and Borowski was 4.12 for both. Only Alfonseca's FIP was close to his ERA.
@@somerandomguy5977 I don't think that's the right way to interpret FIP. Of course hits are the pitcher's fault, but not all hits are the same, just like not all outs are the same. A screaming liner hit directly at an outfielder counts the same as a three-pitch strikeout, but one was obviously "luckier" for the pitcher than the other. FIP doesn't perfectly capture the effect of luck but helps differentiate those sortsof situations.
I remember when this happened. Made explaining why saves are a junk stat to friends and family much easier. Same with K-Rod breaking the save record the next year with the fraudish way they used him
To me Percival will always be the guy who invented the mix of foreign substance modern pitchers used before spider tack and before the MLB finally cracked down in spite of Trevor Bauer repeatedly asking them to do so (and when they said no, he decided if you can’t beat them then join them.
Even if you account for the eras and parks in which the pitchers on that list were playing, Borowski’s 2007 was still surprisingly bad: his 89 ERA+ was _by far_ the lowest of any pitcher with 40+ saves (Brian Wilson’s 2008 season was the only one to come close, with a 95 ERA+ across 41 saves). Loved this video dude.
Meanwhile 2004 Shawn Chacon put up a nasty 7.11 ERA (70 ERA+) to go with 35 saves…oh and he had been an all star the year before as a starting pitcher for Colorado
Kinda explains a lot about the Rockies, doesn’t it? Lol
Bro jack cust… deserves a video for himself
I was at the 2007 ALCS Game 3 and I loved Borowski that year. One of the vivid memories I remember that night as a young kid was everyone screaming "Joe Bo! Joe Bo!" That was one of the most fun years I could remember.
Repent of your sins and trust in Jesus
What's even more amazing about the 07 season (which I remember fondly) is how GOOD his understudy, Rafael Betancourt, was.
2007 Rafael Betancourt 79 IP, 1.47 ERA, .756 WHIP, 2.22 FIP, 9.1 K/9, 1BB/9, 307 ERA+. Dude was downright dominant and yet only had 3 saves on the year thanks to Borowski. Then Betancourt in 2008, still not a closer, completely fell off the wagon at 71 IP, 5.07 ERA, 1.423 WHIP, 4.40 FIP, 8.1 K/9, 3.2 BB/9, 84 ERA+.
Wild times to be a Cleveland fan for sure.
The other Rafael was great too. Rafael Perez was a lefty and was dominant as a middle reliever. My dad and I used to refer to them as Rafael Righty and Rafael Lefty. Bullpen would’ve been fantastic if you take away Joe Blow.
Perez and Betancourt are still my favorite relievers
As a Cubs fan, I can confirm that there is no more perfect descriptor for Joe Borowski than “The Heart Attack Closer.”
I’m not sure who was sweating harder: Joe Borowski on the mound, or Cubs fans when Joe Borowski was on the mound.
How about Carlos Marmol? I loved his k/9 but man it was torturous to watch him walk the bases loaded before he struck out the side.
If Dusty had started Joe Bo in the 8th instead of Prior that NLCS might have been very different
Even though Lidge was 48 for 48 in saves in 2008, everytime he pitched for the Phillies he always put runners on and his saves never seemed to be easy.
You got that right. I was wondering how he was going to stop the madness each time he got into trouble.
Very Mark Melancon of him
41 SAVES
41 in the regular season Counting the saves he had in the post season, it’s a total of 48.
@@sammaugeri1479 Correct. When we say 48 for 48, we mean both the regular season and the playoffs.
Im a Cleveland fan. I vividly remember the feeling in the pit of my stomach every time Jo Bo came out. Whenever we were at the bar and it was time for Jo Bo to come out, Petey the owner would walk out and put a bottle of pepto bismol on the bar. Good times
😄 We all got ulcers from Joe Blow on the mound
I'm with you I got mad when he came in
Reminds me of Kenley Jansen the past few years. Every time he came in for a save I got nervous but then I would tune in to a talkin baseball episode later in the season and they would mention that Jansen is having a good year. In the moment it seems like he’s horrible but looking back, he’s been really good the past few years. It’s only the blown saves that stick in your mind (that one game vs the Astros where he gave up 5)
Can I note that John Smoltz got 155 saves in 4 seasons, and 145 in 3. And he only closed games for 4 seasons, recovering from an injury.
As a teen I had a lot of the cooler 2007 Indians newspaper clippings hung on the wall in my bedroom, and for one (maybe about them clinching the central) I very clearly remember there being a story by Plain Dealer writer Terry Pluto being lower down the page titled "Relax, Cleveland fans - Joe Borowski is your closer!" No sir, I don't think I will 'relax.'
I can’t even begin to explain how miserable it was to know Joe Borowski would be coming out to close in these tight games as an Indians fan back in the day. That 2007 team was incredible, but if there was one major flaw, he was it. I seriously could not stand watching him blow/turn every 9th inning into a heart attack. 😂
He gave me Wickman Nostalgia except Wickman always made it more fun
I love this video. Learning about somebody who dominated the league but in reality shouldn't have done so is fascinating.
I would love to see more videos like this but on the "Coors Effect" where a pitcher who plays for the Rockies has on paper a bad year, but when you substitute Coors field for a standard ball park he would have had an elite season.
Trevor Rosenthal always made me nervous back in 2014 and 2015. He usually got the job done but it always felt like the game wasn't shutdown for the cardinals.
I 100% agree with this
2018 Craig Kimberl did the same for me
@@warlordofbritannia which is so weird bc Kimbrel never had that effect in Atlanta. He stepped on the field and that game was DONE
@@griffinhays2053
Tbf, up until his last couple of months with us, he’d basically been the Atlanta Kimbrel
And after a mid-career crisis between 2019-2020, it looks like he’s back to being dominant again anyways
Effectively wild go description of him
I remembered Borowski from his days as a Braves prospect then and it was fascinating at the time how his ERA was huge and he still kept getting saves for the Indians. Really an interesting case on how you don't have to be the best pitcher on the team to get a lot of saves.
“But we know by now what the Indians tend to do with 3-1 leads”
Damn dude, as a Indians fan, that cut deep.
Ah, Stay Away Joe. I remember him as the one year wonder closer for the 2003 Cubs. I honestly forgot he pitched in Cleveland.
So glad I found this channel. More of this please! It’s fascinating to examine the players of my youth in the lens of modern statistics.
Should do something in Rob Deer, one of the first 3 true outcome hitters
You need to review Bob Wickman. Another disaster of a closer. Beer belly softball closer. They used to have a scoreboard graphic which was "The wick is lit.". Everyone, I mean everyone, knew there would be multiple base runners before he wriggled off the hook.
One of the best baseball channels out there. Keep going dude, love your content!
Bob Wickman often had this vibe for Cleveland. Even if he wasn't giving up runs, he always put guys on and made it interesting
Just when I thought Danny Graves was the worst closer, here comes the Olive Man with this banger video
Being an Indians fan as a kid, I thought Borowski was pretty good. Funny how your perspective changes as an adult. Good video dude!
The 07 Indians were the team of my childhood. No matter how bad Borowski actually was, I will always look back fondly at him. That whole season was magical for 9 year old me.
That season was magical for me too, as a ten year old Red Sox fan!
Same here bro. This team is the one team I remember the most about. Will forever be pissed they couldn’t win one game out three to beat the Sox. They win that series, they probably cake walk through the Rockies in the World Series.
I’m a Tigers fan, and even though we were rivals, I still look back fondly on V-Mart, Travis Hafner, Grady Sizemore, Jhonny Peralta, and guilty pleasure Ryan Garko.
@@notsauer Loved Ryan Garko and Casey Blake. That was a fun season and competitive between both the Tribe and Tigers.
@@notsauer Don't worry, Ryan Garko is a guilty pleasure for me too. I even still have his autograph
not quite a Borowski, but Shawn Chacon, 2004 Rockies:
35/44 saves
52 K's
52 BB's
7.11 ERA
I love your videos man. Bringing up names I haven’t heard in years 😂
It's really crazy how in 2022, people are still not realizing the value, or lack thereof, in a lot of these stats. It's obviously not a bad thing to have a high save total, but it's overrated now more than ever, especially as teams like the Rays don't really have a consistent closer. This was another really interesting video, great job man
everyone loves a good ol 4 fip closer. thank you again for this masterpiece of a video!
Joe Borowski is from my hometown Bayonne, New Jersey.
He's actually a really nice guy. His mom and dad are super nice people. Would always see them in the diner uptown on Sundays . Last I heard Borowski was doing dbacks games living in Arizona.
I knew Joe from about 1980 - '90 when I hung out on Schuyler Pl in Bayonne during those years. We were in the same ccd confirmation class at St. Mary's church, seems like a 100 years ago. Joe was a good athlete, tough to tackle and move off the snow mtn playing king of the mtn, and even harder to get a hit off playing wiffle ball in the driveway.
Last saw Joe in Camden Yards as an Oriole back in '95 when I was doing center field camera for then Home Team Sports.
We also had Danan Hughes who made it to the NFL playing for the KC Chiefs catching td passes from the greatest qb ever, Joe Montana. Very cool to see these guys you grew up with playing sports, make it to the show.
Just about everyone I knew in Bayonne has moved on. Certainly not the town I grew up in, it's far worse now. Anyway, I wish them the best.
Played with Joe in winter ball in Obregon. Mx! Great dude!
The nail-biting aspect reminds me of Don "Full Pack" Stanhouse, the All Star closer for the 78/79 Orioles. He had a WHIP up to the sky and make everybody fret. But he'd succeed more often than not.
I don't know if you do requests but can you talk about the angels no hitting the mariners during spring training in 2017
I'm a Yankee and raider fan, 20 years of seabass and Mo never had me worried. #Blessed
The issue for closers and ERA is the small innings count they tend to get. If a ball club is .6 out of 160 games that means at best a closer will get about 100-120 innings if there’s a lead to protect in the 8th or 9th. Often times there isn’t though so they don’t come out at all. Or they’re the home team and rally in the bottom of the 9th. Trevor Hoffman only pitched 1089 innings over 18 years and Rivera did 1200 over 19. Both averaged around 70 a season…both Jansen and Chapman make 15 million a year to pitch 50-70
Innings. josh Hader makes 11 million dollars a year pre Free Agency to pitch 60-70 innings a season. You get the point. The ERA doesn’t matter. Converting the save opportunity is what matters. It’s crazy that starters make about that much on average and pitch 2-3 times as much. They’re paying Patrick Corbin 22 million a year to be the worst starting pitcher in baseball.
Craig Kimbrel is a Borowski. I remember watching the 2018 playoffs and he was the heart attack reliever for Boston. It was pretty funny actually. Also a minor example would be Rafael Montero in April/May for the Mariners last year. Dude gave me emotional fits when he was called upon LMAO
What a conundrum Kimbrel was in the 2018 playoffs. 6 for 6 in saves but of course a sky high ERA and WHIP....and ironically 7 saves in one postseason is the record
@@bostonredsox49 which Kimbrel could have tied or broken if Boston had faith in him.
@@lordrevanz16 Game 5 of the World Series wasn't a save situation and he pitched a ton in Games 3 and 4.
The fact that this is a thing is what I love about baseball
The last closer to he selected in the MLB Power Pros Dream Draft
I had to actually get a new bob wickman calendar for this year, thanks for the reminder
Interesting note about Borowski:
In 2006 with FLA, he saved 36 in 69.2 innings and 3.75 ERA
in 2007 with CLE, he saved 45 in 65.2 innings and 5.07 ERA
However, his FIP each year was identical: 4.12
The biggest difference in the two seasons was that he walked nearly twice as many batters in 2006 (33) than in 2007 (17)
LOL. Then there's Oscar Zamora, a closer for the Cubs who was even worse. The fans used to sing a parody of "That's amore" when he would come in.
"When the pitch looks so fat that the ball meets the bat, that's Zamora.
When the ball hits the wall and the runners all score, that's Zamora."
It's also interesting to note that the Indians brought in Keith Foulke to compete with him in Spring Training for the closer role. That competition never occurred since Foulke retired shortly after agreeing to a deal with Cleveland.
Saves is a nice category to have for bragging rights, but what matters wayyyy more for a closer imo is WHIP, HR/9, and ERA
Rick aguilara mention. Nice!
To be fair his career was plagued with major injuries to his throwing arm. Even broke it once with the Cubs. Torn biceps, triceps, every year it was something.
Knowing Joe personally, he definitely would never use that as an excuse. But it is a factor that should've been mentioned here. It definitely affected him. Which is one big reason why he could start out well, then go completely downhill. He was playing through a lot of pain.
He's been announcing for Arizona. He's a very humble, funny guy who can take a ribbing regarding his career. In the end, beyond baseball, he's simply a great all-around guy.
If that's the reason, then many players also experience it. Having good to great careers in their early days only to got derailed by injuries and never be consistently good again.
@@aoitsukishiro9926 I never stated that he was the only one. Of course it has happened to many others. I'm merely sticking to the individual the video is about.
And whom I know personally.
Well he's from Bayonne so odds are he's a cool guy. Kidding aside great comment, I mean only 0.0001% of pros make it to the majors so nothing to be ashamed of at all. Also, pretty cool you like Andy Kaufman
This video brought back some nightmares
Joe is my husband's cousin. I've met him last time we were in Arizona, he's such a nice guy.
He always seemed like a nice guy during his time in Cleveland. I honestly really enjoyed him.
An underwhelming but successful closer with questionable stats is as Cleveland as it gets.
He felt like a local
Joe's bro, Mike is my fraternity brother. Good family....good people
His FIP that year was 4.12 so I’m glad went with an ERA over 4 because that seems to be what his body of work actually was.
Good job, Jolly! Videos for da fans 😅 but really I love this format and you did a great job. Thanks for the great content!
“He’s basically Edwin Diaz before it was cool” lol 😂
Mitch Williams: Finally, a worthy opponent!
I think the thing about the save stat is that leading yearly is alot easier than being among the top all time when your career is over with.
that game 5 vs yanks in ALDS was so scary he had so many bombs hit foul barely
Rafael soriano always did that. It never felt like a sure win until it was over
If you want a closer that was leaving a team on the edge of their seat, then I recommend the 1998 Mets, with their closer John Franco = 0-8, with a 3.62 ERA, 38 saves. Hes the reason why the Mets didnt get the wild card in 1998 and why they signed Armando Benitez after the 1998 season
They actually acquired Benitez by trade with the Orioles (I believe for catcher Charles Johnson).
Is this Shea station jolly olive!! Keep it up in blitz ball. You’ll find the twig soon!
Def had him as my fantasy baseball closer one year.
Jolly I love your stuff, it’s digital nostalgia with a professional sheen. What video editing software do you use to make your videos?
Wade Davis didn’t put me in agony. I always just expected him to blow it.
Heart attack closer? Two words. Kenley. Jansen.
Nice work. Where do these creators get access to all these clips?
Never heard of this guy what a wild season he had, sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good like Will Smith this past year.
Billy Wagner should be in the hall of fame
Absolutely. On of the top 5 closers ever but keeps getting snubbed by the idiot HoF voters.
I need to correct you on something. While most kickers do create anxiety for their fans, Justin Tucker does not.
I have a good country song about this...it is titled, well any country song really, they aren't that original...they are all about that one guy on the high school team that failed. So basically country music is a high school football song.
So anytime someone says I have a country song that I made up. just loop back to this....and if it's a girl, just loop back to this, but she is probably the scorned ex..
And we have a hit song on our hands!!
As a Braves fan, that first clip of Will Smith made my stomach twist 🤪
Yep he was certainly a "heart attack closer" last season lol at least in the post season he pretty much shut everybody down though.
jolly olive
From a Tigers fan Joe Mauer is a Hall of Famer.
Jack Cust, jesus christ that's a name I haven't heard in forever
Jack Cust would have fit right in within the modern game. In 2008 he hit .231 with 111 walks, 197 strikeouts, and 33 HR. He has a career OPS+ of 120, which is very good, but I don't feel like he was ever really seen as a good hitter. He was a step below the three true outcome king of that era (Adam Dunn) in terms of production, but he was still pretty good.
Man's is a legend for falling down and trying to score while crawling to home plate. I mean, it was totally embarassing and he wasn't even close but I'll always remember that lowlight.
4:32 it didn’t make sense at the time either. This is a fatal flaw that the Cleveland front office has. They don’t want to spend big BUT they also don’t want to always buy low on redemption projects so every once in awhile they’ll overspend on a mid-tier veteran a couple years removed from their peak in hopes of a return to glory. It almost never works out. Nick Swisher, Michael Bourn, Josh Bell…
Ahhh the 3rd member of Cleveland's Kerosene Gang
1. Bob Wickman
2. David Riske
3. Joe Borowski
There wasn't a sure thing in Cleveland until Cody Allen (Even then he poured the gasoline a lot, he just never lit the match)
Putting Wade Davis on there isn't fair he was playing in Colorado.
He was on my fantasy baseball team this year. It was horrible
Man Joe Borowski was a name I haven't heard in a long time
Can I introduce you to Todd "The Rollercoaster" Jones
Any of the Tigers' closers since 2012
To me save percentage is how to determine a great closer…. Usually
Cubs fans, back me up here:
How many heart attacks did Carlos Marmol give you? Dude was filthy, but had absolutely no control whatsoever.
2006 Brad Lidge: 32 saves, 5.28 ERA, 85 ERA+ 🤢
If you're pitching with a lot of confidence closing a game is fun and exciting.
Alex Reyes of the Cardinals almost got into the borowski group.
1:35 should be in the HOF just based on his name!
Your vids are not showing up in my sub box. Loved Joe on the 2003 Cubs
As far as I know, the save rule hasn't been amended since 1977, when it was common for relievers to pitch 3 or more innings to finish a game. The practice of a "closer" pitching just the 9th inning didn't exist then. You can take the mound in the 9th with a 3-run lead, give up 2 earned runs (an ERA of 18.00)--which is to say, do a poor job--and still be credited with a save.
You can pitch 3 innings, give up 10 runs and get a save. It's not exactly a secret that saves don't really mean shit.
@@somerandomguy5977 You have to be really bad to blow a save.
As an Angels fan, believe me, as good as he was, K-Rod always scared the shit out of me every game lol
Two names John Franco & Mitch Wild Thing Williams
John Franco's 1998 season is magical
Yup, this is a watch
holy shit i looked at that era/save total in the thumbnail and laughed my ass off
8:00 bruh 😭
Can you do Shawn Chacón’s 2004 season or George Sherrill’s 2008?
If you're a Cleveland fan you can't forget..... We also had the heart attack that is Chris Perez.
When barowski came in. Fans said “game over”
Who was managing that bullpen?!
The amount of anxiety that this man probably had to go through couldn't have been healthy.
I think to some extent these guys putting up "Borowskis" were a bit unlucky. According to Fangraphs, Jenks' FIP was 3.20 and xFIP 3.08, Wilson was 3.93 and 3.55, Davis was 3.65 and 3.63, and Borowski was 4.12 for both. Only Alfonseca's FIP was close to his ERA.
Yes because base hits are never the pitchers fault... FIP is a dumb stat. Especially when you look at older pitchers.
@@somerandomguy5977 I don't think that's the right way to interpret FIP. Of course hits are the pitcher's fault, but not all hits are the same, just like not all outs are the same. A screaming liner hit directly at an outfielder counts the same as a three-pitch strikeout, but one was obviously "luckier" for the pitcher than the other. FIP doesn't perfectly capture the effect of luck but helps differentiate those sortsof situations.
I remember when this happened. Made explaining why saves are a junk stat to friends and family much easier. Same with K-Rod breaking the save record the next year with the fraudish way they used him
To me Percival will always be the guy who invented the mix of foreign substance modern pitchers used before spider tack and before the MLB finally cracked down in spite of Trevor Bauer repeatedly asking them to do so (and when they said no, he decided if you can’t beat them then join them.
do a video on fernando rodney another closer that gave fan bases heart attacks
An 85 mph fastball. What were we thinking.
Will Smith 2021 season. Every time he come to pitch I was scared
When are we getting a Bob Wickman video?????
I bet Jose Mesa came really close to achieving a Borowski
Kimbrel always gave me a heart attack. It seemed he always let runners on, and made it difficult.