Who knew Dave had violent tendencies lol. "I wanna meet whoever WOULDN'T take that offer and punch them" 😂😂😂 Thanks for the heads up on some good games, guys. Were any of those in the Rome non smoking area? Y'all have a great day! 😊
The new channel looks like it's off to a good start. Wynstar is a good subject for me since I'm about 20 minutes away. I'm here in Northern Texas for a few months this winter and am very happy with the proximity of the casinos, other places I've been they have been few and far between.
Although I'm not crazy about these #2 machines (bingo style) but most certainly love your channel! Mark... following you on all your adventures, from the comfort of my couch! 🎉❤ Best of luck to you both! This is very informative and entertaining!
I really enjoy the comparison videos, thanks. When you have a good card that does not hit, do you know what is happening in the programming to determine that the card is a loser?
It's because the "white numbers" or the numbers that you see being added to the call-out while the bingo gaming is being called, are not elligable numbers. Even thought hey are highlighted on the card itself, it can't be part of a winning bingo pattern. We did a breakdown video on this that might help answer your questions more! ruclips.net/video/wVSahXuTaYA/видео.html
Love your channel and this video. One point to feedback, please don't keep a music playing over your entire video. It takes away from the experience and message you are trying to share with us.
Um, you said you were playing top dollar at 50 cents a spin,,,,5 dollar spins, yet when you spin, you were actually playing 10 a spin according to the credit depletion each spin.? Wouldn't 9 lines at 50 cents a line be 4.50 a spin? Still trying to figure out these line bets...
Why do you keep saying "these pay just like double diamond?" No they don't. They pay according to the mathematical probabilities of bingo, a combination of the numbers called versus the numbers given on the card, with pay rates set by the Casino. Double diamond uses an RNG against a mathematically designed pay table to meet determined RTP. Bingo meets whatever the casino says they was the RTP to be, is changeable and not known. If I'm wrong, I would love an in depth video covering the math of bingo versus true RNG. I have yet to find a video from anyone that show the real difference between the 2. They are very different.
Yes, I understand that - but when it comes to the paytable, it's exactly the same and it feels familiar to people that play double diamond. Yes, there are differences, but people sometimes don't want to get into the weeds of it. :)
@@GambleSmart Totally get it, love your stuff and can't tell you how much I appreciate the videos! This is highly technical math, definitely beyond my skills. Going to Winstar for the weekend and will avoid Bingo machines like the plague. Don't trust the system that has no oversight, is changeable on the fly by the casino and doesn't operate according to a slot pay table. A nerdy math video on this, while nerdy, would be an outstanding, one of a kind video, no one has done this. I have done hours upon hours of research trying to understand and gain insight into what is actually going on with Bingo machines, but having someone who understands the math of the systems, like the IGT VP and then some other person who understands the Bingo probabilities/math system would be amazing. I totally understand this goes over peoples heads, it is such a complex problem that my own research still feels like I've just barely scratched the surface. Sadly, when people hear "these pay just like double diamond" the natural interpretation is that the machine pays out as a Double Diamond would. The pay table is the same. The payouts/wins are generated against a completely different math system, one without the internal machine RTP setting. All control of payout is done through a central server with no oversight and unlike the internal paytables, can be changed at Casino discretion. For as much as people love to dispel the rumor that Casinos can change payouts, the Class II system is capable of exactly that and has no gaming authority oversight to provide clarity.
Just curious as to how you know or heard that there is no oversight and they can change payouts on the fly? That goes against everything I’ve seen and heard from people in the Class 2 industry.
@@GambleSmart Oversight is not the right word. Transparency is what I should have said. Oversight is definitely occurring. But with state minimum RTPs at like 80 percent in a lot of states, compliance with a standard isn't really relevant if there is no public reporting, as in Oklahoma. Unlike the physical change to RTP at a class 3 machine and all that goes along to make that happen, the servers ability to easily change paytables in Class 2 is what I find concerning in a place where RTP is not publicly reported. Maybe class 2 is paying just like class 3. But without transparency, the public doesn't actually know. Trust in a fair system is the whole point of transparency/reporting requirements. Then there is the networking issue with class 2. So many little factors will effect specific machine win rates because it relies on an external server, network latency, differing cable run lengths, switch port preference/differences, random manufacturing difficencies in the CAT5 or 6, who terminated the ends of the runs, I mean those possibilities just go on forever and no matter what will cause differences in who actually wins because of the timing nature of networked systems. Milliseconds matter and when milliseconds matter on a network, there has to be an element of chaos due to the above mentioned factors. Overall the payouts will match because the server makes that happen. But with a networked system, there will almost certainly be machines that perform better or worse due to any of the myriad of factors affecting networking speed/communication. Class 3 pays per the internal pay table, always right, always there, everything is internal. If class 2 has to go to a server for cards or balls or any information, networking factors would have to come into play from a players experience. I could be way off, totally wrong, maybe they thought of all of this and came up with some genius way to overcome networking and latency. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter as much as the paytables differences between class 3 rng and bingo. But it sure doesn't leave a feeling of confidence in them like a fully internal class 3 machine does.
Thanks for putting this video together. Now we have ideas of what to play at Winstar!
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Need a bus trip from DFW to Winstar for GSGS folks,woowho would be fun! Thanks for all info on class 2 machines,I've never played any.
Who knew Dave had violent tendencies lol. "I wanna meet whoever WOULDN'T take that offer and punch them" 😂😂😂 Thanks for the heads up on some good games, guys. Were any of those in the Rome non smoking area? Y'all have a great day! 😊
Everything except for Double Top Dollar is in the Rome Non-Smoking Room.
Hey Marc and Dave. Lots of Luck
The new channel looks like it's off to a good start. Wynstar is a good subject for me since I'm about 20 minutes away. I'm here in Northern Texas for a few months this winter and am very happy with the proximity of the casinos, other places I've been they have been few and far between.
Welcome aboard!
Thanks so much for sharing guys!🎉🎉🎉🎉
Although I'm not crazy about these #2 machines (bingo style) but most certainly love your channel! Mark... following you on all your adventures, from the comfort of my couch! 🎉❤ Best of luck to you both! This is very informative and entertaining!
I'm really curious if y'all would give the same rankings to the machines over at Choctaw. Ditto for a casino with only Class III machines in it.
Yeah, top 5 class 3 would be different. We will probably do that next time in Vegas or even Fox woods coming up!
Great video to prepare me on what to look for at WinStar! Thanks guys!
Good luck man! Great premier tonight.
I'm starting to think the no sound ones are on purpose for those players that don't like the sound.. just a guess though
Yeah, could be!
Love your content! I play at WinStar all of the time! 🎰🍀
Hope to see you there!!
I really enjoy the comparison videos, thanks. When you have a good card that does not hit, do you know what is happening in the programming to determine that the card is a loser?
It's because the "white numbers" or the numbers that you see being added to the call-out while the bingo gaming is being called, are not elligable numbers. Even thought hey are highlighted on the card itself, it can't be part of a winning bingo pattern. We did a breakdown video on this that might help answer your questions more! ruclips.net/video/wVSahXuTaYA/видео.html
Yooo the Top Dollar Session was wild! 🍀😂
Thank you. I will look for them.
I'm guessing the background music is to avoid a copyright strike? It's a little loud and overwhelms your commentary, IMO...
Appreciate the feedback - Yeah, it was for that and also to help fill the silence. I appreciate the feedback though, we'll work on it. :)
Hmmm I usually don’t play the cherry machine at WinStar. I will give it a shot next time.👍
Good vid ! Just wish you would give an idea of where they are located...especially Top Dollar and Jubilee
.... so big with soooooo many machines
Hello Mark, glad I found your channel 🤗
Welcome!
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Please explain Bingo pattern matching up.
Love your channel and this video. One point to feedback, please don't keep a music playing over your entire video. It takes away from the experience and message you are trying to share with us.
Yeah, we are definately not doing that again LOL - Thanks for the feedback.
@@GambleSmart Thank you! Keep up the great content!
Thanks won 800 on top dollar
Um, you said you were playing top dollar at 50 cents a spin,,,,5 dollar spins, yet when you spin, you were actually playing 10 a spin according to the credit depletion each spin.? Wouldn't 9 lines at 50 cents a line be 4.50 a spin? Still trying to figure out these line bets...
in the new top dollar games 9 lines can be played for 9 credits , but to be eligible for the bonus , you play 10 credits.
only you can see the card
That was 26 spins on top dollar
Wish you had checked your camera/phone. Couldn't see much as every slot was out of focus.
20 spins = 35 spins when you're having fun.
SuBscribe..LiKe..ShaRe
Why do you keep saying "these pay just like double diamond?" No they don't. They pay according to the mathematical probabilities of bingo, a combination of the numbers called versus the numbers given on the card, with pay rates set by the Casino. Double diamond uses an RNG against a mathematically designed pay table to meet determined RTP. Bingo meets whatever the casino says they was the RTP to be, is changeable and not known. If I'm wrong, I would love an in depth video covering the math of bingo versus true RNG. I have yet to find a video from anyone that show the real difference between the 2. They are very different.
Yes, I understand that - but when it comes to the paytable, it's exactly the same and it feels familiar to people that play double diamond. Yes, there are differences, but people sometimes don't want to get into the weeds of it. :)
@@GambleSmart Totally get it, love your stuff and can't tell you how much I appreciate the videos! This is highly technical math, definitely beyond my skills. Going to Winstar for the weekend and will avoid Bingo machines like the plague. Don't trust the system that has no oversight, is changeable on the fly by the casino and doesn't operate according to a slot pay table. A nerdy math video on this, while nerdy, would be an outstanding, one of a kind video, no one has done this. I have done hours upon hours of research trying to understand and gain insight into what is actually going on with Bingo machines, but having someone who understands the math of the systems, like the IGT VP and then some other person who understands the Bingo probabilities/math system would be amazing. I totally understand this goes over peoples heads, it is such a complex problem that my own research still feels like I've just barely scratched the surface. Sadly, when people hear "these pay just like double diamond" the natural interpretation is that the machine pays out as a Double Diamond would. The pay table is the same. The payouts/wins are generated against a completely different math system, one without the internal machine RTP setting. All control of payout is done through a central server with no oversight and unlike the internal paytables, can be changed at Casino discretion. For as much as people love to dispel the rumor that Casinos can change payouts, the Class II system is capable of exactly that and has no gaming authority oversight to provide clarity.
Just curious as to how you know or heard that there is no oversight and they can change payouts on the fly? That goes against everything I’ve seen and heard from people in the Class 2 industry.
@@GambleSmart Oversight is not the right word. Transparency is what I should have said. Oversight is definitely occurring. But with state minimum RTPs at like 80 percent in a lot of states, compliance with a standard isn't really relevant if there is no public reporting, as in Oklahoma. Unlike the physical change to RTP at a class 3 machine and all that goes along to make that happen, the servers ability to easily change paytables in Class 2 is what I find concerning in a place where RTP is not publicly reported. Maybe class 2 is paying just like class 3. But without transparency, the public doesn't actually know. Trust in a fair system is the whole point of transparency/reporting requirements.
Then there is the networking issue with class 2. So many little factors will effect specific machine win rates because it relies on an external server, network latency, differing cable run lengths, switch port preference/differences, random manufacturing difficencies in the CAT5 or 6, who terminated the ends of the runs, I mean those possibilities just go on forever and no matter what will cause differences in who actually wins because of the timing nature of networked systems. Milliseconds matter and when milliseconds matter on a network, there has to be an element of chaos due to the above mentioned factors. Overall the payouts will match because the server makes that happen. But with a networked system, there will almost certainly be machines that perform better or worse due to any of the myriad of factors affecting networking speed/communication. Class 3 pays per the internal pay table, always right, always there, everything is internal. If class 2 has to go to a server for cards or balls or any information, networking factors would have to come into play from a players experience. I could be way off, totally wrong, maybe they thought of all of this and came up with some genius way to overcome networking and latency. And at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter as much as the paytables differences between class 3 rng and bingo. But it sure doesn't leave a feeling of confidence in them like a fully internal class 3 machine does.
Thanks but your card reading skills need refining.
We are always learning
really dont like those class 2 games, sorry not for me