Ford and Stellantis both royally screwed up by getting rid of their 1/2-ton diesels. GM's 3.0L is killing in that segment, especially for people towing a TT 5-10 times a year. And their 6.6L gasser is pretty darn good, too. If only prices would come down to earth.
Idk about that. co worker and another guy I know… both their 3.0 are at the dealership CONSTANTLY for repairs. Coworkers truck has been at the dealership for 3 months now. No ETA when it will be ready.
@@mauriceracicot6010their trans are dumpster fires. So are their engines if we're being honest. The only one that is seemingly solid is the diesel, and it's expensive with a lot of extra maintenance compared to gas engines.
I wish GM, Ford, and Ram would offer more of their HD trucks without the center consul being a requirement for the mid to upper trim levels. I like being able to pull the center armrest down, and in a pinch being able to transport six people instead of five with use of the middle front seat. Cheers-
Well I guess we are the complete opposite because I hate that center console like we don't live in 1998 anymore😂😂. The center console is better because you have space to put all your stuff plus it looks better anyway like no one has that many people riding in their car
I can't believe I went through life without a HD truck for as long as I did. I wish you could get a tremor in an 8 foot bed, but none the less, it is still the best of both worlds.
If i could afford the gas, I'd have gone with the silverado 2500 over the 1500. Theyre honestly not even that much different pricewise. Unfortunately for me, the only way i could justify the cost to run it compared to my previous vehicle was to get the 2.7l Turbomax. 25 mpg highway is pretty darn ok in a full size truck. Coming from 28 mpg on a maverick, it was a worthwhile upgrade. Going from 28 to 14 while driving 30k a year would not have been viable though.
Don't forget about the older HD trucks! These trucks are built to last. I own a 2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD CC SLT 6.0, independent front suspension, drives smooth for a big truck, smoother than the 2023 Ford F350 at work. No issues at all the first 20k miles owning it, gets 13.5 mpg with the original platinum plugs and injectors.
I've tried 1/2 ton trucks before and I always go back to 3/4 - 1 ton trucks. They're always up to the task and my favorite part is they are so robust they will last a long time. I'd rather have a HD and use it for part of it's capability than have a 1/2 ton that is maxed out all the time stressing the whole truck and the price is virtually the same.
Trucks like F-150 rose in price exponentially since the pandemic era, meanwhile the price of HD trucks go up slowly at a linear rate because if HD trucks weren't affordable America would grind to a halt.
XLT is the sweet spot. It can be used for work or pleasure. Has all the capability you could realistically want. Park on your driveway and use it. Make money with it and it becomes an investment.
I just read that today. The EPA says flat out their current Regulatory Impact Analysis that they "expect" GPF will be "in widespread use." The 2027 and later rules are a big hot mess the more I read them. It's convoluted as hell. They even have a new category called "Medium Duty Passenger Vehicle" MDPV which is causing all kinds of questions documented in their 1000s page long reports, and they try to answer about which definition some vehicles will fall under. The auto industry and stakeholders, (contained in over 200,000 submissions) themselves are unsure which vehicles will be averaging out against others in the same class and what the consequences will be vs. the intention. We have veh. class definitions that conflict with definitions in other legislation or rules. It's going to be a dog's breakfast as they have it so complicated. That GPF'd Ford is because of a new cold start test coming that gas engines will have to pass, since they have diesel emitting less particulates than gas in this Phase. It's horrible. Expect litigation and correction of errors galore. Trump and his EPA nominee need to say, "Scrap it and simplify drastically." It's as bad as deciphering a tax code. It's blatantly pro BEV. So much so, some submission express shock how blatantly the EV slant comes across in it.
I believe in the end that all direct injected engines will have gpf and regen. Surprisingly, port injection has less pollution. Engines with both port and direct injection may go without gpf and regen. Toyota and Ford eco boost, for example, use both technologies.
@hank976 for my personal needs of driving 2-300 miles a week off road and in the swamps id go with the ram power wagon. It has the offroad capability and it is the smallest HD. If I didn't need the hard offroad use but needed the smallest HD it would be the ram 2500 bighorn. My opinion the perfect do it all HD (off road, on road, massive room etc) it would be the ford f250 super duty tremor with the 7.3. If I was looking for a on road 90% and off road 10% and valued the ride comfort the most it would be the chevy 2500 as it's the only one with a independent front suspension for better on road manners. If I were buying right now it would be the ram 2500 tradesman with the powerwagon package. Amazing hemi motor, amazing offroad capability, amazing on road ride with the soft offroad suspension, small size easy to park. And can be bought new in the mid to upper 50k range
That stx seemed like the sweetspot in that lineup with the 7.3 Godzilla at just over 60k which is mid size price these days & you might be able to get it at 58-59k
Heavy Duty gassers are the way to go. 90% of people don't need a diesel. An average 3/4 ton with a V8 is perfect for weight amd towing most 20 foot bowrider boats or camping trailers. Gas engines have less maintenance, are more reliable and cost a fraction of a diesel. I said what I said.
HD trucks are the new pickups as 1/2 tons have become SUVs basically.....you cant even compare the 2.....since 2020 have been using them exclusively, for work its a must and safer to drive being bigger and taller
Half tons are more capable than they have ever been. Not every body needs a giant truck to run around in. If you need it fine but most are a status symbol.
No point getting an HD truck unless you operate a commercial business that requires the use of one. Very expensive to own & maintain. Unfortunately none of the big 3 domestics make a reliable & affordable HD truck anymore.
Great video! These 2023+ super duties look absolutely horrible compared to previous generations. The bed and bumper steps have ruined the body lines on these once great looking trucks. Thank you again for a great video. #Ford
I would definitely consider an HD truck over a full size just because of the capability. The full size doesn't fit in most garages anyways. The fuel economy to me would be the only drawback in comparison to the full size models.
A ton of rambling with almost no information about why HD over a 1500. Whats bigger, stronger, and why other than the axle? Emissions emissions emissions- thats why. Forget diesel's, the N/A 6.8 and 7.3 have no active cylinder deactivation, no oil wet belt for water pump vs 1500's/ GM 3.0 duramax. No sealed transmission so you can service yourself. Unlike Ram ZF8-sealed units) These are points to talk about-
95% of truck owners only haul sailboat fuel on a daily basis. Most people will be fine with a 1500. Most people aren’t hauling or towing even close to the limits of a 1500. Most people use trucks as daily drivers.
@ yep! All day, every day. Truck buyers have such fragile egos and cannot stand to be one upped. I drive a half ton and it does more than I need it to. A 3/4 or 1 ton is a complete waste for 95% of the truck buying public, but they’d never admit it.
@doublej963 not without a ladder....stupid tall hood. This world hates short guys. But tall dark and handsome is a dimension a dozen today. Short fat bald guys are high demand!
Alot going for the super duty's. But the ride quality is so inexcusably bad it ruins the whole thing. Especially since their competitors ride much, much better.
If your going to skip one, you should definitely skip the mid size trucks. Mid size trucks hold no purpose aside from going to get groceries and put them in your bed.
For me midsize just offer no value aside from their smaller size. Full size trucks are obnoxious, but they're more capable and more comfortable for passengers. The size in both cases are double edged swords. The only reason to buy a midsize truck is space, or because you simply want a midsize truck. They offer very little savings on the purchase price, and very little savings in fuel costs compared to a full size truck.
I'm glad somebody finally said it to everyone keep thinking just because you buy a super duty you use it for work and that is not the case for most people. I bought me a brand new Ford F-350 XLT with all the bells and whistles not because I do any construction but just because I have a truck that I can use it when I need it which most time it's never been used for tow anything except getting groceries or driving to the Walmart
They are extremely overpriced so if you support this market in any way your a huge disappointment to the millions of hard working Americans who can't pay for basic necessities. The world needs to change and American consumers are out of control.
@@brandonwood1397 outstanding! And the one I would buy. I want a tradesman with the powerwagon package very badly! Congratulations on your amazing new truck
@Jason-Samko I am a ammonia refrigeration tech I drive 5000+ mi a month I need a work truck not a mall crawler like the super high optioned ones where you pay 100k just to have leather seats it's a damn shame have to make 300k a year to be able to afford one
Ford and Stellantis both royally screwed up by getting rid of their 1/2-ton diesels. GM's 3.0L is killing in that segment, especially for people towing a TT 5-10 times a year. And their 6.6L gasser is pretty darn good, too. If only prices would come down to earth.
Gmc and Chevy has out of control problems with their high tech. The engines and trans are solid.
Idk about that. co worker and another guy I know… both their 3.0 are at the dealership CONSTANTLY for repairs. Coworkers truck has been at the dealership for 3 months now. No ETA when it will be ready.
@@mauriceracicot6010their trans are dumpster fires. So are their engines if we're being honest. The only one that is seemingly solid is the diesel, and it's expensive with a lot of extra maintenance compared to gas engines.
Diesels don’t belong in half tons.
Love my Chevy HD 2500 family truck. Pulls my family camper, my tractor, it’s a joy to drive
@@rogered5499 perfect. And it's built to do all those things well, including "family vehicle"
I wish GM, Ford, and Ram would offer more of their HD trucks without the center consul being a requirement for the mid to upper trim levels. I like being able to pull the center armrest down, and in a pinch being able to transport six people instead of five with use of the middle front seat. Cheers-
Well I guess we are the complete opposite because I hate that center console like we don't live in 1998 anymore😂😂. The center console is better because you have space to put all your stuff plus it looks better anyway like no one has that many people riding in their car
@@armytruth6860 The bench seats come with their own storage now as well.... plus there are some fun things you can do with that middle seat up.
I can't believe I went through life without a HD truck for as long as I did. I wish you could get a tremor in an 8 foot bed, but none the less, it is still the best of both worlds.
That blue/gray color pops!!
GM's new Cypress Grey is pretty cool, too!
Ironically i was checking out a really cool 2500 hd tremor its a beast
@marksullivan8200 it sure is and with 37s would be awesome
I drive a 2019 HD 2500 GMC! Love the Heavy duty trucks!
Great video, one thing re: Ford HD trucks, really like to see an aggressive hood, shape/style.
Here in north. Texas we have a lot of ranchers rodeo and cutting horse people that use them most driving the platinum and lariat version
If i could afford the gas, I'd have gone with the silverado 2500 over the 1500. Theyre honestly not even that much different pricewise. Unfortunately for me, the only way i could justify the cost to run it compared to my previous vehicle was to get the 2.7l Turbomax. 25 mpg highway is pretty darn ok in a full size truck. Coming from 28 mpg on a maverick, it was a worthwhile upgrade. Going from 28 to 14 while driving 30k a year would not have been viable though.
Don't forget about the older HD trucks! These trucks are built to last. I own a 2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD CC SLT 6.0, independent front suspension, drives smooth for a big truck, smoother than the 2023 Ford F350 at work. No issues at all the first 20k miles owning it, gets 13.5 mpg with the original platinum plugs and injectors.
Agree 100
I've tried 1/2 ton trucks before and I always go back to 3/4 - 1 ton trucks. They're always up to the task and my favorite part is they are so robust they will last a long time. I'd rather have a HD and use it for part of it's capability than have a 1/2 ton that is maxed out all the time stressing the whole truck and the price is virtually the same.
Trucks like F-150 rose in price exponentially since the pandemic era, meanwhile the price of HD trucks go up slowly at a linear rate because if HD trucks weren't affordable America would grind to a halt.
@@jordanimatedstreaming interesting point i have not thought about
XLT is the sweet spot. It can be used for work or pleasure. Has all the capability you could realistically want. Park on your driveway and use it. Make money with it and it becomes an investment.
For me, I'm tired of anything truck and SUV. My next ride will be a sedan.
Awesome video Jason always great explanations
Thanks
Nah, I made the right choice going with a diesel 1/2 ton. If you dont need it, theres no point of getting into extra debt.
I agree 👍
Yes but I don't currently need one and I can't currently afford one! 😆
25 Ford Maverick 2.0 liter turbo has a gpf and regen. The epa is coming after all of the gassers.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I just read that today. The EPA says flat out their current Regulatory Impact Analysis that they "expect" GPF will be "in widespread use." The 2027 and later rules are a big hot mess the more I read them. It's convoluted as hell. They even have a new category called "Medium Duty Passenger Vehicle" MDPV which is causing all kinds of questions documented in their 1000s page long reports, and they try to answer about which definition some vehicles will fall under. The auto industry and stakeholders, (contained in over 200,000 submissions) themselves are unsure which vehicles will be averaging out against others in the same class and what the consequences will be vs. the intention. We have veh. class definitions that conflict with definitions in other legislation or rules. It's going to be a dog's breakfast as they have it so complicated. That GPF'd Ford is because of a new cold start test coming that gas engines will have to pass, since they have diesel emitting less particulates than gas in this Phase. It's horrible. Expect litigation and correction of errors galore. Trump and his EPA nominee need to say, "Scrap it and simplify drastically." It's as bad as deciphering a tax code. It's blatantly pro BEV. So much so, some submission express shock how blatantly the EV slant comes across in it.
I believe in the end that all direct injected engines will have gpf and regen. Surprisingly, port injection has less pollution. Engines with both port and direct injection may go without gpf and regen. Toyota and Ford eco boost, for example, use both technologies.
What brand would you go with?
I was gonna ask the same question
@hank976 for my personal needs of driving 2-300 miles a week off road and in the swamps id go with the ram power wagon. It has the offroad capability and it is the smallest HD. If I didn't need the hard offroad use but needed the smallest HD it would be the ram 2500 bighorn. My opinion the perfect do it all HD (off road, on road, massive room etc) it would be the ford f250 super duty tremor with the 7.3. If I was looking for a on road 90% and off road 10% and valued the ride comfort the most it would be the chevy 2500 as it's the only one with a independent front suspension for better on road manners.
If I were buying right now it would be the ram 2500 tradesman with the powerwagon package. Amazing hemi motor, amazing offroad capability, amazing on road ride with the soft offroad suspension, small size easy to park. And can be bought new in the mid to upper 50k range
That stx seemed like the sweetspot in that lineup with the 7.3 Godzilla at just over 60k which is mid size price these days & you might be able to get it at 58-59k
@@marksullivan8200 agree 100
Too bad the 7.3 won’t be available for it in 2025.
@Drg24800 yep stupid ford shell games. But I hear the 6.8 is great too
That was great info. Thanks.
Heavy Duty gassers are the way to go. 90% of people don't need a diesel. An average 3/4 ton with a V8 is perfect for weight amd towing most 20 foot bowrider boats or camping trailers. Gas engines have less maintenance, are more reliable and cost a fraction of a diesel. I said what I said.
HD trucks are the new pickups as 1/2 tons have become SUVs basically.....you cant even compare the 2.....since 2020 have been using them exclusively, for work its a must and safer to drive being bigger and taller
Half tons are more capable than they have ever been. Not every body needs a giant truck to run around in. If you need it fine but most are a status symbol.
No point getting an HD truck unless you operate a commercial business that requires the use of one. Very expensive to own & maintain. Unfortunately none of the big 3 domestics make a reliable & affordable HD truck anymore.
Great video! These 2023+ super duties look absolutely horrible compared to previous generations. The bed and bumper steps have ruined the body lines on these once great looking trucks. Thank you again for a great video. #Ford
Do all of the Ford HD's come with that snow plow air dam?
I would definitely consider an HD truck over a full size just because of the capability. The full size doesn't fit in most garages anyways.
The fuel economy to me would be the only drawback in comparison to the full size models.
Agree on all points
Fuel economy and ride quality are the biggest drawbacks
"very popular video" lots full buddy
A ton of rambling with almost no information about why HD over a 1500.
Whats bigger, stronger, and why other than the axle?
Emissions emissions emissions- thats why. Forget diesel's, the N/A 6.8 and 7.3 have no active cylinder deactivation, no oil wet belt for water pump vs 1500's/ GM 3.0 duramax. No sealed transmission so you can service yourself. Unlike Ram ZF8-sealed units)
These are points to talk about-
95% of truck owners only haul sailboat fuel on a daily basis.
Most people will be fine with a 1500. Most people aren’t hauling or towing even close to the limits of a 1500. Most people use trucks as daily drivers.
I agree! Status symbol!
@ yep! All day, every day. Truck buyers have such fragile egos and cannot stand to be one upped.
I drive a half ton and it does more than I need it to. A 3/4 or 1 ton is a complete waste for 95% of the truck buying public, but they’d never admit it.
Nope - do not need it. I pull a boat and occasionally haul household stuff and it's a daily driver for me - sticking with non-HD.
Are you even tall enough to wash that Zr2....¿😂
@doublej963 not without a ladder....stupid tall hood. This world hates short guys. But tall dark and handsome is a dimension a dozen today. Short fat bald guys are high demand!
Everyone in the family better have a job to pay for the truck to ride in it.
I feel all manufactures are producing junk these days , however the HD are definitely better built then the half tons.
Agree
Alot going for the super duty's. But the ride quality is so inexcusably bad it ruins the whole thing. Especially since their competitors ride much, much better.
@@richvangorder3900 the ram with its coil over rear end and the chevy with its independent front suspension makes a difference
Way to expensive
Way too expensive. The diesel HD.
If your going to skip one, you should definitely skip the mid size trucks. Mid size trucks hold no purpose aside from going to get groceries and put them in your bed.
@Invisible1900 I'd rather skip the full size. Midsize has many advantages and if need bigger go straight to HD in my opinion
For me midsize just offer no value aside from their smaller size. Full size trucks are obnoxious, but they're more capable and more comfortable for passengers. The size in both cases are double edged swords. The only reason to buy a midsize truck is space, or because you simply want a midsize truck. They offer very little savings on the purchase price, and very little savings in fuel costs compared to a full size truck.
I'm glad somebody finally said it to everyone keep thinking just because you buy a super duty you use it for work and that is not the case for most people. I bought me a brand new Ford F-350 XLT with all the bells and whistles not because I do any construction but just because I have a truck that I can use it when I need it which most time it's never been used for tow anything except getting groceries or driving to the Walmart
Poor financial decisions will keep you poor
@@armytruth6860 perfect. And it's a perfect do everything vehicle
@lesliestandifer and on the flip side, life is meant to be lived and you can't take the money with you when the clock runs out.
HD trucks retain much more residual value and don’t nickel and dime you .
Agree
They are extremely overpriced so if you support this market in any way your a huge disappointment to the millions of hard working Americans who can't pay for basic necessities. The world needs to change and American consumers are out of control.
Bought a new 3500 4 door dually diesel 4wd today for 58k
Make and trim level? Wow
@dougnikolay1015 tradesman with the 8.4 screen 50 gal tank ,gooseneck hitch
@@brandonwood1397 outstanding! And the one I would buy. I want a tradesman with the powerwagon package very badly! Congratulations on your amazing new truck
@Jason-Samko I am a ammonia refrigeration tech I drive 5000+ mi a month I need a work truck not a mall crawler like the super high optioned ones where you pay 100k just to have leather seats it's a damn shame have to make 300k a year to be able to afford one