Just so folks know, a _lot_ of work went into optimizing a run to this level. All those times the TAS got perfect rng? That doesn't come for free; what rng manipulation means is trying a bunch of different timelines until one of them rolls the rng we want. This TAS is the product of a lot of careful planning and an enormous amount of dedication and persistence to actually work through all the tiny details and get exactly the right timelines. Congratulations on completing this work of art.
No glitch too much No spell to cast No amulets to wear No damage taken that be critical Born of tool and assistance You shall seal the blinding light that plagues speedruner's dreams. You are the perfection You are the TAS
@akkesm it is WCS but they're tapping left then right then left again every frame which is what causes that sound. it's also what causes the sound while they're in the inventory in some cases which for this situation is for rng manipulation.
Woah Jarlyk wasn’t lying, that THK fight was insane!! Great job with the TAS, I’m sure a psychotic amount of work went into this, and it really paid off!!
I love in the beginning watching you hit forward and a clink sound & animation just appearing behind you. I know the mechanics that go into it, but its just really funny to see the knight swinging the nail forward but hitting behind itself
We watched this on my stream and we all loved it - my favorite part was the skipped fall in kings pass with the nail knockback - I had never seen a TAS do that before!! That and the C-dashless acid skips were incredible with the use of WCS. Super well done:D
@@74v13r I have question about Uumuu fight. It's possible fight Uumuu without WCS. But it seems impossible that carry Oomas's Core during Uumuu fight without WCS. Is this not break the Wcs proofs?
@@changhaofu6844 well, i can assure you that juggling ooma cores without wcs is definitely possible, its just a bit harder, so i used wcs. The tricky part is getting the ooma core to the fight itself. thankfully, the rules dont really have cases like this in mind and they only refer to the knight being able to move through the same space with and without wcs, but they dont talk about being able to carry emeies with you. Either way, im confident its possible to do the entire teacher archives segment without wcs, but itd require a lot of work
@@74v13r I can't find any “juggling Oomas's Core without wcs” that only has “Crystal Heart”, Even TAS only. If it switches to "Monarch Wings" or "Isma's Tear" that's would be OK. But when using Crystal Heart, I thought the only way to get in uumuu's room is “stand on the right floor and dash”. Also about the rules, I don't know if it allowed "a wcs only skip if is not a access skip".
@@changhaofu6844 you prob need to use another ooma to get across, make sure to explode it mid way through the acid to give you enough distance. Thats the only way to skip using cdash and prob the only way to get to uumuu while juggling a core without wcs. I dont think anyone has done it though, its more of a theoretical proof.
At first, I didn’t think much of the watcher knight fight, but the way you manip’d the 5th knight to bounce itself directly onto the 4th one was absolutely gorgeous. And of course, I will once again mention funny THK. I think the small detail that surprised me the most was healing after Queen’s Gardens arena for a respawn abuse on the lever right after. Absolutely incredible run all the way around
Holy shit this is amazing work. Can't believe this didn't get recommended to me sooner! I have no idea how this can be improved much further, but I am more than looking forward to seeing what you cook up next.
@@bananafishbones5724 currently im taking a break from tassing, but i plan to improve this some day in the future. Hopefully i can cut 20s or so, but that may be a little ambitious
This is great, made me giggle at times At this point I wonder is it really worth going for c-dash. I guess it is, it's just the fact that it isn't even needed for QGA stuns me!
@@notEphim thanks, cdash is necessary as wcs isnt allowed for sequence breaking, you need to be able to get through somewhere without wcs to be able to use it according to the No Major Glitches ruleset, which is the one I followed. If that rule didnt exist, youd definitely skip cdash
That was awesome!! I love the route you took through the lasers and just above the crystal spikes to get Crystal Heart. Uumuu! And I don't think I've ever seen THK lose so badly to a furious Knight with only a simple nail.
Not sure which is more mindblowing- the lining up of Watcher Knights so you can pogo both active ones simultaneously repeatedly, or the use of the exploding ball to one shot Uumuu?
This is amazing, I was speechless after the first minute already. The dreamnail sequence :O Is there a new nail turnaround strat? It looks like you slash before you turn
@@Sm1leyNinja nmms is a bit out of my spoce of knowledge at the moment. I know the basics of it on lp. On 1028 my knowledge is even more limited. In general nmms feels like a less fun ruleset to tas. We'll see though, maybe in the future
I really love TAS, they're my favorite speedrunner, my only pet peeve is runs that pause timer for loading screen and most especially main menu fast traveling, it just feels not genuine to me.
its just nmg rules. I need to be able to go through those places without wcs with current equipment to make wcsing through a section legal. That rule is there to make wcs not be able to sequence break essentially.
this was crazy, and most of it speaks for itself, but i have two main questions 1. since the old TAS followed the human NMG route it had to get C.dash, but this one followed a different route, so why did it still get C.dash? does it save that much time over dashing/WCS'ing in some places? 2. why didnt THK scream? abusing the boss turnround animation to speed up fights with nail only is funny, and fast, but does the turnaround aniation stop him from screaming? i assumed it took priority, no matter what was going on, when THK hits these two HP threasholds, they will scream, but thats obviously not the case
first of all, old tas followed rta route bc it was believed to be the fastest at the time, it got cdash for the same reason as me, nmg rules dont allow for sequence breaking with wcs To answer the sacond question, the thing about the hp threshold is true, after reaching the threshold it will scream as soon as it exits its idle state in a specific way (happens when idle timer runs out). By turning around, we slow down the idle timer progressing as much as possible, and by making him evade out of his idle state when his idle timer is close to running out, we can reset it without letting him scream. (its a bit more complicated, but that the gist of it)
@@74v13r so this route could theoretically go even faster if the TAS skipped peaks, that would also skip geo collection for lantern, either way, this was a crazy run, and I learned some cool stuff
its a common strat used in speedrunning for regaining health at the cost of a few tenths of a second. After finishing the tas i realized that i didnt really need the health though, theres a way of skipping the devout at the beginning thats even faster than what i did (iirc) and doesnt dmg tank and then theres also a pretty fast way of doing the dmg rotation on the last devout without taking dmg. Those were the main concerns i had, but now that i've figured them out, i'll be skipping the quitout next time i tas that section. I actually have a short vid on my channel showcasing the devout skip i was talking about. ruclips.net/video/1ywCIRFj0Hg/видео.html
in case you are actually wondering why that happens, turning has the highest preference when being idle, so if you go to the opposite side while he's idle you can make him turn repeatedly for quite a while. I used it bc theres no other good way of avoiding rolls or bounces
@@lesdeuxcoulibiacs the nmg rules state that to go through a space by using wcs, you must be able to go through that same section without the use of the glitch. This effectively means that we need cdash in order to be able to use wcs to go through some of the sections faster
Would you have been able to skip crystal dash if you didn't need it for topology reasons? Also, how many frames would it lose to save the beast den grub
ye, without restricted wcs i could have skipped cdash quite easily. I cant give you an exact number for the second question, but its probably somewhere around 0.04s
i must assume you are referring to moments like this 21:16. Im not actually going into the acid, im storing a walljump and walljumping right above the acid
I wonder what the theoretically fastest time a TAS could achieve. If you cut out lantern and maybe crystal dash as you have wall cling storage I wonder what the fastest time could be. Im a hollow knight noob but I believe TAS could do darkrooms.
ye, depends on the glitches you allow, ag takes it to the extreme, nmms (No Main Menu Storage) any% tas is a bit less extreme but still pretty difficult to understand. But ye, if you skip cdash and therefore lantern itd be no problem for tas and youd get around 2mins of timesave or so
@@balderdasch4078 no, to be able to use wcs the rules state that you must be able to move trough that room in that same way withiut using the glitch. So basically you can't do sequence breaks usign wcs
basically it has to do with the nmg rules, you can only use wcs if it doesnt sequence break (its a bit more complicated than that, but thats the main idea)
ye, some small movement mistakes, some notizable rng optimizations, a couple of better strats here and there and a relic reroute which i missed. Most notable things are getting well relic after claw and doing beast's den on 1hp. Pretty sure everything combined still isnt close enough to sub 25 for it to be realistic, but who knows. The thing is that the project takes a lot of time and you inevitably discover new things about previous segments as you go along, and fixing them is not easy.
@@omerkaya4844 def not yet, but it could certainly happen at some point, another problem with te is that we still arent sure what the fastest route for tas is (between ssoul or shriek), so putting around 1000 hours into something that might be obsolete doesnt seem too fun
@@jeddite247 ye, game is way too complex for it to be perfect. It has some notable mistakes though, so i plan on coming back soon to try to get as close as possible to sub25
ye, turns out that it doesnt lose that much time during the run and getting to grewnpath without it became viable once the elder baldur trick was discovered
![[TAS] Hollow Knight: Pantheon of Hollownest Real Time in 14:56](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/p6ScLClJmmw/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] Hollow Knight: Pantheon of Hollownest Real Time in 14:56](/img/tr.png)
![The Complete Story of Destiny! From origins to Shadowkeep [Timeline and Lore explained]](/img/1.gif)
Just so folks know, a _lot_ of work went into optimizing a run to this level. All those times the TAS got perfect rng? That doesn't come for free; what rng manipulation means is trying a bunch of different timelines until one of them rolls the rng we want. This TAS is the product of a lot of careful planning and an enormous amount of dedication and persistence to actually work through all the tiny details and get exactly the right timelines. Congratulations on completing this work of art.
Thank you. For the record, there are still a few notable improvements that can be made aside from rng, but i'll have to leave those to future me.
@@jarlyk it took 21 to 27 days to complete this
25???????? insane
I like your profile it’s funny
What years of no silksong does to an mf
beating the game with 0 geo was insane ! u stil have the WR. why don t u play against fireborn in "speedrunners vs hunters" ? for sure it will be fun.
No glitch too much
No spell to cast
No amulets to wear
No damage taken that be critical
Born of tool and assistance
You shall seal the blinding light that plagues speedruner's dreams.
You are the perfection
You are the TAS
This run is basically like "who needs vengeful spirit when we have fury?" Lmao
THK truly had no voice to cry suffering.
* Whoosh *
BRRRT
* whoosh *
BRRRT
* whoosh *
BRRRRT
What is this tas movement tech?
It looks like wallcling storage but I'm not really sure. Does it usually go BRRRRT?
@akkesm it is WCS but they're tapping left then right then left again every frame which is what causes that sound. it's also what causes the sound while they're in the inventory in some cases which for this situation is for rng manipulation.
Skipping crossroads like that is nuts wtf
That was one of the most beautiful watcher knight fights I've ever seen. Gorgeous.
Thx, it was one of the most frustrating things to get right, but in the end i managed to get it to look quite clean.
Agreed, that was pure art
by far the funniest thk fight
It's like the Knight is tapping THK on the far shoulder to make them look away, but doing it over and over 🤣
Also watcher knights
Woah Jarlyk wasn’t lying, that THK fight was insane!! Great job with the TAS, I’m sure a psychotic amount of work went into this, and it really paid off!!
I love in the beginning watching you hit forward and a clink sound & animation just appearing behind you. I know the mechanics that go into it, but its just really funny to see the knight swinging the nail forward but hitting behind itself
THAT UMU FIGHT WAS INSANE
super amazing to see, i love seeing all the improvements that youve made, congrats
I am so amazed this was done again! but 3 minutes faster, nah this is unreal
Great TAS and I honestly can't even appreciate all the timesave, it goes beyond my game knowledge.
Run invalid, didn’t say hi to elder bug
1:43 absolute cinema for like 2 seconds
Also 13:06 dacing in the moonlight
We watched this on my stream and we all loved it - my favorite part was the skipped fall in kings pass with the nail knockback - I had never seen a TAS do that before!! That and the C-dashless acid skips were incredible with the use of WCS. Super well done:D
This is absolutely incredible and so inspiring! I might even redo watcher knights after watching this 😂
The uumuu fight is so dumb, i love it
ye, one of the most uniquie things that tas can do for sure
@@74v13r I have question about Uumuu fight. It's possible fight Uumuu without WCS. But it seems impossible that carry Oomas's Core during Uumuu fight without WCS. Is this not break the Wcs proofs?
@@changhaofu6844 well, i can assure you that juggling ooma cores without wcs is definitely possible, its just a bit harder, so i used wcs. The tricky part is getting the ooma core to the fight itself. thankfully, the rules dont really have cases like this in mind and they only refer to the knight being able to move through the same space with and without wcs, but they dont talk about being able to carry emeies with you. Either way, im confident its possible to do the entire teacher archives segment without wcs, but itd require a lot of work
@@74v13r I can't find any “juggling Oomas's Core without wcs” that only has “Crystal Heart”, Even TAS only. If it switches to "Monarch Wings" or "Isma's Tear" that's would be OK. But when using Crystal Heart, I thought the only way to get in uumuu's room is “stand on the right floor and dash”. Also about the rules, I don't know if it allowed "a wcs only skip if is not a access skip".
@@changhaofu6844 you prob need to use another ooma to get across, make sure to explode it mid way through the acid to give you enough distance. Thats the only way to skip using cdash and prob the only way to get to uumuu while juggling a core without wcs. I dont think anyone has done it though, its more of a theoretical proof.
At first, I didn’t think much of the watcher knight fight, but the way you manip’d the 5th knight to bounce itself directly onto the 4th one was absolutely gorgeous. And of course, I will once again mention funny THK. I think the small detail that surprised me the most was healing after Queen’s Gardens arena for a respawn abuse on the lever right after. Absolutely incredible run all the way around
3 and a half minutes off the previous TAS...Truly insane. Great work!
Holy shit this is amazing work. Can't believe this didn't get recommended to me sooner! I have no idea how this can be improved much further, but I am more than looking forward to seeing what you cook up next.
@@bananafishbones5724 currently im taking a break from tassing, but i plan to improve this some day in the future. Hopefully i can cut 20s or so, but that may be a little ambitious
This is great, made me giggle at times
At this point I wonder is it really worth going for c-dash. I guess it is, it's just the fact that it isn't even needed for QGA stuns me!
@@notEphim thanks, cdash is necessary as wcs isnt allowed for sequence breaking, you need to be able to get through somewhere without wcs to be able to use it according to the No Major Glitches ruleset, which is the one I followed. If that rule didnt exist, youd definitely skip cdash
@@74v13rWouldn’t it still be faster to use cdash to get to thk arena compared to using wcs?
One minute in and you already fool the game that's crazy
2:04 You broke that old man's heart 😢
This is by far the most amazing TAS I've ever seen of any game. Would love to see more in the future ❤
Just pogoing thk in the corner like that is wild lol
this is marvelous
tfw fury becomes optimal :feelspkman:
great tas tho, javier, amazing work!
This'll be Fire in like a year if we don't get Silksong
This is so unbelievable. So cool to watch
That was awesome!! I love the route you took through the lasers and just above the crystal spikes to get Crystal Heart. Uumuu! And I don't think I've ever seen THK lose so badly to a furious Knight with only a simple nail.
This is so cool to see
Beautiful run! Wall cling storage go brrrr
Not sure which is more mindblowing- the lining up of Watcher Knights so you can pogo both active ones simultaneously repeatedly, or the use of the exploding ball to one shot Uumuu?
I take it back- I think most mindblowing might be THK- I have never seen that fight look anywhere near so… trivial before…
This is amazing, I was speechless after the first minute already. The dreamnail sequence :O
Is there a new nail turnaround strat? It looks like you slash before you turn
yeah its referred to as a fanta (forward anticipated nail turn around) theres a ton of these microoptimizations that javier has made
@@constructivecynicismsr Thanks :) I stopped TASing a year ago but it is very cool to see how many new things were done since then
Ther’s a new tas? And I just found out??? Subbed
It's truely beautiful. Thank you for the video.
This guy deserves more subs how much time did it take 11years
like 500h - 600h or so
@@74v13r wtf
Please do a no menu duping one, but one that still allows other mag our glitches. This is an amazing run though, and be proud of such a good TAS!
@@Sm1leyNinja nmms is a bit out of my spoce of knowledge at the moment. I know the basics of it on lp. On 1028 my knowledge is even more limited. In general nmms feels like a less fun ruleset to tas. We'll see though, maybe in the future
@ Thanks for the answer! Although I amm exited for any tases that you make! Good luck with your protects
Insane work gj!!
I really love TAS, they're my favorite speedrunner, my only pet peeve is runs that pause timer for loading screen and most especially main menu fast traveling, it just feels not genuine to me.
Well for loading zones I don’t understand why your annoyed with that, because then it would just be up to who has a good computer
BRRRRRRRR 🗣🤖🤖
whoosh 🌬💨
BRRRRRRRR 🗣🤖🤖
whoosh 🌬💨
yo are you planning on doing a commentary for this TAS? (if so I would go batshit insane)
i did do a showcase of the run on twitch for hk7y, it has some cool explanations. In case you want to check it out: www.twitch.tv/videos/2074621401
this is super cool
Hi Shrubb
beautiful, especially the HK fight lul
btw, how come you go for the cdash? do you even need it since you can wcs spam everywhere?
its just nmg rules. I need to be able to go through those places without wcs with current equipment to make wcsing through a section legal. That rule is there to make wcs not be able to sequence break essentially.
Nuts, well done dude!!!!!!
Absolutely incredible!
26:09 weird. I didn’t know the hit didn’t count if the masks hadn’t spawned in.
i took dmg, but the HUD doesnt update, later i take a double dmg and the masks goes down by three
this was crazy, and most of it speaks for itself, but i have two main questions
1. since the old TAS followed the human NMG route it had to get C.dash, but this one followed a different route, so why did it still get C.dash? does it save that much time over dashing/WCS'ing in some places?
2. why didnt THK scream? abusing the boss turnround animation to speed up fights with nail only is funny, and fast, but does the turnaround aniation stop him from screaming? i assumed it took priority, no matter what was going on, when THK hits these two HP threasholds, they will scream, but thats obviously not the case
first of all, old tas followed rta route bc it was believed to be the fastest at the time, it got cdash for the same reason as me, nmg rules dont allow for sequence breaking with wcs
To answer the sacond question, the thing about the hp threshold is true, after reaching the threshold it will scream as soon as it exits its idle state in a specific way (happens when idle timer runs out). By turning around, we slow down the idle timer progressing as much as possible, and by making him evade out of his idle state when his idle timer is close to running out, we can reset it without letting him scream. (its a bit more complicated, but that the gist of it)
@@74v13r so this route could theoretically go even faster if the TAS skipped peaks, that would also skip geo collection for lantern, either way, this was a crazy run, and I learned some cool stuff
Lore accurate Knight:
love this tas a lot, rewatch it every now and again, but ive always been curious why do you quit out at beasts den?
its a common strat used in speedrunning for regaining health at the cost of a few tenths of a second. After finishing the tas i realized that i didnt really need the health though, theres a way of skipping the devout at the beginning thats even faster than what i did (iirc) and doesnt dmg tank and then theres also a pretty fast way of doing the dmg rotation on the last devout without taking dmg. Those were the main concerns i had, but now that i've figured them out, i'll be skipping the quitout next time i tas that section.
I actually have a short vid on my channel showcasing the devout skip i was talking about. ruclips.net/video/1ywCIRFj0Hg/видео.html
13:00 nah cuz why was watcher knight HITTING THAT SHI
in case you are actually wondering why that happens, turning has the highest preference when being idle, so if you go to the opposite side while he's idle you can make him turn repeatedly for quite a while. I used it bc theres no other good way of avoiding rolls or bounces
13:10 literally they are dancing.
ye, i do that to make them attack less frequently so that they arent able to roll or bounce at all
Also nice ogd cycle
I don't know why you got crystal heart (but that was a spectacular crystal peak)
@@lesdeuxcoulibiacs the nmg rules state that to go through a space by using wcs, you must be able to go through that same section without the use of the glitch. This effectively means that we need cdash in order to be able to use wcs to go through some of the sections faster
Я все еще не знаю как возможно пройти игру за 5 часов, а тут 25 минут
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
Let's GO!!!
What years of no silksong does to an mf
Cool tas!
24:59 why does it go right there to break the floor👀
you mean after herrah? in 1221 the devout respawns, so you need to go right
@@74v13r uh oops wrong time stamp, now fixed. I mean before the first devout
ok I checked the proof video. now I understand
@@methylpalladium388, ye lmao, thats one one of funniest wcs set ups to make it nmg. In reality, it saved me less than 0.1 iirc.
Would you have been able to skip crystal dash if you didn't need it for topology reasons?
Also, how many frames would it lose to save the beast den grub
ye, without restricted wcs i could have skipped cdash quite easily. I cant give you an exact number for the second question, but its probably somewhere around 0.04s
How do you walk in the acid without Ismas tear?
i must assume you are referring to moments like this 21:16. Im not actually going into the acid, im storing a walljump and walljumping right above the acid
Knight go brr
WCS is always so silly looking
this was insane. curious about why you didn't skip the trap bench and use the other way to get into the beasts den
theres no ither nmg way of gwtting inti beasts den without wings, wcs isnt allowed if i cant otherwise do the movement without it
I wonder what the theoretically fastest time a TAS could achieve. If you cut out lantern and maybe crystal dash as you have wall cling storage I wonder what the fastest time could be. Im a hollow knight noob but I believe TAS could do darkrooms.
The all glitches tas is around four minutes, it's pretty insane to watch
ye, depends on the glitches you allow, ag takes it to the extreme, nmms (No Main Menu Storage) any% tas is a bit less extreme but still pretty difficult to understand.
But ye, if you skip cdash and therefore lantern itd be no problem for tas and youd get around 2mins of timesave or so
очень круто. спасибо за видео
wait a minute you don’t use cdash for anything it normally requires could it just be eliminated entirely from the run??
@@balderdasch4078 no, to be able to use wcs the rules state that you must be able to move trough that room in that same way withiut using the glitch. So basically you can't do sequence breaks usign wcs
just curious, why did you still get crystal heart if you could use wall cling storage?
basically it has to do with the nmg rules, you can only use wcs if it doesnt sequence break (its a bit more complicated than that, but thats the main idea)
Bwoah
Is this theoretically fastest? Are there any possible improvements?
ye, some small movement mistakes, some notizable rng optimizations, a couple of better strats here and there and a relic reroute which i missed. Most notable things are getting well relic after claw and doing beast's den on 1hp. Pretty sure everything combined still isnt close enough to sub 25 for it to be realistic, but who knows. The thing is that the project takes a lot of time and you inevitably discover new things about previous segments as you go along, and fixing them is not easy.
Regardless, I'd say this is by far the most optimized tas as of today
TE when or nah?
@@omerkaya4844 def not yet, but it could certainly happen at some point, another problem with te is that we still arent sure what the fastest route for tas is (between ssoul or shriek), so putting around 1000 hours into something that might be obsolete doesnt seem too fun
is it possible to improve it ?
@@jeddite247 ye, game is way too complex for it to be perfect. It has some notable mistakes though, so i plan on coming back soon to try to get as close as possible to sub25
@74v13r can i suggest something ? in a-mound, when u kill the first baldur, if u quit, immediately before going down, is it a good improvment ?
It skipped vs?
ye, turns out that it doesnt lose that much time during the run and getting to grewnpath without it became viable once the elder baldur trick was discovered
WHAAT
0/10 Didn't save Leggy (beast den grub)
tried, but it lost me time, i fought too hard in other places for the precious frames. If you look closely im actually pretty close to saving it
Is this tas wr
theres not much competition, but ye, this is 3:30 faster than the previous one
WTFFFFFFF
Bruh
That poor moth was running for it's life to catch up with Dearbone 😅🤣.. BTW, I thought crossroads infection was triggered by getting 🪽moth wings 🪽🤷♂️
im pretty certain either wings or any dreamer triggers it
@74v13r ah cool!!