The utter weirdness of kokanee is part of the attraction for me but they’re also a great outlet for tinkerers. I enjoy continually trying new tweaks while paying attention to the tried and true, and your videos are a great source of inspiration.
Funny thing you mention the depth with cannonballs vs downriggers based on speed. April Fools Crappie Classic at C.J. strike this year was exactly this for us. Once we dialed in that total weight, to work the targeted water column, it was lights out for catch ratio along with an unusual lure choice. We fished Anderson Ranch the day after and same thing just more drastic. Top water to 80ft or deeper in some areas. Prime example of seasonal changes on when or when not to use downriggers.
This answers some questions I was going to address through trial and error. Great stuff! Tyler have you ever trolled plugs or other tackle behind a Brads mud dog diver standard, or magnum?
I’m thinking I’ll use clip weights for the deeper depths where I don’t have a downrigger, but for shallow weights the slider weights seem to be very easy for me to control. Thanks for this info
Similarly, I’ve developed a preference for running sliders from 0.25 to 1.5 ounces and clips for 2 ounces and above. For me, 1.5 and below sliders don’t seem to affect my landing rate but above that it’s sure nice being able to remove a clunky weight.
Next question is what rods specs do you look for with that setup. Not using downriggers. What rods do you use. Length. Power. Action. Reel size. Main line. Leader line. Im more curious about the weight and dodger affecting the type of rod im using as im trolling and when i get a fish on.
Always love your video my goto as I work to become a better fisherman (especially targeting Kokanee). Just have to say however, I just bought these snap weights from the link and DAM they are so hard to open. My wife needed bite them to open them. Then they just slid on the line. Did I miss something?🤔
I would love to have that chart but I couldn't find the link in the video thanks for all the great information I love the videos and content and I dont fish for kokanee much I'm more of a bass band trout/salmon guy but I recommend you to anyone that has questions about trolling for trout keep up the great work god bless
With snap weights probably 90ish feet with 6 oz of weight but you could go deeper with heavier weights. I troll at 150' with the downrigger all the time
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Is there a little nub on your snap weight clip? You have to make sure your line is clipped all the way under it so it doesn't fall off. @@michaelpeterson6740
On your depth chart, is the amount of "line out" measured from rod tip to snap weight, thus ignoring the amount of line from the weight to lure? For example, if I let out 50' of line, then snap on a 3oz weight, then let out 50' more (for a total of 100' on my line counter); would I read the chart at 50' for 3oz, or 100' for 3oz? I'm assuming "line out" is from rod tip to weight. Is that right? Different types of lures/flashers also have different drag and weight, which affects the overall depth, right? Was your chart calculated with or without a lure/flasher?
@@spiltmilt Thanks for that link, Tyler. Great video, as all of yours are. You really contribute a lot to this pursuit, and I appreciate it. I'll be making a donation soon. That other video you linked answered some of my questions, but still didn't address how much a typical dodger/lure combo affects the depth.You mentioned that you planned to experiment with this more in the future. Is this still on your to-do list? The dodger/lure will certainly add some additional drag, which I assume will make the whole rig run a bit shallower than the chart says. But it also adds some weight (especially the dodger) which might make it run a bit deeper. Maybe these two factors cancel eachother out?
I don't expect lure type to have much impact but dodger size, shape, and weight certainly does and is addressed in this video here: ruclips.net/video/5NjFFKd5lGA/видео.html
I was recently at Cabela’s shopping for lead but they were fresh out of 5-7 ounce weights. Would you ever combine two (or more) weights to achieve a heavier weight?
Congrats on 35k! I recommend this channel to all my fishing buddies. So a couple quick questions, do you have a link for these snap weights that supports the channel? Secondly I’m looking at the combo packs from Paulina Peak tackle, would you recommend the Flaming Gorge pack or the Berryessa pack for the high cascades in Central Oregon? I intend to step up my kayak trolling game this year.
Links are always in the description Snaps: amzn.to/38c2tEz. In the next few weeks I am going to be rolling out a collaborative Spilt Milt starter pack with Paulina Peak tackle. Stay tuned!
Spilt really like your vrs this setup to this setup vids could you do one just plain tuna from a can white shoepeg corn vrs scented cure that would be great and thanks for the great content Mr Milt
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The utter weirdness of kokanee is part of the attraction for me but they’re also a great outlet for tinkerers. I enjoy continually trying new tweaks while paying attention to the tried and true, and your videos are a great source of inspiration.
Wow! What a great explanation of weights and the versatility!! Thank you!
Funny thing you mention the depth with cannonballs vs downriggers based on speed. April Fools Crappie Classic at C.J. strike this year was exactly this for us. Once we dialed in that total weight, to work the targeted water column, it was lights out for catch ratio along with an unusual lure choice. We fished Anderson Ranch the day after and same thing just more drastic. Top water to 80ft or deeper in some areas. Prime example of seasonal changes on when or when not to use downriggers.
Great explanation for why to use different size weights. Seems so obvious once you explained it
Great reference chart. Can definitely see the value! For practical use, how would one account for different line weights, dodgers, and lure types?
Thanks!
Thank you!
This answers some questions I was going to address through trial and error. Great stuff! Tyler have you ever trolled plugs or other tackle behind a Brads mud dog diver standard, or magnum?
I’ve used Flicker Minnows as divers running small spoons behind them for American Shad. They are cheaper than Brads and dive just as deep
I’m thinking I’ll use clip weights for the deeper depths where I don’t have a downrigger, but for shallow weights the slider weights seem to be very easy for me to control. Thanks for this info
Similarly, I’ve developed a preference for running sliders from 0.25 to 1.5 ounces and clips for 2 ounces and above. For me, 1.5 and below sliders don’t seem to affect my landing rate but above that it’s sure nice being able to remove a clunky weight.
Next question is what rods specs do you look for with that setup. Not using downriggers. What rods do you use. Length. Power. Action. Reel size. Main line. Leader line. Im more curious about the weight and dodger affecting the type of rod im using as im trolling and when i get a fish on.
ruclips.net/video/L6c_0GFyNqc/видео.html
Always love your video my goto as I work to become a better fisherman (especially targeting Kokanee). Just have to say however, I just bought these snap weights from the link and DAM they are so hard to open. My wife needed bite them to open them. Then they just slid on the line. Did I miss something?🤔
This is the first I’ve heard of anyone having problems. I just squeeze in the middle and they open easy. Biting them open seems odd.
Would the depth chart be different with braided line?
So when you say a 100 ft set back is that 100ft after you clip the weight on or 100ft total?
I would love to have that chart but I couldn't find the link in the video thanks for all the great information I love the videos and content and I dont fish for kokanee much I'm more of a bass band trout/salmon guy but I recommend you to anyone that has questions about trolling for trout keep up the great work god bless
Depth Table: spilt-milt-store.creator-spring.com/listing/depth-table-for-trolling-with?product=663
Thank you sir
What is the deepest you can troll from the kayak?
With snap weights probably 90ish feet with 6 oz of weight but you could go deeper with heavier weights. I troll at 150' with the downrigger all the time
I saw on your short clips that you were selling salmon setup with flashers etc... Where can i get that?
Its not mines a product from Lure Safe luresafe.com/product/75-15-black-flasher-and-cover-jacket/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1z2S1DaBfDfRkc1-YzEXTgiwo9RpJsPm5Dojcb8R5Lnje2q6OK99c4a1Q_aem_AShBBTDpmi_mM7yzFfXxmeuhi_XT4D5pW2BlIuoAnuwqKBGSi9J8i098f31_00H6AAdOKxKy32JUhhhHKuNQf0Si
@@spiltmilt Gotcha Thanks... Would you ever do one for your kokanee setups? I would definitely buy it🙂
I like using the drop weights but seem to lose quite a few in fighting the fish or even just in reeling in. Any secrets?
What hooks r u using?
I’m losing the snap weights that fall from the line. Thanks
Is there a little nub on your snap weight clip? You have to make sure your line is clipped all the way under it so it doesn't fall off. @@michaelpeterson6740
On your depth chart, is the amount of "line out" measured from rod tip to snap weight, thus ignoring the amount of line from the weight to lure? For example, if I let out 50' of line, then snap on a 3oz weight, then let out 50' more (for a total of 100' on my line counter); would I read the chart at 50' for 3oz, or 100' for 3oz? I'm assuming "line out" is from rod tip to weight. Is that right? Different types of lures/flashers also have different drag and weight, which affects the overall depth, right? Was your chart calculated with or without a lure/flasher?
This video explains the methods How To Determine Trolling Depth Using Lead for Kokanee and Trout
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@@spiltmilt Thanks for that link, Tyler. Great video, as all of yours are. You really contribute a lot to this pursuit, and I appreciate it. I'll be making a donation soon. That other video you linked answered some of my questions, but still didn't address how much a typical dodger/lure combo affects the depth.You mentioned that you planned to experiment with this more in the future. Is this still on your to-do list? The dodger/lure will certainly add some additional drag, which I assume will make the whole rig run a bit shallower than the chart says. But it also adds some weight (especially the dodger) which might make it run a bit deeper. Maybe these two factors cancel eachother out?
I don't expect lure type to have much impact but dodger size, shape, and weight certainly does and is addressed in this video here: ruclips.net/video/5NjFFKd5lGA/видео.html
What happened to the AP? Why’d you switch?
Here you go Why I Got Rid of My Old Town AutoPilot 120: Better Alternatives?
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Curious if you ever use Dipsy Divers or similar and your thoughts on them??
They create more drag than cannonballs and you lose more fish with them.
I was recently at Cabela’s shopping for lead but they were fresh out of 5-7 ounce weights. Would you ever combine two (or more) weights to achieve a heavier weight?
I do this all the time
@@spiltmiltAwesome! I just ordered one of the depth table stickers. Love your content.
Could you recommend some rod's to use with drop weights for level winde reels
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Are you able to see your snap weight on your helix like you would with a down rigged cannon ball?
Probably too much blowback unless he’s going really slow with a heavy weight clipped in close to the kayak
No
I fish much more efficiently if I bring a box of doughnuts along. 😄
💕 Wow💚💚💚💙💚💙💙
Snap weight vs diver video? I feel like you already made one lol
Divers have very little practical use at Kokanee troll speeds
Congratulations on 35k, slow grind to 100k, love your content!
Congrats on 35k! I recommend this channel to all my fishing buddies. So a couple quick questions, do you have a link for these snap weights that supports the channel? Secondly I’m looking at the combo packs from Paulina Peak tackle, would you recommend the Flaming Gorge pack or the Berryessa pack for the high cascades in Central Oregon? I intend to step up my kayak trolling game this year.
Links are always in the description Snaps: amzn.to/38c2tEz. In the next few weeks I am going to be rolling out a collaborative Spilt Milt starter pack with Paulina Peak tackle. Stay tuned!
Spilt really like your vrs this setup to this setup vids could you do one just plain tuna from a can white shoepeg corn vrs scented cure that would be great and thanks for the great content Mr Milt
Thank You for your professionalism and the time and thought you put into videos, I have been subscribed for years and i have learned a bunch.
Another great video!!! Thank you for spreading your knowledge!!!
I have a question. How do you know how fast you’re moving if you’re in a kayak or a pontoon?
I’ve noticed using braid is quite a bit of difference in depth vs your charts. It might be a good comparison video?
Thinner diameter and different buoyancy so I would expect as such
Nice
For me it’s way easier to take the snap weights off if they are further away from your gear when you have a fish on..
Yeah that’s why I prefer distances of 30’ or greater
Do you even use slider weights anymore for Kokanee fishing?
No
Great info , thanks. What is the best place to buy weights and snaps ?
Links to both in the description. Those purchases help support this channel