😂🤣😂🤣 As a former Mormon, your comment makes me want to find one of those insufferable propaganda videos from the church, where they say "Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going?" And cut to an Alzheimer's drug commercial saying "if you or someone you love is experiencing forgetfulness, talk to a doctor about [insert drug name]. Followed by "...a message from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."
That's pretty much how the show Supernatural depicted God: basically a narcissistic and petulant scriptwriter that created numerous universes so he could watch them like movies and he viewed all the people and angels and devils that he created as nothing more than playthings.
The far side comics did address that. It shows 2 booths, the one on the left had a sign that said the cold hard truth and the one on the right had a sign that said comforting lies. There was a long line for the comforting lies and no one in line for the cold hard truth
Same sentiment, unfortunately I forget who said it, but they made the observation that, "Human beings are extraordinarily easy to manipulate by simply telling them what they want to hear." I don't have to think very hard for numerous examples lending credence to this statement.
Once you realize that apologists interpret the bible the way they want to fit the conclusion that they already have, it becomes apparent that they aren't searching for truth...
A Christian I spoke to clearly ignores the horrific things the god of the Bible is responsible for. God can do no wrong in her world.i brought up the problem of evil to her and she just changed the subject. Apparently god's face is so beautiful we can't comprehend it. I was in utter disbelief when she told me that. I just thought of how brainwashed she is and her mind is damaged by her religious beliefs, It's so sad to see. I think a visit to a children's hospital is proof an all loving god does not exist.
@@pointbreak8646 exactly! I’m around plenty of Christian’s and Mormons that turn a blind eye to the horrific things their god did in the Bible. Between mass genocide of the great flood and whatever battles god sent people into to massacre entire cities or races of people. Even my mother continues with ‘god is a loving god’ even tho that god has done nothing in our lives. Even the Bible shows he isn’t a loving god, but a jealous and hateful god. Living in Utah, the ‘grooming and brainwashing’ are real. It’s really disgusting.
@@Ex_christian oh dear, Utah?! I couldn't imagine how mad it is there. There must be white short sleeve shirt and a tie men everywhere. I'm not aware of any Mormons near me I've met 3 Christians in 25 years where I live. I'm yet to put it to the Christian I know that walking In a children's hospital where you would see Children with no hair, drips in their arms, tubes through their noses should doubt this 'all loving god'? I'm afraid she is so brainwashed it is almost impossible for her to be rational about it. When she told me that god's face is so beautiful we can't comprehend it I pretty much thought there is no point in discussing her Beliefs anymore. is this the same god that allows these children to suffer?. She is so far gone, completely lost to the Christian religion.
My favorite part: “When you hear religious people talk about life without God being meaningless, purposeless, that we’re simply an accident of chemical and physical processes, etc., you can rest assured that these people are not interested in truth. There can be no commitment to truth when you’ve already decided that the truth must have a happy ending. And even worse, that your happy ending is just that: your happy ending-entirely without regard for your fellow travelers here whose happy ending is anything but assured, where most of us will experience the worst ending imaginable: eternal, conscious torment.”
I find it so sad too when the religious say life is meaningless without god. What a mindset to have?! A Christian I know appeared like a child receiving a present when she said she was going to heaven, as if that was the pinnacle of her existence. It was as If this life was nothing compared to meeting jesus In the afterlife. what religion and indoctrination does to people astounds me. It really does! One conversation we had she immediately said at the start that I couldn't change her mind regarding the existence of god, she was straight on the defence. I feel the honest thing for a person to say is minds can be changed....with evidence. As Aron ra says people can't have their own facts or truth. She clearly has. I think some people are so far gone that skepticism and critical thinking are none attainable, if it was proven to be false they would still believe in it. The physcology of a believer absolutely baffles me
1:48 Makes me picture a confused LBB waking up every morning, groggy and bleary-eyed, asking himself those questions... then suddenly remembering, "Oh yeah, grifter for Christ!"
I must admit that when you said your brother-in-law said he didn’t want to live a lie, for a moment I thought he meant he was going to listen to what you had to say. Boy, was I dumb!
Who am I? My name is Arek. Why am I here? To watch Mr. Deity's videos. Where am I going? Right now? To the bathroom and then to bed. I too have answers ;-)
Last time someone told me that my life was meaningless, I didn't want to be their friend. What arrogance to claim someone's life is pointless if they don't believe in your god.
The answers are in this order 1. Whatever you want to be, find out what suits you best ! 2. Experiencing this life the way you want. 3. Wherever you want to go, rest assured you can backtrack, change your direction or stop sometimes to smell the flowers along the road.
My accidents aren’t always happy, now they they have moved out on their own, and have to fend for themselves. They act like having to work to get by is some sort of torture. I know every generation feels the next generation is soft and lazy, but seriously, the entitlement of these kids coming up! And their music is terrible, and I don’t understand their TikToks, and I want them to stay off of my lawn- wait, I think my curmudgeon-ness is showing.
I am me, that's who I am. I am here because of evolution. I am responding to the current environment remembering a lifetime of experience and hopefully learning from the remembered past. Making plans and carrying some out. Interacting with other human beings being human, too. Going to my grave eventually, paying taxes in the meantime.
I happen to like the idea of being the random result of chemical and physical processes (although I know it's a bit more complicated than that.) There was no plan, fascinating and complicated stuff just happened and here we are. It's hilarious.
Agreed. But we humans are so self centred. We think we are so special. We have a soul. Other beings just die and it is off to oblivion for them. But not us LOL. We have a heaven or hell. Laughable. Please demonstrate any shred of evidence of a soul.
I actually disposed of my magic underwear exactly as the Church requested. And yes, of course, they have such a policy and procedure. I was still very respectful at the time. I didn't have a bad experience in Mormonism. I just realized it was all bullshit.
Sorry but we can't win. It's either oblivion, an eternity of praising the ultimate narcissist or having his enforcer shove hot coals up our ghostly ass forever. To me oblivion is the most likely.
I don’t understand why oblivion scares people. Hell scares me as I was raised Catholic, but I’m firmly convinced hell is a myth; a frightful one to keep us in the faith. But oblivion? How can nothingness be frightening? I’ve experienced nothingness for the 13.8 billion years prior to my birth and to be honest, it flew by, easy peasy.
@@InigoMontoya- That is so Monty Python! From "Life of Brian", "You know, you come from nothing You're going back to nothing What have you lost? Nothing"
Thank you misterdeity. A Bloody lovely episode. I was fascinated to learn that the LDS think we were hanging around before birth and linger after death. This LDS claim explains a lot of things, such as: "The World of Imagination", "Why Wanking is wrong", "Life, er, finds a way", "E T phone home", "I hate snakes", "In Space no one can hear you scream"... This is a revelation. Why don't more people believe in LDS stuff?
I heard a different set of questions: “Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, before the other side he see.” “What is your name?” “What is your quest?” “What is your favorite color?” Never did find the Grail.
That line of him not wanting to live a lie made do a mental double take. Not wanting to live a lie, is the primary reason I don't claim to be a Christian. The example of those deep philosophical questions is a pretty good example. Do the apologist look for the most truthful and parsimonious answers, or do they end on the answers that make them feel good? And for that matter are the questions formulated for an honest inquiry into truth, or are they formulated with the intent to lead to the answers they prefer? Reality is not obligated to make us feel good.
Where do I come from? Why am I here? And why do I spend so much time looking at digital watches?(with respect to Douglas Adams, maybe that should be changed to cellphones.)
When Brian started this video, I thought I was taken back in time to when Babylon 5 was still on the air. The three questions asked were 3 of the 5 used on B5. The two missing are "What do you want?" and "Do you have anything worth living for?". Now I am not claiming that B5 stole a Mormon philosophy or a Christian one, but it seem strange that most epic stories require some form of these questions. And religions are all epic stories.
I have a Mormon friend, and he had a melt-down in a restaurant years ago cause he accidentally sipped a soft drink with caffeine. My reaction wasn't exactly sympathetic: Are you kidding me with this?
Wait: Mormons can't drink coffee? Really? Because I was thinking of converting, but no one said anything about no caffeine. Man, that's a tough choice. French Press or God? Eternal life or Chemex pour-over? I'm gonna have to ponder this for a while. . .
I just can't accept arguments from unacceptability. As if reality owes us some kind of comfort. Like when a parent can't accept that their adult son is a murderer, and so must believe that he's not. Maybe if we all believe hard enough, all our dreams will come true. Or we'll waste our time and energy instead of making the most of what we actually have.
And you shouldn’t accept arguments from unacceptability. The argument shown from William Lane Craig actually isn’t an argument, if you check out his videos you’ll see it is far from it. It was simply a comment on the inconsistency of the atheist. I find the Kalam cosmological argument the most scientific and effective argument. m.youtube.com/@drcraigvideos
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 I wasn't specifically referring to Craig's clip, although obviously he was an example in this video that seems on its face to align to it. My comment was more of a general point about how apologists often talk about how life would be ultimately meaningless without God, or that we wouldn't be able to ground morality ultimately, and then you wouldn't be able to accurately state that X is evil with ultimate authority. If we were to accept such premises, what should we conclude? That the result would be bad? Or that therefore there must be a God? Can you fill in the gap for me, because I feel like there's a hidden premise that I'm not seeing. Mind you, Craig is a proponent of the ultimate meaningless of life on atheism. I don't know what that has to do with anything, assuming I was to accept his premise.
Creating a problem, and then proposing a solution, is also a political trick. There is no supporting evidence for biblical assertions, so Low Bar Bill has to make reasons up. Claiming that atheism fails to provide a sense of purpose, but Christianity can fix that problem without evidence, only demonstrates how weak Bill's Christianity is.
@@clemstevenson Junaynah at Dn- garden of Eden- at 20/20 by 42/55 in Asir region western Arabia with the 4 rivers and gold etc. Still Adam and Eve mythical and the trees and cherubim. Keep telling your grandkids about Santa but not the infamous garden! Bravo. The sun’s shadow reversing itself occurs in the Tropical Zone- western Arabia- as recorded with King Ahaz. Science in the OT. The religious message,like all religion and politics is man- made gibberish.
@@davidrandell2224 Yes, religious claims are just man-made gibberish. None of the claimed supernatural events are verifiable. The Adam & Eve myth would have constituted a severe genetic bottleneck, as with the nonsensical global flood myth. The bible is a joke.
Where did we come from? A magic cosmos unicorn's anus. Why are we here? We're here to subscribe to MisterDeity (and become a patron, lol) and... Where are we going? Uhh... Walmart? Eventually though... we're gonna rot in a box or be cremated. 😁
How is it that a logical error so big goes unnoticed. Their reasoning seems to be something like "Since I like those answers better, I'll accept the truth of the thing that makes me feel nice." In order to be consistent with that reasoning they should all believe they're fantastically wealthy and married to supermodels and perhaps a ninja or superhero or princess or famous sports star or something. Actually, some of them do do that. Like that mud fossil guy who thinks he's a scientist. Then there's that flat earther who thinks he's a pilot. Then the rest of them think they're good at debating. Actually the more I think about it, the more I see it. That is how they think.
This definitely took a different turn than I thought it would. You’ve inspired me to call up my local Mormon missionaries and tell them that I appreciate them as people… even if I disagree with their message 😅
ah, are there a finite number of souls? i was told that the catholics believe souls come off the assembly line at birth, but apparently some believe souls really are eternal, so, where are they stored, am i as old as god, are there an infinite amount of souls? a finite amount? will souls run out, or is there an endless supply, at least until the second cummin, what are the rules exactly? yet another plot hole waiting some filler.
Catholics are told to believe the "en-souling" process happens at conception. No word on if people that absorb their twin _in utero_ or are chimeras have multiple souls though. Perhaps god is frugal and has a strict "one soul per body" policy and recycles the extra soul for later reinstallation?
According to Judaism, souls are kept in the Guff - essentially a soul vault, and are installed into each new human upon their birth. When the Guff is empty, the Messiah will come.
If this god has a purpose for my life, which gives it meaning, then I don't have Free Will to do as I wish. Therefore I cannot commit sins by going against this god's plan for me since I cannot change my fate; and if I can only carry out this god's plan, why is there a need for any commandments, and a place of eternal torment and pain for those who can't do anything except what this god wants to be done? Talk about a downward logarithmic spiral!!
Remember when he had to drown (almost) everyone in a global flood because he didn't like what he created...? Hell, I'm going to give a wide berth to that amount of incompetence...
I am not made of a "spirit body". Pretty sure I'm mostly coffee, chocolate, peanut butter, and cheap red wine. (Ha! Later in the video you also mentioned a desire for chocolate... great non-mythology pro-chocolate minds...)
I like Bill Bryson's take on it. --- short history of nearly everything --- - introduction - """ Welcome. And congratulations. I am delighted that you could make it. Getting here wasn't easy, I know. In fact, I suspect it was a little tougher than you realize. To begin with, for you to be here now trillions of drifting atoms had somehow to assemble in an intricate and intriguingly obliging manner to create you. It's an arrangement so specialized and particular that it has never been tried before and will only exist this once. For the next many years (we hope) these tiny particles will uncomplainingly engage in all the billions of deft, cooperative efforts necessary to keep you intact and let you experience the supremely agreeable but generally underappreciated state known as existence. Why atoms take this trouble is a bit of a puzzle. Being you is not a gratifying experience at the atomic level. For all their devoted attention, your atoms don't actually care about you -indeed, don't even know that you are there. They don't even know that they are there. They are mindless particles, after all, and not even themselves alive. (It is a slightly arresting notion that if you were to pick yourself apart with tweezers, one atom at a time, you would produce a mound of fine atomic dust, none of which had ever been alive but all of which had once been you.) Yet somehow for the period of your existence they will answer to a single overarching impulse: to keep you you. The bad news is that atoms are fickle and their time of devotion is fleeting-fleeting indeed. Even a long human life adds up to only about 650,000 hours. And when that modest milestone flashes past, or at some other point thereabouts, for reasons unknown your atoms will shut you down, silently disassemble, and go off to be other things. And that's it for you. Still, you may rejoice that it happens at all. Generally speaking in the universe it doesn't, so far as we can tell. ... ... ... Consider the fact that for 3.8 billion years, a period of time older than the Earth's mountains and rivers and oceans, every one of your forebears on both sides has been attractive enough to find a mate, healthy enough to reproduce, and sufficiently blessed by fate and circumstances to live long enough to do so. Not one of your pertinent ancestors was squashed, devoured, drowned, starved, stranded, stuck fast, untimely wounded, or otherwise deflected from its life's quest of delivering a tiny charge of genetic material to the right partner at the right moment in order to perpetuate the only possible sequence of hereditary combinations that could result-eventually, astoundingly, and all too briefly-in you. """ I guess billy craig never heard about this one
Well, where do all the additional spirit bodies come from (population growth from approx. 2,000,000 people around 10,000 BC to 8,000,000,000 people by now, even if we would take re-birth into account - those are huge numbers of spirit bodies)?
wherever you go, there you are, you're never alone with schizophrenia, i am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. look no further, there are the answers you seek.
Saw two intense Sun Dogs today. One on the right hand and one on the left hand of the Sun. Therefore the trinity is true. From the Francis Collins book on how to become a Christian.
That's the title I gave him after he admitted to lowering the epistemic bar for Christianity. I'm thrilled that it's stuck and been adopted by other Atheists. It may be my greatest legacy. 😉
Yeah… and that Patriarchal Blessing also told you that you were a literal descendent of… wait for it… Ephraim, and thus of the House of Israel, "chosen before you were born." Gawd, you can't make this stuff up… but our former cult sure does!
The love and attraction these Christians have for their Hell of eternal conscious torment is amazing. The bible does not really support this concept unless you torture the scriptures to make the Christian god as evil as possible. When pointing this out and addressing some of the passages in the bible, that refer to the four Hell's, these people go out of their way to defend their precious Hell. They are too full of FEAR to let it go, or they are psychotics who love the idea of other people being tortured for eternity. For me, reading the entire bible the first time was a real wake-up. The first time, I read it specifically looking for Hell, but found four Hell's instead (Sheol, Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna) and none of them were the Hell I was indoctrinated with. That knowledge had a lot to do with alleviating my indoctrinated childhood FEAR, which then enabled more critical thinking, which ultimately lead to the demise of my faith. However when I try to take Christians down this path, they don't want to hear it. They love that Hell of theirs - and I'm thinking that's because of the personal salvation thing you mentioned. They don't care about anyone else. They want everyone who doesn't believe what they believe to suffer in conscious screaming torment. You can't take that away from them. So, I go back to Quantum Field Theory and ask them to tell me how all the information that makes me who I am gets transported to one of these four Hell's. This, they cannot answer.
Sadly, I think you're right. And they've been taught that such suffering is just and warranted - as if a finite crime could ever warrant infinite torture. It's a truly sick religion. Meanwhile, the Jains were embracing non-violence and concern for every sentient creature. D'oh!!!
@@misterdeity I just mentioned the Jains in another discussion with a Christian about how the bible is interpreted differently by all the various denominations and sects. They all make it say whatever they want it to say. I pointed out that this indicated that God was unable to properly "inspire" the text, so as to make it clear to everyone. The Jain's sacred texts make their religious beliefs clear to anyone who reads it. Why was that so hard for God?
Christians of all stripes speak of God's plan and they are overjoyed to be working God's purpose for them. I can think of nothing worse. The scale of the con job and the fantasy woven to make people actually want to be puppets or even slaves is staggering. At the same time that they speak of God's plan, we are told how our loving father gave us free will, that may choose to love him. And if we choose to use that freedom to not obey, we burn for eternity. God's freedom sounds strangely like coercion and oppression to me.
I’ve read that Christianity is a belief founded on this notion of slavery; victim hood, downtrodden, etc. Christians always think they are being persecuted.
@@learningisfun2108 It is certainly a Christian teaching that they are fulfilling God's plan for them as individuals as well as a movement . Many outsiders, like me, see them as willing puppets, taught that thinking for oneself is wrong. However not all Christians speak of being persecuted. This seems to be a particularly American phenomenon and a strange one considering the influence they possess. I live in the UK and here and in Europe and the rest of the Christian world there seems to be no such feeling of persecution. I wonder if it somehow goes back to the original pilgrims who were seeking a place to practice their harsh form of the faith because England was too liberal for them?
@@Outspoken.Humanist It seems to me - from the perspective of an American atheist - that American Christians who complain about being persecuted have only recently come to believe they are being persecuted. Their persecution complex started right after non-Christians started standing up for themselves and using the legal system to enforce their rights. In other words, every time Christians are made to take a step back from their accustomed role of judge, jury, and executioner in this country the vocal minority of right-wing conservative Christians cries a little louder about persecution. Despite the volume of their cries, it's still a relatively small group.
@@Dwayne_Bearup I think you have hit the nail on the head, as they say. It is good that the number of loud evangelical Christians is far smaller than the majority but we should not be placated by that. Without wanting to be over-dramatic, most Germans in the 1930's were not nazis. The silent majority are always irrelevant, it is the loud minority that drive change and in this case, change could be a move towards theocracy. Some Republican politicians are already very public about wanting it. I always think of the quote from Edward Burke; “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
@@Outspoken.Humanist Absolutely right. In my opinion, the seeds of the theocracy America could become are already sown. Those who want true democracy - that is, democracy for everyone rather than only the chosen few - have to be at least as active in the fight for it, even if they are not as vocal about their views. Unfortunately, most of those who are neither vocal nor active in the fight WANT the Right to prevail, they just don't want to be seen to want it.
Curiously, growing up in the 70s and watching _That's Incredible_ mine was a childhood of supernatural spirits even despite my secular-ish upbringing. As Carl Sagan put it, ours was (is) a demon-haunted world, in which ghosts lurked liminal spaces, and Satan was corrupting us kids with Rock-&-Roll and Dungeons-&-Dragons and allegedly had fingers throughout capitalist pies. _Omen_ sequels assured us Satanism (or at east the Satanic Panic) was alive and well with terrible rituals in abandoned homes where children were regularly sacrificed. Atheism wasn't yet a thing. Well, it was, but only science-nerds took it seriously and they were nerds. Religious ambiguity, though common, wasn't regarded as a threat, at least less so than feminists and lesbians. The Protestant ministries hated the Catholic churches and vice versa. Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists were foreign people with foreign concepts and we weren't supposed to care much about what they thought. They were lumped in with new-agers and neopagans, who were lumped in with all those other Christian churches that didn't respect the right passages of the right translation of the right testaments. The lot of them were deceived by Satan (the Rock-&-Roll guy) and damned to Hellfire. The internet was still dial-up and _AOLholes_ were a thing when the ghost-hunter shows came. Taking a page from the original _Ghostbusters_ (Dan Akroyd was a paranormal enthusiast) they tried to use modern sensory gear to detect weird shit and see if it showed any kind of intelligence. Sadly, none of the TV shows would publish their data and findings so that efforts might be reviewed and reproduced. As this was regular viewing by my roommate, we were driven to go on the internet and find faqs on what evidence there actually was for class three repeaters, graveyard haunts, or the human soul...or any sense of afterlife. There's nothing. Nada. The great big empty. In an age where we're detecting bosons and distant earth-like exoplanets with side-channel attacks, we've found that the human soul has no mass, no electromagnetic signature, resonates with nothing, sheds and absorbs no light. Where a tuckfun or religious interests have tried to detect the thing via dozens of experiments since the 19th century, we've not been able to find a single indication that we are any more than meat. Modern quantum mechanics experts point out that the human soul would be too delicate for the standard model if it's just too ephemeral to detect. When we die, all who we are dissolves like tears in rain. Curiously, Sartre and Camus knew this, and sought to offer alternatives to the nihilistic model it presents, but as Camus notes, living in denial (or to put it gently _taking a leap of faith_) is the _most_ common choice we make, even in the face of a society and ecology that thrives on deception and parasitism to con others to using their days and work for another benefit. We don't want to face the possibility the bird we raised from an egg was some cuckoo after all. But I'd rather know my dog isn't happy in some farm up the road, but her story has ended, and likewise mine will as well. There's no score to keep, no chips to cash in, I will have the capacity neither to be proud of my work or disappointed. In my own case, I'm still looking for answers to the question _so what now?_ But the point is I'm asking it in the first place. *Edit* Copied more copy than I intended to paste. Fixed now. Also typos.
As it comes to the meaning of life, I rather like the following: _I am driven by two main philosophies: Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you._ -- Neil deGrasse Tyson
I've got Mustang Sally's number. She'll pick me up and take me to Perdition Bar and Grill, right on Route 666, where I have a line of credit. It's true: "They throw the best damn parties on the Rim of Hell!" :D
Well we are the natural product of random accidents but that doesn't inherently mean we don't have purpose. We give our lives purpose not God. If God was needed to give our lives purpose then there couldn't be free will since God planned out our lives with no regard for what we would want then that purpose would be his not ours. God can not both give us free will and have a plan for us as those two things are in direct conflict. It's ironic how the things they think they'd loose without religion are actually what they'd gain.
I must elaborate on the God has plan comment. I would say there is a plan planned out that God has in mind, that we become His children and follow that plan. However, if we choose not to follow that plan it is our own choice, thought not Gods will for us to live. It’s similar to a father and a son. The son grows up and the father wants him to be a decent person, getting a good job, maybe get married, make wise decisions. But the son doesn’t have to do that, they could make unwise decisions and drink and drive, or get to work late all the time, or many other things. This is obviously not what the father wants, it’s a plan that he wants/wills his son to follow, though the son has free choice to follow. It is very similar to the biblical God, in that God wants/wills us to follow his plan which when we do is what mentioned as being born again, though we have the free choice to not follow that path. We have the choice between plans, one willed by God and one not willed by God.
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 First of all, being a decent person and having a happy, productive life is not a plan without that father specifying how exactly how said plan unfolds and is achieved. And the Father may have no idea how that's to be achieved for his son - only for himself. His father may wish his son to be heterosexual, marry a woman, and have children biologically, while the son is homosexual. His father may want him to be horrified by homosexuals and homosexuality, etc... But it doesn't even have to get that drastic. My father thought the road to happiness was a union job - he came of age during The Depression. But I needed a creative life to be happy. Not a nine-to-five. Whatever the case, if I didn't follow whatever plan my father set forward for me, torturing me for all eternity as punishment would make my father someone guilty of crimes against humanity. Finally, for everything to have gone exactly as God intended from the very beginning of time (His will be done) means that God had to know every little move each and every one of us would make for all time. And since he set the ball rolling and put us in our places with the wherewithal we possess, we could not have done otherwise. Think about it, Jesus picked Judas to be his disciple KNOWING that He would betray Him. Had Jesus just left Him alone, we would never know his name, and He would not be the infamous character in history we know. He might have actually even accepted the Gospel after Jesus' death. But God put him there to do what he did, which I assume landed HIM in Hell. And God could have done otherwise. That's what being all-powerful is all about.
For me the answer to where I cam from and where I am going is I am going to the same place I came from . Since the same material world exists in the future I suppose the same set of things could happen for my rebirth. What would prevent it? Of course time darkness cold do not exist except when there is a body to experience those things death would have none of that. My birth likewise came out of some timeless non feeling atoms who knows ?
Once I became a firm atheist and the two young Mormon men came knocking, I realised I was safely over the line!!! I can be saved after death by the Mormon g0d. If he actually exists, of course. Now we wait and see.
You’ll be saved whether or not you believe in a Mormon god. For according to their doctrine you’ll simply be rehabilitated after death in purgatory. For evidence against mormonism, I recommend this video. It is a depressing reality that Mormons live in. They may grow up living their lives believing something that isn’t true. It’s sad because they think it’s true wholeheartedly, and to tear that away from someone is to take their entire worldview, meaning of life, and throw it away. It can a while to recover. This is why the tone of the video is quite sad. m.ruclips.net/video/qcQthyiTA7c/видео.html
According to the general idea of Pascal’s wager that I’ve just looked up, isn’t it better to believe in God than not? For if God does exist (and you believe in the right one of course) then you’re set, but if you don’t and God does exist then you’re screwed. If you believe God doesn’t exist and He doesn’t exist then you’re fine. But wouldn’t it be smarter, given an equal evidence that God does or doesn’t exist, to be a theist of sorts rather than an atheist? Since there is less risk in being a theist.
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 Sure... but If I'm saved after death by the mormon g0d my bets are all covered and I don't need to believe kind of superstitious nonsense at this time, right?
The argument doesn't work anyway. They say that being the product of an accident makes us meaningless. But their God has to be accidental, since nothing caused him, therefore everything he does is accidental, including making us. Thus, under their story, we're just as meaningless.
I always go out of my way to not comment on host's appearances. But you are always dressed sharp. Where did you get that sweater? Flip the tag and tell me the brand. I'm buying one.
I love your work, but I think you need to make one minor change to be more accurate. You often refer to "The tribal, war-God of Abraham" in your videos. In Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou's new book, she makes a compelling case that Yahweh was actually a fertility god complete with a penis. You might also consider that Abraham is a fictional character. A more accurate (and equally funny) way to describe the figure in the Bible could be, "the tribal, fertility-God, Yahweh."
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@@misterdeity •Oh! I can't imagine how difficult a thing that must be to ponder... 💛💔🫂💗 •I DO know that IF you were My bruv? I'd be SO very proudayoo & incredibly supportive. •My appreciation for you ‐ & others similar to you, albeit rarefied (ie. Logical Hilarious Humanists) ‐ is nearly incalculable. •L♡VE, (in a healthy, parasocial, & wholly un·stalker·y·way) a fan from WAAAY back (my beloved friend {& a pastor's kid!} intro'd me >10y back}), E.S. (Amber)
"Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going?"
... sounds like Alzheimers 😐
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As a former Mormon, your comment makes me want to find one of those insufferable propaganda videos from the church, where they say "Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going?" And cut to an Alzheimer's drug commercial saying "if you or someone you love is experiencing forgetfulness, talk to a doctor about [insert drug name]. Followed by "...a message from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."
Bill has disturbingly unhealthy coping mechanisms for his existential crisis.
"Say what you will about Mormonism..." Don't get me started, Brian. NOBODY has that kind of time! 🙏
The most dark & terrible thing would be to be the plaything of some supernatural cosmic tyrant.
Wait, you mean the purpose of your life being to grovel to a narcissist isn't appealing to you?
That's pretty much how the show Supernatural depicted God: basically a narcissistic and petulant scriptwriter that created numerous universes so he could watch them like movies and he viewed all the people and angels and devils that he created as nothing more than playthings.
@@sledzeppelin I have a narcissist father, when I was little he was basically a tyrannical dictator. Yeah I think I've had my fill of submission.
*Having* an answer doesn't mean you have the *right* answer.
But what if I have a lot of faith in right?
People have never had strong beliefs that ended up to be false 😂
@@Joemamahahahaha821 But there's no way they'd die for them! Or so I'm told.
People absolutely do prefer a comforting lie or story over the truth in most cases.
The far side comics did address that. It shows 2 booths, the one on the left had a sign that said the cold hard truth and the one on the right had a sign that said comforting lies. There was a long line for the comforting lies and no one in line for the cold hard truth
@@littleredpony6868 I miss The Far Side!
@@misterdeity Gary Larson is a national treasure.
Same sentiment, unfortunately I forget who said it, but they made the observation that, "Human beings are extraordinarily easy to manipulate by simply telling them what they want to hear." I don't have to think very hard for numerous examples lending credence to this statement.
My preferred comforting lie is, that I don't need a comforting lie.
What religious folk can't stomach is that the truth doesn't care what we want to be true.
many can't handle the truth----------------
Unfortunately, it isn’t a trait reserved only for the religious. Humans, in general, don’t understand that facts don’t care about feelings.
Once you realize that apologists interpret the bible the way they want to fit the conclusion that they already have, it becomes apparent that they aren't searching for truth...
exactly!
Yep, and they can only tell lies and have no problem lying constantly.
A Christian I spoke to clearly ignores the horrific things the god of the Bible is responsible for. God can do no wrong in her world.i brought up the problem of evil to her and she just changed the subject. Apparently god's face is so beautiful we can't comprehend it. I was in utter disbelief when she told me that. I just thought of how brainwashed she is and her mind is damaged by her religious beliefs, It's so sad to see. I think a visit to a children's hospital is proof an all loving god does not exist.
@@pointbreak8646 exactly! I’m around plenty of Christian’s and Mormons that turn a blind eye to the horrific things their god did in the Bible. Between mass genocide of the great flood and whatever battles god sent people into to massacre entire cities or races of people. Even my mother continues with ‘god is a loving god’ even tho that god has done nothing in our lives. Even the Bible shows he isn’t a loving god, but a jealous and hateful god. Living in Utah, the ‘grooming and brainwashing’ are real. It’s really disgusting.
@@Ex_christian oh dear, Utah?! I couldn't imagine how mad it is there. There must be white short sleeve shirt and a tie men everywhere. I'm not aware of any Mormons near me I've met 3 Christians in 25 years where I live. I'm yet to put it to the Christian I know that walking In a children's hospital where you would see Children with no hair, drips in their arms, tubes through their noses should doubt this 'all loving god'? I'm afraid she is so brainwashed it is almost impossible for her to be rational about it. When she told me that god's face is so beautiful we can't comprehend it I pretty much thought there is no point in discussing her Beliefs anymore. is this the same god that allows these children to suffer?. She is so far gone, completely lost to the Christian religion.
My favorite part: “When you hear religious people talk about life without God being meaningless, purposeless, that we’re simply an accident of chemical and physical processes, etc., you can rest assured that these people are not interested in truth. There can be no commitment to truth when you’ve already decided that the truth must have a happy ending. And even worse, that your happy ending is just that: your happy ending-entirely without regard for your fellow travelers here whose happy ending is anything but assured, where most of us will experience the worst ending imaginable: eternal, conscious torment.”
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I find it so sad too when the religious say life is meaningless without god. What a mindset to have?! A Christian I know appeared like a child receiving a present when she said she was going to heaven, as if that was the pinnacle of her existence. It was as If this life was nothing compared to meeting jesus In the afterlife. what religion and indoctrination does to people astounds me. It really does! One conversation we had she immediately said at the start that I couldn't change her mind regarding the existence of god, she was straight on the defence. I feel the honest thing for a person to say is minds can be changed....with evidence. As Aron ra says people can't have their own facts or truth. She clearly has. I think some people are so far gone that skepticism and critical thinking are none attainable, if it was proven to be false they would still believe in it. The physcology of a believer absolutely baffles me
You are born, you live and you die. That's it and the closest you'll ever get to immortality is the people who talk about you after you are gone.
That's Greek to me.
1:48 Makes me picture a confused LBB waking up every morning, groggy and bleary-eyed, asking himself those questions... then suddenly remembering, "Oh yeah, grifter for Christ!"
I must admit that when you said your brother-in-law said he didn’t want to live a lie, for a moment I thought he meant he was going to listen to what you had to say. Boy, was I dumb!
Yeah, that was a real plot-twist for sure...
That’s exactly what I meant. He did listen. And he did leave. Guess I should have made that more clear. D’oh!!!
Who am I? My name is Arek.
Why am I here? To watch Mr. Deity's videos.
Where am I going? Right now? To the bathroom and then to bed.
I too have answers ;-)
All very good answers!
now wash your hands.
and tidy your room.
I am just typing this for the algorithm and to ruin the fun of people who write "First!!!".
Well done!
Two hundred twenty seventh!
I call them canaries
I'm of two minds when it comes to dualism.
i have to agree with both assertions. maybe.
@@HarryNicNicholas Of course, one of those minds is imaginary, but I've always dug soul music, so it works out.
@@HarryNicNicholas James Brown, auditioning a new guitarist:
"Can you play an E9 chord?"
"Yes."
"Can you play it all night?"
@@markgordon5266 LOL!!!
Last time someone told me that my life was meaningless, I didn't want to be their friend. What arrogance to claim someone's life is pointless if they don't believe in your god.
The answers are in this order
1. Whatever you want to be, find out what suits you best !
2. Experiencing this life the way you want.
3. Wherever you want to go, rest assured you can backtrack, change your direction or stop sometimes to smell the flowers along the road.
If this magic sky daddy has a plan for my life why doesn't it make itself relevant or known to me?
free choice and all that - enough with the goddamn questions
@@nobeoddy1664 oh no did I hit a goddamn never or don't you like to have your sky daddy questioned
“We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.”
My accidents aren’t always happy, now they they have moved out on their own, and have to fend for themselves. They act like having to work to get by is some sort of torture. I know every generation feels the next generation is soft and lazy, but seriously, the entitlement of these kids coming up! And their music is terrible, and I don’t understand their TikToks, and I want them to stay off of my lawn- wait, I think my curmudgeon-ness is showing.
Thankfully David Bryne already gave us the answer, we're On a Road to Nowhere.
David Byrne
I am me, that's who I am. I am here because of evolution. I am responding to the current environment remembering a lifetime of experience and hopefully learning from the remembered past. Making plans and carrying some out. Interacting with other human beings being human, too. Going to my grave eventually, paying taxes in the meantime.
I happen to like the idea of being the random result of chemical and physical processes (although I know it's a bit more complicated than that.) There was no plan, fascinating and complicated stuff just happened and here we are. It's hilarious.
Agreed. But we humans are so self centred. We think we are so special. We have a soul. Other beings just die and it is off to oblivion for them. But not us LOL. We have a heaven or hell. Laughable. Please demonstrate any shred of evidence of a soul.
As the creationists would tell it, “Just a bunch of rocks that gave birth to monkeys that gave birth to humans.”
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Be honest. When you deconverted, did you have to send back the special underwear?
I actually disposed of my magic underwear exactly as the Church requested. And yes, of course, they have such a policy and procedure. I was still very respectful at the time. I didn't have a bad experience in Mormonism. I just realized it was all bullshit.
Why am I here? God. Where am I going? God. Why does my tummy hurt at the moment? God. Oh sorry.... Fart.
Sorry but we can't win. It's either oblivion, an eternity of praising the ultimate narcissist or having his enforcer shove hot coals up our ghostly ass forever. To me oblivion is the most likely.
And preferable!
I don’t understand why oblivion scares people. Hell scares me as I was raised Catholic, but I’m firmly convinced hell is a myth; a frightful one to keep us in the faith. But oblivion? How can nothingness be frightening? I’ve experienced nothingness for the 13.8 billion years prior to my birth and to be honest, it flew by, easy peasy.
@@learningisfun2108 my nonexistence didn’t bother me prior to my birth, I expect it will be the same postmortem.
@@InigoMontoya- That is so Monty Python!
From "Life of Brian",
"You know, you come from nothing
You're going back to nothing
What have you lost? Nothing"
Where did I come from?
My mother’s womb.
Though she denies it. Lol.
But ... but ... how did you get in??
The laser penguins guarding the ice wall showed evidence of intelligent design by giving men prostates, DUH!
Eternal Conscious Torment: makes a good metal band name...maybe....
I hadn't realised that -Morons- Mormons were sorta universalist. That makes their theology less immoral than most.
Turns out it takes some effort and introspection to have a mission in life. Ain’t nobody got time for that.
Thank you misterdeity. A Bloody lovely episode. I was fascinated to learn that the LDS think we were hanging around before birth and linger after death. This LDS claim explains a lot of things, such as: "The World of Imagination", "Why Wanking is wrong", "Life, er, finds a way", "E T phone home", "I hate snakes", "In Space no one can hear you scream"... This is a revelation. Why don't more people believe in LDS stuff?
I heard a different set of questions:
“Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, before the other side he see.”
“What is your name?”
“What is your quest?”
“What is your favorite color?”
Never did find the Grail.
At least you didn't get the question about the airspeed of swallows.
I'll never tire of listening to Brian.
Have these people never heard of Happy Accidents?! I scoff. Scoff!
Not Bob Ross fans I guess.
That line of him not wanting to live a lie made do a mental double take.
Not wanting to live a lie, is the primary reason I don't claim to be a Christian.
The example of those deep philosophical questions is a pretty good example.
Do the apologist look for the most truthful and parsimonious answers, or do they end on the answers that make them feel good?
And for that matter are the questions formulated for an honest inquiry into truth, or are they formulated with the intent to lead to the answers they prefer?
Reality is not obligated to make us feel good.
Where do I come from? Why am I here? And why do I spend so much time looking at digital watches?(with respect to Douglas Adams, maybe that should be changed to cellphones.)
wherever you go, there you are.
@@HarryNicNicholas Thanks! If I ever want to find myself, now I know where to look!
@@Webfra14 tried that. kept running into my other self.
When Brian started this video, I thought I was taken back in time to when Babylon 5 was still on the air. The three questions asked were 3 of the 5 used on B5.
The two missing are "What do you want?" and "Do you have anything worth living for?".
Now I am not claiming that B5 stole a Mormon philosophy or a Christian one, but it seem strange that most epic stories require some form of these questions. And religions are all epic stories.
Glen Larson was a Mormon.
I'm onboard with it all...but mostly the chocolate!
I have a Mormon friend, and he had a melt-down in a restaurant years ago cause he accidentally sipped a soft drink with caffeine. My reaction wasn't exactly sympathetic: Are you kidding me with this?
Wait: Mormons can't drink coffee? Really? Because I was thinking of converting, but no one said anything about no caffeine. Man, that's a tough choice. French Press or God? Eternal life or Chemex pour-over? I'm gonna have to ponder this for a while. . .
Sounds like your friend is probably better off without caffeine in his system 🙂
@@knarf_on_a_bike No tea, too (contains caffeine). Can't be Brits, though …
They can't go in water either. The devil controls the water,and animals, too
I just can't accept arguments from unacceptability. As if reality owes us some kind of comfort. Like when a parent can't accept that their adult son is a murderer, and so must believe that he's not. Maybe if we all believe hard enough, all our dreams will come true. Or we'll waste our time and energy instead of making the most of what we actually have.
And you shouldn’t accept arguments from unacceptability. The argument shown from William Lane Craig actually isn’t an argument, if you check out his videos you’ll see it is far from it. It was simply a comment on the inconsistency of the atheist. I find the Kalam cosmological argument the most scientific and effective argument.
m.youtube.com/@drcraigvideos
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 I wasn't specifically referring to Craig's clip, although obviously he was an example in this video that seems on its face to align to it. My comment was more of a general point about how apologists often talk about how life would be ultimately meaningless without God, or that we wouldn't be able to ground morality ultimately, and then you wouldn't be able to accurately state that X is evil with ultimate authority. If we were to accept such premises, what should we conclude? That the result would be bad? Or that therefore there must be a God? Can you fill in the gap for me, because I feel like there's a hidden premise that I'm not seeing. Mind you, Craig is a proponent of the ultimate meaningless of life on atheism. I don't know what that has to do with anything, assuming I was to accept his premise.
Creating a problem, and then proposing a solution, is also a political trick. There is no supporting evidence for biblical assertions, so Low Bar Bill has to make reasons up. Claiming that atheism fails to provide a sense of purpose, but Christianity can fix that problem without evidence, only demonstrates how weak Bill's Christianity is.
😮”The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,1985 plus his 3 other bible study books or his blog.
@@davidrandell2224 The bible is of no personal interest.
@@clemstevenson Junaynah at Dn- garden of Eden- at 20/20 by 42/55 in Asir region western Arabia with the 4 rivers and gold etc. Still Adam and Eve mythical and the trees and cherubim. Keep telling your grandkids about Santa but not the infamous garden! Bravo. The sun’s shadow reversing itself occurs in the Tropical Zone- western Arabia- as recorded with King Ahaz. Science in the OT. The religious message,like all religion and politics is man- made gibberish.
@@davidrandell2224 Yes, religious claims are just man-made gibberish. None of the claimed supernatural events are verifiable. The Adam & Eve myth would have constituted a severe genetic bottleneck, as with the nonsensical global flood myth. The bible is a joke.
@@clemstevenson The sun’s shadow reversing itself is a scientific facts. Are you anti- science?
Where did we come from? A magic cosmos unicorn's anus. Why are we here? We're here to subscribe to MisterDeity (and become a patron, lol) and... Where are we going? Uhh... Walmart? Eventually though... we're gonna rot in a box or be cremated. 😁
Wrong. I plan to dissolve into some unlucky city's water supply.
@@sledzeppelin Ah, but what flavor, and are You sugar free? lol 😁
@@2ahdcat Luckily my favorite food is flouride.
@@2ahdcat I am definitely sugar free… per my ex wife. 😂
@@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues LOL
How is it that a logical error so big goes unnoticed. Their reasoning seems to be something like "Since I like those answers better, I'll accept the truth of the thing that makes me feel nice." In order to be consistent with that reasoning they should all believe they're fantastically wealthy and married to supermodels and perhaps a ninja or superhero or princess or famous sports star or something.
Actually, some of them do do that. Like that mud fossil guy who thinks he's a scientist. Then there's that flat earther who thinks he's a pilot. Then the rest of them think they're good at debating. Actually the more I think about it, the more I see it. That is how they think.
Then there is George Santos- just making everything up. Lie and deny.
"Low bar Bill" brilliant.
How about those actual secret handshakes??
This definitely took a different turn than I thought it would.
You’ve inspired me to call up my local Mormon missionaries and tell them that I appreciate them as people… even if I disagree with their message 😅
No need to call them up, they'll arrive at your front door eventually.
ah, are there a finite number of souls? i was told that the catholics believe souls come off the assembly line at birth, but apparently some believe souls really are eternal, so, where are they stored, am i as old as god, are there an infinite amount of souls? a finite amount? will souls run out, or is there an endless supply, at least until the second cummin, what are the rules exactly? yet another plot hole waiting some filler.
Catholics are told to believe the "en-souling" process happens at conception. No word on if people that absorb their twin _in utero_ or are chimeras have multiple souls though. Perhaps god is frugal and has a strict "one soul per body" policy and recycles the extra soul for later reinstallation?
According to Judaism, souls are kept in the Guff - essentially a soul vault, and are installed into each new human upon their birth. When the Guff is empty, the Messiah will come.
If this god has a purpose for my life, which gives it meaning, then I don't have Free Will to do as I wish. Therefore I cannot commit sins by going against this god's plan for me since I cannot change my fate; and if I can only carry out this god's plan, why is there a need for any commandments, and a place of eternal torment and pain for those who can't do anything except what this god wants to be done?
Talk about a downward logarithmic spiral!!
Remember when he had to drown (almost) everyone in a global flood because he didn't like what he created...?
Hell, I'm going to give a wide berth to that amount of incompetence...
"Who told you to say dammit, dammit!" "Gumby was not a smut mouth!"
I am not made of a "spirit body". Pretty sure I'm mostly coffee, chocolate, peanut butter, and cheap red wine.
(Ha! Later in the video you also mentioned a desire for chocolate... great non-mythology pro-chocolate minds...)
Chocolate sibs 4ever!
When I die I want Discworld’s death to be there to send me on my way to oblivion.
I like Bill Bryson's take on it.
--- short history of nearly everything ---
- introduction -
"""
Welcome. And congratulations. I am delighted that you could make it. Getting here wasn't
easy, I know. In fact, I suspect it was a little tougher than you realize.
To begin with, for you to be here now trillions of drifting atoms had somehow to assemble
in an intricate and intriguingly obliging manner to create you. It's an arrangement so
specialized and particular that it has never been tried before and will only exist this once. For
the next many years (we hope) these tiny particles will uncomplainingly engage in all the
billions of deft, cooperative efforts necessary to keep you intact and let you experience the
supremely agreeable but generally underappreciated state known as existence.
Why atoms take this trouble is a bit of a puzzle. Being you is not a gratifying experience at
the atomic level. For all their devoted attention, your atoms don't actually care about you
-indeed, don't even know that you are there. They don't even know that they are there. They are
mindless particles, after all, and not even themselves alive. (It is a slightly arresting notion
that if you were to pick yourself apart with tweezers, one atom at a time, you would produce a
mound of fine atomic dust, none of which had ever been alive but all of which had once been
you.) Yet somehow for the period of your existence they will answer to a single overarching
impulse: to keep you you.
The bad news is that atoms are fickle and their time of devotion is fleeting-fleeting indeed.
Even a long human life adds up to only about 650,000 hours. And when that modest
milestone flashes past, or at some other point thereabouts, for reasons unknown your atoms
will shut you down, silently disassemble, and go off to be other things. And that's it for you.
Still, you may rejoice that it happens at all. Generally speaking in the universe it doesn't, so
far as we can tell. ...
...
... Consider the fact that for 3.8 billion years, a period of time older than the
Earth's mountains and rivers and oceans, every one of your forebears on both sides has been
attractive enough to find a mate, healthy enough to reproduce, and sufficiently blessed by fate
and circumstances to live long enough to do so. Not one of your pertinent ancestors was
squashed, devoured, drowned, starved, stranded, stuck fast, untimely wounded, or otherwise
deflected from its life's quest of delivering a tiny charge of genetic material to the right
partner at the right moment in order to perpetuate the only possible sequence of hereditary
combinations that could result-eventually, astoundingly, and all too briefly-in you.
"""
I guess billy craig never heard about this one
Well, where do all the additional spirit bodies come from (population growth from approx. 2,000,000 people around 10,000 BC to 8,000,000,000 people by now, even if we would take re-birth into account - those are huge numbers of spirit bodies)?
The answer is God.
@@misterdeity I knew it would be that simple - and rightfully so, it should be bored to hell after all this time watching its creation unfold … 😂
wherever you go, there you are, you're never alone with schizophrenia, i am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. look no further, there are the answers you seek.
i think the joker laughs at you-----------------
@@nobeoddy1664 Ho ho ho, hee hee hee, ha ha ha
I'm cry...ogenic.
Look at how they fly like "Lucy in the Sky (with Diamonds)" look how they fly.
Hey water drops in sunlight makes me cry too 🌈 🌈
Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy
Sunshine in my eyes can make me cry
Sunshine on the water looks so lovely
Sunshine almost always makes me high
From what I've heard, those happy endings cost a whole lot extra. One more reason to stick with the truth.
What is truth?
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 Let me guess. A woman made from a bone. Yep.
Great content Brian and you are part of this greatness. 🤟
Saw two intense Sun Dogs today. One on the right hand and one on the left hand of the Sun. Therefore the trinity is true. From the Francis Collins book on how to become a Christian.
I looked and didn't see them. Dog gone it.
@@MalachiMarvin Just like Paul's companions.
Frankie was lookin' hard for Jesus. He would have found him in any number of things associated with the number three.
Low bar bill 😂
That's the title I gave him after he admitted to lowering the epistemic bar for Christianity. I'm thrilled that it's stuck and been adopted by other Atheists. It may be my greatest legacy. 😉
You said doody.
I know, huh? Giggle, giggle, giggle.
1:46
hey BILL!!!!
have you tried Google?
Yeah… and that Patriarchal Blessing also told you that you were a literal descendent of… wait for it… Ephraim, and thus of the House of Israel, "chosen before you were born." Gawd, you can't make this stuff up… but our former cult sure does!
Wait....I thought we were all literal descendants of a magically animated mud golem and his rib-woman consort?
How did you know? It's a miracle!!!
The love and attraction these Christians have for their Hell of eternal conscious torment is amazing. The bible does not really support this concept unless you torture the scriptures to make the Christian god as evil as possible. When pointing this out and addressing some of the passages in the bible, that refer to the four Hell's, these people go out of their way to defend their precious Hell. They are too full of FEAR to let it go, or they are psychotics who love the idea of other people being tortured for eternity.
For me, reading the entire bible the first time was a real wake-up. The first time, I read it specifically looking for Hell, but found four Hell's instead (Sheol, Hades, Tartarus and Gehenna) and none of them were the Hell I was indoctrinated with. That knowledge had a lot to do with alleviating my indoctrinated childhood FEAR, which then enabled more critical thinking, which ultimately lead to the demise of my faith. However when I try to take Christians down this path, they don't want to hear it. They love that Hell of theirs - and I'm thinking that's because of the personal salvation thing you mentioned. They don't care about anyone else. They want everyone who doesn't believe what they believe to suffer in conscious screaming torment. You can't take that away from them.
So, I go back to Quantum Field Theory and ask them to tell me how all the information that makes me who I am gets transported to one of these four Hell's. This, they cannot answer.
Sadly, I think you're right. And they've been taught that such suffering is just and warranted - as if a finite crime could ever warrant infinite torture. It's a truly sick religion. Meanwhile, the Jains were embracing non-violence and concern for every sentient creature. D'oh!!!
@@misterdeity I just mentioned the Jains in another discussion with a Christian about how the bible is interpreted differently by all the various denominations and sects. They all make it say whatever they want it to say. I pointed out that this indicated that God was unable to properly "inspire" the text, so as to make it clear to everyone. The Jain's sacred texts make their religious beliefs clear to anyone who reads it. Why was that so hard for God?
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 No. But thanks. You made me LOL! Is that true?
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 OMG!!! You're killin' me! LLOL!!!
@@ptgannon1 Great points, Pat! Those are goin' in the tool belt!
I gotta say, all this talk of a happy ending has gotten me wanting to visit a massage parlor....
Sorry, but D(bag) Watson has them all tied up, right now
Sooo. what happened with your bro? Was he rejecting you, or his faith?
He left the church. Of course he did. You' can't stay a Mormon and genuinely want to know what's true.
Fine work as I expected and have come to expect. So glad I subscribed now to inform others and up this sub number to 100K :)
Christians of all stripes speak of God's plan and they are overjoyed to be working God's purpose for them. I can think of nothing worse. The scale of the con job and the fantasy woven to make people actually want to be puppets or even slaves is staggering. At the same time that they speak of God's plan, we are told how our loving father gave us free will, that may choose to love him. And if we choose to use that freedom to not obey, we burn for eternity. God's freedom sounds strangely like coercion and oppression to me.
I’ve read that Christianity is a belief founded on this notion of slavery; victim hood, downtrodden, etc. Christians always think they are being persecuted.
@@learningisfun2108 It is certainly a Christian teaching that they are fulfilling God's plan for them as individuals as well as a movement . Many outsiders, like me, see them as willing puppets, taught that thinking for oneself is wrong.
However not all Christians speak of being persecuted. This seems to be a particularly American phenomenon and a strange one considering the influence they possess.
I live in the UK and here and in Europe and the rest of the Christian world there seems to be no such feeling of persecution.
I wonder if it somehow goes back to the original pilgrims who were seeking a place to practice their harsh form of the faith because England was too liberal for them?
@@Outspoken.Humanist It seems to me - from the perspective of an American atheist - that American Christians who complain about being persecuted have only recently come to believe they are being persecuted. Their persecution complex started right after non-Christians started standing up for themselves and using the legal system to enforce their rights. In other words, every time Christians are made to take a step back from their accustomed role of judge, jury, and executioner in this country the vocal minority of right-wing conservative Christians cries a little louder about persecution. Despite the volume of their cries, it's still a relatively small group.
@@Dwayne_Bearup I think you have hit the nail on the head, as they say.
It is good that the number of loud evangelical Christians is far smaller than the majority but we should not be placated by that. Without wanting to be over-dramatic, most Germans in the 1930's were not nazis.
The silent majority are always irrelevant, it is the loud minority that drive change and in this case, change could be a move towards theocracy. Some Republican politicians are already very public about wanting it.
I always think of the quote from Edward Burke; “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
@@Outspoken.Humanist Absolutely right. In my opinion, the seeds of the theocracy America could become are already sown. Those who want true democracy - that is, democracy for everyone rather than only the chosen few - have to be at least as active in the fight for it, even if they are not as vocal about their views. Unfortunately, most of those who are neither vocal nor active in the fight WANT the Right to prevail, they just don't want to be seen to want it.
*"Low Bar Billy"*
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Curiously, growing up in the 70s and watching _That's Incredible_ mine was a childhood of supernatural spirits even despite my secular-ish upbringing. As Carl Sagan put it, ours was (is) a demon-haunted world, in which ghosts lurked liminal spaces, and Satan was corrupting us kids with Rock-&-Roll and Dungeons-&-Dragons and allegedly had fingers throughout capitalist pies. _Omen_ sequels assured us Satanism (or at east the Satanic Panic) was alive and well with terrible rituals in abandoned homes where children were regularly sacrificed.
Atheism wasn't yet a thing. Well, it was, but only science-nerds took it seriously and they were nerds. Religious ambiguity, though common, wasn't regarded as a threat, at least less so than feminists and lesbians. The Protestant ministries hated the Catholic churches and vice versa. Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists were foreign people with foreign concepts and we weren't supposed to care much about what they thought. They were lumped in with new-agers and neopagans, who were lumped in with all those other Christian churches that didn't respect the right passages of the right translation of the right testaments. The lot of them were deceived by Satan (the Rock-&-Roll guy) and damned to Hellfire.
The internet was still dial-up and _AOLholes_ were a thing when the ghost-hunter shows came. Taking a page from the original _Ghostbusters_ (Dan Akroyd was a paranormal enthusiast) they tried to use modern sensory gear to detect weird shit and see if it showed any kind of intelligence. Sadly, none of the TV shows would publish their data and findings so that efforts might be reviewed and reproduced. As this was regular viewing by my roommate, we were driven to go on the internet and find faqs on what evidence there actually was for class three repeaters, graveyard haunts, or the human soul...or any sense of afterlife.
There's nothing. Nada. The great big empty. In an age where we're detecting bosons and distant earth-like exoplanets with side-channel attacks, we've found that the human soul has no mass, no electromagnetic signature, resonates with nothing, sheds and absorbs no light. Where a tuckfun or religious interests have tried to detect the thing via dozens of experiments since the 19th century, we've not been able to find a single indication that we are any more than meat. Modern quantum mechanics experts point out that the human soul would be too delicate for the standard model if it's just too ephemeral to detect.
When we die, all who we are dissolves like tears in rain. Curiously, Sartre and Camus knew this, and sought to offer alternatives to the nihilistic model it presents, but as Camus notes, living in denial (or to put it gently _taking a leap of faith_) is the _most_ common choice we make, even in the face of a society and ecology that thrives on deception and parasitism to con others to using their days and work for another benefit. We don't want to face the possibility the bird we raised from an egg was some cuckoo after all.
But I'd rather know my dog isn't happy in some farm up the road, but her story has ended, and likewise mine will as well. There's no score to keep, no chips to cash in, I will have the capacity neither to be proud of my work or disappointed. In my own case, I'm still looking for answers to the question _so what now?_ But the point is I'm asking it in the first place.
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As it comes to the meaning of life, I rather like the following:
_I am driven by two main philosophies: Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you._
-- Neil deGrasse Tyson
And you may ask yourself…
Where's my beautiful wife??
Same as it ever was!
This is not my beautiful house!
Well, how did I get here?
Isn't every ending a happy ending for someone? Think from someone else's perspective and you will always find a happy ending.
That's why I watch car crash compilations.
That’s so wonderfully dark!
"Low bar Bill"... I love it 😅
Great video!
I'm going to Walley World in the Wagon Queen Family Truckster
I've got Mustang Sally's number. She'll pick me up and take me to Perdition Bar and Grill, right on Route 666, where I have a line of credit.
It's true: "They throw the best damn parties on the Rim of Hell!" :D
Well we are the natural product of random accidents but that doesn't inherently mean we don't have purpose. We give our lives purpose not God.
If God was needed to give our lives purpose then there couldn't be free will since God planned out our lives with no regard for what we would want then that purpose would be his not ours. God can not both give us free will and have a plan for us as those two things are in direct conflict.
It's ironic how the things they think they'd loose without religion are actually what they'd gain.
God doesn’t have a plan for those who are not His children. Only after one is born again does the Bible say anything about having a plan for someone.
I must elaborate on the God has plan comment. I would say there is a plan planned out that God has in mind, that we become His children and follow that plan. However, if we choose not to follow that plan it is our own choice, thought not Gods will for us to live. It’s similar to a father and a son. The son grows up and the father wants him to be a decent person, getting a good job, maybe get married, make wise decisions. But the son doesn’t have to do that, they could make unwise decisions and drink and drive, or get to work late all the time, or many other things. This is obviously not what the father wants, it’s a plan that he wants/wills his son to follow, though the son has free choice to follow. It is very similar to the biblical God, in that God wants/wills us to follow his plan which when we do is what mentioned as being born again, though we have the free choice to not follow that path. We have the choice between plans, one willed by God and one not willed by God.
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 I was born just fine the first time.
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 First of all, being a decent person and having a happy, productive life is not a plan without that father specifying how exactly how said plan unfolds and is achieved. And the Father may have no idea how that's to be achieved for his son - only for himself. His father may wish his son to be heterosexual, marry a woman, and have children biologically, while the son is homosexual. His father may want him to be horrified by homosexuals and homosexuality, etc...
But it doesn't even have to get that drastic. My father thought the road to happiness was a union job - he came of age during The Depression. But I needed a creative life to be happy. Not a nine-to-five.
Whatever the case, if I didn't follow whatever plan my father set forward for me, torturing me for all eternity as punishment would make my father someone guilty of crimes against humanity.
Finally, for everything to have gone exactly as God intended from the very beginning of time (His will be done) means that God had to know every little move each and every one of us would make for all time. And since he set the ball rolling and put us in our places with the wherewithal we possess, we could not have done otherwise.
Think about it, Jesus picked Judas to be his disciple KNOWING that He would betray Him. Had Jesus just left Him alone, we would never know his name, and He would not be the infamous character in history we know. He might have actually even accepted the Gospel after Jesus' death. But God put him there to do what he did, which I assume landed HIM in Hell. And God could have done otherwise. That's what being all-powerful is all about.
Thanks Bri Bri...
For me the answer to where I cam from and where I am going is I am going to the same place I came from . Since the same material world exists in the future I suppose the same set of things could happen for my rebirth. What would prevent it? Of course time darkness cold do not exist except when there is a body to experience those things death would have none of that. My birth likewise came out of some timeless non feeling atoms who knows ?
Once I became a firm atheist and the two young Mormon men came knocking, I realised I was safely over the line!!! I can be saved after death by the Mormon g0d. If he actually exists, of course. Now we wait and see.
You’ll be saved whether or not you believe in a Mormon god. For according to their doctrine you’ll simply be rehabilitated after death in purgatory. For evidence against mormonism, I recommend this video. It is a depressing reality that Mormons live in. They may grow up living their lives believing something that isn’t true. It’s sad because they think it’s true wholeheartedly, and to tear that away from someone is to take their entire worldview, meaning of life, and throw it away. It can a while to recover. This is why the tone of the video is quite sad.
m.ruclips.net/video/qcQthyiTA7c/видео.html
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 I don't need any evidence against Mormonism, but I do have Pascals Wager down to a fine art!
According to the general idea of Pascal’s wager that I’ve just looked up, isn’t it better to believe in God than not? For if God does exist (and you believe in the right one of course) then you’re set, but if you don’t and God does exist then you’re screwed. If you believe God doesn’t exist and He doesn’t exist then you’re fine. But wouldn’t it be smarter, given an equal evidence that God does or doesn’t exist, to be a theist of sorts rather than an atheist? Since there is less risk in being a theist.
I’m just curious, not looking to argue.
@@potatoshapedwhale5614 Sure... but If I'm saved after death by the mormon g0d my bets are all covered and I don't need to believe kind of superstitious nonsense at this time, right?
The argument doesn't work anyway. They say that being the product of an accident makes us meaningless. But their God has to be accidental, since nothing caused him, therefore everything he does is accidental, including making us. Thus, under their story, we're just as meaningless.
Bravo
Theists are governed by primitive fear. When we are not philosophically decimating them, we should pause for moments of pity.
I actually do. I see them as victims who are taught to victimize their own children.
@@weirdwilliam8500 So true. So tragic.
it's why i don't argue with them in real life. that and the temptation to twat the stupid gits.
William "Ad Hominem" Craig and other liars habitually claim that our lives must be miserable. Projection is propably one of his favorite fallacies.
I always go out of my way to not comment on host's appearances. But you are always dressed sharp. Where did you get that sweater? Flip the tag and tell me the brand. I'm buying one.
I love your work, but I think you need to make one minor change to be more accurate. You often refer to "The tribal, war-God of Abraham" in your videos. In Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou's new book, she makes a compelling case that Yahweh was actually a fertility god complete with a penis. You might also consider that Abraham is a fictional character. A more accurate (and equally funny) way to describe the figure in the Bible could be, "the tribal, fertility-God, Yahweh."
AND a war god... same book. I read it ;) Yahweh basically consumed or subsumed El, even taking his wife... and El's role too.
He's a multifaceted asshole of a god.
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You know how to write? And you wrote a book. I bet they're short sentences.
Just got home and can’t wait. PJKOMB. Thanks Mr. D.
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*Edit* Omg... I'm so sorry that your brother died & so young, too...💔
I often wonder what impact he would have had on my life had he been around.
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