Miniature River - Realistic Water no Resin - tabletop games / dioramas / scale modeling
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Crafting a modular river for my wargame table top. This technique could be used for any miniature builds, dioramas and model railways.
"Hobby glass" are acrylic glass sheets used for greenhouses, garden shed windows and such.
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The plastic can be scored with a box cutter and snapped. It can help to make a few passes with a ruler to get a well established break line.
Nice! Thank you for that tip!
"The stuff you eat for breakfast if you're serious about life" could probably be sold as a marketing campaign to one of the big porridge companies if the hobby youtube thing doesn't work out!
Hah! I’ll keep this in mind :)
"by accident, I went into a hardware store."
I, too, am "accident prone", but it varies, art supoly store, stationery store. Stores full of materials are such excellent creative incubators, brimmimng with unlimited possibilities.
These accidents are prone to happen it seems!
Midsummer sounds amazing. The river looks great.
Thanks Paul!
I've learned the best way to lock flock is to spray an area with IPA then using a pipette drip small drops of watered down PVA onto the wetted areas of flock. The IPA breaks the surface tension and the drops wick out and completely cover the area. I love your style of video making - the casual tone is refreshing, and that you share the good and the bad is very informative.
Thank you for the tip Scott
Fantastic stuff Alex. I am always pleased when I see hobby projects ending up in a proper workshop 👌
Thanks Christopher!
The water itself came out quite good, I was skeptical at first, but you nailed it.
Thanks Knarb! It sure was worth the experiment. I’d like to see it incorporated in maybe a diorama or something. To see the effect built into something and not just placed on table.
If the movie Midsommar didn’t prepare me for the holiday, I’m not sure what will!
Welcome to Sweden! 😬
Fun video for sure! think the end result of the water looks really good
Neat idea, I may try this method out when that urge for a river takes me.
Our crafting journeys all begin with a single step. And usually have several steps where we stub a toe into some unseen obstacle, as if stumbling about in a darkened room. Where someone has moved the furniture about maliciously. But if one ignore the impacts a wonderful result can be achieved. Fine work as always. Cheers!
My toe hurts! :) agreed H, and thank you.
Looks really good, but might be more expensive and difficult than necessary. Next time try just painting onto the backside of a thin piece of vinyl or transparent paper like the kind they use for overhead projectors or for cartoon animation cells. If that works you can cut the material to any shape with scissors and either tape or glue it down to cardboard. You can still finish your game board the same way building up the banks and three dimensional terrain around that adding the extra stuff like the foamy water texture. Or you can skip the whole process of a separate water creation and just paint the whole board's design including the river right onto cardboard or preprimed canvas board and cover the river with a layer of gloss varnish where you want the water to shine and then if you still want some three dimensional terrain you can build up your cut styrofoam around that or you can leave it as a flat gaming board. You can use a sharpie marker to make a grid system on a flat game board or if you've made 3d dimensional terrain just use a laser level to project straight lines you can trace with the marker.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks for sharing your journey
Thank you Mark!
I've had a similar complaint about water game terrain.. and your discussion had me think about something; building the waterways as if they were truly elevated waterways, rather than a more natural recessed waterway. We have a lot of canals in the arid parts, and some of them have had dikes built up on either side, elevating the whole water way so the water level is above the normal ground level (this is so you can just put little gates on the sides to open and irrigate nearby fields, I think). This could be a convincing desert irrigation terrain. At least, for those who understand how growing things in the desert works.
definitely some good ideas here Alex. I have some Perspex...
I was feeling a bit smug there for a bit. Thanks Bill ✌️
Very entertaining story throughout 👍
Thank you BP
A joy as always!
Thank you Lauren
I've got a couple sets of the pegasus hobbies rivers that I'd repainted a long time ago, but I've started on a different set of things because I wanted to.
Mine are just thin plywood for the majority with the banks using cereal box/soft drink case card, then filler worked around it to add more of a flow and fine sand for the river beds, rougher mixed in on the banks with some stones, twigs, and bits embedded. I'm mainly using High Gloss Polyeurethane for the water effects, and a clear, gloss mod podge/Polyeurethane mix stippled ontop for making it less smooth.
As a side note, with the plexiglass, if you can find someone with a laser cutter/etcher, you can get it cut into the shape you want without any real fuss on that end. I'd actually used a similar technique to your rivers (with a print on the underside) to make some fissures where I'd built up the edges a bit since I was working on a mountain shrine for Ronin. And you may want to get a very heavy varnish to spray over the underside of your rivers because the paint can scratch up and many other things can get through that is more irritating to fix than difficult, but most tables have enough texture to them (even some of the mats) that it can "sand" through over time, leaving a mess on both ends if you don't seal it up as most paints, especially spray paints, aren't designed to take that kind of wear.
Great idea for building a modular river! One question though: with a young child, a day job, normal housework, how do you manage to paint beautiful miniatures, play AoS and create such high quality videos released on such a regular basis. I hardly find the time to paint a single miniature fortnightly! Honestly, I would love to hear about the way you organise yourself so you have enough time hobbying.
My first child is 7 months old. I laughed with my partner the other day that I think my hobby is now watching others do the hobby I want to do, and not actually doing it myself haha
@@TheRedMisterChow Hahaha, exactly, same for me. I must say I am better at watching others painting miniatures than at painting miniatures myself!
Thank Eric, I do prioritize this a lot, and as of late it has become something of a 30% “job”. Something I can do because of my wonderful Patrons. Before that, I think a lot of “priorities”… small ones. I have not watched tv in a year probably (I don’t even own one), I don’t play computer games… I don’t own a house in need of constant repairs 😂. A regular 20-45 minutes once or every other day can go a long way.
@EricLang You spoke my mind! And 52 Minatures response certainly clarifies a lot. I personally do play computer games (ones the boys are in bed) and I know I'd get more from a model pained periodically!
Your content is really pleasing on multiple levels. I'll be back for more 😉
Great to hear, thank you
Top notch, mate! I will look into this when I get around to making my own river tiles. Cheers, --Bo
Lovely, thank Bo 👍
Amazing. I love watching your process. Especially all the "mistakes" you make along the way. As much as I want MORE content from you, a downgrade in quality would make me sad, so thank you for taking so much time to create such amazing content.
Thank you Alice, I appreciate it. I think doing more would require hiring people. And since this all pays for about a 10th of me… we’re still a long way away from more :)
what a handsome addition to your gaming table. As i'm sure was intentional the colours fit well with your stargrave squad and probably your sigmar chaps. I find tile grout scenery can be a bit ... crumbly in transit and less robust for competitions etc than i hoped (but probably i'm doing it wrong)
Glad you went with 'braahn' water - there'd be hell to pay if you went with blue water and luke at geek gaming saw it...
Aye. This video is Luke proof. Tile grout & brown water 😂 I’ll be looking forward to seeing what this looks like with some of my mdf (once that is painted)
Can't ignore the Neymar jersey!! Great!
Aye!
This paint job reminds me of the Rio Tinto (River Tint/Red(?)) in the south of Spain :)
Lovely! Thanks Diego :)
Just one cool guy
I tried to make a river once by pouring a bottle of PVA glue into some cardboard sections and sealing up the ends. Let's just say this looks like a much more effective and less... messy process. And the end result is perfectly flat, which is not what you get when you cover cardboard in PVA glue. I think this is the one to beat.
I can see how your river got maybe corrupted by Nurgle or something? :) Sounds like a fun project nonetheless.
I love this. The plexiglass idea for water effect is so simple and elegant. Need to try that.
Thank you Krin!
Just make what the Dutch call a ringvaart. It's a canal around a polder that is actually higher than the surrounding land, so you can say it's geographically accurate.
your content is perfect. the pace, tone, color - the feeling throughout.
Thank you T!
I’m always amazed when watching your videos how that even though you make “mistakes” in your process and “should have done it differently” or “if I knew how to draw on an iPad” etc…that the results in the end are still really amazing and I super appreciate your hard work (and your narration is engaging and entertaining) and sharing it with us.
Thank you Ion, I appreciate hearing it :)
I think it is nice that you leave the mistakes in and suggest alternative routes for people that try a similar project.
I hope this for all my videos :) thanks W!
nice alternative to resin, not for the same result though, so both are complementary. As for the water based (solvant free) spray cans, you may also look for the Liquitex spray series which works as such.
Very cool!
Love the content
came out excellent, though making a muddy chocolate river doesn't grab me like a typical, even somewhat bluer tone would
I guess it depends on where in the world one lives :) I’ve rarely seen pictures of a green blue Mississippi, Amazon, Mekong or Nile :)
Great job! Really gave me some ideas
Glad to hear it J 👍
I'm going to be completely honest. The brown tones make your wonderful river looks like it's made of wood, and not water.
Personally, I thought it looked like sewage, or maybe industrial runoff. I never would have thought "spring flood" if he hadn't said it.
@@JCPRuckus I work on a sewage treatment plant, and not even that is similar to sewage. Personally, I found his colour of choice horrible for a very good job. But as he said on the video, ultimately it’s about personal choices. I’d probably made it kinda greenish blue, or something like that.
@@WilliamRamonTexeira - 🤷🏾♂️... I mean, I guess it's mildly interesting to know that real poop water doesn't actually just look like flowing poop. But my point was just that this looked like a literal "river of sh*t" when I first saw it.
@@JCPRuckus Yeah, people often think that… hahahaha…. But it’s like 90% water, so it’s kinda a grey-ish colour… But yeah, “river of sh*it”! Couldn’t agree more!
River of Shit would probably have brought in more viewers 😂
Great work...
I really didn't need a new project right now, but I want to try this very badly, lol. I wonder of just getting a large square of it and paining the underside blue would work well for a naval game. hmmmm.
Should work great! Gluing a layer of felt on the underside would not only make things look fancy, but also protect against scratching.
This is a super interesting approach to rivers. Like you mention towards the end, lots of scope for experimentation here and making really awesome looking rivers without having to mess around with resin.
Thanks Icarus. Yeah, I think a lot of cool things could be made. Even incorporated in boards or dioramas.
A couple of thoughts!
1) I think the look you have makes just a fantastic industrial canal in a urbanized environment. It's so, so, so easy to see this being fitting in a game of necromunda set outside the hive, for example.
2) It's a major project, but another way to tackle this would be by making the rivers two layers of plastic deep. The bottom of the lower layer is painted as a river bed, the bottom of the second layer painted with transparent paints or inks, and then the top of that layer coated with water effects.
I prefer making full terrain tiles for rivers (as part of a larger terrain tile set) because that allows for fully recessed water with ground level always higher than water level. (imagine one of Lukes boards, but in 1ftx1ft pieces, and you have a good idea. My main board was inspired by his Mediterranean board, to boot!).
That said, I also hate the snaky river tiles, but answer that by having as many corner pieces of river as possible- having lots of corners means you can make some great near loops, and large scale curves and river meanderings.
I like the idea of several levels. Maybe I can experiment with that on a diorama. Thanks!
I actually like the extra water effects better, the naked plexi is not enough for me.
That looks amazing!
I find blowing through a straw or using an airbrush on big blobs of modpodge handy for larger ripples, with the downside of it taking a day to dry if it’s too big
That is a great idea, thank you.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned about the table saw yet. Alex! next time you use the table saw, only have the blade protrude above the work just the height of teeth. Anymore and it's unnecessary bare blade that can bite where you don't want it to. Love your work and livestreams!
Thanks Markus! Good point. I think I know this… only use a circular saw to infrequent and forget.
Dancing like Frogs is always a good thing.
Well done. When I get around to doing my river panels however I plan on going with blue, black and gray. The black and gray more so for where I'm going to have an adjoining swamp or marsh area. I have some 1/8" 'hobby' wood in 12" lengths. Might have to split some If I want to do narrower rivers for smaller scale miniatures. I prefer the 28 mm figures, it just easier for my arthritis and not well functioning hands to handle. All those same hand issues make my painting skills look horrific but good enough for me.
Thanks you Charles and sounds like a good plan. I hope you try this out :)
@@52Miniatures I also play a lot of hex and counter games. for me miniatures have been new since the beginning of the year and I've gone in deep. though I did double with D&D and GHQ micro armor last century.
I have been thinking about getting some new pictographs to cover the game apps paper maps on my table area of 4 ft by 6 ft. I can probably get my son-in-law to cut up some of my old sheets that don't really fit my current area into some strips and recycle them for some other water features
Efficient and good looking in the end.
I've a project about strange water, I'll take some parts of your display. Thank you again very much for sharing. I must say, the visual video quality has really improved.
Great to hear, thanks K!
This is a great way to do river tiles, if only I had a circular saw.
According to another comment, one can do a few passes with a snap blade knife and then snap the plexiglass once one has an established break line.
That is simply great!
Carnevale is a game that makes good use of water, you should check it out
I’ve seen some of the minis, they look fun!
These came out looking great.
Thanks George!
Wow, this is some heavy duty hobby stuff, this is way over my pay grade but it's fun to watch you do it! Hey Montana Cans Primer.. but it's made in Germany. ???!!! I'm contacting my state's Attorney General to see if there's a copyright violation here.
Ha ha! Their regular cans (the “non” water based) are a good for priming, and cheaper than hobby cans. These water bases are handy for terrain I think, because they don’t smell and don’t affect foam badly. But overnight curing is a must I think.
Awesome river terrain Alex great work. Your videos are super relaxing. :)🏞️
Thank you!
Very nice idea and very nice look even after all the mistakes! :D
But pretty please, holidays are also times to rest and chill! Make sure you are enjoying your holidays and not just uaing the time to make new ideas and content for the channel! ;)
Take care of yourself and your family! 🧡
Och Glad Midsommar! (Lite sent men ändå. ;D )
Thank you Valdo. You are very right. I’m trying to make up for it now :)
I love watching you make terrain! Will we see your new Conquest minis soon?
Thanks Hunter. I think conquest is still a little way off. We’ll see!
@@52Miniatures cool. I haven't bought in to it yet, but those minis are awesome! I'm wanting to take the plunge badly. Really want to play AoS but don't have the cash so seeking other options.
Dominion almost got me. I love the new orks.
Thanks for replying Alex. All the best to you!
@@comicfan92 I honestly don’t know how much cheaper conquest would be… I’m going to be pondering a while
I'm honestly surprised, looking up Age of Sigmar's terrain rules, to discover there's nothing in them concerning "difficult terrain". Which is to say, terrain that is more difficult to move through.
But One Page Rules has such terrain rules. Limiting a unit's movement to a max of 6" if it moves over difficult terrain at any point. I imagine any unbridged part of a river would count as this, in OPR.
Yeah. I think there is to much “room for debate” when it comes to terrain and tournament gaming. So GW don’t do it. Also a lot of things would become weird. Like… why does the really muscular daemon not just crush its way through a forest? Or why is the dragon not able to just jump over the river? :)
@@52Miniatures I honestly don't know about Age of Sigmar, but fire breathing dragons are generally cautious about deep water. While a human can sometimes recover from a mild case of the drowning, fire breathing creatures taking on a lungful of water tend to boil internally and explode.
I was always kind of supposed the time didn't play a factor, I mean my night gobbos aren't known for their sun tans , and how does the bad moon work in the middle of the day?
@@stephenspackman5573 makes perfect sense… anatomically
Rad.
A quick Google tells me that the _official_ name for décolletage glue is “body adhesive.” So now you know.
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Bra skit!
Tack!
Midsommarstången är inte en fallos
Did you take the film off?
Oh yes!
I guess I'm not serious about life then :(
About once a week for me :)
*fniss* decolltage...
Precis vad jag tänkte!
@@52Miniatures jag har sagt det förut, men du har verkligen en fantastisk gnutta humor i alla dina videor som är helt kalas.
@@Smaakakor lite kul måste vi ha :)
12"×5.5" pieces?... I see you've sold out your metric heritage for the sake of your American audience... Lol
Edit: And now you're back to the cm nonsense... 😮💨... And here I thought we'd turned you fully to the dark side.
I prefer the confusion of using both. Something of a Bounty Hunter perhaps?
Fantastic stuff Alex. I am always pleased when I see hobby projects ending up in a proper workshop 👌