WHO IS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD? - A MESSAGE TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST
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WHO IS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD? - A MESSAGE TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST
You give a proper delineation and exposition of the third person.
Thank you for the many supporting statements of EGW.
This is soo so clear!! Multiple quotes and bible verses. Those that refuse to understand this explanation just prove their own rebellion, purposeful ignorance and pride.
Amen🙏🏼
Glory and Praises unto our heavenly Father and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, by the divinity of Christ Jesus, His second nature, we're victorious over sin, it's this the Third Person of the Godhead. So powerful timely message. Thanks so much for sharing beloved brethren. Maranatha 🙏❤️❤️🌍🇺🇬
Amen! The Bible and Inspiration are in total harmony. O, how I pray for the leaders of the GC and BRI to open their eyes before the close of probation.
*"How few realize* that *JESUS, UNSEEN, is WALKING by their side!* How ashamed many would be to hear *His voice speaking to them, and to know that He heard all their foolish, common talk!"* 10LtMs, Lt 57, 1895, par. 34
Who is the “Holy Spirit PERSON” who is “walking by our side”? It is none other than the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Who is it that gives us light and teaches us God's truth? It is none other but Jesus, *"Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their prayers and look to Jesus; then He would look to His Father, and appear to be pleading with Him. *A light would come from the Father to the Son and from the Son to the praying company.* Then I saw an* exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son, and from the Son it waved over the people before the throne."* EW, p.54.2
There is no other “third being” involved. This light and power of the Holy Spirit comes from God the Father to His Son Jesus, and then *FROM JESUS DIRECTLY TO US, by His own Spirit.*
“The divine Spirit that the world's Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God.” - Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891
They did not think that the subject of their conversation was walking by their side; *FOR CHRIST REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THOUGH HE WERE ANOTHER PERSON."* DA p.800.1
Satan is trying to remove Christ from the minds and lives of God's people so that they never gain victory over sin. Read what Inspiration says,
*Speaking of Satan,* - Inspiration says *"He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter,* as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, “This is the way, walk ye in it." E. G. White, RH, Aug 26, 1890, par.10
Christ is knocking at the door, will we let Him in [Rev 3:20] *It is Christ* who *“dwells in our hearts”* [Ephesians 3:17]. *It is Christ* who lives in us [Galatians 2:20]. *It is Christ* in us, that *“Spirit”* which gives us life [Romans 8:10-11]. And as Paul confirmed in Galatians 4:6, God was to send *the Spirit of HIS SON to us,* and *not some other third being.* This is why Paul also said in 2 Corinthians 3:17, that *the LORD [Christ] is that Spirit.*
Romans 8:9 *”But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.* Now *if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”*
Thanks for sharing the SOP quotes. We are very familiar with them 🙂
Amen x great teaching thank you, inspired and clearly dispelling any notion of the trinity illusion x as always love the music and graphics x much love and God Bless always from the UK xx
Absolutely Beautiful!
Aamen. I am blessed to find this video. So many I learned . God bless you brother
Thank you for this study... it is so clear, and easily understood... may God bless you, for the time and care that you put into it...
This video should start to wake people up🙂
Praise God!!!!
The truth is so beautiful!!!!
Thank you for this amazing study!!!!
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Thank you for your very kind feedback. If you haven't done so already, please remember that you can download the study guide of this particular video in the description box. Enjoy.
@@pioneeringagain1844 Thank you soooo much! Yes! I will download and copy and spread it! God bless you richly with your ministry! 🙏🙏🙏
Amen
All glory and honor be unto God The father, God the Son, And God the Holy Ghost!
Looking forward to the next video.
Are you really looking forward? And for what reason?
You say 'God the Son' and 'God the Holy Ghost'...which book contains these titles?... Not our Bible.
Thank you for this excellent study. It makes consummate sense to me. Liked and subscribed. Thank you Jesus for leading me here.
very well done. This study on the subject of this quote is very simple but complex at the same time. May the Lord guide you further through His holy spirit
Thank you. I now understand about who Jesus really is. Praise God for your video.❤
Praise God and His Son for some of the SOP quotes. I must share this scripture with you Act 20 :28 it clearly shows that it is the Son of GOD
Father son and holy Spirit
Person=Title/office
One man can hold 2 offices, it doesn’t make him 2 human beings.
You can be a Father and a son, or a mother and an aunt.
Jesus holds many titles, including the office of comforter, savior, priest, son of God, son of man, I am, the Good Shepherd, Door, the Way, Truth, ….
1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening(life giving)spirit. [46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV
[5] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Colossians 1:27-29 KJV
[27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: [28] Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: [29] Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Acts 10:34 KJV
[34] Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Deuteronomy 10:17 KJV
[17] For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward
Romans 2:11 KJV
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.
Job 34:19 KJV
[19] How much less to him that accepteth not the persons of princes, nor regardeth the rich more than the poor? for they all are the work of his hands.
Ephesians 6:9 KJV
[9] And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
Colossians 3:22-25 KJV
[22] Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: [23] And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; [24] Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. [25] But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Ltr 66 a very clear. Ty, excellent message.
You just explained the Holy Ghost! EGW said it is a mystery, and cannot be explained...silence is golden. The bible says something completely different. When EGW said Trio, she meant 3, not 2 or anything else.
Praise Yahshua for a beautiful and clear testimony.. I pray for eyesalve to better recognize and reverence the presence and will of my Master.. please may we submit to the design and purpose of Yahweh who desires to bring us into the fellowship of the divine!
Amen!
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A lot of Adventists mistaken the identity of the Spirit for the nature of the Spirit So when you identify who! the Holy Spirit is they refer to the quote in Acts of the Apostles p. 52.1 The nature of the Spirit is! a mystery, how can the Spirit be everywhere present at once? Sister White clearly reveals the identity of that Spirit whose nature is a mystery from the quotes the Brother is reading.
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The third person is so wonderful. I’m thankful the third person came down upon Christ when Christ was baptized
as recorded in Matthew 3:16-17. Also when the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead came down upon the apostles BECAUSE they were OBEDIENTLY observing the feast of Pentecost as commanded in Leviticus 23:15-21.
You see, people that don’t believe in the third person the godhead cannot receive the Holy Spirit for how shall I receive that which they do not believe. Furthermore, acts chapter 5 verse 32 specifically says that the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God.
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also **the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.**
So the people that are refusing to learn the entire Torah and obey God’s holy feast days will never receive the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. They are too busy teaching people that we don’t need to obey God anymore because Jesus came and died so that we don’t have to obey.
This is one of the reasons why I know that all the people that are telling me there is no third person of the Godhead do not have the Holy Spirit at all. They are wandering aimlessly in the dark following their own shadows and sparks of their own kindling.
Study again and don't allow pride or prejudice to blind your eyes to the truth.
@@pioneeringagain1844what sin is unpardonable, it is a sin against the Holy Spirit?
@@oliversrestarejayes blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. If He didn't have personhood in the Godhead how could He be blasphemed against?
Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress His own character on His church.-The Review and Herald, November 19, 1908 YRP 13.3
Yo so inspired brother
Thank you for the videos you make. I've watched a few already and plan to watch them all. I don't know if you've quoted this bible scripture anywhere in your videos, but I thought it was so amazing I wanted to share it with you. It's Romans 1:20. It says, "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" In other words, the Godhead can be explained by the things God has made. In Genesis 1:26-27 it says, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." I think man and woman represent the Godhead. I think man is supposed to represent God the Father and woman is supposed to represent the Son of God. Eve (a woman) came from Adam (a man). Christ is the begotten Son of God. He came from God the Father. Jesus has two natures: divine and human. Men can only be called men. But women can be called man (as in mankind) and woman. No wonder Satan is targeting the sexes and creating this confusion; he wants the world to be confused about the Godhead, and minimize the sacrifice God made by giving his only begotten, literal, son to save humanity.
The bible says that Christ is the only begotten Son of God. So God the Father and the Son of God are a literal Father and Son. In 1 John 2:22 it says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
Amen! God is good! :D
Hello,
Thank you for your Bible Scripture quote. I do see some light in what you have shared and I liked how you conveyed it. So thank you for posting :-)
The holy spirit is NOT a person but God's active force which he uses to accomplish his purpose or will. When Stephen was given a glipse of heaven, he saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of God, no mention of the 3rd person. When you look at John 1:1 you see Jesus as the word of God WITH God, again no mention of a 3rd person.
You are correct in some of your assertions. But the Holy Spirit has been mentioned as a Person even from Ellen G White. However the identity of the Holy Spirit is not another Person, but the Divine Nature of Christ. Christ has two nature's. One human and one Divine. It is His Divine Nature which is the Person of the Holy Spirit as clearly revealed in that video.
Praise you Lord,i am being condemn by so many because of This truth n so many more.Thank you father,Thank u Jesus...Im being persecuted for your sake.Praise The Lord.
Stay strong IN the Lord. He knows what you have been going through. Remember Matthew 5:10-12 🙂
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. - AA 52.1
It really is interesting how the original DA does not capitalize "third person", but already in my copy, which is apparently from the 1940s, a time when LeRoy Froom was very busy with doing damage to the church, it has been changed to "Third Person".
Yes, exactly. Froom did great damage with his error. Or whatever it was but it sure wasn't correct.
Great message.
My question is so before Jesus put on humanity, we hard only two persons that is the Father and Son, then after incarnation we got the third person. More light on the matter before incarnation
Christ has now got TWO NATURES, IN ONE PERSON. In the beginning He had the nature from His Father which was Divine. Then Christ inherited our flesh when He became incarnate. This is clearly revealed in the Bible & SOP. TWO NATURES, BUT ONE PERSON.
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So before incarnation, the Holy Spirit is the same as divine nature of God and Christ
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The Holy spirit is either the Fathers or sons DIVINE OMNIPRESENCE nature's. Please read: Psalms 51:11 & Psalms 139:7. The Spirit is always linked to God.
@@pioneeringagain1844 We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ, Letter 66, 1894. And it makes sense since Jesus inherited everything from the Only True God, God the Father including being a Spirit, John 4:24.
Humans are human. That is their nature. Without GOD we are fallen. In Christ we are like him. Whatever Christ is, we are. We do not all become GOD. There is one GOD. And one person who is GOD. It is sad to see that Ellen fell for Trinitarianism.
The third person of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit, not Jesus or the Father. It just doesn’t get any clearer.
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.” [James 1:5, 6.] “And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him because we keep his commandments and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.” [1 John 3:22.] “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children keep yourselves from idols.” [1 John 5:20, 21.] The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency. 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
The Third Person of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit, WHICH IS the Spirit OF Christ. It doesn't get any clearer.
Pay attention Greg Cox:
- “That CHRIST should manifest HIMSELF to them, and YET BE INVISIBLE to the world, was a MYSTERY to the disciples. They COULD NOT UNDERSTAND the words of Christ in their SPIRITUAL SENSE. They were thinking of the OUTWARD, VISIBLE MANIFESTATION. They could not take in the fact that they could have the PRESENCE OF CHRIST with them, and yet HE BE UNSEEN by the world. They did NOT UNDERSTAND the meaning of a SPIRITUAL MANIFESTATION.” {SW, September 13, 1898 par. 2}
- “CHRIST is WITHDRAWN ONLY FROM THE EYE OF SENSE, but HE IS AS TRULY PRESENT BY HIS SPIRIT AS WHEN HE WAS VISIBLY PRESENT ON EARTH.” {ST April 7, 1890, par. 6}
If the Holy Spirit was a "separate individual being" from Christ, then it would be impossible for Ellen White to say this. Because that would not be Christ "truly as present AS when He was visibly present on earth". This proves that it is HIS very own Spirit that He possesses. It's why Christ had to ascend to heaven to be glorified before He could send it. Now He could send His own Divine Spirit.
“We must reach a higher standard; the highest influences in all the universe should be embodied in all our works. This is THE INFLUENCE OF THE COMFORTER EMANATING FROM GOD... {Ms4-1891.6}
Note: The source of all power is the Father. The holy Spirit emanates from Him. Jesus makes it clear that the Spirit “proceedeth from the Father” (John 15:26). Thus He says that “I will pray [or ask] the Father and He [the Father] shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever” (John 14:26). Yet this very same Spirit proceeds from the Son Himself. In fact sister White informs us that “ANOTHER COMFORTER” actually “refers to THE OMNIPRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, CALLED THE COMFORTER.” {Lt7-1891.14}
“THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH PROCEEDS FROM THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ.” (RH, April 5, 1906)
“The sap of the vine, ascending from the root, is diffused to the branches, sustaining growth and producing blossoms and fruit. So the life-giving power of the Holy Spirit, PROCEEDING FROM THE SAVIOUR, pervades the soul, renews the motives and affections, and brings even the thoughts into obedience to the will of God, enabling the receiver to bear the precious fruit of holy deeds.” (AA 284)
"To all who desire to be recipients of HIS SPIRIT, THE VIRTUE FLOWS OUT FROM CHRIST. Christ. And it is IN THIS WAY that the character of God, the perfection of Christ and the Father, is brought before the world." (RH, October 14, 1902 par. 11)
“Jesus is waiting to breathe upon all His disciples, and give them the inspiration of HIS SANCTIFYING SPIRIT, and TRANSFUSE THE VITAL INFLUENCE FROM HIMSELF to His people." (Signs of the Times, Oct. 3, 1892.)
"With his long human arm the Son of God encircled the whole human family, while with his divine arm he grasped the throne of the Infinite. His own individual presence was necessary, that in seeing him we might see the Father. He placed his throne, his spiritual kingdom, upon the earth. He revealed his special grace, and opened to our view the wonders of heavenly things. HE IMPARTED HIS OWN DIVINE SPIRIT TO HUMANITY, thus exalting humanity in the scale of moral worth with God.” {YI July 29, 1897, par. 9}
I'm so glad you can see the truth brother, I've been absolutely attacked by people who call themselves Seventh Day Adventists, being so un -christlike in their comments. It's plainly biblical, but no, they won't have it. Stand firm for the truth 🙏
*⏩In REGARD to the PERSONALITY and PREROGATIVES of GOD, where He is, and WHAT HE IS, this is A SUBJECT WHICH WE ARE NOT TO DARE TO TOUCH. ⏩On this theme SILENCE is ELOQUENCE. It is those who have no experimental KNOWLEDGE OF GOD who venture to SPECULATE in regard to Him. Did they know more of Him, they would have LESS to SAY about what He is. The one who in the daily life holds closest communion with God, and who has the deepest knowledge of Him, realizes most keenly the UTTER INABILITY OF HUMAN BEINGS TO EXPLAIN the CREATOR.... MM 92.3
The flock of God need PRESENT TRUTH, this is the only thing that will help us to make our calling and election sure! We have no option but to strive by the grace of God to attain perfection!!
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JOHN 17:1-3
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Your post is dealing with explaining on "WHAT HE IS" or in other words trying to explain what The Creator is!!
IF you would care to read through your quote posted VERY CAREFULLY, you will see this!!!
It's difficult to comment on this, but allow me to be this brief: 1. EGW is categorical that the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Godhead.Ev.617. 2. The HS is a Representative of Christ MYP55. The power of grace which saves us is from Christ but it comes into our hearts through the HS of grace. 3. According to you there's no distinct Person of the Holy Spirit!!!!!! God have mercy on us.
Can it be any slower
Dear brother! I try to copy your presentation to share with others and I can find one quote from Letters and Manuscripts, vol. 14, 1899 It is on time 10:20 of your presentation. And also a quote from “ Our Father Cares, p. 303, I can’t find it in my electronic version. Can you help me please!
Thank you. God bless you.
Here is the link. It can be found on the Ellen g White Estate website.
Letters and Manuscripts, vol.14, 1899
Christ had two natures, the nature of a man and the nature of God. In Him divinity and humanity were combined. Upon His mediatorial work hangs the hope of the perishing world. No one but Christ has ever succeeded in living a perfect life, in living a pure, spotless character. He exhibited a perfect humanity, combined with Deity; and by preserving each nature distinct He has given to the world a representation of the character of God and the character of a perfect man. He shows us what God is and what man may become-Godlike in character.
Link(scroll through and you shall see it):
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/14064.7352001?hl=Christ+had+two+natures&ss=eyJ0b3RhbCI6NDU5LCJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJDaHJpc3QgaGFkIHR3byBuYXR1cmVzIiwidHlwZSI6ImJhc2ljIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIiwibGltaXQiOiIyMCJ9LCJpbmRleCI6MzJ9#7352053
Here is the other one. Again found on the Ellen g White Estate.
Our Father Cares:
The One here referred to as the Word is the Son of God, who was the Commander in the heavenly courts, and who came to this world to open heavenly things to fallen human beings. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He is the Word that was with God before the world was. In clothing His divinity with humanity, He became possessed of two natures, the divine and the human. And because of this, He was fully able to accomplish for the human race their complete redemption, and their restoration to the privileges of the higher life.
Link(scroll through and you shall see it. Second paragraph)
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/80.2227?hl=The+One+here+referred+to+as+the+Word+is+the+Son+of+God+&ss=eyJ0b3RhbCI6MTg5LCJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJUaGUgT25lIGhlcmUgcmVmZXJyZWQgdG8gYXMgdGhlIFdvcmQgaXMgdGhlIFNvbiBvZiBHb2QgIiwidHlwZSI6ImJhc2ljIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIiwibGltaXQiOjIwfSwiaW5kZXgiOjB9#2230
Thank you very much for your help!
When you quoted Letters & Manuscripts, vol. 14, 1899 I could not find it, but according to your link it is Manuscript 94 and I find it straight away. Thank you again. 🙏
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No problem. I'm glad you got it.
The Everlasting Covenant was instituted to reveal the matchless character of the Father and his Son of self renouncing love. While the Father and the Son could be separated and were separated it was not the case with the Holy Spirit. In the beginning and at least prior t the cross, the Holy Spirit was the personal presence of the Father and the Son and was not a separate and distinct personality from them in the way that Christ and the Father were in relation to each other. However, following Christ's death on the Cross when he made his irrevocable decision to relinquish his life in order to save the race, Christ became Son in a new way. Instead of being God's ONLY begotten Son, he became God's FIRST begotten son as well, having changed from being a SINGLET to being DUAL by reason of his incarnation. At his resurrection Christ became FIRST begotten of a long line of begotten sons who were to be begotten of God. Christ was no longer MONO GENES but DUAL GENES having a earthly mother and a divine father. Consequently the relationship between him and his father changed forever in that the person who commune with the father and pleaded with him to allow him to die for the race is different to the person who now stands before the father as our mediator. He stands before God now as a man and at the second Advent when he returns in power and great glory he will do so as a man. The relationship between the son and the Spirit also changed radically and as Jesus as man advocates before the father in case of sin the `holy Spirit advocates with the saints to keep them from sinning. This shows that the Holy Spirit is now a separate personality or power nonetheless it is Jesus Himself invested of his humanity and independent thereof. It is only following the father's acceptance of Christ's sacrifice that the Holy Spirit could be so powerfully bequeathed to man as it was at Pentecost and as it will be in latter rain proportion at the end of time when it will be dispensed to man in full measure.
"the Holy Spirit is now a separate personality or power..."
Curious, separate from whom? A separate being?
Where are the qoutes from the Bible? You want to explain the nature of a divine entity with quotes from another sources? That doesn't convince me at all!
This message was primarily for Seventh day Adventist. It was dealing with a well known quote from Ellen g White which has been misinterpreted by many Seventh day Adventist.
You ask for the quotes from the Bible. Here they are. Remember, God is Spirit, John 4:24, and since Jesus is begotten (born) of God, His Father, before the world was created, the only kind of existence, personality, essense, Jesus could inherit (Hebrews 1:1-10) is that of His Father, being Spirit, is Spirit.
Thus Jesus is Spirit. As we read elsewhere, there is one Spirit shared by the Father and the Son, Romans 8:9. In addition we read that God Is holy, 1. Corinthians 3:17, therefore Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son is also Holy, making Him a Holy Spirit.
This logic is undeniable and can only be refuted by manipulating words and / or scriptures to mean something else than what the words imply, even in the context.
Jesus said, it is written, or how do you read; He never said “it is interpreted”.
We should also consider that God the Father is the head of Christ, 1. Corinthians 11:3 which is signifying an order of authority, and even though Jesus, also by inheritance, is God, but He is not The Only True God, of which Jesus Himself declares that He is His God, His Father, John 20:17.
For those who do not believe that Jesus was the Christ before His incarnation we read that we should not “tempt Christ, as some of them (the israelites in the desert) also tempted”, 1. Corinthians 10:9, and unless there are two Christs, then the Christ tempted in the desert by the israelites, must be the same Christ as in John 11:27 where this Christ also is defined as the Son of God. By the way, Jesus was tempted in the desert once again, by the devil, Matthew 4:1-11, even twice regarding His Sonship of God.
In 1. Corinthians 10:11 we read that all “these things happened to them as ensamples, and they are written for our admonition“ which is also what Paul writes in 2. Timothy 3:16,17.
With these things in mind, we can understand the position of Christ in relation to His Father in the same way we understand the relation of a human son to his biological father. In the human relation there is also an order of authority, and only the father is regarded the “head” (god) of the household. God established (the concept of) inheritance in Heaven before the world was created, Hebrews 1:1-3.
In the case of Jesus Christ, He had to be “born again” as we have to be born again, John 3:3,5, but in the reverse order. Jesus Christ, the Son of God “by whom also He made the worlds”, Hebrews 1:2, had to become Human, to be born of a human, living a human life, in order to be able to redeem the human race (and we have to be born again, of the Spirit, to “enter into the Kingdom of God” - where Jesus Christ came from, John 16:28). One coming “down” that we may come “up”.
So, Jesus, begotten (born) of the Father, and begotten (born) of Mary, was begotten (born) twice, and consequently He had two natures or individualities, combined in human form.
This concept is what Paul describes in Galatians 2:20, “nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me,: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God”; two individualities in one person. Paul, the human and Christ, the Son of God, Christ the Spirit, in him; likewise Jesus Christ, the human and Christ the Son of God, Christ the Spirit, in Him (1. John 4:2 - This is Christ the God / Christ the Spirit. It defies logic to acknowledge that Jesus Christ, the Human, has come in the flesh.).
Understanding these things, everything else about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit falls into place.
There is One God, the Father
There is One Son. (Who are of the same Spirit, by inhertiance)
There is one Jesus, the human Son, born of Mary, which is also God’s Son from before creation, John 1:1-3, 14, 15 and Matthew 3:17.
Note that John explicitly says about Jesus, that Jesus was “before me”, Luke 1:35-37, even though scripture states, that John was born 6 months before Jesus was born and thus came in sinful flesh, as a human, Romans 8:3.
Jesus can breathe “His Spirit” onto the disciples, John 20:22.
God, the Spirit and His Son, the Spirit, can create planet earth together, Genesis 1:1,2. No need for a third person to partake in the creation.
God the Father can say to His Son, “Let Us make man in our image”, Genesis 1:26. No need for the invention of a third person.
Jesus can say: “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”, John 14:18, knowing that it is He Himself, Jesus the Son of God, being the Spirit of comfort, coming to his disciples.
We can be baptized “in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, knowing that there is no need for inventing a third, undefined god to personalize the Spirit, to make sense of the statement. Jesus Is the Holy Spirit.
The Father can say: “I will put my Spirit within you”, Ezekiel 36:27, knowing that it is Jesus, the Son Of God, the Spirit of His Son as well as His own Spirit which He, the Father, puts within us.
We read: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me..”, Luke 4:18, knowing that Jesus, human and divine, received God the Father’s Spirit, “to preach the Gospel”, not some other unknown divine person.
Jesus, being human and yet divine, could say “I speak not of myself, but the Father who dwells in me, He doeth the works”, John 14:10, knowing that it is God the Father’s Spirit, not someone else, who does the works in Him and through Him.
Jesus expanded this thought when He said: “I can of mine own self do nothing”, John 5:30, and “the Son can do nothing of himself”, John 5:19. “I and My Father are one”, John 10:30.
I can read that the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities and makes intercession for us with groanings, Romans 8:26, knowing that this Spirit is Jesus in that there is only one mediator between us and the Only True God The Father, Christ Jesus, First Timothy 2:5, and that He, Jesus, because He was also a human like me, He knows what it is like to be me, and therefore He can be my Comforter. He can relate to my problems, my temptations, my situation, He has been there, where I am. And that not only in His human form, but in His Divine form He was there, mixed with and hidden in the human, like the water and the meal mixed together to form a bread, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, seeing, feeling, experiencing a life similar to mine.
Jesus divested himself of his divinity to the point where He was, voluntarily, wholly, totally dependent on His Father, a state of being which we must reach in order to be saved.
@@pioneeringagain1844who has misinterpreted the quote? Those agreeing that she called the Holy Spirit the third person of the Godhead, or those insisting she didn't mean it?
? so Christ is the 2nd & 3rd person of the Godhead one being his human nature and the the other the divine nature, seems to me you are stretching the truth. Christ is Not 2 persons and nothing in this vid proves that. having both a divine and human nature does not in anyway make Him 2 persons according to the spirit of prophecy.
Third person of the Godhead means there are three people in the Godhead. EGW later wrote; “…the Holy Spirit, third person of the Godhead…” three. There are three.
PLEASE watch the video!!
@@pioneeringagain1844 I did, there were miscontextualizations, avoidance of key EGW quotes, and an aberrant agenda to promote false doctrine.
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Please give me evidence of trying to misconstrue or lead people into deception?? Ellen g White quotes are VERY clear. It is obvious to me that your PRIDE & PREJUDICES are affecting your study of this topic. Whether you like it or not ANYONE who believes in this abominable doctrine of the trinity are breaking the 1st and 2nd Commandments of God....I feel very sorry for you as you are walking in complete blindness concerning WHO GOD IS.....HE IS NOT A TRINITY!!
No Other Gods,* May 9
*Thou shalt have no other gods before me* . *EXODUS* 20:3. LHU 143.1
*Christ gave His life that all who would might be freed from sin and reinstated in the favor of the Creator.* LHU 143.2
It was the anticipation of a redeemed, holy universe that prompted Christ to make this great sacrifice.... Are we followers of God as dear children, or are we servants of the prince of darkness? Are we worshipers of Jehovah, or of Baal? of the living God, or of idols? LHU 143.3
*No outward shrines may be visible, there may be no image for the eye to rest upon, yet we may be practicing idolatry* . *It* *is as easy to make an idol of cherished ideas or objects as to fashion gods of wood or stone* . Thousands have a false conception of God and His attributes. *They are as verily serving a false god as were the servants of Baal* . Are we worshiping the true God as He is revealed in His Word, in Christ, in nature, *or are we adoring some philosophical idol enshrined in His place?* *GOD is a GOD of truth* . Justice and mercy are the attributes of His throne. He is a God of love, of pity and tender compassion. *Thus He is represented in His Son, our Saviour.* He is a God of patience and long-suffering. *If such is the being whom we adore and to whose character we are seeking to assimilate, we are worshiping the true GOD* . LHU 143.4 *LIFT HIM UP* page 143 paragraph 4 .
@@pioneeringagain1844 which “no other god.” The Father or Son? By claiming “one god=one person” is the Father you’ve rejected the Son. So, which one is god?
Some books she didn't write✍️
Dear Brother, "The Desire of Ages" is NOT an Ellen G White original book. It was compiled by the SDA Conference committee of 5, started in 1882, and by EGW's personal secretary, who I do not want to name; was compiling R&W articles and plagiarizing part of Sammy J. Andrews book "The Life of Our Lord Upon the Earth". Plus it has subtle Biblical Errors as well.
In the very last chapter 87 Implies Christ's feet will touch down on Mt Olivet at his second coming, not in line with 1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV, the Bible EGW used.
And the starting of the last paragraph of Chapter 62 has Christ as our high priest standing in the wrong compartment of the heavenly sanctuary.
And also the error you pointed out as well. There is NO THIRD PERSON, unless you want to include Lucifer. EGW did not make that statement, it came from a conference leader who I would prefer not to name, but if you do your homework you can find out who I am referring to. Our heavenly Father may hide things from us, but he is not a deceiver.
What is known as "The Conflict Series" replaced what used to be called "The Spirit of Prophesy" vol.1-4. EGW also called it the Great Controversy vol. 1-4. The 1911 Great Controversy used today is a re-edit of the 4th vol.
Thank you for your feedback. Could you email me evidence at: pioneeringagain1844@gmail.com
Thank you
Here’s that Quote you say about the wrong compartment: Christ might commission the angels of heaven to pour out the vials of His wrath on our world, to destroy those who are filled with hatred of God. He might wipe this dark spot from His universe. But He does not do this. He is Today Standing at the Altar of Incense, Presenting Before God the Prayers of those who desire His help. DA 568.4 Is not Christ the true temple of God(John 2:19&21)? He is the light of the world(lamp stand) He is the bread of life(table of shewbread) He is the veil (Heb 10:20 his flesh) and our prayers as we pray in Jesus name. Revelation 8:3 “And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” The scripture says the altar is before the throne the quote says Christ is standing at altar presenting before God(on the throne) the prayers. I believe as the throne of God is moveable from Holy to Most Holy the altar of incense which is Christ can go before God where ever He is. notice this quote from Early Writings p. 54-55 titled End of the 2300 Days(1844) “Before the throne I saw the Advent people--the church and the world. I saw two companies, one bowed down before the throne, deeply interested, while the other stood uninterested and careless. Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their prayers and look to Jesus; then He would look to His Father, and appear to be pleading with Him. A light would come from the Father to the Son and from the Son to the praying company. Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son, and from the Son it waved over the people before the throne. But few would receive this great light. Many came out from under it and immediately resisted it; others were careless and did not cherish the light, and it moved off from them. Some cherished it, and went and bowed down with the little praying company. This company all received the light and rejoiced in it, and their countenances shone with its glory. I saw the Father rise from the throne, [See page 92.] and in a flaming chariot go into the holy of holies within the veil, and sit down. Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and the most of those who were bowed down arose with Him. I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after He arose, and they were left in perfect darkness. Those who arose when Jesus did, kept their eyes fixed on Him as He left the throne and led them out a little way. Then He raised His right arm, and we heard His lovely voice saying, "Wait here; I am going to My Father to receive the kingdom; keep your garments spotless, and in a little while I will return from the wedding and receive you to Myself." Then a cloudy chariot, with wheels like flaming fire, surrounded by angels, came to where Jesus was. He stepped into the chariot and was borne to the holiest, where the Father sat. There I beheld Jesus, a great High Priest, standing before the Father. On the hem of His garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Those who rose up with Jesus would send up their faith to Him in the holiest, and pray, "My Father, give us Thy Spirit." Then Jesus would breathe upon them the Holy Ghost. In that breath was light, power, and much love, joy, and peace.” Notice they prayed to God thru Christ in both compartments.
@@DonjohnsonBG The truth must be acknowledged, not covered up. Truth must be searched for; but, lies are right in ones face. Defending a re-edit with another re-edit proves nothing. "Early Writings" is a 1945 publication and corrupted re-edit of the "1858 Great Controversy". EGW passed in 1915. There is a biographical account given about a committee of 5, appointed in 1882 by the SDA conference, to re-edit EGW's original books, without her authorization. Comparisons with the original and re-edits can be made for anyone who wants to investigate for themselves and know the truth from ones own eyes. Compare "The 1858 Great Controversy" with "Early Writings", Compare "The 1884 Great Controversy" with "The 1911 Great Controversy". If one does his homework with due diligence, does not need me, when one wants the truth. Proverbs 25:2. Arthur L White writes a 6 volume biographical account of his grandmother, I'm sure the SDA conference does not want everyone to know about, called "The Elmshaven Years" Happy hunting.
@@DonjohnsonBG "Early Writings" page 270 pbc, "The Shaking"; 2nd paragraph adds a phase not in the original "1858 Great Controversy" : "As the praying ones continued their earnest cries, at times a ray of light from Jesus came to them, to encourage their hearts and light up their countenances."
This is not in the original, nor do I believe EGW wrote it.
"Early Writings" chapter called "Sins of Babylon", pages 274, pbc, 2nd paragraph;
"I saw that since Jesus had left the Holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, and had entered within the second vail, the churches WERE LEFT AS WERE THE JEWS;" {the capital letters are in the original book, same chapter title, "The 1858 Great Controversy"; but are left out of "Early Writings".
Matthew 10:26, Mark 4:22, Luke 8:17 & Luke 12:2.
@@DonjohnsonBG One more little nugget of truth, also comes from another EGW original book called; "Testimony for the Church" no.18 "An Appeal to the Church"; starting on page 126: "I was shown, Oct. 2 1868, the state of God's professed people..." {pages 129-130}... "The church has departed from the light, neglected her duties, abused her high and exalted privileges of being peculiar and holy in character, and thereby dishonored her God, like ancient Israel. They have violated their covenant to live for God and him only. They have joined in with the selfish and world loving. Pride, the love of pleasure, and sin, are cherished, and Christ has departed. His Spirit has been quenched in the church. Satan works side by side with professed Christians; yet they are so destitute of spirituality and discernment that they do not detect him."
OUCH, that hurts our carnal pride. The re-editors inserted "Her Members" in place of "They", to exclude themselves, {SDA leaders and clergy} from this pronouncement, in the re-edited 1948 version, Vol.2 page 442.
The Holy Spirit represents both Christ and the Father but is a different Person. When He represents Christ He is described as the Spirit of Christ. When representing the Father, He is called the Spirit of the Father.
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8
Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
Until you understand what it means by personify you will struggle with how the Holy Spirit can "become Christ to us" while a distinct Person. He takes on personality, thoughts and words of Christ on his behalf. He knows the mind of Christs and the Father's thoughts. 1 Corinthians 2-11 - even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Definition of Personify
Personify- embody, epitomize, exemplify, manifest,typify, express, image, imitate, impersonate, materialize, mirror, substantiate.
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Jesus has one nature: human. He humbled himself and took on the character of his father. He does not have two natures! That’s Trinitarianism! She was wrong on this. It was because GOD was in him, that Christ could be sinless. He is only human.
I do not believe she wrote that. I believe her book was tampered after she died. She would not contradict herself.
You could be right...However Gods word is so strong, that even if men did tamper with her writings there is far more evidence contained within her writings for the absolute truth about God that none need to err.
Do you believe God inspired the scriptures or has someone tampered with those too?
Great music, false message