I know this conversation is old, but White Fright, I absolutely agree lol. Ric's look and they are cool. But 'most' Rics couldn't get any further from versatile if it tried. Now some of their more modern basses, like the Cheyenne are a tad more versatile. But at that point, it is no longer the "Classic Rickenbacker" that soooo many people want. Until they attempt setting it up, more specifically that dumb two piece bridge. 😐
The bass tones were actually really good (especially on And Justice For All) it's just that they were really low. This bass tone is kinda bad honestly.
Thanks so much for posting this. I was playing this in clubs in the 80s and I can now hear several notes that I played close but not quite. Now I can hear every single genius note. We all miss you, Cliff.
Not a mistake. Shoot, listen to Orion Bass Track Only. There is a part where he is keeping time with the bass and has a harmonized solo overdubbed, just like a guitarist. 99 percent of the people who listened to that song think it is guitar for sure.It is just him getting out of the traditional bassist zone
@tomfrankly for old school bassists i like D.D Verni from overkill...he plays a nice variety of everything. and being a pick player i like that he can do almost everything with a pick ...i know some things are fingers only but its nice to know you can do it if you try..also props to dave ellefson great pick player
Big thanks for uploading this man. I prefer this tone of bass to that of Ride the Lightning's. You could hear Cliff just barely on RTL, but some of his notes were completely indiscernible( i.e. Fight Fire with Fire).
@MegaYummyPie That's Cliff hitting the wah and distortion, it's played a few times quietly throughout the song if you listen to it with all the other instruments aswell.
using a pick doent mean you are better or worse than finger plucking. It's a completly different sound, and you use whichever fits the sound you want. I use both, depending on if I want a cleaner, more pure sound, or a more hollow, deeper, melodic sound. No better or worse, just different.
Question. This is probably gonna sound extremely dumb, but at 4:18 (and throughout Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth) for that matter), how does Cliff get that growl on the bass? I know there's some form of distortion or fuzz in the mix (I'm not a total idiot), but would there be some Auto Q or Wah involved? Much appreciated.
Don't ever stop uploading these bass tracks. You post them way faster than dxrbnkd or whoever. PS: Wow, Cliff was definitely sporting flatwounds on this album, that's interesting!
@fatcatbuzz I switch genres alot like sometimes il play metallica then slowly get into like nirvana smashing pumpkins thats where I grow my finger nails out to give it a picky sound
Lol, bassist with a pick is a failed guitarist? Well, the oldest type of guitar - the classical guitar - is played with fingers. So the first pick style guitarists were the failed classical guitar players?
@powersheep8 theres nothing wrong with playing bass with a pick. Its just another style, and gives you a different sound. this probably one of the reasons I have a hard time talking to fellow bass players, because way too many have the same ignorant attitude about that you do that the only "right" way to play is with fingers. And for the record, I play with my fingers and Steve Harris is one of my fav bass players but some of my other favs play with a pick.
This tone is kinda weird for bass in metal. It’s probably because of three things: 1. Cliff hadn’t changed his damn strings in ages 2. It’s very midrange-y, and the low end is muffled a lot. 3. It’s a Rickenbacker bass. 4. Or all of the above. Which it is.
This sounds like it was taken direct from the mixing board or recorded that way with no amp which is a common studio recording technique but the sound that way has no balls and tone. I think this allows a greater play in adjusting levels later in mixing. It's not the Ric. Any bass will sound as dead. The Ric has a much lower midrange than say a P-bass.
@darkragnarok21 I have a big muff, but sadly no wah wah, so i can't quite do what cliff's bass did. I'm not sure exactly what he used, but i can get it pretty close with mine, so he very well may have used said pedal.
McGovney did do the song before cliff, But the listen to how Mr. Burton Changed it. McGovney just played with the song, But Cliff made the rhythm his own and added a whole lot of flare to the song. LONG LIVE CLIFF!!!
@MORTARHATE77 hmm thats is very interesting, since i got into metal at the ripe age of 5 which was 1982 and having discovered metallica in 88, that gives me 22 years of listening to killem all, i have heard every little bass diddy, in there, it takes focus and dedication to pick out your parts when they are buried, i see from your channel that i have been listening to this album for your WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE, i had no problem picking out these parts, perhaps you are jealous you couldnt hear them?
You should also check out some Bobby Vega if you haven't already. Godlike shit. Really made me re-think my position on the pick (although I am still a finger style player).
Since we're doing the whole pick versus fingers thing here, I'll take the bait... As a bass player, I use fingers 85% of the time. But I find that the Misfits are tough to play without a pick. Same with Tool. And for the record, Jonesy tracked quite a few Zeppelin songs with a pick, for punch and clarity (it also made his 8-string bass come ALIVE! ). Besides, many bassists started out as guitarists. So why not pickstyle? Many of Cliff's bass heroes used one, right?
@powersheep8 Had a fellow bass player been talking with Cliff Burton and said he used a pick Cliff would have said, "Cool man. I personally prefer my fingers but it's however you want to play your bass."
Well I think that everyone should decide for theirselves if they want to play the bass with their fingers or the pick. I personally prefer fingers but not because it sounds better, I prefer fingers so that I can throw in a slap bass once in a while. If the sound was the only thing that mattered then I would go for the pick, most riffs sound more powerful with a pick.
@MORTARHATE77 actually you can hear all of that stuff on the tracks, if you were a real bassist or bassist at all you would hear your instrument singing to you above all the others :)
The sound his strings make during the verse's from his fingers sliding is pretty cool, but he is already playing a note and it still does that sound? how's that work???
Except you usually saw him with an Aria, but he probably recorded with the rickie. He didn't use a Big Muff either, he used a Morley Power Wah Fuzz(Wah with built-in fuzz.)
@Orcr1st I respect your opinion, but I'll give you mine. Joey and Jim are the only real musicians in slipknot, the rest is just noise for children who think they're hardcore. Lamb of God on the other hand... The riffs that Mark and the Adlers come up with are really amazing. As for John's bass technique, his bass lines are probably the most fun I've played.
Cliff would probably just punch u right in the face if you told him this pick thingy. David Ellefson, Lemmy Kilmister, Jason Newsted, Tom Araya, Roger Waters, Paul McCartney and many more. A real/pro bass player would never claim the pick sux, it's just a matter of habit. for the record, I use fingers, double pluck my bass, for some songs I still grab my pick, can't play misfits with ur fingers. lol
@jbassman666 Well playing with a pick, although it can have more treble and cut through the mix more, its a lot easier to play with a pick than it is your fingers, that, plus for almost all types of music, playing with your fingers has a much nicer tone.
@alsharpton666 but thats exactly my issue...most of these bass only tracks have so many mistakes and sloppy playing etc it makes me shudder to think that cliff plays like that...its like god fucked up or something lol
is that seriously the only thing people can remember cliff for? that he used his fingers? that's the only thing people ever defend cliff with is that fact.
My only disappointment with the early Metallica albums is that the producer didn't have the bass loud enough. This is amazing stuff! Cliff rocked!
Those little wah fills by Burton. Genius.
Even back then their bass was so thin on albums...
Fronzious Clownington It’s that Rickenbacker.
I know this conversation is old, but White Fright, I absolutely agree lol. Ric's look and they are cool. But 'most' Rics couldn't get any further from versatile if it tried. Now some of their more modern basses, like the Cheyenne are a tad more versatile. But at that point, it is no longer the "Classic Rickenbacker" that soooo many people want. Until they attempt setting it up, more specifically that dumb two piece bridge. 😐
On their first demo cassette they literally wrote 'TURN THE BASS ON YOUR STEREO ALL THE DAY DOWN'.
The bass tones were actually really good (especially on And Justice For All) it's just that they were really low. This bass tone is kinda bad honestly.
@@jaydenwark it’s terrible
1:48 OH MY GOD WOW
1:48
I've been playing this song on bass for over a decade now and I've never known about the galloping in the intro riff.
Thanks so much for posting this. I was playing this in clubs in the 80s and I can now hear several notes that I played close but not quite. Now I can hear every single genius note.
We all miss you, Cliff.
Love the way you can hear everything now, you can seriously hear his fingers sliding over the strings.
Cliff used roundwounds live but YES he did alot of recordings with flats. THIS IS ONE OF THEM
Tjos sounds like reallybold rounds to me. The finger noice gives it away
@@rollewestbomYea I’m thinking round wounds as well especially with all the string slide noise
Not a mistake. Shoot, listen to Orion Bass Track Only. There is a part where he is keeping time with the bass and has a harmonized solo overdubbed, just like a guitarist. 99 percent of the people who listened to that song think it is guitar for sure.It is just him getting out of the traditional bassist zone
Love that Rickenbacker tone...
I use my fingers, but some songs i use pick. But i like Cliff and Geezer Butlers theory "its not how you play, as long as you hit that string"
@tomfrankly for old school bassists i like D.D Verni from overkill...he plays a nice variety of everything. and being a pick player i like that he can do almost everything with a pick ...i know some things are fingers only but its nice to know you can do it if you try..also props to dave ellefson great pick player
Big thanks for uploading this man.
I prefer this tone of bass to that of Ride the Lightning's. You could hear Cliff just barely on RTL, but some of his notes were completely indiscernible( i.e. Fight Fire with Fire).
My favourite bassits play finger style. I love finger style too. But I love pick sound too!
@MegaYummyPie That's Cliff hitting the wah and distortion, it's played a few times quietly throughout the song if you listen to it with all the other instruments aswell.
thank you man ur better then the other dude that uploads this stuff
he was so feakin' fast : ) Respect : )
R.I.P. Cliff Burton
using a pick doent mean you are better or worse than finger plucking. It's a completly different sound, and you use whichever fits the sound you want. I use both, depending on if I want a cleaner, more pure sound, or a more hollow, deeper, melodic sound. No better or worse, just different.
Frm what I understand, cliff liked to add his bass track after all the other tracks. I prefer that too if possible
I like using these tracks when I transcribe tabs.
I play along to this because it's the closest I'll ever get to playing with Cliff Burton.
Question.
This is probably gonna sound extremely dumb, but at 4:18 (and throughout Anesthesia (Pulling Teeth) for that matter), how does Cliff get that growl on the bass?
I know there's some form of distortion or fuzz in the mix (I'm not a total idiot), but would there be some Auto Q or Wah involved?
Much appreciated.
Wah Pedal. (sorry for being 12 years late)
Don't ever stop uploading these bass tracks. You post them way faster than dxrbnkd or whoever. PS: Wow, Cliff was definitely sporting flatwounds on this album, that's interesting!
cliff also plays a high part just before the guitar solo
@metalmaniac2493
i agree but with the right bass and pickups and setup, you get a thump ten times better than you could with a pick
@fatcatbuzz I switch genres alot like sometimes il play metallica then slowly get into like nirvana smashing pumpkins thats where I grow my finger nails out to give it a picky sound
Lol, bassist with a pick is a failed guitarist? Well, the oldest type of guitar - the classical guitar - is played with fingers. So the first pick style guitarists were the failed classical guitar players?
I thought you were criticising Cliff for a second
what matters is the resulting sound rather than the technique. Krist Novoselic from Nirvana plays with a pick and he has an amazing sound.
@Psycherz
What is this @person thing that's showing up automatically now? RUclips updated a bit in the last hour. Nice.
@montereypopfestiva67 That' true; however, using your fingers is more efficient, since it allows you to play several strings at once more easily etc.
@xXM3taLlicAXx1 it doesnt matter at all, whichever is more comfortable for you and whichever one gives you the sound you enjoy.
Metallica died with this man ... Rest in peace cliff
+Doucheresendes mmmh i like cliff but jason did a wonderful job man. i say they dies with his departure. jason is more metallica then metallica
freaking fat and oily bass sound.
I like the little wah fills.They give a scream and a certain bite.
@powersheep8 theres nothing wrong with playing bass with a pick. Its just another style, and gives you a different sound. this probably one of the reasons I have a hard time talking to fellow bass players, because way too many have the same ignorant attitude about that you do that the only "right" way to play is with fingers. And for the record, I play with my fingers and Steve Harris is one of my fav bass players but some of my other favs play with a pick.
This tone is kinda weird for bass in metal. It’s probably because of three things:
1. Cliff hadn’t changed his damn strings in ages
2. It’s very midrange-y, and the low end is muffled a lot.
3. It’s a Rickenbacker bass.
4. Or all of the above. Which it is.
This sounds like it was taken direct from the mixing board or recorded that way with no amp which is a common studio recording technique but the sound that way has no balls and tone. I think this allows a greater play in adjusting levels later in mixing. It's not the Ric. Any bass will sound as dead. The Ric has a much lower midrange than say a P-bass.
@darkragnarok21 I have a big muff, but sadly no wah wah, so i can't quite do what cliff's bass did. I'm not sure exactly what he used, but i can get it pretty close with mine, so he very well may have used said pedal.
McGovney did do the song before cliff, But the listen to how Mr. Burton Changed it. McGovney just played with the song, But Cliff made the rhythm his own and added a whole lot of flare to the song. LONG LIVE CLIFF!!!
@xXM3taLlicAXx1 pick is in some ways easier to use, but you can do alot more with finger picking, and it sounds more natural (i use fingers too)
@MORTARHATE77 hmm thats is very interesting, since i got into metal at the ripe age of 5 which was 1982 and having discovered metallica in 88, that gives me 22 years of listening to killem all, i have heard every little bass diddy, in there, it takes focus and dedication to pick out your parts when they are buried, i see from your channel that i have been listening to this album for your WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE, i had no problem picking out these parts, perhaps you are jealous you couldnt hear them?
R I P Cliff
@cannibalcorpse5678 You hear it especially on the part that goes searchin' seek and destrory! on the strumming part after that. its pretty noticable
You should also check out some Bobby Vega if you haven't already. Godlike shit. Really made me re-think my position on the pick (although I am still a finger style player).
damn tabs suck, now I gotta relearn the song with this awesome version!
Since we're doing the whole pick versus fingers thing here, I'll take the bait...
As a bass player, I use fingers 85% of the time. But I find that the Misfits are tough to play without a pick. Same with Tool. And for the record, Jonesy tracked quite a few Zeppelin songs with a pick, for punch and clarity (it also made his 8-string bass come ALIVE! ).
Besides, many bassists started out as guitarists. So why not pickstyle? Many of Cliff's bass heroes used one, right?
@powersheep8 Had a fellow bass player been talking with Cliff Burton and said he used a pick Cliff would have said,
"Cool man. I personally prefer my fingers but it's however you want to play your bass."
Well I think that everyone should decide for theirselves if they want to play the bass with their fingers or the pick. I personally prefer fingers but not because it sounds better, I prefer fingers so that I can throw in a slap bass once in a while. If the sound was the only thing that mattered then I would go for the pick, most riffs sound more powerful with a pick.
that was a long time before they recorded kill em all. When they recorded it cliff and kirk where both in the band
@MORTARHATE77 actually you can hear all of that stuff on the tracks, if you were a real bassist or bassist at all you would hear your instrument singing to you above all the others :)
anyone know whos hand is on the kill em all cover?
@powersheep8 theres no wrong way to play the bass, you can still use a pick
the first part from ride the lightning is discernible , also call of ktulu or for whom the bell tolls
The sound his strings make during the verse's from his fingers sliding is pretty cool, but he is already playing a note and it still does that sound? how's that work???
Paul McCartney played with a pick bro, it's not about what you use, it's about the sound you get out of it.
Didn't Cliff use a Big Muff Pi?
I'm not really sure what he used but it sounds damn good
@X9Z17 Maybe its the sound of his right hand sliding?
Except you usually saw him with an Aria, but he probably recorded with the rickie. He didn't use a Big Muff either, he used a Morley Power Wah Fuzz(Wah with built-in fuzz.)
@Fond3ll cliff was good but this is how he sounds. he was also a bit of a sloppy player
no
Mistakes are human and they don't really matter in the whole song
@alreadytaken334
Jason Newsted used a pick, both cliff and Rob used fingers.
@Orcr1st I respect your opinion, but I'll give you mine. Joey and Jim are the only real musicians in slipknot, the rest is just noise for children who think they're hardcore. Lamb of God on the other hand... The riffs that Mark and the Adlers come up with are really amazing. As for John's bass technique, his bass lines are probably the most fun I've played.
Picking 2 strings? lrn2bass/guitar
but he's finished the slide, is playing the open strings and the string sliding sound is still happening, its odd but cool
@powersheep8 True, But nothing is wrong with a pick
@gccoley It's the classic Rick tone.
@powersheep8 Amen brother...
Yeah, and I think a Morley Wah pedal or something.
@MegaYummyPie effect wah + overdrive cliff used that a lot
I’m not gonna lie Cliff is a good bassist but he was never in my top 50 bassist
ok never asked
@@laquentineta6241 ok never cared
a good bassists fingers basically are picks xD
Cliff would probably just punch u right in the face if you told him this pick thingy.
David Ellefson, Lemmy Kilmister, Jason Newsted, Tom Araya, Roger Waters, Paul McCartney and many more.
A real/pro bass player would never claim the pick sux, it's just a matter of habit.
for the record, I use fingers, double pluck my bass, for some songs I still grab my pick, can't play misfits with ur fingers. lol
Don't forget Chris Squire.
What are you talking about?
@@wannabecliffburton4275 Idk man, that was 7 years ago..
@@CiniMini69 yeah, I saw a comment from a month ago so I was like "fuck it"
@boilingpoint3 They have more or less the same bite effect as James' dragon roars during the chorus. XD
01:48
@jbassman666
Well playing with a pick, although it can have more treble and cut through the mix more, its a lot easier to play with a pick than it is your fingers, that, plus for almost all types of music, playing with your fingers has a much nicer tone.
Nothing wrong with a pick. I am a finger player only but i feel that you should play the way your comfortable! Thats all that matters!
95 percent?! Talkin out yer arse, son!
Rickenbacker 4001, I believe.
@powersheep8 we play bass guitar. Fingers for Maiden, pick for Lamb of God. no big deal cupcake.
@Sickc0 I won't accept or deny this... you got any proof?
@nemakur
Listin to the sound.
Its a Ric.
@hez1919 it was more than likely taken off the master tracks from guitar hero?? so must b d master track, defo cliff anyway..
try learning it by using your ear to hear the notes. that is the way i like to learn songs.
that was an awesome comment dude.
@alsharpton666 but thats exactly my issue...most of these bass only tracks have so many mistakes and sloppy playing etc it makes me shudder to think that cliff plays like that...its like god fucked up or something lol
@MegaYummyPie wah+overdrive Cliff used that a lot
@nemakur it was a rickenbacker
Turn it the fuck up!
@bassguitarFTW68 maiden bassist use both
fokin awsome CLIFF RulesZZZZzZzzz
he used a power wah fuzz
At 1:45 honestly scared me i wasnt ready for in in my bitchin headphones XD
@fatcatbuzz I love the sound of finger picking Plus I think using a pick is lazy
Chris Squire of Yes and Paul Mc.Cartney use pic as well
Did he step on his Muff at - 1:47 ish ?
@CYToilets Was he being rude, or just saying that's what he thinks? Cause normally I respect someone's opinion til they start being rude about it.
yeah wah fuzz and distortion was his main effects so most likely
lml
HOW dja find em
@nigletgook Holly bajeezus. Your comment is fucking hilarious. Made my day, thank you.
@DonOvalyyyy Amen!
is that seriously the only thing people can remember cliff for? that he used his fingers? that's the only thing people ever defend cliff with is that fact.
I don't separate the tracks, I just find them. I don't have Call of Ktulu :(