I know it is expensive for Sloan's to pay a trainer and a trainee but at least they will know he is properly trained. Also having a trainee always slows your production down. You have a good demeanor both will the equipment and with trainees. If he is comfortable with RUclips you might have give us some background and goals he has. As always I enjoyed the video.
Zeth,thanks for the video! Great seeing where these Delphi Diesel injectors are used. Wished these E3.6 model designated injectors used the conical shaped capnuts like those found on the 12.5L two wire plug in E1 injectors. Would like to see how those sealing are removed and installed. Just finished a report for a DPAC case for Deere where the cups where not installed with the right tools. On these, injectors two and i think it was five had some signes injection gas blow by. Good luck. I be showing the video to all at the plant where we package these injectors for Deeres PDC's
Like your attentional to detail. Very thorough. Little more involved than changing injectors in an old Detroit 671 diesel. They had no ECU or injection sensors.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts with us. It helps me understand why at times our shop bills can be so much. You are our Dr and you are trusted. Thanks
The reason your shop bills are so high is because deere has a monopoly on repairs though blocking any competition having programming access. They spend millions a year to make sure that no one gets diagnostic access, and millions more designing overly complicated bs than discourage people from fixing. You know deere is out of their minds just by sales, deere sells very little comparably. Most deere equipment or is leased. Nothing but out of touch with reality engineering coupled with corporate nepotism
Awesome video Zeth! I just replaced a timing cover on one of those engines, I did mine in the frame though. I removed the cooling package to do it which was actually not that hard. Then you can stand on the frame and work. The injector replacement procedure was super helpful!
OK, I see what you're doing there. I worked on a tier 3 13.5 in a 9630 today. The valve settings on that one are 023 and 043. They got an injector setting notch every 60° of camshaft rotation in the center camshaft bearing journal. You don't even need the timing pin that goes into the notch in the crank counterweight unless you've had the head or geartrain off it. Number one TDC is the notch in the cam journal that comes to the hole before the double notch gets there.
Great video boy the last time I adjusted valves was back in the 70 and 80s I was also a Mazda Master Tech besides being a Ford Tech, it was part of the maintenance schedule every 15,000 miles the good Ole days yea I see having to put all the info into ECU for the injectors whenever we do trans solenoids or renew the valve body we half to do the same thing program the new info into the ecu pretty common in todays world right! Keep up the great informative videos kool to watch for me and to see what you guys deal with like we do its not getting any easier is it take care!
Is there no means of bench testing modern injectors types Zeth? I know the old days were simpler, but at least you knew the condition of the injectors. Thanks from UK.
I got anxiety watching the apprentice start out pulling on the torque wrench. Maybe he never had torqued low specs before though. Kudos to Zeth the difference between being cocky and being confident & competent!
Goodnight . My name is Julio Cezar, I live in Brazil and I graduated from John Deere and I thank you very much for posting your videos, they really teach us a lot. I have to translate so you understand. Would it be possible for us to form a group to share our work in the field with you so we can learn?
OK, fine business Zeth. I was wondering about a couple things. 1). What ever happened to measuring drag on a feeler gauge with a spring scale? Today I see you are "feeling" the drag on a feeler gauge with your fingers. Isn't there a more precise way to set the rocker clearance than feeling the drag with your fingers on a feeler gauge? I have a set of feeler gauges that have a .002" step for a go/ no-go but that seems too large. Maybe there should be 1/2 thou step. Or how about a dial indicator to check the lash? The indicators I have used can offer accuracy down to 2 tenths of 1 thousandths. It seems like that would be a more accurate way of knowing the clearance than the feel of drag on a feeler gauge with fingers. And 2). I was wondering about the tightening value applied with your double offset box end wrench on the valve lash lock nuts. Remember when you were disassembling the rockers and one lock nut was way way tight? @ 10:45 Considering how precise all of the other tightness tests are, i.e. the injector hold down bolt wanted 30 Lb/Ft torque, then back off 90°, then 106 Lb/Inches +90° more, it just seems like there should be a measurement on how tight the lock nut is tightened for a rocker lash setting. ben/ michigan
Hi from overseas, i was hoping you might point me in the right direction with a question i have. We own 7700 with a 19 speed powershift and it has almost a grinding noise coming from the back end , but it only does it on idle , noise goes away as soon as you give it any throthle . Its been doing it for the past couple years since we bought it used, but it seems to be getting louder. I was hooping you might give me some pointers where to start looking.
Since the JD 13.5 is a dead ringer copy of a Cat 3406E/C15 why don't you just adjust the valves and injectors at #1 TDC compression stroke and #1 TDC exhaust stroke like Cat does it? When #1 is at TDC on compression the next 2 in the firing order are 5 & 3 so you can adjust the exhausts on those. The previous two in the firing order were 2 & 4 so you can adjust the intakes on those. And you can adjust the injectors on the next three in the firing order (5, 3 & 6). Flip the engine a full turn and do the rest of 'em. What's the deal with that complicated "cheat sheet" for a Deere 13.5?
You should instruct your apprentice to not wear jewelry. It is very easy to get hung up by your ring finger. I have had this happen as an engine mechanic in the military. Luckily I was not hanging by the ring, but was still standing. It was an eye opener!! Never wore rings again while working.
Deere was on this path before the epa got involved. The engine electrical is ridiculous but to me the transmission and chassis design is the real joke. They have been trying to design small farmers out of business since the 60 series. Deere is interested in corporate farming and their own egos
I operate heavy equipment, I am so sick of trying to train people! I was borne in 1969, Ive seen it all and done it all, todays "new people" are dumb as shit, and after you spend months of training them, they quit and go work at taco bell etc, I have know idea what happened to people over the last 20 years, but when I was young there was no "oops" try again, no, I got screamed at by the the best in the industry, a good yelling at lasts a life time, I can only imagine the frustration you go through in this job, I will take the late 1970s and 1980s any day compared to this gen, fuck them, if they cant deal with what I had to deal with, Walmart is always looking for help!.
I find it ridiculous that a computer has to be uploaded with all the injector info to run. Quit frankly it ludicrous to have to have all this gov. Mandated emmisions that costs a fortune to repair, lessons power per gallon of fuel etc. Do you realize that 1 cross country flight in a boeing 747 burns more fuel than average farmers burn a year. And thats just one way flight at a fuel burn of 1 gallon of fuel per SECOND, 18,000gal. For a 5 hour flight. Days of just swapping out parts is over. Miss the 6619, good power low fuel burn, 0 electronics unless you count the electric shutdown. 😕
I don’t carry water for emissions, but injector compensation makes sense from every stand point. Keeps exhaust temps down, engine temps down, burns fuel more effectively, makes more power, has better harmonics, keeps consumption down, helps cold starting. I can go on and on and on. It’s not just for emissions. There is a reason modern engines are far superior and it’s not because of emissions. If you don’t like modern technology, go buy the old clapped out equipment and fix it since it’s soo easy.
I agree 100%@bradley7723. I gave 36yrs of my life to GM at their proving ground in Milford Michigan in the "occupation" of emissions and fuel economy. I entertained the FEDS when they came to my bug tussle town with their "selective enforcement" emission test vehicles. It was 100% political. Just because Las Angeles had a stagnant air problem, our entire country had to go hog wild into computer controlled everything to supposedly "clean up" tailpipe pollution. Whatever the California Air Resources Board "CARB" wanted the entire country had to adopt. I use a 1948 8N tractor and I drive a 1969 vehicle. I don't give a tinker's damn about emissions. It's all BS and we all pay for the whims of those politicians who are completely lobbied. *(bribed) The Nancy Piglousy types flew back and forth from Calif. to DC how many thousand times? What a bunch of BS! Those politicians used more fuel than my whole family combined over all of our lifetimes. How can a tractor possibly even figure into their Clean Air Act? Contributing less than 1/10th of 1%. We have to get this under control. THEY WORK FOR US! ben/ michigan
You are looking at it with blinders. That 747 is carrying 350 people. How much fuel would it take to move those people the same distance in 10 busses or 78 or more cars? If the computer makes the tractor use less fuel then the farmer spends less and makes more.
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Mechanics like yourself are a rare commodity. Incredible wrench work. and a patient teacher. Rare to see both at the same time.
The apprentice couldn’t be in better hands to be properly trained than with the ZK Mastertech. Another great video.
He’s fortunate to have a teacher like you!
Not gonna lie I know nothing about engines but I am hooked on your vids. Big respect to you man - your knowledge and enthusiasm are an inspiration.
I appreciate that!
I know it is expensive for Sloan's to pay a trainer and a trainee but at least they will know he is properly trained. Also having a trainee always slows your production down. You have a good demeanor both will the equipment and with trainees. If he is comfortable with RUclips you might have give us some background and goals he has. As always I enjoyed the video.
It's always a good day when Zeth posts.
Zeth,thanks for the video! Great seeing where these Delphi Diesel injectors are used.
Wished these E3.6 model designated injectors used the conical shaped capnuts like those found on the 12.5L two wire plug in E1 injectors. Would like to see how those sealing are removed and installed. Just finished a report for a DPAC case for Deere where the cups where not installed with the right tools.
On these, injectors two and i think it was five had some signes injection gas blow by.
Good luck.
I be showing the video to all at the plant where we package these injectors for Deeres PDC's
Like your attentional to detail. Very thorough. Little more involved than changing injectors in an old Detroit 671 diesel. They had no ECU or injection sensors.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience and thoughts with us. It helps me understand why at times our shop bills can be so much. You are our Dr and you are trusted. Thanks
The reason your shop bills are so high is because deere has a monopoly on repairs though blocking any competition having programming access. They spend millions a year to make sure that no one gets diagnostic access, and millions more designing overly complicated bs than discourage people from fixing. You know deere is out of their minds just by sales, deere sells very little comparably. Most deere equipment or is leased. Nothing but out of touch with reality engineering coupled with corporate nepotism
Awesome video Zeth! I just replaced a timing cover on one of those engines, I did mine in the frame though. I removed the cooling package to do it which was actually not that hard. Then you can stand on the frame and work. The injector replacement procedure was super helpful!
Thanks. I enjoy watching the long tedious process.
I’m a caseih man but these guys are awesome 👏 every colour has bad and good
That was pretty good Mate. Thanks from down under
Good teacher and professional engineer 💪💪💪
OK, I see what you're doing there. I worked on a tier 3 13.5 in a 9630 today. The valve settings on that one are 023 and 043. They got an injector setting notch every 60° of camshaft rotation in the center camshaft bearing journal. You don't even need the timing pin that goes into the notch in the crank counterweight unless you've had the head or geartrain off it. Number one TDC is the notch in the cam journal that comes to the hole before the double notch gets there.
Erfolgreiche Operation am offenen Herzen, gut gemacht Zeth 🇨🇭😇
Excited for the second part!
You have to have your brain in gear when you setting up those valves.
A critical job 👍👍👍👍. Good job you have a system.
Nice speaker 👍👍👍
that looks so much easier to do outside of a generator enclosure, in a snowstorm lol
As always making everything easier good job ❤
Zeth very informative video as always. Keep the knowledge coming. Definitely look you up at the next one. Stay safe!!
Great video boy the last time I adjusted valves was back in the 70 and 80s I was also a Mazda Master Tech besides being a Ford Tech, it was part of the maintenance schedule every 15,000 miles the good Ole days yea I see having to put all the info into ECU for the injectors whenever we do trans solenoids or renew the valve body we half to do the same thing program the new info into the ecu pretty common in todays world right!
Keep up the great informative videos kool to watch for me and to see what you guys deal with like we do its not getting any easier is it take care!
He is lucky, learning from the best ZK Master Tech.
Keep up the good work love watching you on RUclips god bless marry Christmas
Love watching you on RUclips god bless all the best for Christmas
Amazing work. I’m auto mechanic in Europe a grow up in a farm if I have a chance to change to work there and learn about John Deere.
ANother great one Zeth! Love your channel!
Nice Video of Changing fuel injector
Aren't the normal specs two turns past stripped and back off a quarter? 🙂 Thank you for another great video. Stay safe, and God bless.
😂😂 I think that went over most people lol.
Nifty torque wrench, didn't have those when I started out
Is there no means of bench testing modern injectors types Zeth? I know the old days were simpler, but at least you knew the condition of the injectors. Thanks from UK.
I got anxiety watching the apprentice start out pulling on the torque wrench. Maybe he never had torqued low specs before though. Kudos to Zeth the difference between being cocky and being confident & competent!
do you carry all this knowledge in your head, or is there a guide like Chilton's for referral nearby?
Service advisor
Zeth,is josh on his own now? Is that 13 leader a good engine, good to hear from you ,take care.
Yeah he’s working on his own unless i need his help with something.
Goodnight .
My name is Julio Cezar, I live in Brazil and I graduated from John Deere and I thank you very much for posting your videos, they really teach us a lot.
I have to translate so you understand.
Would it be possible for us to form a group to share our work in the field with you so we can learn?
Not too loud, we got you. 11:21
OK, fine business Zeth. I was wondering about a couple things. 1). What ever happened to measuring drag on a feeler gauge with a spring scale? Today I see you are "feeling" the drag on a feeler gauge with your fingers. Isn't there a more precise way to set the rocker clearance than feeling the drag with your fingers on a feeler gauge? I have a set of feeler gauges that have a .002" step for a go/ no-go but that seems too large. Maybe there should be 1/2 thou step. Or how about a dial indicator to check the lash? The indicators I have used can offer accuracy down to 2 tenths of 1 thousandths. It seems like that would be a more accurate way of knowing the clearance than the feel of drag on a feeler gauge with fingers. And 2). I was wondering about the tightening value applied with your double offset box end wrench on the valve lash lock nuts. Remember when you were disassembling the rockers and one lock nut was way way tight? @ 10:45 Considering how precise all of the other tightness tests are, i.e. the injector hold down bolt wanted 30 Lb/Ft torque, then back off 90°, then 106 Lb/Inches +90° more, it just seems like there should be a measurement on how tight the lock nut is tightened for a rocker lash setting. ben/ michigan
There is a torque spec on those nuts.
Howdy Joseph!
Do you get a stipend to pay for all the tools you have in shop and on your truck? Thats a shit ton of money invested in tools
Hi from overseas, i was hoping you might point me in the right direction with a question i have. We own 7700 with a 19 speed powershift and it has almost a grinding noise coming from the back end , but it only does it on idle , noise goes away as soon as you give it any throthle . Its been doing it for the past couple years since we bought it used, but it seems to be getting louder. I was hooping you might give me some pointers where to start looking.
What’s the name of that tool your using on the set screw to set the adjuster preload I like it where can I buy
Eu gosto do seu trabalho.
Nice Vid!
Make sure the oil is evacuated from the injector hold down bolt holes. He didn't mention it. I'm sure he did, though.
Since the JD 13.5 is a dead ringer copy of a Cat 3406E/C15 why don't you just adjust the valves and injectors at #1 TDC compression stroke and #1 TDC exhaust stroke like Cat does it? When #1 is at TDC on compression the next 2 in the firing order are 5 & 3 so you can adjust the exhausts on those. The previous two in the firing order were 2 & 4 so you can adjust the intakes on those. And you can adjust the injectors on the next three in the firing order (5, 3 & 6). Flip the engine a full turn and do the rest of 'em. What's the deal with that complicated "cheat sheet" for a Deere 13.5?
how about moline yellow?
Deere was not kind when they made that valve box. Seriously, a giant angle that?
Deere should be using your videos for factory training
Does the engine need to be re-certified for emissions when you replace injectors?
Cool
Hurry on those ammo cans, before banned in Illinois 😂😂😂
making noise means doing work
Good morning, I'm from Brazil, South America, and can you put the tool on your RUclips option in Portuguese Pará translation
It's like playing game operation
super
Opinion why cant make the bolt reuseable deer makes alot money on throw away one time use it in all industries for some time
Because the bolts can only stretch one time when using torque angle. Stretching the bolt provides more clamping force.
The noise making is called work. And complaints about the same should be ignored.
Pencil injectors were so much easier:)
You should instruct your apprentice to not wear jewelry. It is very easy to get hung up by your ring finger. I have had this happen as an engine mechanic in the military. Luckily I was not hanging by the ring, but was still standing. It was an eye opener!! Never wore rings again while working.
I thought you would replace the injector cups in the head considering 4000 hours, since you were changing all the injectors. 🤷♂️
Deere was on this path before the epa got involved. The engine electrical is ridiculous but to me the transmission and chassis design is the real joke. They have been trying to design small farmers out of business since the 60 series. Deere is interested in corporate farming and their own egos
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Pulled the engine because the fan drive bearing failed, seems a bit excessive if you ask me >
Not to replace the timing cover and oil pan gasket
I operate heavy equipment, I am so sick of trying to train people! I was borne in 1969, Ive seen it all and done it all, todays "new people" are dumb as shit, and after you spend months of training them, they quit and go work at taco bell etc, I have know idea what happened to people over the last 20 years, but when I was young there was no "oops" try again, no, I got screamed at by the the best in the industry, a good yelling at lasts a life time, I can only imagine the frustration you go through in this job, I will take the late 1970s and 1980s any day compared to this gen, fuck them, if they cant deal with what I had to deal with, Walmart is always looking for help!.
Too much money for a 4 speaker system.
I find it ridiculous that a computer has to be uploaded with all the injector info to run. Quit frankly it ludicrous to have to have all this gov. Mandated emmisions that costs a fortune to repair, lessons power per gallon of fuel etc. Do you realize that 1 cross country flight in a boeing 747 burns more fuel than average farmers burn a year. And thats just one way flight at a fuel burn of 1 gallon of fuel per SECOND, 18,000gal. For a 5 hour flight. Days of just swapping out parts is over. Miss the 6619, good power low fuel burn, 0 electronics unless you count the electric shutdown. 😕
I don’t carry water for emissions, but injector compensation makes sense from every stand point. Keeps exhaust temps down, engine temps down, burns fuel more effectively, makes more power, has better harmonics, keeps consumption down, helps cold starting. I can go on and on and on. It’s not just for emissions. There is a reason modern engines are far superior and it’s not because of emissions. If you don’t like modern technology, go buy the old clapped out equipment and fix it since it’s soo easy.
I agree 100%@bradley7723. I gave 36yrs of my life to GM at their proving ground in Milford Michigan in the "occupation" of emissions and fuel economy. I entertained the FEDS when they came to my bug tussle town with their "selective enforcement" emission test vehicles. It was 100% political. Just because Las Angeles had a stagnant air problem, our entire country had to go hog wild into computer controlled everything to supposedly "clean up" tailpipe pollution. Whatever the California Air Resources Board "CARB" wanted the entire country had to adopt. I use a 1948 8N tractor and I drive a 1969 vehicle. I don't give a tinker's damn about emissions. It's all BS and we all pay for the whims of those politicians who are completely lobbied. *(bribed) The Nancy Piglousy types flew back and forth from Calif. to DC how many thousand times? What a bunch of BS! Those politicians used more fuel than my whole family combined over all of our lifetimes. How can a tractor possibly even figure into their Clean Air Act? Contributing less than 1/10th of 1%. We have to get this under control. THEY WORK FOR US! ben/ michigan
Yea well Michigan politics cannot get much worse with current run of govenors all competing to be mini California and New York 😢😢
the engine will run without putting in the new injector trim code. Just not as efficient
You are looking at it with blinders. That 747 is carrying 350 people. How much fuel would it take to move those people the same distance in 10 busses or 78 or more cars? If the computer makes the tractor use less fuel then the farmer spends less and makes more.