That Pedal Show - Mega Delays Part 1: DL4, TimeFactor, TimeLine, H9, Tonal Recall & Echolution
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2016
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In this episode Daniel and Mick take a brief look at the venerable Line 6 DL4, before moving on to the delay revolution that it spawned.
It wasn’t so long ago that having more than one delay option on your board was for pros only. These days it’s absolutely commonplace, and the DL4 plays an important role in that evolution, offering a huge number delays in one pedal, with three at your feet.It changed everything for pedal-loving delay users all the way back at the turn of the century. Phenomenally popular, they still make ‘em.
Pedals in this episode
• Line 6 DL4
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2YSEjFF
USA: bit.ly/3pDAdQ4
• Eventide Time Factor
UK & Europe: bit.ly/38qlCho
USA: imp.i114863.net/k6bG3
Australia: bit.ly/2RLGNEX
• Strymon TimeLine
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2fzulGD
USA: imp.i114863.net/xMbDd
Australia: bit.ly/2pSEFKm
• Pigtronix Echolution 2
• Eventide H9 - No longer made. Links to H9 Max
UK & Europe:bit.ly/3p8kngN
Australia: bit.ly/3LTWjbq
USA: bit.ly/32eqHLm
• Chase Bliss Audio Tonal Recall
No longer made
Interesting bits and go-to sections…
DL4 intro and recap: 2:18
Today’s overdrive and amp choices: 4:18
Line 6 DL4 sound samples: 5:36
Eventide Time Factor discussion and sounds: 9:12
Strymon TimeLine discussion and sounds, including dry analogue through discussion vs DL4: 14:00
More TimeLine sounds: 21:30
Pigtronix Echolution 2 discussion and sounds: 23:55
Eventide H9 discussions and sounds: 30:12
Chase Bliss Audio Tonal Recall discussions and sounds: 35:14
Yep, all at once: 42:12
Guitars in this episode
Gibson USA Derek Trucks Signature SG
Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster
Amps this episode
Mesa Lonestar head into 1x12 cab with Celestion G12-75 Creamback
Hamstead Artist 20+RT into 1x12 cab with Celestion Alnico Blue
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2LRf2ae
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I wish the Tonal Recall wasn't so expensive, I'd die to own one. They sound so amazing!
Greetings from Berklee College of Music Mick and Dan!! This show is amazing! Every friday i look foward to watching this show in the morning before my classes. Would love to see you guys come here to Boston! You guys rock!!!🤘🏼✌🏻️
Awesome video! Let's not forget Robert Fripp's contributions in the 70s with his Frippertronics reel-to-reel analog system. It definitely paved the way to the early 2000s looping movement & beyond.
Jaco Pastorius did live looping with Weather Report and Joni back in the late 70's! He's definitely worth a mention. Great vid as always guys.
I prefer my Strymon, because I love the analog dry path, but mark my words... 30 years from now MXR, after acquiring the Line 6 name, will be selling a DL4 preamp that muddies up the sound like that.
Randall Yeager LOL
HOUSE OF MANA tera melos rule!
I think that's a fair prediction. Companies like MXR are always reissuing because people miss certain "sounds". The Line 6 xx4 series has a sound, and the DL4 is known for it. I'm with you thinking it will eventually be a desired sound.
HOUSE OF MANA Haven't heard about either of those, though. Scott Holiday from Rival Sons uses one, although it's apparently modified.
Strymon seems like the best one of the bunch outside of the TC Nova pedal which sadly is no longer in production. The H9 is expensive and interface sucks unless you hook up an ipad. Might as well use ipad apps at that point for free!
Awesome history of present delays! Thanks guys! my first delay was a DL4 now I'm at TC flashback, L6 M5, and eventide H9. Thanks that pedal show! and DL4
The tremolo-delay of the Timeline is probably one of my favourite settings ! So much inspiring! Thanks for this again great video!
As a longtime DL4 user, THANK YOU for bringing clarity (ha) to this topic about the sonic differences caused by the AD/DA conversion. The A/B sound examples are very useful.
Man, you guys have grown on me. Entertaining, musical, and most of all, informative. As if I wasn't GASing enough...
That Tonal Recall truly blew me away. What a fantastic pedal; no wonder it costs so much.
+Alice Mason yep, we'll have more on that soon ;)
The king of the DL4 looping is still Dave Knudson, guitarist from Minus The Bear. He uses 2 or 3 on his board and records his loops quickly live and tweaks them out all crazy.
Nick Reinhart of tera melos is incredible with a dl4. inspired me to get one for my looper
Tera Melos, I remember them. My band used to play shows with them back in the day in the Bay Area.
Watch the pedalboard rundown he did for the pedals and effects channel its crazy what he can do with one dl4 and a bunch of other pedals. Inspired me to do the same
One man orchestra stuff
dude, YES. this guy messing around with his dl4's is really something to watch
Great video! Very informative and entertaining. I like how you guys turn on all the delays and go crazy at the very end of your video.
Congrats gents. Your sub numbers are beginning to grow exponentially. Well done and deserved.
Yes the Tonal Recall!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! There are definitely not enough videos on this pedal yet and I predict it being the next 'ubiquitous' analog delay pedal.
Straight from Guitar Paradiso to That Pedal Show
I used to do things
Was it the Gretch video?
Yes
+Stinkfist2000 "I used to do things", too accurate
I can't stress enough how bad the internet needed guys like you. This show is incredibly entertaining, funny, and also musically educational and you demo some amazing stuff! Now onto this episode, thanks guys!
This was great! Thanks guys.. I just got myself a Timeline this week and can't wait to dive in and see what I can do! Update: It's glorious! I'm never leaving the house again!
I love y'all's videos i watch the every Friday when they come out. i think it would be awesome if y'all did a video where y'all went through all types of pedals and talked about which was y'all favorite or what you would put on your board. keep it up!
Nice one!!! So many other delays that could have been on this episode!!!! Yes please next episode about rotary pedals!!!!
Playing with a Tonal Recall on the board with another Tonal Recall casually sitting in a frame on the wall... :D
I think, in tribute to Dead & Company, we need an episode on envelope filters!
yes!
I second that! I've got a Keeley Neutrino that almost scratches the itch, but it's hard to find good demos recorded by good players in a good studio.
+Jason Vanzant Mayer used an ehx q tron which was designed by the same guy who designed the mutron
Hehe, I used to have an old Electro-Harmonix Q-Tron...had its own power supply, came in a wooden box, and was skull-crushingly loud/bright. I would love to hear the new EHX Q-Tron+ side-by-side with some other envelope follower circuits.
id recomed trying a new one if you can
Hey fellas, nice to see the H9 here. I hope to see it in some other shows someday. And, as ever .... great show !!!! Keep up the terrific work
Jaco did looping in the 70's with a MXR delay I believe on the Slang solo with Weather Report and solo! First time I noticed it as a kid but was very rare and impressive to see! Great show as usual gentleman!
I miss pedal demo shows like this guys 😔👍🏻
Me too!!
Dan and Mick I've said it before and I will say it again, you have helped me on my quest for tone no end so thanks! My small VOX AC10 arrived today! Damn you two on my wallet! One thing I would love to see is an episode on how you set up your board/amps for a gig with different guitars to ensure you don't get too much volume drops when changing, EQ issues where one guitar sounds great the other too thin or too loud etc. Keep up the work dudes! :)
Have been wondering for a while why I prefer the Strymon to the H9.... & here you have it....analogue drive through. This show should be part of the national curriculum.
Freaker by the speaker! His show was astounding! He was very comfortable looping, best I know of because he just makes it very natural. It isn’t like he’s experimenting, he plays songs and has breaks etc .. very good guitarist as well!
The shows just keep getting better and better guys!
Great show as usual! I'd love to see a Flanger episode, going from the original roots of tape Flanging, to BBD Flanging, to the introduction of Through-Zero (and including the Catalinbread implementation) and how pedal placement (before distortions, after distortion, end of chain) affects everything.
Big fan of the show guys, found the channel a few weeks ago and have worked my way through the whole back catalogue. Really informative and the banter is pretty decent too! Definitely a new favourite show & I find myself patiently waiting every Friday for the new vid. :)
Tonal Recall & all the other stuff from Chase Bliss is fantastic, but pricey!! Would be great to see you guys mucking about with some other boutique pedal makers, Earthquaker Devices, Old Blood Noise Endeavours, Caroline etc.. they have some fantastic sounding gear.
have a good weekend :)
+John Newlands Thanks John, great to have you on board. No doubt we'll get to those guys as they get to us. :0)
Phil Keaggy is an amazing early adopter of the first Boomerang and Jam Man pedals. Listen to his Acoustic Sketches albums and be blown away. He's using DL4, Jam Man, and Pigtronix Infinity Loopers together these days
that man is the man.
I agree. Keaggy is the first person I heard really getting creative with loopers.
Great vid as usual guys!
Glad you're redoing the Nemesis demo! Will be interesting to see if it challenges your current thinking on digital vs analog dry-through.
That epic sonic pedal frenzy at the end! Amazing.
I've recently bought myself a triple flashback, it's loverly!!
For anyone interested, if you press in the selector knob on the timefactor, you can swap the delay time from being based on a tempo (choosing subdivisions) to being based on a time (selecting delay time in milliseconds). So in answer to Mick's question, no, they do not have to be sync'd.
I have been through a few delay pedals in my time and I really like the Empress Tape delay. Its analog with tap tempo and the ability to save 2 or 3 presets. Excellent product.
I love that the Strymon lets your real sound come thru then adds modulation on top of it. That’s the key. As opposed to coloring your tone the minute you plug in.
Glad y'all did the Echolution 2! I was planning on buying it but didn't know how it would stack up to the major "Titans" of delay pedals. Now I can't wait to buy mine. Keep up the good work!
+The Captivated yeah, totally killer delay
Mick did a brilliant review of a new line6 multi fx unit recently in which he compared it to real equipment. Superb review which highlighted the differences! More of these would be greatly appreciated ( if you are looking for ideas).
So glad to see Chase Bliss Audio getting some love.
Oh yes!!!!! This is the video for me!!! Perfect start to a full weekend of gigs :) :) :)
Leeds/Reading I presume?
+Stephen Owen Yarm tonight, Carlisle tomorrow and Sunday :)
Can't wait to see more on the Tonal Recall! Would be awesome if you guys did an episode about higher end analog delays (Chase Bliss Tonal Recall, Fairfield Circuitry Meet Maude, vintage Deluxe Memory Man, etc. etc.)!
That SG sounds bomb!!! Love it!
H9 is epic. And I have a Korg SDD 3000 pedal as well which is wicked too
Mick and delay is magic
Great video! Thanks guys!
It always gets me how good that tele sounds
I love your show! I highly recommend trying the afterneath by earthquaker devices. my number one reverb/ambient pedal. keep it up guys
I use the Tonal Bliss! it's special :) beautiful warm sounds and its very quiet for an analog delay!!
Great Episode, No DD-500? That pedal is uber deep, deep, deep, deep,( and on par with the video line up ) so I don't blame you guys for not adding it, but it's worth a mention. Keep up the great vids guys.
Had to learn the intro lick. Very nice.
FWIW, I love that your vids are nice and long. Great content and explanations.
I have the time and attention span to invest as a subscriber.
Nice work guys! This has to be right up Rabbea's street! Toska stuff is incredible! Don't forget he uses Strymon too!
I have had 3 of the 6 delays reviewed, I only kept the Echolution. Besides sounding fantastic, the user interface is pure genius, the software provided for deeper programming is awesome, and no menus to dig around!
That Timeline sounds awesome!
40 Patreons!! Congratulations!! Cheers!!
Oh my Lord! Dan's Tele sound mighty.... love it!
Obviously, DL4 is my favourite all the time, all the Coldplay'ish / Johny Buckland sounds in a box :)
How crazy that 5 years even after this video that they finally released the MKII
Would love a full rundown of the DL4 - so much possibility with that pedal. Definitely get what Mick is saying about the analog/digital conversion and latency with the DL4, especially in comparison with the Timeline.
Can we enjoy videos of 2 guys sitting and looking down at their feet for most of the time? Yes.
love your videos guys. tone heaven
These pedals are freaking awesome! I don't know about you guys, but I think a really good contender to all of these delays is the TC Electronics Triple Delay, capable of stacking delays! Good stuff guys!
+Luis Juarez Yeah good shout Luis - it's a fun pedal for sure!
Great episode guys. I've been anticipating this one for a while. The only thing I was surprised about was that you didn't include the Korg SDD3000. I know you can't include every delay out there and you were demonstrating how delay pedals have evolved. The SDD300 is quite unique and I personally think it fits into that evolutionary chain somewhere. I also know Dan gave it the thumbs up in his second Ed O'Brien video. If you can work it in to a future episode in some shape or form then that would be great please.
+Paul Hawksworth We will do that. For us is spiritually different from the TimeLine/Time Factor type approach. But it is a killer pedal for sure. We may have one....
The eventide took me a long time to get used to programming and moving around. But after owning a timeline, dd500, dl4, And timefactor, I had to go with the timefactor. It is just SO customizable. All are amazing, but when I realized the possibilities with it, I had to force myself to learn it. The Barn3 external switches and an external tap make it a billion times easier to navigate.
So glad you're gonna look at the M5 totally underrated. Please use an expression pedal. Also the Zoom MS70 CDR is a must try multifx.
Really dig the history lesson vibe- b cool to explore others effects roots like this
Hey guys. Love your show! For a future episode, would you consider talking about how you'd choose a set of pedals for a particular amp? Maybe take a few different common amp models and talk about how the properties of the amps would lead you to choose pedals for them? You often hit on how certain pedals work better or worse with different amps, but it's usually in passing. Since many players only have a single amp to work with and have to build a pedal collection around that, I think this would be an interesting topic.
Glad to see the H9 get a run on this channel. It's absolutely one of my favourite pedals and has a nearly limitless amount of sounds.
There's something I always really like about the DL4. It's not the most accurate sounding modeling delay, but those flaws are what make it so definitive and great imo.
Five years later and I agree. The DL4’s flaws are what makes it relevant still today.🇺🇸
and great video as always :D Thanks!
never understood reverse delay nor can imagine how to use it. very nice video
The Tele's tone at 4:59 is unreal! Seriously!
I'd love a video on the chase bliss pedals line where you go really in depth with all the dip switches and ramping! Perhaps also exploring something like the Critter and Guitari Organelle as an effects processor, that's a crazy thing.
Colne blues festival, I'm playing at Colne Blues fest! Stoked! not a biggie but there all the same. Loving playing with my Marshall G15 R cd & Westfield MVG100 - stereo outs, Strat copy, great pick ups and Sakura Dreadnought. Jazz & Blues - Nice!
Love the Tonal Recall .
Yay! Thank God it's Friday...
yes! i love this one. i had an interesting idea, since you have such awesome tones all the time, you dudes should take the opposite way and do a video where you tackle sort of lofi guitar sounds!
I will always love my DL4 but there are so many other flavors out there...great video
From 3 plus years ago, but I can't help but think if you guys went back and listened to this again you might find your tones were the best with the DL4!
that delay with tremolo was nice. typically tremolo gives him a headache but that one was nice
the tonal recall is the delay I want but at $400 the timeline seems like so much more for $50 more. the question is pedal board real estate.
That Derek Trucks SG is stunning - both in looks and tone...
Dan: "I found this pedal (the TimeFactor) really confusing to use." Yes! I tried out the TimeFactor side-by-side with the TimeLine and found the latter so much more intuitive, so I bought it over the TimeFactor.
I don't understand why people still get the Factor-pedals when they could just get H9s instead. I'm a Timeline user myself and love it to bits, especially now that Nixie is out.
Love my Echolution2 Filter Pro! It truly sounds 3 dimensional even in mono. It has kicked some great delays off my board.However the software to edit the presets does not work with Windows 10. The folks at Pigtronics have said they are working on this and it should be out soon. Great show Mates!
Awesome as always, just a little surprised to not see the Empress Superdelay
Phil Keaggy. First guy I ever saw doing looping on acoustic back in early 90s. Amazing stuff.
PIcked up on Nick doing that bit of Cliffs of Dover!
that tele sounds so good
Firstly, I don't know why you didn't pause at the start and then say "Sorry for the delay" - that would have brought the house down!! :) I used two DL4s on my board for years and swore I'd never leave it but then I found the Timeline (with the Disaster Area MIDI controller) and have not looked back. I agree when you say the DL4 has a sound (surprisingly warm for a digital pedal) but I think there's also a Strymon 'sound' too, although it's not affecting the original signal - neither of these are bad things though, it's good that pedals have character. It would be so exciting to have Jeorge Tripps on the show. Way Huge stuff is so underrated I think and he never really gets the limelight he deserves. In my opinion, the Saucy Box and the Green Rhino are two of the best overdrives to ever be produced that you can find in almost any store. Great video, big fan. Thanks lads!
for me...the timeline and tonal recall the best delays. Amazing sounds for ambient sounds.
Is that the new Dr Who theme tune at the end, sounded awesome to me. Love the show guys!
I have an H9 and I tried the DD500 but Nemesis is by far the best of the bunch. It does all my delay stuff and the H9 is now a dedicated reverb.
that 3rd preset on the dl4 sounds like my solo playing. Who knew a pedal would replicate what a human can do?
It's friday iday iday day ay ay ay... with some crunch on the repeats :-)
I need help badly guys. I keep going in circles with all my effects because I cant be happy with my amp settings. A show on just getting a good foundation on the amp would help me build. Every tone you guys have is killer. I need to know were you start. How you set the guitars tone knobs before even beginning to dial in the pedals. Hell just a good recording of your preferred clean tones. I have at least learned how to set the break up point thanks to you guys but that might help out lots of guys. I have a Rivera 55-12 but a run down of each circuit (Fender,Plexi,Vox) would kick ass. I think I could get more flexibility from my pedals if I locked down a better base. Finding your clean tone 101 kinda thing. I know sound/tone is subjective but you guys know good tone and thats a fact we can all agree on. Btw you guys are great. That was deliberate ass kissing by the way ha.
LOVE that SG!
+racerx3065 So do I! Just wish I could play it in tune!
Massive fan of the videos! How about a video about a few smaller, independent British manufacturers? I've bought from a couple of smaller, one-man operations myself and always found the pedal selections quite interesting and unique. Might also be good for adding some new noise boxes to the shelves...
A comparison video on the eventides would be a dream!
To those looking into bigger digital delay units. The Nemisis is incredible also and at a price point thats a little more approachable. Inspiring sounds, easy to use. Can add controllers and apps depending on how deep you wanna go. Mine knocked of my X4 and has written songs already :)
A real dream pedalboard for delays
The Echolution sounds awesome...