Who Framed Roger Rabbit VS. Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers: Why One Works and One Doesn’t
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024
- An analysis as to why the creativity of Who Framed Roger Rabbit works better as a crossover than the new Rescue Rangers reboot. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch my video! All comments and critiques are very much welcome and appreciated! I am finally trying to make more videos about topics that really interest me, so stay tuned for more!
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The animators for Who Framed Roger Rabbit actually animated Bob Hoskins in some scenes to make his interactions with tools more seamless
Forgot to mention it! But it was very clever on the animators part!
This film can be summed up as Disney executive watching the Roger Rabbit for the first time and then they'd suggested making their own without thinking WHY Roger Rabbit was so good...
What chip and dale did to peter Pan is just stright up evil
I honestly can’t see them not realizing how similar it was to the actors real life. Definitely messed up
@@QSoundProductions it was fucked up the way Disney did this
@@QSoundProductions Yeah, that was uncalled for of Disney to do to Bobby Drisco’s legacy after how poorly they treated him back when he was alive.
I felt like they did knew about Driscoll, but they didn’t care and they did it anyway.
@@mustachetwirler7617 The Bobby Driscoll stuff was a coincidence. What the crew intended to do was showcase the tragedy among child actors.
Charlie Brown was originally considered for the role. They went with Peter Pan, as the character was easier for licensing.
If you toke out the animation of Roger rabbit what do you got?
The story of a man overcoming his grief of the loss of his brother and becoming the detective he was
Chip and Dale is a very poor commentary on childstars
Reminder than the 2D animation in chip n dale isnt actually 2D. At least for the main characters, they are actually 3D models with a stylized cell shade. I usually love stylized 3D but in this context it was done to be lazy instead of actually animating the characters as 2D. Even the newer Tom and Jerry movie somehow did the 3D better...
The Tom and Jerry movie didn't use cel-shaded animation. It was stylized 3D that the animators tried to make it look and feel 2D.
I feel like this movie might have been a tad more expensive than Tom & Jerry for obvious reasons. I'd personally have it this way rather than not having it at all.
@@3Davmawey Like anything good, it costs money. I know these companies make stuff purely for money but I honestly dont care. I still want art to have the most effort and creativity possible and practically feasible.
Though it was pretty obvious that this movie was meant to be modern day shovel wear/ direct to dvd of sorts, the way it was kind of just shoved onto their streaming platform.
Personally I don't really see a point for this movie existing without going the extra mile to create something proper
With what happened to the actor who played Peter, the character being a villain felt like Disney trying to protect their own ass from what they did. it's bad enough the actor died in the gutter but they have to make his character evil? that has to be the biggest dick move I have ever seen. thank for you spitting on the grave of someone you screwed.
The worst part is some people defending as quote "DARK HUMOR"
No because dark humor only works when something is funny. This was just disrespectful for the sake of being disrespectful. That's why it wasn't funny.
You could argue that the way cameos are handled in Chip and Dale is just the modern "lazy" approach to cameos and comedy in general. The approach certainly existed before, but it feels like it became a staple in the last couple of decades.
@SaintSquared Obviously is "Rick & Morty" humor, twisted things for dark comedy
Richard Williams has done a fantastic job directing the animation for roger rabbit
Rest in Peace, man. You are a legend.
My problem's with Chip n Dale was not only the cameos being lazy (mainly it's just a recognizable character in the background doing nothing), but also the animation choices. The concept of a modern world of toons of all genres (2D, 3D, traditional, digital, rotoscoped, motion capture, stop motion, and even puppetry) we're boil down to just CG and flash animation. I like the idea of a hand drawn character and a CGI character going on an adventure in a live action setting, but it's kinda hard when both is CG except in a different way. Also the choice for Peter Pan to be the villain obviously felt a little weird and I personally believe Pinocchio would've been a better choice.
I also wonder if anyone else felt Gadget and Zipper becoming a couple didn't really click for them. I think the writers just threw that in without even giving it a thought at all.
And it's worse when thought about how Zipper basically is capable of talking but took a role that is compatible to a human dressing up as a dog in a suit and acted like it too, while also being implied to be a kid.
I'd love to hear what their defense to that stuff it.
Your points are completely valid and correct. I loved this movie, it was my favorite growing up. I watched this movie so much I destroyed my VHS copy and we had to get another. I remember when it came out. My one issue is you assessment of the Jessica Rabbit song. There were no violins or brass instruments. It is just the three on stage, an upright bass, a drum set, and a piano. Unless they added more instruments since I was a kid (in the 80's) then is should just be those three.
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In Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the toons never age.
In Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers, Chip, Dale, Peter Pan (Sweet Pete), and Captain Putty aged.
That kind of begs the question? If Toons can't age, how did Peter Pan become a middle-aged man?
I’m glad someone finally pointed that out.
The thing about RR is the movie had ideas and ran them horridly, like it's astonishing how badly in just 2 months did it's acknowledgement of acting horrors negatively impacted it. Peter Pan is based out of Bobby Driscoll but makes him the villain, it's like the recent Jennette McCurdy dilemma seeing her as the villain, you do not do that. It's all the more confusing as to how Ugly Sonic exists when the only way that could be is if he was a bootleg as the movie insisted, but he isn't and there are no variants or similar versions of a character, so he being in the movie is a plot hole.
I know this movie was rushed, had a small budget, but regardless of that it's not something that's enough to forgive, like buying something and getting it worse than intended, Disney clearly made this movie to appeal to fans and as a love letter, but it's nothing more than a pathetic corporate cash grab and they should be ashamed for the end product being an utter mess.
In actuality, it is FAR from a love letter.
What does Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Enchanted & Wreck-It Ralph have in common? Besides being Disney properties, they are all love letters to what they represent.
Roger Rabbit is a love letter to classic cartoons.
Enchanted is a love letter to Disney Princesses.
Wreck-It Ralph is a love letter to video games.
Chip & Dale is like you said, a corporate cash grab with no soul whatsoever. It is just a cheap wannabe Roger Rabbit that will be forgotten within the next year.
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or not but the film seems to have ignored the fact that Chip and Dale have been together since the 1940's, they've even appeared in material after Rescue Rangers went kaput.
Noticed that too. I wonder if the writers were even aware that they have history beyond a 90s TV cartoon lol.
@@soupmoneyman143 Exactly! Not to mention, Peter Pan has appeared in material in his regular form after the film like Return to Neverland and Jake and the Neverland Pirates, among a couple other stuff.
Didn't Disney already tried to follow the Roger Rabbit thread with "Bonkers"?
Kind of speaks for itself, really.
I'd still watch Bonkers over this Xd
@@alexsartandgameschannel3883, I would watch "Bonkers" anyway, I love this show.
@@YelenaSkunky Yes, it's a very cool show imo (The episodes with the lady cop were kind of meh in my opinion though...)
Yeah its BETTER than this Chip n Dale shit we got!
I would also argue that the movie didn't understood the style of the rescue rangers show. Like right at the beginning is a scene where they film a scene of the original show with a gag of fat cat seeing bird after being hit and then chasing them... This kind of cartoon logic was never in rescue rangers. The show was for the most part very grounded. The bird thing was more a dark wing duck cartoon logic kinda thing. And yeah agree. The only two good parts where the bootleg concept and ugly sonic.
Holy crap, someone else who gets it! That scene was NOTHING like a Rescue Rangers episode!
I wasn't ready for Capcom V.S. SNK to pop up in a Roger Rabbit and Chip and Dale video
you know what i never got from the rescue rangers movie? why did peter grow up, but not that other kid from his same movie? the one that says “you got old!”
Well I think it was probably for one of two reasons.
This is mainly a theory of mind but, have you noticed that more people tend to focus on Tinker Bell and less on Peter Pan himself? I sort of have this feeling that Peter Pan got older because he lost the attention love from the children he did before. Tinker Bell was always a lot more popular with kids, so obviously she stayed young. Meanwhile, Peter Pan became more obscure and therefore wasn’t given this much attention, so he aged.
This is the most likely reason. What happened to peter pan in the movie is sort of pain “homage” what happened to the actor who played Peter Pan in the actual movie. I forgot his name, but when he played Peter Pan, he was already on his way to hitting puberty. By the time he was in his 20s, Disney pretty much wanted nothing to do with him so he was fired. He turned to a life of drugs and alcohol and eventually died at age 30. He wasn’t just a voice actor for Peter Pan, he was also the model and he would spend a lot of days dressed as Peter Pan jumping around the studio for animators to use as a reference. So since he was “too old” for any other projects, they let him go.
@@Bitsy83 wow. Reminds me of that Tiny Toon episode Fields of Honey where Honey was aged before she became young again by people appreciating her cartoons
Chip and Dale also aged, but the movie in general has a lot of plot holes/bad world building it did not explained anything well.
I wondered the exact same thing!
I think if they want to do Rescue Rangers in the spirit of the original show and with the crossovers it should be limited to just Disney characters to avoid cameo overload. Like they can have a plot that features Donald Duck as a main character and the other Disney characters are either cameos or smaller roles.
Main reason CDRR movie didn’t work: Instead of making an ACTUAL in-universe Rescue Rangers movie,they LITERALLY “Roger Rabbit”ed and took the characters out of the show making it NOT even feel like Rescue Rangers!! IDk if they were afraid of the movie being too similar to the “An American Tale” movies franchise if they would have went that route or what, but by going the route they DID,it flopped HARD.
Or better they could have gone the Scooby Doo Zombie Island approach, where the gang retires then comes back together for another adventure years later.
One of the reason I was disappointed with this film was the lack of Rescue Rangers in the movie. I mean I was hoping for a big mystery where the team comes together again, but not like in the third act of the film and at the start. At least Roger Rabbit kept the promises of the film.
I totally agree!! Really great video!
Thank you so much! :)
I'm so happy there people who still remember Tastsunko vs Capcom
Never forget man :,)
I actually really liked Chip and Dale because of how odd it was. It felt different than any other movie I'd seen recently and also introduced me to these iconic characters (I was born in 2000). But yeah, Roger Rabbit is clearly the better movie just for how expertly it handles the animation alone while Rescue Rangers remains a guilty pleasure.
I very much agree with your point of Roger Rabbit having purpose with its cameo choices beyond 'remember this character???'. A real good example is Eddie's interaction with Betty Boop. It's been a hot minute since I saw the scene, but it does so much for Eddie's character. He's been so anti toon and hostile to all of them, but softens up immediately with her. There's an implied history and a peek into the old Eddie before he lost his brother. And it works with her specifically because she's a black and white older toon and has a personality that'd fit the roll (basically alot more grounded).
I still haven't seen the Rescue Rangers movie because as much as I love animation of all forms it just felt cynical from the trailer. That and cheap. Roger Rabbit is dark and adult, but the world goes above and beyond to make the toon logic work and has fun with it. Like Jessica Rabbit's entire design is genius. Drawn like a sex bomb, set up to be a villain, but nope she loves this goofy rabbit because he's funny and makes her laugh. It's such a great way to play with a character like that and make her as memorable as she is.
Not to mention the art direction of Roger Rabbit. The toons are all desaturated to help them fit that noir lighting. Whiiiiiich is more than I can say for Rescue Rangers.
Ugly Sonic sort of became the Deus ex machina in the climax of the film, proving to Dale that he did get a job as a cop, while having Peter Pan surrounded.
The rest of your review is fine by me.👍
Ugly Sonic's existence in the movie is a plot hole/problem, because he's not a bootleg which is the only way he could exist, outside of being actual Sonic and getting a bad CG surgery, because there are no ugly Chip and Dales, or any other duplicates except Sonic and it makes no sense.
@@edman813 Would you rather have Jar Jar Binks in the film instead? Because that was going to happen until the last minute.
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Roger Rabbit feels like a love letter to the golden age of american animation. Chip And Dale Feels like a bad SNL sketch, or a PG version of something you’d see on Adult Swim. I’m genuinely surprised Disney okayed it, with it’s mostly cynical tone. Seems off brand, but at the same time playing it safe with that kinda marvel movie / Modern TV Sitcom writing, self aware, sarcastic humour. However I totally understand why it was so quickly forgotten. It just feels corporate at the end of the day, and you don’t feel the same love behind the project. It’s like TV writers who were asked to make an animation tribute, or they thought it would be funny to do it, not something made of genuine passion. I don’t hate the film, but as an animation fan, I find it a lacklustre attempt at a tribute to the medium. It’s more about washed up celebrities than it is cartoons. Also it has Seth Rogen.
I like both. Your opinion is your opinion
It's clear obvious by now that Who Framed Roger Rabbit is the king of crossover cameo/animation live-action hybrid films and is something that can never be replicated ever again. A close 2nd would probably be Ready Player One (I actually like that one). I actually saw Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers movie and it was okay. Though a much better film than Space Jam A New Legacy it was still not a great movie either. Plus with the exception of Chip, I really did not like the Beastars animation on the quote on quote 2D characters in which they didn't animate probably and often times felt lazy. 🐇🐿
I like both movies equally.
Chip and Dale weren't Chip and Dale in this film.
EXACTLY! This! They tried to go “Roger Rabbit” with this movie,with how they took the characters out of the show,instead of just making an in-movie movies. HELL,the ORIGINAL 90s “Tom & Jerry The Movie” movie had THE MOST random plot ever,but *at least* it stayed IN-UNIVERSE for said random plot!
The Dale in this movie is bottom 10 characters in media, he not only put himself out of work and stupidly created more and more problems in the movie, but the movie wants us to sympathize with an imbecile that learns nothing in this movie. Chip had every reason to not want anything with this clown.
I love who framed Roger rabbit i see clips of it and behind the scenes of it and test footage mostly every day
I also have a point about the humor from Chip n' Dale: Rescue Rangers, which is that it feels very cynical? Like it's trying to make fun of itself and the concept of reboots/crossovers but it just reeks of empty refrences with just a hint of "buy a Disney+ subscription! We've got all of these movies/shows you recognize on our service! Remember to buy our merch too!". Maybe that's just me, but I never got that feeling after watching Roger Rabbit.
Same here my friend. I didn't even laugh once while watching this film. Not even a chuckle. And if a supposed "COMEDY MOVIE" can't make you chuckle, you know it failed miserably.
The writers of this movie were from SNL just like the writers from Home Sweet Home Alone. Now that I think about it that explains why both films suck.
I wish we had a prequel to Eddie and his brother, would’ve love to see them in their early career
Chip and Dale is boring.
Roger Rabbit is such a treat to watch. 😊♥️
I agree with you 100%
When I saw the trailer, I knew this was going to be a terrible movie, and started to believe Disney was turning into a scumbag company.
Chip N' Dale is in the modern day, which means smoking is illegal in Disney movies, right?
Roger Rabbit is filled with 1950s madness, but it still hit.
That's the problem with the new Chip n Dale movie is nobody is talking about it today. Its just meh
Worse than meh, it's trash
Just late night the movie won an Emmy!
@@TheHalloweenSpirit Are you kidding?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Not, is totally official
Read Variety, Deadline Hollywood or The Hollywood Reporter
I would not make these points the main ones, but this is not my video.
I would say a cynical self aware deconstructive parody is not the same as a sincere love letter. And if Rescue Rangers was one thing, it is sincere.
I like the new ChipNDale movie. But then I also liked FF12 and 13.
If you are saying this movie is good then you are all wrong!! This movie is an absolutely great and unique masterpiece and truly heavenly unique because this is not just a movie for me.
This movie and its whole world is my dream, (the movie is like a perfect reflection of my dreams) my lifelong dream that I've only dreamed of all my life, a bit like the movies Space Jam movies and Who framed Roger Rabbit but this more because it takes place to modern times.
So my lifelong dream would be to change the world to the way it is in this film, but in such a way that it would be set in the future and this film reminded me, or actually reminds me, of what, despite its impossibility, I have hoped, dreamed the world would look like someday in the future, even if it wasn't bad even if it happened already now - that in addition to flying cars, small and large cities that have turned into beautiful futuristic, high-tech oases of well-being, and a well, excellently functioning, political world power that has led to world peace, this world would be inhabited in addition to us, side by side with us, together with this mystery-adventure-comedy film like animated characters!!!
The characters from countless different worlds, realities and universes of cartoon-computer-wax-CGI-puppet-animation-liveaction-TV and film series, like the city of Los Angeles, Hollywood in this film, would therefore live, all over the world, even in my home country Finland, by the people who created them, that is, with us, in perfect harmony and a kind of union would have been created for them, the purpose of which would be to guarantee fair and legal representation for all the different fictional characters of all the millions, billions of TV series and movie universes, across the different fictional worlds and universes where they come from and which we we have created for them, friendship, love, trust, humility and above all peace between us and the fictional characters as our goal. This movie is very similar to my dream of such a future.
I dreamed of the day when someone would come up with a way, even like the CGI cutting machine seen in the movie, or the multi-plane camera seen in the Roger Rabbit: Ressurection of Doom comic (used to resurrect Baron von Rotten aka Judge Doom), a machine and an efficient way to perform some sort of functional the transformation and revitalization process that could be used to bring the animated character back to life, which would help them be as alive, alive and as intelligent in terms of speaking and acting independently as in this movie and this time it would happen in this reality and it would not be a movie or any illusion and illusion but completely true!!
But this movie is my dream in which I have been living for the last 12 years - that the animated characters from the universes of countless movies would live around our world with us at work, shopping, hobbies and going on vacations, making TV shows and movies but in any case living together with us in peace and harmony.
Quite a dream and this movie is it!!!
But there is at least one flaw in this film, and it's this marriage of Gadget Hackwrench and Zipper, the family and the commotion that arose among the fans because of it:
It didn't have to go that way!!! Gadget should have married Chip and not Zipper!!
That's what was talked about for years - that Chip is in love with Gadget and Gadget is in love with him, and fans like me who wanted to see romance between the characters loved it, and even though in the universe of this movie it was just a TV romance, in its story, when they did that series, that in that TV series there was a romance between Gadget and Chip that meant infatuation, but in the real life of that movie's universe, things could have been different, quite true, but still no, because of us and the fans of that universe (those fans who thought Chip and Gadget were a better and more pleasant couple) so the makers of this movie still wouldn't have had to do that!!!
Chip and Gadget should have gotten married, had children and lived happily with them, not Gadget and Zipper!
Especially if the Actor-Gadget of that universe thought that the character he played, i.e. TV-Gadget, and himself were one and the same character, then he should have thought the same about love as well.
I wish that Gadget and Zipper would get into a fight, or some other kind of disagreement with each other, file for divorce, (but still remain really close and very good friends because of their series and otherwise, like before) Zipper would look for and find another girl like him, like that queen bee and Gadget would take Chip as her new husband.
And I hope that in a possible sequel they would do that, even if it's against some movie rules, but I still hope they do because do you think I'd let the filmmakers continue this relationship between Gadget and Zipper after they married them this instead of the main character of the beloved TV series, Chip and Gadget, and after the betrayal that destroyed the childhood of the people who watched this series as children in the 90s?
Think! Gadget married a fly, instead of the handsome, popular and brave Chip, and they have 42 - and more mouse-fly mutant babies to come!
And for people's childhood alone, it should all be undone. The only way would be to go to the universe of this movie, find a way to travel in time, and if we could go back in time there, we can stop Gadget and Zipper from falling in love with each other and make Gadget fall in love with Chip, instead of Zipper and Chip with Gadget, and make them feel real romantic feelings that threaten real love towards each other and get them to marry and they would possibly have purebred mouse/chipmunk children and maybe also such chipmunk-mouse hybrid offspring (after all, they would be more tolerable compared to those mouse-fly mutant mixed offspring because they would have produced two cartoon characters who are both rodents and mammals)
At the same time, we can prevent Dale from leaving the Rescue Rangers program, make him give up his plans regarding the Double-O-Dale-program (making him stay so that the Rescue Rangers program will not be terminated) and at the same time also help Montrey "Monty" Jack in love and get him to marry himself Actress Desiree D'alluree' (especially if the girl had real romantic feelings for the Actor-Montrey and Montrey too and also puts Dale together with some nice cartoon character girl and Zipper, on the other hand, together with the queen bee, prevents Sweet Pete/Peter Pan from growing up and making him stay the size and age of a little boy, maybe forever, thus preventing him from turning evil, being abandoned on the street and making those awful bootleg-movies and torturing all those other good and innocent cartoon characters for them.
And in this way, things change for the better, and these tragic things and nothing like that happened, and thus, meaning the childhood of the people of the 90s who loved that movie universe and the romance of Chip and Gadget, and in general, meaning all these things that happened in the movie, history changes and so the world is saved!
That is, the same plan as the idea of Emperor Zurg (future Buzz) in the Lightyear movie!
This is like comparing the original star wars trilogy with the disney star wars movies. Okay, maybe Rescue Rangers isn't THAT bad, but still, there's no comparison. Roger Rabbit is a bonafide classic that belongs up there in the top 100 movies of all time. Rescue Rangers is is a decent, but forgettable nostalgia vehicle for kids who grew up in the 90s.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit is still a better movie than this awful film Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers.
Personally I think this movie is decent it’s not close to who framed roger rabbit at all but i don’t think it’s that bad also I’m pretty sure the people who made the movie know it’s not good as who framed roger rabbit and this movie is different compared to who framed roger rabbit despite having the similar premise also it’s probably a good thing we got this adaptation of Chip N Dale rescue rangers because originally in 2014 this movie was going to be like the Alvin and the chipmunks movies but that was scrapped also Disney has been planning to make a film adaptation of Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers for three decades they were even going to make a movie like the DuckTales movie in the early 90s but that was cancelled also there’s a rumor out there that claims there exists a cut of the movie that has Pluto the dog as the villain instead of Peter Pan which would be based on the 1940s and 1950s shorts of Chip N Dale and Pluto which probably explains the “Snoopy ear” in the film also originally the filmmakers wanted Charlie Brown as the villain but it didn’t happen because they weren’t able to get the rights to the character which this movie has some lost media behind it which I find really interesting that the movie could’ve been different than the one we got in the final cut also it’s pretty cool they were able to get the voice actor Charles Fleischer to reprise his role as Roger Rabbit because he hasn’t voiced Roger since 1998 which was The Who Framed Roger Rabbit 2 CGI test
Thanks for sharing the rumours, this is some interesting information. But man I think having Charlie Brown as the villain would be another mean spirited Peter Pan situation, possibly in even worse taste. If you know about the history and later life of Charlie Brown’s original voice actor. With Pluto I’m just glad they didn’t get to bastardized him by putting him in this as the villain. I get Disney is beyond corporate but I really love and respect the animated shorts they did in the 30s, 40s, and 50s and I wouldn’t want the legacy of the artists and animators who made the cartoons disrespected by something made and approved by the company itself. And yeah you could say Chip and Dale and Pete are in this who are classic animated characters in their own right, but I wish they weren’t lol.
Chip n dale is better
Explain yourself 🔪🔪🔪
@adolfopaezdiaz4371 Chipmunks there that's your answer
@@Cruz_Yera oh ok
Um how dare you I loved Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers there are people who also love it according to rotten tomatoes ok and also you honestly never had a brother like Chip is a brother figure to Dale if you did you would like this show why didn't you put a disclaimer that said that this is in your opinion for that move for criticizing a movie people love I give this video a dislike
Don’t kid yourself buddy….REAL CDRR fans would have preferred a REAL,in-universe movie,not a stupid cameo-filled,cash grab Roger Rabbit wanna
You might wanna learn punctuation before you comment something like this lol.
@@AdamAddictL Definitely.
Imagine getting mad at someone for giving their honest criticism smh
MORE than 1 year later & i saw the Chip n Dale movie. It sucked ass & it DIDNT deserve the Emmy for most outstanding tv-movie! It SHOULD have been awarded for an Razzie for worst sequel, remake, spin-off etc. And WHY havent they established the tv-equivalent of Golden Raspberry Awards!?
Rescue Rangers got some positive feedback from guys like Black Nerd so yall are just picky
Most of those reviews were not too long after the movie aired, quite literally first impressions.
Or some people like us have better taste.
@@edman813 Agreed. Plus, nowadays people will get called HATERS for not liking the current thing.