Why Won't Companies Give Feedback After A Job Interview?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2023
- Why won't companies give you feedback after a failed job interview? Job search and interview tips on how to get a job. If you've interviewed and received a rejection or are waiting to hear back on the status of your interview, you may want to know why you weren't selected. But companies are reluctant to give any feedback to job seekers. In this video I break down why and share some job interview tips to help you solicit feedback.
_____________________________________________________________
Get more FREE career resources at www.alifeafterlayoff.com/
Need personalized help with your job search? www.alifeafterlayoff.com/care...
💥 Sign up for my FREE 5-Day Bootcamp for Job Seekers: alifeafterlayoff.ck.page/7735...
Learn how to write a professional quality resume! Check out 🚀 Resume Rocketfuel 🚀
a-life-after-layoff.teachable...
💥 Sign up for my comprehensive course on how to land your dream job:
a-life-after-layoff.teachable...
Learn how to skip the recruiter by Unlocking LinkedIn: a-life-after-layoff.teachable...
_______________________________________________
I've got merch!! Get your witty work mugs here!
a-life-after-layoff.creator-s...
Gear I use to make my videos:
Zoom Audio Recorder: rstyle.me/+us_yPFbfd_ALGlHiNi...
Rode Mic: rstyle.me/+us_yPFbfd_ALGlHiNi...
Mic Preamp booster: rstyle.me/+A_FyK8YyEzy-yboqHS...
Light Stands for desk: rstyle.me/+EDESBbDgoiFXdVeFIr...
Video lighting: rstyle.me/+Svs8aRg7j1rwFH2geo... (I have 4 of these)
Camera (coming soon)
_____________________________________________________
Are you struggling with your job search? Applying for job after job and not getting any interviews? Perhaps you’ve got a few interviews but always seem to get passed over for the job? Or maybe you’re not satisfied with your current career and want a change. Well, you’ve come to the right place.
As a corporate recruiter with over 20 years of experience hiring thousands of employees at all levels into major corporations, I’m going to spill the beans on how to get noticed by recruiters, start getting more interviews, navigate through each step of the hiring process, and ultimately land the dream job you deserve.
But that’s not all - I firmly believe that to truly experience career success, you need to think bigger. Multiple streams of income and budgeting are crucial to forming a layoff-free lifestyle and helping you achieve your goals.
If these are things you’re struggling with, that’s what I specialize in. I’ve got a website called A Life After Layoff. It’s loaded with tips and tricks for getting noticed, interviewed, and hired by your dream company. Make sure you check it out!
I’ve got weekly videos coming at you, so make sure to subscribe. You won’t want to miss a post. Join me as we explore these things, all from an insider’s perspective!
____________________________________________________________________
💥 Sign up for my FREE 5-Day Bootcamp for Job Seekers: alifeafterlayoff.ck.page/7735...
______________________________________________________________________
👉 Join my network!
➤ Facebook Community: / alifeafterlayoff
➤ Linkedin Community: / a-life-after-layoff
➤ Tik Tok Community: / alifeafterlayoff
👉 Connect with Me on LinkedIn: / bryan-creely-a6b26713b
Follow our other channel! / @myracreely
Royalty-Free Music from Bensound 
Хобби
I believe that you are wrong. If giving feedback was a cause of liability, they wouldn't give feedback to employees either. In contrary, recruiters don't give feedback because:
-95% of the time they have no fucking clue anyway
-95% of the time they don't even remember the candidate who asked for feedback
-95% of the recruiters have an inclination for laziness, so writing a paragraph of unique reasoning for each candidate seems too much effort for them.
Hiring manager here.
You’re one the those “hiring managers” I’ve been warning people about on this channel. 😉
@@ALifeAfterLayoff in which way you warn them about?
Or sometime the hiring manager is not giving any real information on why they dont want a candidate so the recruiter is stuck with trying to invent a reason
Last time I checked, 95 x 3 doesn't equal 100, so you definitely are one of those hiring managers! 😂
That sounds very negative and if I was one of your potential employees I would be glad not to be one and try somewhere else.
They just don’t care. Their focus is find the employee they want, not to educate the rejectees.
This. I don't feel bad about it, to be honest. The reason could be a lot of things including them not appreciating my finer points. I know myself and my capabilities well enough to know they missed out.
Exactly. If they send out a letter of explanation, they will get all kinds requests for more information and arguments and bitching. It WOULD be beneficial but few people who are rejected would see it this way.
Many times, the interviews are rigged for the candidate they want. You can tell them apart because they refuse to give feedback. Even worse yet, they refuse to let you answer the interview questions they ask.
He literally went over that it is a liability, not that they don’t care
What Rachel said.
Job interviews are like dating. If you don't hear within a week, they're not that into you.
Really, i had an interview four weeks ago... What do u think😮
You already know
@@seizethemovement9288 did you get the job?
When a company takes so long to respond to candidates after an interview, this is a good sign of what it would be like to work for such a company. I had a company "ghost me" - it didn't bother me, and I didn't bother following up until a representative from the job site asked that I follow-up. I think people shouldn't bother following up, keep moving forward!
Yeah, I had one company ghost me too and then I ended up getting a better job with higher pay and a smaller commute. People need to understand that everything happens for a reason.
I was ghosted by a company after an interview. A VERY SMALL business. A few months later someone else calls me because she saw my resume and invited me for an interview. I said "you literally don't know I came for an interview do you"? Your management/office people are how many? 5 I think. First I was ghosted and haven't heard anything back after the interview, now you are calling with no idea I was even there. No thanks. I'm not interested in such a disorganized mess of a business.
I learned very quickly that if I felt the need to follow up on an interview I recently had that means that I didn't get the job lol
That's exactly how I think about it.
@@keithmarlowe5569 what that is is crazy I’m still in school but I want to intern after I do a core programming class. You dodged a bullet!
To be honest i appreciate it just to be told i was not successful. In most cases nowadays i don’t even get that, i just get ghosted never to be heard from again until a few years later when they beg for you to apply for a role. Common courtesy seems to have gone out of the window sadly and its becoming more and more prevalent.
Ghosting is a problem, about half the companies I applied for ghosted me the other half sent the obligatory rejection template email to me. I have not received any feedback yet.
@@swdist68 Ghosting is a form of cowardice disrespect for other human beings. It shows a lack of integrity on the part of the ghoster. It seems to be the result of the anonimity of the Internet leeching into the respectful ways humans would interact. Although, take it from an old hayseed, employers never had an iota of respect for employees.
correct, just email me, txs but you were not selected, buit dont forget there are a LOT of candidates, so I guess that's why not, the BETTER RECRUITERS ALWAYS DO, thats the people I work with moving forward
I think it's because of multiple reasons: (1) companies don't have the time or incentive to explain to every candidate why they were rejected; (2) it's an uncomfortable conversation to have in general; (3) and probably most significantly, they don't want to expose the company to potential legal exposure should the reason be related to things like age, gender or racial discrimination.
1) money
2) they don't care
3) money
Honestly could have made that a lot simpler.
@@lukesutton4135 Thank you!
That's a bizarre story. The company basically dodged a bullet and had the man had any self-awareness he would have answered his own question. His bad behavior reaffirmed that the hiring team's gut instincts were 100%.
"because they can't be bothered"
This is why we can't have nice things. There is always the one who runs it for everybody.
The one that bothered me was when I was flown in for a job and they sent me an email the next day. Something had to have gone wrong for that quick of a response.
Recruiter: "How do you handle stress?" Job seeker: "At the last job interview, I flew off the handle when they didn't hire me."
One of my best interviews, I thought I had it in the bag. Company called me to let me know I was the runner up and wished me the best of luck.
Employee: "I want the truth!"
Recruiter: "You can't handle the truth!" 😅
And I am so happy that the layoff during pandemic and economy recession was such an eye opener, that no one is truly safe. That includes the recruiters. Imagine seeing recruiters who make a living by half-heartedly guiding the recruitment process and ghosting candidates, all of sudden they grovel and cry because they are unemployed 😂😂
Oh, they began putting out articles about how unprofessional it was for candidates to ghost. They really hate when the shoe is on the other foot.
I just want a timely response, don’t leave me hanging. It’s incredibly unprofessional to “ghost” an interview candidate.
Last summer, I had 2 back-to-back interviews. The first was not my first choice, but they were super professional. The second was a job that I thought I really wanted, and in the end it was less professional and they rejected and then ghosted me. I took the job at company 1 and it's been great!
Sometimes the obvious isn’t the obvious, and you fall into a bed of roses.
Anybody that gets that toxic over the phone -- it's probably a good thing they didn't get picked
Years ago, I got lied to so much after my interviews. I started recording all of my interviews. These interviewers got really angry when I started hammering them on their feedback. They got angry when I asked them if they would like to play back the interview recording. I told them I would be handing over the recordings to any party that wanted to sue them. They shut right up!
I had passed multiple interviews at HEB, all went great. Finally got to the final interview with the GM. We spoke and he made it seem like I was the perfect candidate. Talked about how well I would fit in. He said he would sent me an email with more details on a specific date. When that day came, I didn’t receive the email. I called and no one was able to help. The following day I got the email that said they weren’t going with me 😢 I tried to speak with the boss to get some feedback to see why they didn’t pick me when I was sure I had the job. Called several times and was never able to get an answer
Because lawyers
I feel like what goes through a lot of our heads is an impulsive, self critical attack trying to figure out everything that could have gone wrong:
"WHAT DID I DO WRONG WHAT DID I MESS UP HOW DID I BOMB THIS INTERVIEW IT FELT GREAT!!!"
When the reality is just there was just someone else better.
"Better" is almost always subject to the bias of the hiring panel
I get this question a lot as a recruiter. It definitely puts us in a weird spot - especially when we build relationships with candidates throughout a process.
Awesome video!
I’m 65, and back in the day, there was plenty of ghosting going on, it just didn’t have that label.
If you don’t hear back the same day, or by the next day, consider it a wash, and move on. Trying to find out why you were passed over will go nowhere.
We live in an ever increasing coarse and narcissistic culture. This is SOP now with most employers.
If they don't appear to be excited after the interview, it's likely you're not on the top of their list.
How do you gauge that, esp when you have rather dour, soulless and somewhat emotionless hiring managers?
It is what it is, you have to accept it. That is why getting and appreciating feedback while in the job is a gift.
I work in the software industry and recruiters call me all of the time pressuring me to apply for job openings even though I am not actively looking. For me to apply for a new job, I validate that I have the correct background for the job. Then I review the tech stack the employer uses, write a new resume and corresponding cover letter, research the needs of the employer etc. Additionally, I always write thank you emails after interviews. it’s about eight hours of work for me to go through this entire process per job application, and it generally works; more often than not I am offered the position.
When I am ghosted by a recruiter after all of this work I feel insulted. It’s the least a recruiter can do to let me know that I did not get a position. I don’t need to know the reason for the rejection, but I do need to at least understand where I stand.
I fully agree sir! If they would just notify everyone who was rejected so they can move forward!
Companies don’t care about helping you improve. They only care about filling their jobs. The sooner you figure this out, the better off you’ll be.
Yet they get offended awfully fast when you reject them.
Back in the 90s. I read Hire Me by Patricia Drain and while some of the tips are dated (especially in what to wear), she pointed out something I found really important; you have to do your numbers - she listed how many resumes a recruiter gets, how many they have time to read, how many get interviwed, etc.
It allowed me not to take rejection personally and to learn from the experience; the idea of directly calling an employer and going off on them shows the employer made the right move in not hiring the guy mentioned in the video.
I am at the point I don't care.I have been in the Pharma industry for about over 20 years and I am sick of twisting myself into a pretzel over a job I am either goi g to be laid off from,or the company closes down after a two year period.Done
Because "business" is nothing "personal"....it's all about exploiting others for "professional" gain (i.e. money), "business" is not about contributing or making the world a better place. "business" is about profit and wealth for those who are in "business", not for those who are "external" to the "business". If business considered such "external" factors, we would have a great world, and not a lot of profit / wealth / or "business".
Ha! Brian, that story about the guy who missed out and how badly he reacted indicates that your company dodged a bullet when you decided not to hire him. In days when I was going through interviews, the feedback was sometimes "chemistry" ... well, hopefully I was never rude but it seems people could be very subjective in the old days.
I never ask for feedback, there is no point. When I get a rejection email, I just reply back: "I appreciate your time and consideration, if I can help the company reach its goal, please let me know". One time after one such instances the person they hire didn't work out and they called me and made my an offer. Just suck it up, move on and keep all interactions professional
I personally don't mind it. After an interview I just keep applying; if they want you, they'll call you.
Think of this way. If you asked a girl out and she says no, do you really want her to explain why or would you prefer her to just say I'm not interested and move on?
I miss applying in person , you can meet the manager one on one and have a chance on the spot. Now you get rejected by a software program.
Everything I've heard about how the employment process works is so backwards and stacked against the job seeker. No feedback, trick questions, not talking about salary... how is anyone supposed to learn? Its absolutely absurd and the more I learn the more frustrated and hopeless I feel. Its obvious that it's absolutely hopeless for many people to find a good job. Things need to change...
I love my job, but I believe its important to keep up on your job hunting skills. Having a strong plan B just gives you negotiating skills.
Thank you, Brian. Your videos are so helpful.
I think that in retrospect it is not difficult to figure out what mistakes you did, if you did any.
If you think you did not, and if everything seemed to go well, then it means they found someone they ‘love’ more, someone with more charm or cultural fit or something.
No big deal, just try again. Tell them you are motivated and still open to future opportunities as they come.
That guy's behavior is how you quickly go from "Not this time" to "We will never hire you". But like you said, it's too much risk for a company to give feedback.
That's why don't waste time on multiple interview rounds, unless you are applying for a NASA astronaut job. Now companies are sending out interview evaluation forms to candidates. Reverse of that thing what you described. We got to evaluate recruiting staff. That's really bizarre.
I read from hire managers from the comment section on LinkedIn, and they said they got blasted by a candidate and will never provide feedback ever again. I guess you can’t blame them. I think a alternative feedback is from career coaches and online mock interview sessions to get a feedback.
I really like hearing a recruiter tell me to reach out to them if I accept another offer but know for sure they will not do the same if they find another candidate for the position they need to fill.
Just keep that in mind when you turn down a job offer and the recruiter asks YOU why.
I do tell the recruiters why I reject the offer. We should. So that the employer may offer the next candidate better conditions, and the work-market overall improves.
That’s the worse feeling, waiting hoping, and in your mind your “oh they got approves to do and you dream of crazy money are going to offer” then poof nothing.
I have had feedback (and only from the UK) it's actually a liability issue if you DONT. how do I know they were not being discriminating me. ALL feedback except for one was bang on, usually a question or pont I was weak on, the worst is when they say "the otrher person was a better fit there was nothing wrong with you, they were just a better fit" and that's it HERE in Canada you just get bloody Ghosted, the recruiter ALWAYS ignores you ALWAYS, you get a dear john letter IF YOUR LUCKY otherwise you get nothing. Sucks balls, you just keep on moving
Greetings from Los Angeles, California, Brian!! Great videos!!
My first job at 16yrs old, I interviewed for Ace Hardware. I didn't get a call back after 2 weeks, I left a voice mail for the hiring manager. I said "😢thanks for the opportunity, I'm assuming I wasn't selected for the position. If you could give me some feedback to help me in future interviews, I'd appreciate it." I got a phone call the next day asking if I could come in on the following Monday to pickup my uniform. Worked there for 2yrs. Moral of the story it doesn't hurt to ask and could maybe help you since you🤷♂️. Gotta go in with the proper attitude I guess though.
I just expect to be ghosted, but I always send a follow up email. Interview process can take a few months.
If they ghost, just move on. Waste of time to dwell on it.
Someone else said this previously, but recruiters, typically head hunters that make commission, would just say whatever to keep you interested in the position.
I had one recruiter that told me the final round went great and that I should expect an offer within the week. I never heard back until a month later when I sent an email saying that I received an offer elsewhere. Still didn't have a written offer ready.
Non-commissioned recruiters? They would definitely ghost. I only received feedback from one company's recruiter after I applied to about a hundred jobs.
The important thing is to be self-aware and improve yourself professionally.
I recently got an email (related to an application I sent 3 weeks ago) saying that they're considering other applications for the position, but even if it didn't work out this time, they got my back, meaning I'll be among the first they'll contact for similar positions, so I can expect to hear back from them as soon as possible. That was the nicest rejection email I have ever received (I didn t fit the profile for that position anyway, since I have no experience in that field, only some certifications).
@ghost mall congrats on your employment!
Big problem is rejectees who are ghosted write bad reviews about the company. And once a company has earned a low enough rating, they will miss out on the best candidates in the future.
It is irritating, you are trying to make adjustments and corrections but never get any feedback.
First of all, IF you receive a rejection letter or email you are very lucky: most recruiters will just ghost you. That's unprofessional.
The case you use as an example just prove that the company was right going with candidate B, as candidate A was an idiot.
You should never consider a deal done before signing papers. Sometimes a small detail gives an edge to another candidate, and there's huge value on being a gracious loser. Being grateful for the experience and acting accordingly can keep you on the line for another position on the same company or even the same position in case something goes wrong with the chosen candidate.
BTW, once a recruiter told me that certain company wouldn't send rejection emails to good candidates to keep them hanging on, just in case.
Do your best, wish for the better but keep looking for good opportunities. Never fall in love with a selection process and put all your hopes in it.
The telephone 'interview' is a new thing for me. The emails, telephone tag. It's weird. I had one a few days ago that wanted to call me on Saturday for the 30 minute 'interview'. Did not call me at the appointed time. I waited a few hours and sent an email and she emailed me back 'family emergency' excuse. I sent back hope everything is okay, blah blah blah.. and that I believe, was the end of it. My roommate says, why do you think they are just playing games? Roommate apparently has never been ghosted or played. LOL. All I can say is that it's just a feeling.
It's equally bad to fawn all over me mentally, take me thru three interviews for a general multi hire position, when they have no intent on hiring me for any position. HR frequently interviews and they already have the job assigned to an internal candidate. Sympathy for HR ? Hell no they are SNAKES !
Getting the dreaded email is much more beneficial than slowly left to hang out to dry not knowing what the flying fuck is happening.
_It's better to burn out than fade away_
Whilst it's incredibly tempting to initiate contact with the recruiter/hiring manager etc. if you're waiting, is I always repeat to myself "The ball's in their court". You just never know what's happening in the background, esp best case if they've considered you for further selection, but just going through the churn of things.
The recruiter goes from "you are the next best thing since sliced bread" to totally ghosting you.
Totally had this happen to me ... was very weird as candidate. I ended up getting an explanation which made no sense. They told me I said I "Didn't like Test Driven Development", which I'd never said. I would have rather just been told "We were looking for a better fit" and then I wouldn't have felt misled. I recalled during interview one guy didn't seem to like me and I didn't really like him ... so figured that was prob the real issue ha. Just frustrating when strung along then suddenly cutoff like that ... like best bud to zero interest immediately is really strange and off-putting experience.
I just interviewed for a company, well, a few times. first for one position, this time it was for another one. I had really positive vibes during the interview and I thought for sure I'd get an offer but it went to a local candidate. the person who interviewed me informed me but said I was a "very competitive candidate" and hinted to keep an eye out for additional opportunities coming down the line. I hope I get to work with them, maybe a third time will be a charm! (or I'll get a different job at a different company lol)
Of the very few rejections I've received my feedback was oddly similar most times. Something along the lines of "we decided the commute would be too long." Lol.
This takes me back to when I tried to get into public accounting while I was in college. They claimed to give everyone feedback and acknowledge growth. I applied for internships with them and never got one. When I asked for feedback: One firm said they found people who were a better fit. One campus recruiter said I could call them to talk about. I left them a voicemail and they never called me back. Another campus recruiter recommended that I get some experience and it would help me with getting into public accounting. I got an internship with my university’s accounting office and they all turned me down again. I just stopped seeing the point of asking for feedback because it was never helpful to me.
What if they provide incorrect feedback? That's happened to me. Glad I dodged that mistake.
I had a firm do that to me. I posted a very nasty review on Glassdoor about them. That interviewer called me up and yelled at me. So I emailed his alma mater about his bad behavior. He got even more angry.
This is a reason I record all of my interviews now.
it's unfortunate when someone has to give bad news and it sucks when that person takes it badly but I do feel that if there is constructive feedback to be given, then there is a responsibility to give some of that feedback.
I often find recruiters are also quite reluctant to provide feedback even if I handle the situation professionally. They often also end up ghosting me right now too.
I admit that I clicked on this video thinking the reason that companies don't give feedback is because they don't want to get sued. I hadn't considered the fact that it's human nature to backpedal in that a rejected candidate asks for feedback on why they were rejected and then if they get it they're unable to accept that they may not have been the perfect candidate they thought they were.
Getting your ass sued is the #1 reason why employers don't and won't give your feedback after an interview or set of interviews! Most of the time, they don't have a good reason not to hire you. They try to justify why or why not when they hire someone!
Start a business and you are hired
I see it as a double standard when companies don't offer feedback after failing to get the job, or worse: you get ghosted, but they expect you to give them feedback when you give your notice and then they guilt trip you or gaslight you into being honest and providing constructive feedback.
I don't provide feedback because they don't provide feedback if I'm not hired. This occurs even if no hiring manager informs me of any gaps in technical knowledge, etc.
They don't give you feedback to help you improve as a job seeker, so I don't give them feedback to help them improve their processes. I treat them the same way.
@ghost mall I knew a corporate simp like you would show up eventually. Let me clarify something that is already obvious but you don't seem to understand for some strange reason. The following will be useful for a lot of people, specially younger folks.
It is not about "Entitlement", its about 2 things:
1. Basic courtesy: They made you invest time on their process. so a basic, introductory level of education is to keep all parties involved informed of the current process. And it's distasteful that they made you invest time only to ditch you like nothing when they no longer need you.
2. They enjoy ghosting but dislike receiving the same treatment: If we go by your mindset of "Nobody owes you anything," then companies have ZERO rights to complain when they receive the same treatment that they have managed to normalize over the last decades, yet you see them extremely irritated when a candidate ghosts them. If "Nobody owes you anything," why are they complaining about a trend they started? Once again, there is a double standard.
Honorable mention: Feedback can help you identify the areas in which you need to improve. Obviously, you analyze yourself to find that, but having a second set of eyes is always helpful. Again, if "Nobody owes you anything," why did companies ask for feedback from employees in the form of exit interviews?
Stop defending companies that don't care about you and will ditch you at a moment's notice. If they treat people as disposable, they have no right to complain when they realize that they, too, are disposable. They started the game, and now they must deal with it.
@ghost mall I haven't deleted anything; my response is above, but I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have the attention span to read it.
You seem to be making up stuff, and at this point I consider it a waste of time to engage with someone who is either a troll or a company simp.
You did not even understood what i meant by being a company simp. Once you get back-stabbed by that startup you mentioned, you will understand the true nature of the corporate world.
Have a wonderful day.
This is also why when someone is let go they get locked out and escorted out. People think that’s cruel but it’s not personal it’s for liability purposes
I had one job where the manager decided to give the terminated employee the benefit of the doubt and let her collect her things without being escorted. She then went into the shared drive and started to delete some files. We had to get IT restore the data from the overnight back-ups.
@@lluewhyn yup that’s exactly why companies do what they do. People think it’s “mean” but it’s not personal.
There's one reason only: who's got hired, will get one feedback - hired.
Who doesn't get hired, they don't care fore them.
Just like people who decide breaking up by ghosting - with time, you'll figure it out you don't matter and were left behind.
End of.
What do you think about Amazon calling their employees back to office at least 3 times a week? Really sucks and everyone is upset, seems like a way to get people quit without being laid off.
That's exactly what it is. People don't get unemployment if they quit.
The real purpose behind all the layoffs is the tech industry is attempting to be the role model for all other companies and trying to shock the overall American workforce back into shape, and whip them back into the office. They don't want us having that extra time to work on our houses or lawns, they don't want us having our own headspaces/mindspaces during the workday and they don't want us having the creature comforts at home during lunch time (or even a lunch time for that matter). They certainly don't care about us having extra time with our children.
@ghost mall but Amazon still give their employees so much freedom in their everyday work, nobody ask you what you did with ur time or why u didnt attend this meeting or anything, you have ownership of most things and you always learn no matter how long you have been there, just the return to office annoucement sucks.
I got feed back, once but these were just scores,
Yeah, I've had this problem. I just move on.
Just remembered one feedback I got from job here in Canada, I went for a second interview at the same place a year later, my resume was clear as were my experiences. Thought I had it, I interviewed well, lost it. Asked recruiter, he said, they wanted a multi-lingual person i.e. French. I flipped man, I replied that I had already answered this and last time I was a non-french speaker, my resume and the recruiter both said and knew this. I was annoyed not because I didn't get the job, because it was a waste of my time doing an in-person and they were not going to hire me because I was not a French speaker, sent the recruiter a nasty email, ins far it wasn't rude, but I called out his lack of professionalism.
Oh wow that sounds so frustrating- they should’ve understood that from the beginning. I briefly was a recruiter last yr and knowing for a fact that someone was bilingual would be the first thing I would make a note of while screening applicants to try and get them placed w/ the best job. Also French is super hard to learn, as someone who studied it in college in the US so I totally get you on that too!
This is a great reason to record all interviews.
@@adesuwa9112 txs appreciate your reply ! :)
@@BadStructuralEngineeringFirms I had thought about this as well, but it could be seen as illegal (i.e. wiretapping) ut in this case, it was never spoken about, it was in writing form the very first email wth the recruiter, so I had it in black and white.
The whole bilingual thing is hell if you're trying to get a job in certain parts of Canada
If you ask me (not that you did but I'm telling you my thoughts anyway) it's could be classed as a form of discrimination against non-French speakers.
Not receiving feedback is why I hate the entire process of interviewing. I’m always concerned that I’m repeating the same mistake and it’s the kind of thing that could only be revealed by someone on the other side of the table.
In general the whole process pisses me off because the bar is raised at a high level, but the day to day to is actually mind numbingly pedestrian and mundane. As a high salary white collar worker, there’s too much of a focus on the interview for jobs that sound important but are really just cognitive labor.
Yes, I am salty.
From my point of view, collecting feedback makes no sense. Whether it's an HR or technical interview. There are so many personality types and job types that you can be "that asshole with no skills" in one interview and "that funny, talented guy" in another. Also, in my experience, people sometimes jump to the wrong conclusion from a conversation, or assume you're inexperienced because you're doing something in a different way than they are, and they think that their way is the only right way.
You want feedback from potential employers to see if what you are doing is on the correct path or not, ie do you need to change something, etc. It's great to get your friends, co-workers feedbacks on your resume or Linked In profile but to me it means more to hear from the potential employer. IMO
Friends and co-workers - sure. But sometimes interviewer will not like you and send you stupid feedback only to have reason to reject you. I got that few times in my softwsre engineer career. We should just be carefull, because not every feedback gives you real reason.
@@julianf5182 Most feedback is bullshit reasoning and justification from an employer! I know of many, many, many cases were candidates got rejected in an interview process for the dumbest and most absurd reasons! For instance, I had a friend get rejected for being "too enthusiastic" during the interview. Another, for being "too straightforward" during the interview. One guy that worked with me at Google got rejected because the hiring manager felt he was being cocky and arrogant during the 5 round interview process. My friend is as humble as you can be! The reasoning and logic of most hiring managers is flawed, in general!
The only feedback I've received in my new job hunting journey is simply that other candidates are more qualified so my interview game isn't the issue its the competition against more stronger candidates
The most important skill for a top tier job candidate is how to properly handle rejection.
Most jobs for mid to senior levels are targeted for people already in the company. So outside candidates are most likely not going to get the position, the company legally has to list it.
I never wonder why. I will get what’s meant for me.
From the sound of you're story, the hiring manager dodged a bullet if that candidate couldn't handle basic feedback.
I dont think I have ever asked a recruiter for feedback. Sometimes the feedback just boils down to subjective opinion like not liking your face or the other candidate appearing to have more confidence or something else equally as silly. At the end of the day, it isn't worth it and one single company is not the be all and end all. I dont care what company it is. My advice: Dont assume you got the offer until you actually get the offer. Just keep moving on. Never put your eggs in one basket. Keep applying to job after job until you get the actual offer. Oh yeah and if you dont hear within a week: No was the answer.
Yupe!! Facts!!
It would be so professional if they would just CONTACT, NOTIFY, EMAIL all candidates who did not get the job when they have decided on an individual. Then everyone can move on and move forward and not focus on that position anymore. Employers will not even contact interviewees.
After a recent job interview at a design firm, they asked me to complete an assignment which took hours. They loved it but now they asked me to a working interview with them. Is that a bad sign?
Liability issues - feedback construed as discriminatory or simply unprofessional
Exactly.
I feel anyone who has made it to multiple levels of a interviewing process deserves every ounce the reason they were rejected. not saying giving every person who applied a reason but at least give the people who made it to the 2nd or more interviews a reason
More corporate doublespeak. All you will get when trying to get honest feedback from large corporations is word salad.
The bottom line is either (A) They have a corporate incentive to place a DEI person in the position or (B) They simply liked someone else better. It’s as simple as that.
They don’t give a tinker’s d*#n about your experience or how well you perform.
If you are confident, know your field, can answer questions in detail, and the panel interviewing you are under 40 or female you will not be considered. They will huddle up before you get out of the building and talk about how you are un-malleable, hard to control, and icky you are. In other words they know that you know more than they do and are intimidated by you.
Having worked for a large company 33 years I can tell you corporate America is the most dysfunctional environment you can live in followed very closely by the federal government.
You speak facts, my friend!! I have seen everything you posted on your comment in my 20+ years of work experience!! If you are in your 40s, 50s and 60s, and the hiring manager/panel interviewing you is a young millennial(s) or Gen Z(s), 9/10 times you aren't getting hired!! They will hate on you for being too experience, too smart and too capable! You will remind them of their dad or mother, which is not good, in their view!
I think the rather lousy truth is that it is so common that it is deemed not just acceptable but de riguer that unsuccessful candidates get ghosted. When the whole industry operates that way it somehow becomes acceptable for individuals to adopt the same standard.
Usually I got the reason for why I was turned down during the interview: after some questions and discussion, the manager would ask if I would accept the position as an unpaid internship rather than at whatever pay and benefits had been advertised on the listing. I would say no, and they would dismiss me immediately. Once I did get a call back from a hiring manager saying not only was I turned down but that I had zero chance in the field, that I should give up, and to never apply to that company again.
Masters degree in engineering, 3.7 GPA + professional certifications.
You got rejected because you have a brain and know how to use it. Your potential superior didnt probably have one .. lol!
Don't take it personally because it ll lead to that situation of hope and devastation. Banks for example call you after few months before you getting hired, so patience and focus my friends.
The story about that one candidate going off about not getting the job was so crazy to me bc when I used to be a recruiter we were never allowed to call/ discuss on the phone with candidates who were rejected. All we would do was mainly send them an email stating that they were not selected. Also someone calling all the HR members in ab org is such a waste of time that could’ve just been used to apply for another job lol
Frankly this is partially on the employers. I had been going from one closed doors to slammed ones left and right for two years twice... Always listening to the same lame excuses about working experience and/or not speaking language X. After hundreds of CVs ending up ghosted and dozens of interviews, where interviewer complimented me for how realistic I was, getting rejected... I would have blown up on someone too. At the time, I was beyond frustrated. I was turning communist for a while... Really, employers need to start looking ahead. Hire more people, if not for that one position, but for another, for which they'll train the new hiree. Stop looking at the next quarter, start looking at the next year. Babyboomers are leaving the labour market and those, who come to replace them are Millenials. the largest generation replaced by the smallest. I don't care, what AI get's invented. There won't be enough bodies to get stuff done and that's just the mass of people. There will be even fewer trained people on top of that!
@ghost mall it isnt just about him, but how job seekers are generally threated
5:17 Emotions = “unprofessional”. This is the state of things. Smh.
Hope he went on to find a company with greater leadership. Not one that hides behind “liability” and corporate lawyers
Lol, that story is fcking crazy. I'm happy I'm not that nuts. I knew I wasn't getting hired for a position I recently interviewed for in my current company. I am planning on leaving them in the next year because, not only am I bitter that they haven't promoted me or given me any other duties outside of my current role, even though I am a top performer in my department, but I really did not want the job they had an opening for: a management position that I would have taken solely for the experience, but I know I'd still be leaving eventually because what I am doing is not for me and not at all fulfilling. However, in the interview process, the director (tells on himself a little too much) was telling me that -- pretty much -- he was worried if people interviewed and didn't get the job, they would become upset, etc. Not sure exactly what he meant by that. Perhaps a scenario like this? I got really upset when I wasn't moved into a position that he said was a lateral move in the company (probably made it a little too apparent, but put my big girl boots on and moved forward), that I totally disagree with - it's a promotion 100% - and I was constantly being baited by my manager with that position. Yet they wound up hiring people who were brand spankin' new over me and others who have been busting their ass in my current position. I don't know what it is they are looking for when it comes to promoting people. I honestly, outside of seeing a ton of nepotism and favoritism, am wholly unsure of what they deem promotion material. It seems they up level people in private. I see a lot of the same last names as those promoted to those who work in the corporate part of the company. This manager position was the only job they had thrown up on the board to allow people to actually apply to and interview for. I believe they already had the candidate in mind, and were doing it for shits and giggles. Either way, I told the director that I'm a big girl and wouldn't make a fuss if I didn't get a position. He was pretty much telling me I wasn't getting it with what he was saying anyway, so I was not surprised. Ultimately, I am sure it's for the best. I shouldn't be doing what I currently am. Miles away from anything I've ever even remotely thought of doing for work. Simply a convenient, WFH job during the pandemic and to get my feet back into working after a long break for personal reasons. I have so much more potential and brain power than it takes to be in my current position. I'm certain me not getting this role--though totally unsurprising--is a total blessing and sign that I cannot get stuck in this department or company. No offense to them. I actually truly enjoy my team and the atmosphere there (also the benefits), and don't exactly look forward to getting another job and having to prove myself so much. It's tough out there. Life is hard!!
Dont care and no time to so so. Same for recruiters too
Never mind getting feedback. Is it too much to ask for a one minute email or phone call to even let you know you're not the one? This is after many hours spent updating a resume, cover letter, long form job application, interview, thank you letter. Really? Is this how companies operate now?
Month 5 now... email is coming any day...
It’s not so much about liability, it’s simply a part of the process that doesn’t give the best ROI for the recruiter/hiring manager. The time it would take to contact everyone would be a massive time suck.
Could a former HR manager be more vague? REALLY.
He summed it up nicely at the end. It's a liability since giving feedback can be misconstrued as discrimination.
I have given feedback, but only during in person interviews (i.e., inappropriate dress, hygeine, etc)
Just a few tick boxes for a set of standard questions would be better than nothing... it would be so helpful. A signed or e-signed release from any liability could be part of the application.
Rejection letter/email????
That's so 20th century. Nowadays companies just ghost you if you're not hired.