Chernobyl Episode 5 'Vichnaya Pamyat' Intertitle Epilogue REACTION!!
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I get chills everytime I see Valery Khodemchuk’s picture and how he is “permanently entombed under Reactor 4”..... messed up
They say even dead bodies take longer to decompose , since radiation also kills all bacteria...
I couldn't imagine the family feelings. no service, no body, breaks my heart also
Its so sad
@bopp9 The zone around reactor 4 is completely unhabitable. Not even small lifeforms can survive under those conditions
@@dualtronix4438 wrong, after new safe confinement radiation lowered 4 times and is safe to visit the reactor.
Fun fact (perhaps not so "fun" considering the situations). Boris Shcherbina served a similar role two years later during another major catastrophe: the devastating 1988 Armenian earthquake -- this one a bit more obvious than Chernobyl on the account of the large number of immediate victims (25k-50k). He again advised seeking international help, and while I don't know how much is owed directly to him, the relief ended up being the largest international effort since WWII.
I hope he was able to realize how much he actually did... I hope the talk between him and Valery was real, even if not exactly like that. It was so true what he said to Boris. It wasn't just the people who had to figure out what had happened and how to stop it from getting any worse... The show did a good job of showing what the system and the sort of people in charge were like. To have everything work like that... And yet end up with a man who actually listened, learned, could set aside his pride, and just do what was right. And who could do all that while actually having the power to do so, and get the scientists and workers the things they needed. Forget lunar rovers... All the liquid nitrogen in the entire Soviet Union, ffs sake. Who else in that government would've let him ask for that and backed him up on it?
@@Knight-Bishop Because it was a centralised system, it was possible for everything to be pulled together by whoever was at the top when absolutely necessary, for leadership to be very decisive in that way, because it was a pyramid and a dictatorship. It was just all the bullshit down through the system that came along with that, slowing everything down for all the less important stuff, the daily life stuff like toothbrushes and deodorant and extra socks, and the tendency for the massive resources available for investment centrally to be frittered away on a growing number of projects that kept taking longer to finish, that local party heads and enterprise chiefs and ministers would come up with to justify a bigger slice of funding.
@@patrickholt2270 The President of the US has pretty similar emergency powers though, they can do pretty much everything Gorbachev did in this series, although in the long term Congress would need to authorize more funding to deal with it.
Boris was MVP. RIP.
Didn't the USSR also have a sub get stuck somewhere in the ocean and they didn't ask for anyone's help until after everyone on the submarine was dead? I remember my mom saying something about how the US had to go and help them retrieve the bodies and the submarine. Idk if this is just mom brain saying things to me tho.
Its a shame that they didnt include the fact that on September 20, 1996, then-Russian president Boris Yeltsin posthumously conferred on Legasov the honorary title of Hero of the Russian Federation, the country's highest honorary title, for the "courage and heroism" shown in his investigation of the disaster.
Yes, that should have been included in the epilogue.
I didn't know that. Thank you very much for posting this.
The most horrible scene was as the 3 technicians looked right into the open core. Their lifespan was reduced to few days within few seconds.
Oui. Vous avez raison
Yes, I always thought it was like they were looking into Hell. Just seeing it was enough to kill you, though they didn't know it yet.
@@dirdib69 they were nuclear scientists, they knew as soon as they saw graphite
I was so concerned that you missed this part in your reaction of this episode! Anyone else? Haha
Same i was like they need to see this part
Me too. I waited for these minuttes since they watched the first episode
becayse they want another vid for more views.....
@@bulmnstr3116 lol no, they can only show 10 minutes of footage from an episode. The credits would have been a significant portion of those 10 minutes meaning they couldnt show as much of the actual episode. So it had to be split up for the time.
here is a video to react too. but u will cry
No dragons. No zombies. No mutans. Only truth.
Not exactly true :) It is extraordinary show, but from the first to the last episode, it's mix of truth, fantasies and lies. But still, awsome show thou. And yes, I remember disaster, I was forced to drink this iodyne shit :)
@@drab2000 This show can't have lies because it's not a documentary. Of course they changed some stuff for drama purposes. One must be seriously mentally impaired to say that TV-series lies. And what's the most important - these changes for drama purposes were not significant ones. Let's say naked miners? So what? What is changed if they did wear underpants? Nothing. But the main things - the lies of Soviet System were shown very well.
@@Zveruidfly Don't call me mentally impaired, pussy! I understand what tv show is, and I dont speak with you. I answered to @varus ez who said that the show is only truth.
drab2000 and he answered to you, what’s the problem? There is always someone with stupid arguments it’s so annoying, similar to the people that says “it’s my opinion if you don’t like it don’t read it ok”
@@Zveruidfly A show or TV show can have lies. Take Braveheart for example, a great film with fantastic characters, drama and battle sequences but very historically inaccurate. To say someone is "Mentally impaired" because they think TV Series lie is madness. TV series are made for profit.
Huge props to Hildur Gudnadottir's score, especially for this sequence
It is not her score in this sequence. It is in fact an Eastern Orthodox church chant for memorial service at funerals. The episode title "Vichnaya Pamyat" (Everlasting Memory) is in fact the name of this chant and it is performed by an actual church choir.
@@juriskrumgolds5810 You’re right, but she actually did the arrangement of the song.
@@juriskrumgolds5810What do the lyrics actually mean though?
Quite all the song just words “everlasting memory”. It is not just 2 words in Russian/Ukrainian, but also a typical phrase in memory of people who died
Chernobyl is truly one of those series that comes along every few years and changes everything. The impact of this cannot be stated enough, it's earned praise from everyone, people who grew up after the disaster, people who lived during it, to even the people heroes who were involved in it themselves.
Charities for Chernobyl victims and sufferers of diseases and cancers that stem from Chernobyl radiation have gained a significant increase in donations. Other countries with reactors of their own have started re-examining their own designs. Tours and visits to the Exclusion Zone have sky-rocketed (though I don't exactly completely consider that a good thing, in my opinion). And the graves of Valery Legasov, Boris Shcherbina, Vasiliy, and more have been covered in flowers.
The Russian government has been fairly negative towards the whole thing. But as Legasov said, "The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants, it doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time."
@Tan Jenner to all of them that deserve it. i highly doubt it was put in just for trump.
For all that concern, *two RBMK reactors* with their tip material changed *still operate in Russia today.*
As for "other countries started re-examining their reactors", yeah NO. That did not happen. Because it was not required. *Countries don't wait for HBO to make TV series before they start taking action.* Current reactor designs are much much safer, and we saw even the design of the non-defective RBMK reactor was very safe. *Every time there is a nuclear accident, no matter how small, its report is made and circulated internationally. All countries look at these reports are periodically review the safety of their reactors.* Even incidents like natural disasters, such as in Fukushima prompted massive comprehensive reviews of reactors all over the world.
*I live in India and we have a lot of reactors here.* I read the reports on safety features of Indian reactors whenever they are updated (since they are building a couple of Indian designed 700MWe PHWR very close to my own home). I can't see a catastrophe developing even if a Magnitude 7 Earthquake hitting that reactor, cutting off all power supplies, even the auxillary. I can't see a terrorist strike managing to damage the reactor. That is how safe modern nuclear reactors are. *Short of a nuke exploding at a precise point above the reactor* (extremely unlikely even during a war with Pakistan or China), *I don't see much danger from the reactor.* Nuke strikes on Indian reactors are implausible because of two reasons:-
1.) Each plant will be protected by at least a battery of Advanced Air Defence (AAD) interceptor missile (18 ready to fire missiles) which have discrimination capability, telling real nukes apart from decoys well before the nuke hits.
2.) Entire region of the plant will be covered by an entire regiment of PDV Mk-I High Altitude Interceptor Missiles ( 36 ready to fire missiles ).
3.) All approaches to all Indian targets will be protected by a mid-course interceptor missile called PDV Mk-II.
4.) Pakistan and China also have reactors and we also have nukes, along with a policy of no-first-use but massive retaliation. Pak and China wouldn't dare to do something when they themselves are vulnerable and Pakistan (the more unstable of the two) doesn't even have a protective missile shield if India starts nuclear retaliation. In fact, Pakistan is too close to India majority of Pakistan's water comes from rivers that are formed in India and then flow to Pakistan after covering some distance in India. If they hit our reactors with nukes, they die as well.
In the event the nuke does go off, though, the fact that the areas around the reactor upto 16 km have been designated as an emergency planning zone. All contingencies have already been planned in, NDRF (National Disaster Response Force) is on standby. The minute disaster strikes (although it won't), they will know the first actions to take without needing any approval or training at that time.
My point is, modern reactors are VERY safe and don't need a TV series to review their security measures.
I guess they mean that the public is thinking more about nuclear power plants and corruption.
After watching this series, it took me awhile to sleep well. Such short series, yet the impact was real. To Legaslov, to Boris, to all those braves souls that gave their souls and life to save the World. Thank you.
The new confinement structure was designed for only 100 years because it is designed to allow to dismantle the reactor building.From 1986 the technology went much forward and now we can construct robots that will be able to withstand super high level of radiation. The new structure was build to be hermetically so no radioactive dust particles will get out when they will start to dismantle the building and the reactor. Inside of it there are cranes and remote control arms as well as robots that will allow to, dismantle a lot of things bit by bit, transport it in lead containers and finally bury it deep underground under concrete cover. There are things that we still won't be able to dismantle (like for eg. the remains of the reactor core) and those will stay inside of the confinement structure untill we will figureout how to dismantle and get rid of them. The whole operation will take decades, it is said that it may even take over 100 years. Over 28 countries joined and funded the construction, it is truly an effort of all mankind
In addition, because of the logarithmic rate of nuclear decay, in 100 years the radiation danger will be very significantly reduced. It won't be anywhere near halfway reduced, but it will still be a very marked decrease.
The mathish explanation: If you have 1,000 atoms, by the end of one half-life you'll have 500 atoms, but by the end of the second you'll have 250 atoms. So the average rate of loss for the first half-life is 500 atoms per half-life, but the rate for the second is only 250 atoms per half-life, and the rate slows and slows and slows. What that means is that during the first hundred years, the rate of decay will be at its highest, and the radiation at the end of that first 100 years will have dropped significantly.
The hard math: coming when I've gone to bed and can think straight.
They say complete cleanup of the disaster could take hundreds or even over 1000 years, and we will have to build new confinement structures over it for this whole period. The Empire State Building will be gone, the Burj Khalifa will be gone, the Petronas Towers will be gone, but the Chernobyl confinement will remain in some form. It's like the Industrial Age's equivalent of an Egyptian pyramid, only in true disposable-economy fashion of our times we have to "upgrade" the pyramid every 100 years. Possibly the only lasting legacy of our time.
The Confinement Structure has a 55 ton crane and 3 sub cranes 5-25 ton. with the ultimate goal of removing the fuel from Chernobyl and this includes the reactor core (whats left of it). its a true feat of engineering.
@@LauraSti Still, plutonium's half-life, as Dr Legasov said, is 24,000 years. It'll be nowhere near half in 100 years.
@@CST1992 as I understand it, the shorter the half life of a radionuclide, the faster it decays and the more radioactivity it gives off at any one time. They were much more concerned about the spread of cesium-137, which has a half life of about 30 years
This goes to show that human beings are their own worst enemy
And their only hope.
Or it shows that some people create disaster and others have to solve it
@@Itisdone0 it wasnt just "some people"... humanity as whole has this drive to push everything to the limit and sometimes whe dont realize how dangerous our ambitions could be...
Mirror of Society thers no great evil, no god who wants to punished us, no advanced civilization....
Theres only us
You compare how it is now to how it was then and you’d be grateful to live in today’s society of people
One of my uncles was sent there. His job was to dig up the top layer of dirt. My mom still has letters he sent from Chernobyl. I think he spent 5 months there. His lungs were messed up and he had burns on his legs. He died in 2003 at age 47. They say he had a really healthy heart and that’s why he lived that long.
They were going to take his brother as well but their mom talked them out of it (he was her youngest and just got married and his wife was pregnant). Unfortunately he died a year after the one that did go from a brain aneurysm.
Their oldest brother was volunteering to go but he was disabled because he took a hard hit to the head in a motorcycle accident 12 years prior.
Your uncle is a hero my friend. Like the many who helped to contain that catastrophe. May he Rest In Peace .
your uncle was a true hero. pls tell him "thank you" from a fellow european for his bravery when you visit his site next time.
According to Jared Harris, when he studied about Legasov's life and what he was like, Legasov had more of a personality like Scherbina's (Stellan Skarsgard's character); stubborn with a lot of bravado, in addition to his intelligence. Harris, director Johan Renck and writer/showrunner Craig Mazin decided that having two of the same personality wouldn't work for the story. So it was decided that Harris play him as this much more gentle, reserved kind of character to balance out the relationship between the two.
Legasov also had a family...
Lyudmilla's story is one of sorrow and tragedy. While she does live with her son in Kiev (though they were relocated to Poland since this documentary), they both apparently have severe health problems. She was the subject of a Swedish documentary called "Lyudmilla from Chernobyl" and her story was included in the books "Voices of Chernobyl," a collective memoir of the stories collected from survivors of the disaster. Vasily Ignatenko was posthumously awarded the title "Hero of the Soviet Union." Though...what good is such an honor from a nation that has none?
I don't know what you saw but... a nation is made of their citizens and amongst them i saw tons of honor in this series.
That reveal about Khomyuk being a representation for a bunch of scientists was very impressive. Mazin explains in the podcast that there were more parts of the story that needed to be bent a little to fit a watchable narrative. For instance, how the trial was actually very long and boring.
It's such a great insight into the work these writers do, to finely balance making a gripping show and sticking to the truth as much as possible.
Amazing show, it can't be said enough.
A masterpiece of a show. And such an important one. They should show this to students in secondary school.
I recommend the podcast to everyone who watched this, the creator really is transparent about what he changed and why, it’s very very interesting. It’s the Official Chernobyl Podcast.
I loved the creation of Khomyuk's character, it makes perfect sense from a storytelling perspective to do that because it made us feel something for the character, they couldn't have achieved that with a hundred different characters all contributing one piece of info and disappearing.
i think trial was way off road for the show,.. reproduction of Vienna conference may be much better.
I've been on a jury before. Yeah... Hands down the most boring experience of my life. So I can understand why movies and shows try to shorten it and spice it up. If they had shown an actual trial proceeding it would have basically killed the series by having it end on such a boring note.
The bridge of death moment nearly stopped my heart
Hit hard.
@a nissan The show doesn't state it either, they say it has been reported.
I wouldn't remotely be surprised if it's chernoybl tours that started calling it "the bridge of death". It doesn't seem to be used colloquially.
@@OriginalRAB it has been called that for years
@@alex_gaimar yes. But by whom? Like I said, The term doesn't seem to be one colloquially used.
“It is in your nature to destroy yourselves”
-T-800 from Terminator 2: Judgement Day.
Major drag, huh... 😔
reading the opening lines of legasov suicide I realized. Legasov died containing a disaster and then gave up his life to ensure it doesn't happen again. Dying two times to save humanity.
Every time I see this epilogue, only one line seems fitting, and of course it's Tolkien's:
Hail the victorious dead.
Amen to that.
My girlfriend and I cried soo much during the last couple of minutes ...I'm surprised Nikki was so calmly
what man are you if u cry with your girlfriend ? xD
@@bulmnstr3116 It is no laughing matter.
@@bulmnstr3116 A human being?
@@bulmnstr3116 you really gonna act tough in front of your own girlfriend? then it kinda the whole point of having a GF
@@bulmnstr3116 TF dude? Men are humans too. Not some superheros. They feel the same emotion, can be broken etc. You have some complexes that you write this kind of bs on the internet or what?
the song in the background says "vichnaya pamyat", meaning "memory eternal", that is, i've been told, a common thing to say at a russian funeral... very powerfull, i think...
It's a Ukrainian saying not russian. It does mean eternal memory and its always sung at Ukrainian funerals. Chernobyl was is Ukraine
About the 100 years of the New Confinement Building
Structures rarely last more than 100 years before becoming structurally inefficient. This is one of the longer life designs of a structure used in engineering.
It’s not that it will only last 100 years and then fall apart, it’s that it will be structurally sound for up to 100 years before needing heavy repairs.
My understanding is they also have remote controlled cranes for the eventual dismantlement of the core.
And this structure will keep radioactivity emitted from the reactor at least for 100 years.
Its not a permanent structure, its a temporary structure to contain and aid the dismantling of the reactor inside. In theory by the time the structure becomes unstable the reactor will be long gone.
@@voiceofraisin3778 We shouldn't except things going that well, since the building of this new containment building was facing financial issues all the times already. Ukraine isn't in position to deal with this heritage on it's own today, and I'm pretty sure it won't be much easier 100 years later for them. I highly doubt they could decontaminate the site by that time.
@@jbwebster then a new one will be built, if not by ukraine then by the eu. no need to worry.
Hello from Ukraine, than'x for your reaction. :)
Now it's the USA suffering an epic USSR type collapse under mismanagement
The thing is that after Chernobyl in 1988 there was an earthquake in Armenia and Boris Sherbina when straight there to help people , every day he suffered from Radiation which he got from Chernobyl but stayed till the end , the thing is that it s the same as he told in the film, "cause you must" ,
HEROIC person!!
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Why lie? It's simple. Even today, they do not want to claim responsibility for flaws that could have been easily fixed for a little extra money.
There is a documentary on Netflix (believe Nova did it) that documents the new containment structure and it's purpose and what will happen after 100 years.
NOVA: Building Chernobyl's Megatomb
I watched this, it's really good 👍
You want another "fun" fact that they didn't mention in this?
the other reactions at chernobyl were STILL BEING USED and people regularly went to work at Chernobyl until it was closed...in 2002!
Wow, I noticed they mentioned it offhand a couple times in the series (about the other reactors still running) but I can't believe they stayed open that long afterward. I guess I thought it was a stopgap power problem until they increased the production elsewhere.
Well, that does make sense; the only reason Chernobyl exploded was sheer human arrogance. After people knew exactly what NOT to do, there wouldn't be a problem and people still needed power in their homes. The only thing that surprises me is that the reactors are fairly close together, which means that they would still be contaminated, even to a lesser degree.
I am not surprise buy that, Three Mile Island, which is home of the US worst nuclear accident, still operated until 2020.
Buddy, hate to tell you this, but people still work there to this day. It's being decommissioned at this point, but 7000 people still work there.
I loved that they did this at the end. Getting some clarifications and post event details was very informative. The cost of this disaster was staggering. Though it was also nice to see that thigs turned out well for a few people.
did you know that the Chernobyl NPP worked until 2000?
And have a second accident in 1992 with complete destruction of reactor 2 turbine hall.
Watching this scene made me realise why this series has received so much praise and all the 10/10 IMDB reviews.
A masterpiece. RIP to all those who suffered for us all.
I highly recommend watching the documentary Building Chernobyl's Megatomb currently on Netflix. It's really good and makes for an excellent followup to this show.
Yes, I posted this twice. ;)
everyone should also watch the interview with Dyatlov in 1994.
Fucken Dyatlov lol
In fact, there are giant cranes inside the new confinement. They`re actually planning to dismantle the original confinement underneath it as well as the whole reactor and of course get rid of the molten fuel inside. So in 100 years, there might not be the need for a new confinement anymore... but time will tell.
And all that crap? Where are they going to plow it under?
@@whattheflyingfuck... most likely, in a safe confinement underground somewhere else, like most nuclear waste
The big thing is getting it away from large sources of groundwater it could affect in the event of a breach. Part of the problem of moving it is that the "lava" that they talked about is still not only insanely radioactive up close, and is actually still hot enough to be elastic; the center of any thick bits of it might still be molten thanks to the heat that the radioactivity can maintain so long after it originally melted. Because of the material that formed on the outside of the lava versus the inside... If the crust gets cracks and the inside is still hot, it means the inner material was still quite reactive compared to the outside, and exposing it could start to release even more radiation than it was giving off when sitting in place. So they have to move something where its physical instability could unleash its nuclear instability if not moved perfectly, and may need shielding stronger than the external readings let on.
@@Knight-Bishop they need a huge lava resistant spoon for that xD
"What happens after a 100 years" as of today it is still very active and 'hot'. So they will need to keep on taking measures until it decayed enough. So for the next 20.000 years, this will be a problem. Unless someone thinks of something to remove or encapsulate it. Good chance humans will be long gone by then...
i've never fallen in love with a character so hard and so quickly like I fell for Lyudmilla. I can't believe what she went through. I can't even FATHOM what that was like. Out of all the artistic liberties they took on the show, her story was presented exactly as she described it, with almost nothing changed. I can't believe she survived it, AND had a son. nothing but love for her.
Sadly, the son had nothing but misery his whole life. He had severe problems growing up and developing. He's in his late 20s and still collecting disability. Its not all rainbows as the ending makes it sound for her.
To be fair, most of it was her own damn fault in the show and it was really hard for me to feel any sympathy for someone who just ignored all warnings after being told repeatedly how dangerous it was and how she couldn't touch him or get near him
@@DarkTider you can't be blamed for feeling like that. she absolutely should've listened to the nurses. oddly enough, the way radiation is shown in the show isn't totally factual (as she would've been more dangerous to HIM than other way round near the end), she still absorbed a good amount of the stuff.
@@DarkTider here's the problem: The show wasnt true to life at all when it comes to the characters. Pretty much none were accurate. Lyudmilla was in the hospital for a long time, not as a clingy over emotional wife, but actually took car
e of her husband and all the other fire fighters and other civilians affected by radiation, because the hospital was shortstaffed and many didnt want to treat them out of fear.
Such an unbelievable tale but true. Jared Harris was so good in this. You should watch “The Terror” with him in it. It also has the man who played the fireman and Tobias Menzies( Edmure Tully from GoT)
And Ciarán Hinds who played Mance Rayder.
I fully support your suggestion.
I made the same on the main reaction.
yes, the terror is good
Loved him as Layne Price in Mad Men.
He also played Moriarty in the 2nd Sherlock Holmes movie :)
He was great in "The Terror."
The three divers literally walked through the valley of the shadow of death, willing to sacrifice themselves to save millions of people they had never met, and God not only spared them but protected them in the darkness.
And they looked death straight in the eye and said "I will fear no evil for I'm the baddest, most unforgiving motherfucker in the goddamn valley"
Chernobyl showed the worst and greatest of humanity. It’s a true finest hour in humanity. This series perfectly did it, they made it terrifying, entertaining, and interesting while still being respectful. And these credits were the perfect way to end it.
In Europe we still learn about the accident. But still not enough. It has to be shown that every great technology is bound for failure if the men handling it are corrupted.
I think nuclear energy is safe. But only as long as the highest safety standarts are kept 110% of the time. I think we have a great case study on our hands on what happens otherwise.
I also recommend the NEA's report on chernobyl. They updated in 2002, and they laid a focus on the effects of the accident.
I love it when media based on real events credits the ACTUAL source material--specifically, the photographs of the deceased, and what happened to them.
The sad situation of the reason why the dome is supposed to last a hundred years is because there is not currently away discovered to completely clean up and get rid of radioactive material. They hope that the technology will be advanced enough in 100 years that they would be able to clean it up. The safe confinement is there to protect the world because the concrete sarcophagus is deteriorating in about to collapse
The epilogue made me cry hard when i first watched it to see the real people what they all went through and sacrificed it was a beautiful way to remember them the music played during it is unbelievably haunting and beautiful "in memory of those who suffered and sacrificed"
Truth is a damn scary monster :]
Chernobyl from 1986 to 2005 2,405,890 passed away people+ the war in Ukraine 2014/2019 disabled people will receive cash assistance of 60 dollars is very little I live in Ukraine
@@WATSONMUTH I have no money
@@Сашадуб-ц3у Tens of thousands of your fellow citizens annually leave the country for the sake of earnings, and you complain that you have no money. Lazy ass.
@@Wrh40k you need money for travel. the ones leaving it are not the poorest.
Саша, а война между кем? Крым был взят за 3 дня. Проблем особых не возникло. Иначе через пару лет, на полуострове были бы размещены базы нато.
@@МихаилРожков-о2ш наслушались экспердов про свои базы НАТО... Уже 5 лет прошло, а у границ России под Харьковом, киевом, Мариуполем базами и не пахнет.
Chernobyl takes lives still to this day. The cancer and psychological pain have echoed through generations. Eternal memory, Вічная Пам'ять (Vichnaya Pamyat) an appropriate hymn.
I/we get so consumed with life and our personal problems and this mini series reminds me that we are all human. It doesn't matter what country you are from but that governments lie, cheat and steal. Human race is human race and in some way I need this series to remind me of that. God Bless the living and the departed.
This comment will probably get lost, but here is a real story from a small country, that was not part of the Soviet Union, but was basically governed by it.
In 1977, there was a very strong earthquake, which razed 60 buildings in one city, including a students dorm. Around 140 people died as a result.
The media avoided it and hid it so well, that the only way you would know about it was if you knew someone from the affected area. Those kinds of cover-ups happened all the time.
The messed part about this cover-up is, that this was an unavoidable natural disaster. Imagine if it was regarding a nuclear disaster, that was caused by a combination of human error and technical issues with something so heavily classified as nuclear energy production?
The Soviets desperately wanted to paint the world their citizens lived in as perfect. There was barely a place for any bad news of any sorts. People had to believe that the machine is working, unlike the "rotten capitalistic west" (those are propaganda words that I am citing 1 to 1). If you for a second believe this mini-series to be an "American propaganda", you can ask anyone that has lived in a country, governed by the Soviet Union. They will tell you the same thing.
I'm finished with Voices From Chernobyl. I just can't even find the right words to express how I feel. Sympathy, and anger that their government treated them as disposable. I just can't.......its such a messed up situation that innocent people are still reaping the effects 33 years later. The wife's who tragically lost their husbands, the children being born with defects and health issues. So many emotions I'm destroyed
Without the heroic sacrifices of the brave men and women who fought with their lives on their lines to prevent the disaster from becoming more disastrous, most of Europa and even my country would have been screwed. There are even some parts in northern Sweden where you are advised not to eat mushrooms and stuff from the fallout of Chernobyl.
Big respect to everyone. Thank you Ukrayina.
In some parts of Bavaria in Germany and other places in southern germany and austria it's still the same. My father is actually an expert in the field of mushrooms, that's kind of how I learned about this as a child. Mushrooms are fantastic at drawing the radiation our of the ground because of their vast sponge-line network underground, and all of that gets conentrated into the fruit, the actual thing we consider the mushroom we eat. That's why they're still dangerous to eat in certain areas so long after the fact.
Actually not only Ukraine people did that. There was people from entire USSR.
There are about two hundred people who quietly returned to the exclusion zone and live there, mostly elderly couples. They are quietly given support. The ASPCA monitors dogs and cats in the zone and some have finally shown low enough radiation to be taken out of the zone for adoption. In truth, the actual story is much more complex than could possibly be dramatized in a mere five hours. For example, despite all the work by those miners the radioactive core never got deep enough to need the machine they put in place. And the central character? He had a family.
Maybe one day we'll get something similar about Covid and China.
Truth can be scarier than any horror movie could hope to be... Thank you to every hero who helped save the world from Chernobyl.
There's a good video about a guy who takes a geiger counter down into the basement of the pripyat hospital to measure the firefighters clothes that are still down there. It's called inside chernobyl radioactive basement pripyat hospital by OnTourWithGerrit. It's mind-blowing how ridiculously radioactive those clothes still are.
The hospital basement where the firemen's clothes are is still there and is considered one of the most radioactively dangerous places on the planet.
Miracles really do exist after hearing about Lyudmilla having a son and three divers surviving hospitalization.
The real miracle is this series coming along raising awareness for all of these people and the increase in international donations, because, unfortunately, people like Lyudmilla's son whom is plagued with health issues due to his mother exposure to radiation has never gotten a cent of financial support from the soviet/russian government in 3 decades...
@@sirsecular1277 Except that part is fake. The men themselves weren't radioactive. That's simply not how radiation sickness works. I recommend looking up an interview a woman who worked there says about the show. I can't remember the woman's name but there is a video of her reacting to bit of the show and talking about what actually happened.
I fucking cried like a baby during this scene.
Lots of my parent's friends were send to the Chernobyl, lots of my friend's parents were either from Pripyat or were sent to the liquidations of this disaster and this scene just ripped me apart.
Vichnaya Pamyat - from Ukrainian mean "Everlasting Memory".
The fact that the firefighters clothing remains there a memorial frozen in time
If only. Place has been looted (yes, honestly) and gear has gone missing (photos of part of the firefighter gear in the hospital lobby instead of the basement was floating around on the net, and now it's not even in the lobby anymore so someone took it). After some idiots start to sneak in bicycles to bike around in the basement levels the government of Ukraine dumped sand in the staircase to seal it permanently.
@@Thedutchjelle i hear about that total disrespect
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After a 100 years it will be need to built new sarcophagus as a protection from open core radiation. The core is still there and still "working",still heat,still radiation. Can not be shot down,can not be stopped, can not be extinguish,can not be switched off... Can be covered only.
Thousands of years from now, long after the memory of the USSR, Ukraine, Belarus, and every other country currently in existence has become nothing more than lines in a textbook of ancient history...people will still be needing to build and maintain containment structures over the remains of Chernobyl.
That's why I prefer to tell the truth over telling lies because as Jon Snow said words no longer hold meaning when so many lies are being told. Some folks are concerned that the lie would be better than the truth when it's the other way around.
I remember the way I felt vividly after watching this. I was sad. I was thankful for all these people and their sacrifices and I was also really pissed off. My fiance was on the couch, hands over her mouth crying and I was pacing back and forth mumbling "fucking idiots" under my breath. This is one of best mini series Ive ever seen.
The USSR was created to preserve the effort of common workers who work without classic supervision by wealthy overlords. However it was not long before authoritarian leaders took charge.
This must have been the most heartbreaking series I've ever seen
100 years because nothing lasts forever and they are working toward decommissioning the plant and hopefully fixing everything before we have to wait 50000 years to use that area again. We do have means of disposing of nuclear material. If we can disassemble everything slowly & safely.
BTW thanks to the international community & effort from Romania.
Yep just like Runit Dome in Marshall Islands right? hehe 😉
@@6oLsh0i6o0z3 Nothing like the Marshall Islands, the Marshall Islands is not being decommissioned obviously.
@@krashd I'm refering to his, _"We do have means of disposing of nuclear material"_ comment.
Oh thank god you did cover the end credits footage after all! I'm in floods of tears all over again. Such a powerful series that sadly still holds great relevance in todays political landscape.
“The heroes of Chernobyl pay respects please”
Aleksandr Akimov - Unit 4 Shift Leader
Yuri Y. Badaev - SKALA Operator
Anatoly I. Baranov - Electrical Engineer
Nikolai S. Bondarenko - Oxygen,Nitrogen Supplier
Vitaly I. Borets - Block Shift Leader
Vyacheslav S. Brazhnik - Senior Turbine Operator
Viktor Bryukhanov - Plant Director
Vladimir A. Chugunov - Deputy Director
Razim I. Davletbayev - Deputy Head Of Reactor 4
Viktor M. Degtyarenko - Operator
G. A. Dik - Operator
M. A. Elshin - Thermo Operator
Nikolai M. Fomin - Chief Engineer
Sergei N. Gazin - Turbo Generator Engineer
Mihail Golovnenko - Firefighter
Vasily I. Ignatenko - Firefighter
Yakaterina A. Ivanenko - Police Guard
Aleksander A. Kavunets - Turbine Repair Chief
Grigori M. Khmel - Firefighter
Valery I. Khodemchuk - Main Pumps
Viktor M. Kibenok - Firefighter
Igor Kirschenbaum - Turbine Operator
Yuri I. Konoval - Electrician
A. P. Kovalenko - Reactor 4 Supervisor
Aleksandr H. Kudryavtsev - SIUR Trainee
A. A. Kukhar - Chief of Electrical Lab
Anatoly K. Kurguz - Operator
Nikolai G. Kuryavchenko - SKALA Computer Operator
Aleksandr G. Lelechenko - Deputy Chief of Electrical Shop
Viktor I. Lopatyuk - Electrician
Klavdia I. Luzganova - Police Guard
G. V. Lysyuk - Electrician Engineer
Gennady P. Metlenko - Senior Electrical Engineer
Aleksandr A. Nekhaev - Diver to open valves
Oleksandr V. Novyk - Turbine Inspector
Ivan L. Orlov - Physicist
Kostyantyn H. Perchuk - Turbine Operator
Valery I. Perevozchenko - Foreman
Aleksandr Petrovsky - Firefighter
Georgi I. Popov - Vibration Specialist
Vladimir Pravik - Firefighter
V. A. Prishchepa - Firefighter
Viktor V. Proskuryakov - SUIR Trainee
Boris V. Rogozhkin - Block Shift Leader
Aleksei V. Rysin - Turbine Operator
Volodomyr I. Savenkov - Vibration Specialist
Anatoly I. Shapovalov - Electrician
Vladimir N. Shashenok - Auto Systems Adjuster
Anatoly V. Shlelyayn - SKALA Computer Operator
Anatoly A. Sitnikov - Deputy Chief Engineer
Viktor G. Smagin - Shift Foreman
Boris Stolyarchuk - Senior Control Engineer
Leonid Telyatnikov - Firefighter
Volodymyr I. Tishchura - Firefighter
Nikolai I. Titenok - Firefighter
Petr Tolstiakov - Firefighter
Leonid F. Toptunov - SIUR Senior Engineer
Yuri Tregub - Shift Leader
Arkady G. Uskov - Reactor Operator
Mykola V. Vashchuk - Firefighter
V. F. Verkhovod - SKALA Computer Operator
Yuri A. Vershynin - Turbine Inspector
Aleksandr Yuvchenko - Senior Mechanic
whenever someone starts preaching about communism, show them this. The worst part wasn't Chernobyl but the silence.
I’ve made almost the same exact comment on this before. You’re right.
This is why God will destroyed mankind and the world not by water but by fire because of ours EVIL sin's for ways and lies I know it's sad but it's true GOD FORGAVE US FOR WHAT WE BECOME 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Episode three, and this summary... is what floored me the worst. Knew much of it beforehand, as it is a topic we learn a bit about in europe, but there are elements that we just cant fully comprehend and need a visualisation like this series to understand better.
Many nations downplay the 'official' numbers, and its just the way politics and 'save-faces' worked at the time.
I'm just glad they did so much, so relatively fast, but politics did slow it down somewhat.
By the way.... loved your reactions to this.
“Why lie?”
To save face, project strength. To challenge other national superpowers. Vladimir Putin (who is himself ex-KGB) still operates by this prideful mentality.
please react to "Band of brothers..."
Anyone else hoping HBO does a similar style miniseries on the Union Carbide Plant disaster in Bhopal, India? They've shown us the consequences of the USSR's incompetence and cost-cutting; it's only fair that they show the cost of US corporate incompetence and greed next.
Worth noting here that the children educated in Pripyat continue to maintain the plant, since it can't be just abandoned. The people in Pripyat were born and raised to be nuclear engineers. Their misunderstanding of the situation came from the misinformation, not a lack of knowledge of radiation. A man, in his 30s now, works as an engineer there, and explained how when it happened, his mother forbade them from leaving their apartment, and she kept all the windows and doors sealed, because she had a feeling, she just knew something was wrong about that 'fire'.
If you look up the article, "10 Times HBO's 'Chernobyl' Got The Science Wrong," you'll see that babies don't act as radiation sponges to protect mom, that there's no evidence that everyone on "The Bridge of Death" died, and there was no helicopter crash, although pretty much all of the helicopter pilots got radiation sickness, and some of them died. Having said that, people living in Ukraine at the time say the series absolutely got a lot of the details of life living in the USSR: Being afraid to tell bosses the truth, covering things up, fear of the secret police, etc. And in broad outline, the series told the truth about the disaster, although there was no grand courtroom speech publicly condemning the failures of the Soviet system. That wouldn't have happened -- Legasov had a wife and kids in real life, and had to think of them. He did record tapes of what he really thought, though, and in later years, he was highly praised for telling the truth.
All in all, a terrific and thought-provoking series, but, like all dramas, they had to change some facts to fit a storyline. The female scientist is a composite character, and is a nod to all the unsung women scientists in the Soviet Union who were often subjected to a lot of sexism. The series is scorned in Russia, and the narrative there tries to hint that the CIA actually blew up the plant. Which is utterly ridiculous, because the explosion spread radiation all over Western Europe, where our NATO allies live.
The fact is, if the Soviets had spent the extra money to put up containment buildings around all their reactors, as is required in other countries, probably most of the fallout would have been contained inside such a structure. A lot of reactors in other countries have containment buildings that can withstand a jet being flown into them. That wouldn't have remedied the design flaws of the reactor, but it would have helped limit the damage.
Glad you guys did a separate video for this part. It’s soooo sad.
Been waiting for this! Love your reactions to this amazing show and heart breaking history
The death toll is so fake. My grandparents lived in Hungary, where some of the Chernobyl equipment was cleaned and so many people died there too, including my grandfather. In my eyes he was one of the victims of Chernobyl.
To answer the “why lie” question, simply put it, power and authority. An authority is only in power when their image of superiority is kept. Lying keeps that image, thus lying is the go to solution. To the ones in power in an authoritarian regime, Human lives are nothings compare to the image of the regime and the power it holds. Most westerners from countries with a general sense and application of democracy and citizen accountability could not fathom the potential desecration of humanity is like in these authoritarian regimes. Soviet, Communist China, North Korea, all examples of when power comes from a few or one from the top.
You must know that this show is western propaganda. Dyatlov was only a supervisor, he was not allowed to command. However, someone had to be guilty, and it could not be kgb. No armed soldiers were sent against the miners. Many other scenes are also manipulated.
The most aggrieved person is Ludmila Ignatienko.
Greetings
I wish HBO would have included the fate Aleksandr Yuvchenko, aka the guy who held the massive yellow reactor door in Episode 1. He died from Leukemia in 2008 at the age of 47. Such an incredible miracle he survived for that long after getting that fucked up in Episode 1.
Best example of communism boys and girls. Keep going with CHAZ and all of those things and the good old US of A will get there
*if no one’s said it yet* she had her son by a friend of theirs because she still wanted/needed to be a mother, and she got that chance, and those two survived because they’ve saved Europe and more!
Everytime i see Valery Khodemchuk's picture i get chills from the picture
В конце сериала детский церковный хор поет молитву Чернобыльский спас.
What happens after 100 years? They build another one. They have too to avoid the spread of Radiation
i live in the US, the state of Michigan to be exact, where we have
nuclear power plants & where On October 5, 1966 the nuclear power
plant "Fermi 1" suffered a partial fuel meltdown. Two of the 92 fuel
assemblies were partially damaged. According to the United States
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, there was no abnormal radioactivity
released to the environment???
On the one hand, reactor buildings are usually designed for redundant levels of containment.
On the other hand, the US government (especially durring the cold war era, but imcreasingly so again) has been just as dishonest as the Soviet one, and has been caught lying to the US public about levels of radiation it exposed them to (among many other even deliberate atrocities)
Make of that what you will.
If containment isn't broken, how can there be "abnormal radioactivity"?
Not only the facts are tragic but..That music....I have no words the first time I heard the whole show that music made me cry.
Thank you both for these incredible reactions. I know it wasn't easy viewing, but as someone who had a REALLY hard time getting through the show -- although it was worth it! -- I found it so moving to reexperience the show with the two of you, and honestly, sometimes it's a relief nowadays just to see people being compassionate and caring (and Nikki, I was with you on the episode with the pets -- so hard to watch!). Thank you for this.
It's a privilege to know that we've walked on the same earth as these heroes.
This was arguably the best mini series I had ever watched at the time. After seeing those 'ghosts' of men lying in the hospital and hearing the trial testimony I actually had a hard time sleeping for a few days. I even found myself at one time just sitting there staring into space thinking about it.
Thank you for putting this part up :D was sad when I did not see it in part 5 but yeah deserved its own video :(
What happens after 100 years? Check out the Mega tomb documentary to see what is going to happen. It is an amazing project.
Yep. They have been on that temporary evacuation for 35 years now.
When the epilogue is better than the series but the series is AMAZING... you know how good it is
There was a similiar reactor in Ignalina, Lithuania, roughly 670 km from both Stockholm, Sweden and St Petersburg, Russia. The horror if something similar had happened there. It has since been closed.
that might be where the series got filmed
You should see the original footage of the helicopter crash
I was born on may 2nd 1986, the same day the radioactive winds from chernobyl reached us :O
The question that we should all ask ourselves is the following ... Is nuclear energy as safe as we have been led to believe?
As long as everything goes as it should, its very safe. But when things go wrong.. its thousands of years misery
Remember in the Earlier Episode where Legasov tells Shcherbina
''Yes we are staying, and we will be Dead within 5 years''
Tragically, he was right
Also i should point out, the New Safe Confinement ( the arch ) that now sits over the Entombed reactor is not just designed to contain the radiation, but to it will also dismantle the crumbling Sarcophagus and assist in decommissioning what remains of Reactor 4, it will be collected and stored deep underground like all over high level waste. till such a time as it can be made safe. this is why its designed to last 100 years, the theory being that when it needs replacing the job will be done
Watch the documentary on how the new sarcophagus was engineered. It’s fascinating.
Absolutely brilliant and key question by Nikki. What happens in 100 years?
I am so proud I found this channel through this series. Just subscribed and I'm very sure won't be disappointed 😄