@@In-The-Zone half and half because she was taught SO HARD to make everyone fear her, so in one hand she couldnt stop trying to make everyone fear her, but on the other she desperately wanted love from her mom
It's so important to remember that Tai Lee joined up with Azula under duress. Like, when you spend a season and a half with Tai Lee and Mai being Azula's ride-or-die lackeys, it's easy to forget that they're essentially only there because Azula is fucking terrifying.
Exactly. At first Tai Lee declined her offer to join her until she made her paradise (The Circus) a living hell. With Mai, she was bored so she joined willingly. Mai being there likely helped give Tai Lee courage during her time with them so when she saw her betray Azula, it gave her the courage to finally stand up against her.
Yep, both girls were forced into being her support unit. Of course there were something like "Traditions etc etc" with both being from what you can call "Elite Warriors/Bodyguards" lineages that always worked together with Fire Lord dynasty... But both agreed to working with Azula because they were afraid of what she can do to them or their families if they refuse. No wonder they betray Azula - they never were there because of loyalty to her anyway.
something to point out is that azula whas really about to use her lightning agains mai, she goes to the instakill move i think that was it what make ty lee react so fast
And that is why being a leader out of fear is the worst idea ever. Your soldiers will jump ship at the first chance they have, you are more similar to their enemies that a friend.
Props to the warden for actually being willing to die for his record. The balls to tell Azula to her face that you care more for her bro then her is crazy.
It’s easy to forget that when Zuko tried to block even one of Azulas blasts in the 3 way fight in book 2 he was instantly launched into a building and K.O’d. Now with dragon style he’s deflecting them effortlessly. Our boys come a long way
He was also malnourished at the time and probably running on poor sleep. I'd say its more so him coming to terms with himself since we see a clear power increase in the cavern after he had his internal battle and felt focused on getting what he thought he wanted.
I love how the prisoner guy completely forgot his girlfriend and just escaped :D... also, the face Azula makes when Ty Lee betrays her is priceless. She really didn't see that coming.
@@takonaegi2967I feel like, more even than Mai, Ty Lee's betrayal messed up Azula. All this time she has controlled and manipulated people around her, her friends most of all. Now, Mai betraying her was shocking, but at least there was an explanation attached where she made clear that she loved Zuko too much. Okay, that sucks, but is somewhat understandable, she had the hots on him, just increase the fear factor. But Ty Lee? Ty Lee had no stakes in Zuko. And yet she chose Mai over Azula. And I doubt there was any scenario in which Azula saw that happening. This was the first time she was in control of a situation, only to lose said control in an instant. This is like an earthquake to her convictions, which will very soon be followed by Ozai relegating her to a backrole while stealing all of the glory for himself, which is the first time where she realizes she's not different from Zuko in the eyes of her father. Those 2 punches are what drive her to madness in the finale.
@@the_tactician9858 For sure, Mai was the first crack in Azula's wall of confidence and control, but Ty Lee made it big enough so Azula's madness started sipping in. Not to mention what Ty Lee did is she made Azula feel actually helpless and powerless, something that never happened to her. This feeling was scary for Katara, imagine what it done to a control freak as Azula. This was a straw that broke a camel's back and Ozai just speed up the process
Now that we're finally to this episode, I can tell you my personal theory about Mai and Ty Lee. There are three major episodes to keep in mind. Return to Omashu, Zuko Alone, and The Beach. Let's go back to The Beach. Specifically, Mai's speech. In it she mentions how she couldn't speak unless spoken to, had to stay out of trouble and how they had her father's political career to think about. Most people think "controlling mother" and leave it at that, even Azula. But read between the lines there. And think about her father's political career. If her father was in politics that means he had to at least be conscientious of the supreme political figure in the land, the Fire Lord. What do you think would happen if the Fire Lord learned that some bureaucrat's daughter "insulted" his daughter/granddaughter? I don't think being Azula's friend was ever Mai's choice. I think she was forced into it. By Azula and by her own parents. I can almost imagine Mai coming home crying about Azula pushing her into the ground and being told "Hush, dear, we'll buy you a toy if you don't say anything to the Fire Lord's people." We even see a bit of it in Zuko Alone during the flashback. Remember Azula pushed Ty Lee down when she did gymnastics better than Azula and went out of her way to pick on Mai and her crush on Zuko. In Return to Omashu, remember how Azula tormented Ty Lee when she refused to join the mission. Ty Lee ended up giving her sweet Ty Lee interpretation of events, but it's clear she knew Azula wasn't taking the rejection well and she was being forced to join. When they go to meet Mai, one of the first things Mai comments on is how Ty Lee had joined the circus (something Azula apparently didn't know). After Ty Lee explaining that "Azula called a little louder" Mai eagerly joins the mission, arguably because she knew there was no point in resisting. Ty Lee and Mai were never friends with Azula. They each adopted ways to deal with Azula to minimize the bullying. Ty Lee adopted a super happy and complementary persona as Azula had no reason to bully someone who always gave exaggerated praise. Mai adopted a more aloof and nonreactive persona as bullying someone who doesn't react is no fun. And it's even implied more than once that Azula doesn't treat them that great. ("I don't care how much lightning she wants to shoot at me. I am not jumping in that wall sludge juice.") This is why Mai turned on Azula. She had a positive relationship with Zuko as opposed to the dysfunctional one she had with Azula. And Ty Lee when placed in a position where she could watch her friend, who just stood up to Azula, get hurt or even killed, she choose her friend. That's what happened in this scene. Like you said. This show has great character writing.
This is a good analysis it’s even supported by the fact in the beach episode when azula tells Mai to open up about how she feels Mai says “leave me alone” probably what she’s been wanting to say to azula for years
@@infamouse9263 Thank you, but I just realized I forgot one major observation. Which is annoying because it's one of the cornerstones of my theory. When Mai screams "Leave me alone" we can only see her. But a moment later, we get a look at where everyone was at the time. Zuko was to her left, closer to the water. Ty Lee was to her right. And Azula was directly across from her. And where was Mai looking? Directly in front of herself. Mai was screaming at Azula. She expressed herself as everyone said to scream at Azula. It was her true feelings and something she hadn't been able to say for her whole life.
@@infamouse9263 Oh, I know. Just stating that I completely forgot to include it in my original post. Which is annoying as it was realizing that on a repeat viewing that brought me to the theory I posted here.
I think Ty Lee’s betrayal was a spur of the moment thing. It was clear that Azula was about to kill Mai. I think Ty Lee was willing to overlook alot of terrible things that Azula had done but she could not sit back and watch her kill one of her best friends.
Something I noticed the previous episode while watching your reaction was that they actually adress the Warden's willingness to keep his straight no-escapes record even if that means falling to the boiling water (almost word for word) and this episode, he actually commands to cut the gondola's line. Man, props to that guy
I love the Mai scene in this episode, this was "I have enough of your inhumane friendship and quit" scene. There was no loyalty for Azula to begin with there was only patience and when she came after the love of her life it ran out.
14:12 If I had a nickel for every time the Bald tattooed prisoner was actually a nice guy in this show, I would have 4 nickels, which ain't much but it's weird it happened in more than one episode (5 nickels if we also count Aang)
One fan described her capture of the warden as 'Suki hacks the Matrix.' And they have a point; running on heads, scaling sheer metal walls, taking out everyone in her way with barely a pause? Damn.
Another thing I noticed, thanks to Alicia's pause, is that it was the first time we see Azula actually get angry at Mei for betrayal. No her usual mischievous smirk, just pure expression of rage on her face.
That whole scene at the end with Mai, Azula, and Tai Lee is one of, if not my favorite scene in Avatar. They each show off who they are, and what matters to them.
Also a great finally for the whole "not your regular this two thugs" story arc. They were made as a subversion of the stereotype of two henchmen working for Heavy and what better way to end the story then make them say "we leave you" and now my favorite villain meltdown of all time starts. :)
While the rest of this episode is great, the part that always gets me is that they have no idea what that other guy was in the highest security prison in the fire nation for. They’re just like “yeah this is Barry, he’s part of the group now. Just don’t ask about his past or he’ll kill 14 people again”
"Listen we know he's killed more people than the flu but he really helped us out and nobody in the group fits his target profile so really there's no issue."
Azula claims she's a "people person" but then gets pissed and doesn't understand why Mai and Tai Lee turn against her. Doesn't get why Zuko is the way he is. Can't hold a normal conversation with people in general. Yeah... People person
I have to say I LOOOOOVE Ty Lee's betrayal, because it speaks so much about her character She doesnt think much about the big picture, her universe is the world she lives in, her friends, her passion, her feeling and the place she's in at the moment. She never had any problem with any evil mission they were in because she was with her friends and thats the only thing thta matters to her She ONLY "betrayed" Azula cause she knew she was gonna kill/badly hurt Mai, and thats something she cant let happen If Mei was the more powerful one and she was baout to hurt Azula, Ty Lee would have done the same to Mai Of course she knew they had to run immediately cause Azula was not gonna take that, but she didnt have any hate towards her, she just wantwd to prevent one of her friends hurting another
This is the episode that makes me think of how fire bender hands are probably somehow both extremely dry and sweaty during a fight or just like all the time.
I love how much of a real one that muscly guy was. Like, you think based on cliches he’d be a lughead asshole, but in reality he never wavered as a bro, even if he did screw up the escape attempt. Mind considering the prison, there’s also a chance he could be anti-fire nation
Does anybody else wonder what ever happened to Chit Sang after the show ended? Where did he go, what did he do, did he ever reunite with his prison girl?
Excellent, excellent episode - not just the superb fight at the end, where you get to see the group really come into its own, but the fantastic character development. Avatar really has some of the best written characters in media.
I'm a bit late to the party, but that moment when Zuko locks Mai and the guard in the cell to escape, he did, exactly, what she asked of him. He looked her in the eye as he tore her heart out.
With the Azula/Mai thing, it’s not only that she chose Zuko over Azula, but the words used. “I *love* Zuko more than I *fear* you.” Her whole life, she’s been taught that the only reliable way to control people, and make them trustworthy, is to make them fear you. Thus she bases her only friendships (Mai and Ty Lee) on that foundation. They fear her first and foremost. Even if they do care about her, it’s secondary to following her out of fear. Thus, for Mai to admit that she still does fear Azula, but betrayed her anyway, because she *loves* Zuko, throws in her face that her entire way of viewing relationships is wrong. If Mai and Ty Lee still betray her despite fearing her, then that means fear isn’t the best way to establish a relationship. It’s one of the reasons she completely falls apart. She based her entire social viewpoint on that fundamental premise. She can’t get out of it, she breaks down in her hallucinations in the mirror because the Spector of her mother says “you use fear to control people” and Azula tries to reaffirm her taught belief. “Fear is the only reliable way, trust/love is for fools”. But she knows that’s not true, hence why her hallucination says “No, I love you Azula” She can’t handle it, so instead (spoilers for the comics) she constructs a delusion, where instead of facing the fact her social identity was wrong, she believes that her mother secretly made everyone not fear her anymore. That everyone around her is an “agent” of her mother in a sense. Her mother is at the root of all her pathologies. Azula is convinced that her mother did not love her, so it’s one of the reasons she rejects love as weakness and flimsy and not reliable, because her mother neglected her emotionally. It’s a really tragic story. People often forget that Azula is only 14. She’s a child, barely a teenager. Yet she’s had all this enormous pressure to be perfect, and to emulate Ozai. She repressed entire aspects of herself that weren’t in line with Ozai’s image. And it’s heavily implied that Ozai physically abused both children, people only focus on Zuko when talking about it. But there’s no reason to not also assume he did it to Azula as well. She was just better at conforming to Ozai’s image. Frankly, because Azula had no one else. Her mother chose Zuko over her, blatantly. She would lay awake at night, listening to her mother tuck Zuko in, and read him stories. And she’d wait for her to come and do the same for Azula, yet her mother would just walk by her room without even saying goodnight. It’s instances like these that piled up, and made Azula grip onto Ozai for a sense of validation. And the more she did that, the more of Ozai’s immoral nature came out in Azula (as she’s emulating the behaviour that gets her affirmation from her only active parent). And as more Ozai comes out in Azula, the more her mother pulls back and neglects her, and thus the more stringent Azula becomes in being Ozai’s perfect heir. A vicious cycle. Azula had no mother to instil compassion or reward moral behaviours. In fact her mother actively told her she was a monster and basically irredeemable. Zuko got to have Iroh, the literal most wise and patient mentor for three entire years to guide him. Azula was left completely alone with her monster father, moulding her into a perfect weapon, pouring poison into her. Everyone chose Zuko over her. Zuko got so many chances and help. Azula was basically set up to fail. And you can see at the end of the show, her one final thread of being her father’s perfect child is cut. He leaves her behind, and she shots at him for the first time ever. “You can’t treat me like Zuko!” She can’t help but exclaim that. Because how is it fair that she has sacraficed so much, and dealt with all of the things I’ve just listed, and she doesn’t even get the validation and affirmation from her father that she worked for, and the only thing keeping her tethered? Thus she rapidly falls apart as the only foundations of her identity crumble. Thus after the Agni Kai, where she sees Zuko beat her in one of the only things she held on to, her prodigy status over him, she just breaks. Everything is taken from her. In her view, she lost everything and Zuko got it all, while Zuko was the “failure” and she stayed and did everything expected of her. No one came back for her. No one stayed by her. Everyone betrayer or abandoned her, or chose Zuko over her. Yet in canon she’s shipped off to an asylum and drugged and put in restraints 24/7. At 14/15 years old. She was a traumatised, damaged *child* who deserved her family to give her a second chance and help her see what true family is without Ozai being over her. Yet they leave her in that asylum for years. It’s a sad ending. Personally I don’t really like the ending at all, especially as the comics go on in canon. Azula’s fall is a perfect setup for a redemption arc. Azula is such a compelling character as she’s a genius, and a prodigy in fighting/bending. Her whole character is that she’s hyper competent and smart. Seeing her break, but pull herself back up stronger than before, would have been an amazing story. (There’s many great fanfics that do this btw! One amazing one is ‘Azula and The Rings of Accordance’ by the way!) But in canon, they just keep Azula as a complete unhinged psycho who’s only purpose is to help the male character (Zuko) progress. Any true development for Azula is either not a priority in the story or completely left out. It sucks. Azula is by far my favourite character in ATLA. And seeing her go from amazing and compelling to… honestly kind of bad quality, is heartbreaking. Funnily enough, my favourite Korra character is Kuvira, another character I feel like the writers completely bungled.
Hakoda left the protection of the water tribe to sokka when he was 12 because he thought he'd be gone less than year and that sokka was trustworthy enough. He ended up fighting for over 2 years and sokka grew up without him. Hakoda trusts his son's judgement with his life. If sokka told him to jump hakoda would ask how high and do it. So when Sokka tells him the son of the worst enemy Hakoda has ever faced is on their side he accepts it absolutely. Because if Sokka trusts Zuko with his life, then Hakoda will trust Zuko with his life and the lives of 5 other men. Hakoda has no doubts that his son is the smartest person in the world, so why would he doubt anything his son ever says?
12:34 i know im late but man this kind of reaction to azula says so much about how powerful and threatening her existence is as a kid i took a lot of this show for granted and just kind of accepted azula as another villain but looking back her showing up is the equivalent to the colossal titan popping out of no where in episode 4. every scene with her is a roll of dice, you never know what to expect and that's what makes her so intimidating
The details that this show gives (where a lesser show would just overlook) really gives it it's "bite"! Things like, notice how when Zuko used to "angry-firebend" he would grunt & strain? Now that he is doing it differently (thanks to the Dragons), he isn't. In fact, his movements are much calmer & more relaxed. Or during the BEST scene in the series (Mai's confrontation with Azula) notice Azula's hands showed she was going to KILL Mai! (using the LIGHTNING technique!) One of the BEST episodes of the series! With the BEST SURPRISE twist of the entire show! (go Ty Lee!) NO ONE saw THAT coming! Not anyone watching the show, and not anyone IN the show! (look at everyone's expressions) Even Ty Lee was surprised with a "Did I just DO that?" look on her face.
The Warden doesnt get enough props for literally _ordering_ his subordinates to kill him along with the escapees. Dudes an asshole, but _defintely_ a professional. Only other wardens in fiction who holds a candle to him in terms of dedication to the job are Magellan & Hannyabal from One Piece
I get that Mai and Ty Lee would need to face their betrayal some way, but I don’t think they would’ve lost if they tried to fight the guards surrounding them- but still what an ending
Let's get one thing straight: Azula is not "a people person". A people person gets along well with people. They can put you at ease, lift your spirits, or give good advise. Azula is not that. What she is is a manipulator. She knows how people work, what makes them tick. She's the kind of person who can tell in an instant whether somebody is lying or not. That's how she knew that guard wasn't a traitor. But Azula is terrifying. People are never "at ease" with her around. That's why her "friends" betrayed her in the end.
This is the best two-parter of the series. These are probably some of my favorite episodes overall. Mai and Ty Lee GANG!! Also when this was airing in ~2007, a lot of this evil prison shit really rang close to home in America.
Alicia with Hakoda be like: "Sokka's dad is actually pretty rad He's all I want, I’m obsessed just a tad Sokka, can't you see? Your Dad’s just the guy for me I know it might be bad but I'm in love with Sokka's Dad"
Hakoda's lucky he's not a Bender. They'd have something much less humane in store for him. Or possibly an execution by incineration. It's a good thing he won't have to worry about long term incarceration, though he doesn't know that. In fairness, the last time Hakoda saw Sokka was briefly during the invasion, when things were a little chaotic and they didn't spend too much time together. The last time before that was when Sokka hadn't even hit puberty yet and was left behind to watch the village. The Warden is a typical archetype, but he's handled well. Hakoda might also be thinking of how to drive a wedge into the Fire Nation with a civil war. But he trusts that Sokka can vouch for Zuko being on their side for now. Zuko is a traitor in his country's eyes. Of course a loyal by the book guard would want to bad mouth the treasonous ex-prince. Also being able to lord power over someone who could have previously killed a career with an offhand comment is pretty plausible too. I can't entirely blame Mai for being mad. Still, I can't say I envy Zuko being in a prison run by his ex's uncle. I get Zuko leaving a letter because he was in a hurry and explaining why you're leaving all you have behind is not a quick conversation. It's only betrayal if you fail and/or the history books are unflattering. Yeah, that praise for AOT on microexpressions and in general is probably going to age like milk. Nah, the origin of the shapeshifting impostor is more likely John Carpenter's The Thing. A very nasty shapeshifter that can infect and assimilate. The more monstrous stuff in Among Us is in keeping with The Thing. If you go looking, it's a very gory movie. Also, don't watch the Prequel. Mind you, this is all second hand from someone else who actually likes to watch horror movies. To quote one Michael Weston, "when you're the Spy Hunter, the spy is whoever you say it is." Burn Notice was such a fun show. You expected a wrinkle? He she is! "Because I'm a people person." Sure you are. "That's it?" Apparently! They don't have enough cooler cells for all of them! They can't kill them all! WOOOOO! PUNCH THAT GUY WWHO STOLE MY LUNCH INSTEAD OF THE GUARD WHO CLUBBED ME! Suki may not be actual royalty (though Sokka is arguably [penny] prince adjacent as the de facto heir to running the village), but she is awesome. Azula can only make short boosted leaps with her fire. She can't fly proper. As shown by her needing the cuffs to ride the cable. Azula is many terrible things, but I will never deny her talent and power. Azula surprised. I'll just add that one to the file. With Mai helping, this is almost like a distorted double date. And Sokka's dad is the Chaperone. Remember back in the The Drill how Mai would rather risk Azula's anger than getting in the waste pump? Man, I've been waiting eagerly to see your reaction to Azula trying to handle her miscalculations about people and the consequences of strong arming Ty Lee into her squad. Azula was preparing a lightning strike, a kill shot. All of this is going into the "Azula isn't as much as she though she was" file. They left in a war balloon and came back in the much meaner successor. They helped humble and humiliate Azula. They broke the reputation of the Boiling Rock. They brought back 2 capable warriors and field commanders. This was a very successful day. Given that this was Azula's war zeppelin, there's probably some very choice cuts of tasty animals. Rank doth hath privileges. As does looting enemy commanders. And options for petty psy ops. Like taking her spare armors and putting graffiti on them for her to find. Reading any journal entries for intel and mocking....
One thing I'll say, is that I still believe that Tai Lee does actually care about Azula. It just always seemed to me that she attacked Azula there because it was the only way she could see to keep both of them from dying. Well, that, and that she was acting more on instinct than any conscious decision. I mean, you can see the confusion on her face as Azula goes down.
A lot of people hate Cora but I have a feeling you’re gonna like it it’s not as good as the original and Cora definitely starts off rough as a character but once you hit season 3+ it gets really serious
Every now and then Avatar does remember it's supposed to be a kids-show. ^^ Only to immediately go back to grown up story telling once the riot is going. :D
If you really like good character writing you should probably check out The Spectacular Spiderman and Young Justice Shows. Greg Weisman is a pretty goated show runner
If you like this you should check out How to train your dragon It goes the first movie Race to the edge And then the second movie Then the third it all lines up
azula was fairly mercyful here, i dont think its normal to just lock up someone that assaulted a memeber of the imperial family and aided a traitor. seems like someplace like the firenation would normaly have death penalty for that.
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The sad part is that, in Azula’s mind, Mai’s last words to her were exactly how she thought her own mother felt; “I love Zuko more than I fear you”
Well, more so the first half. I don't think Azula really wanted her mom to fear her.
@@In-The-Zone That's the sad thing. Azula thought she did
@@In-The-Zone half and half because she was taught SO HARD to make everyone fear her, so in one hand she couldnt stop trying to make everyone fear her, but on the other she desperately wanted love from her mom
Oooooo, that’s so true though!
I mean, in one of the comics, when Azula asked why people betrayed her, Mai responded, "Because you're a horrible person who deserves it"
It's so important to remember that Tai Lee joined up with Azula under duress. Like, when you spend a season and a half with Tai Lee and Mai being Azula's ride-or-die lackeys, it's easy to forget that they're essentially only there because Azula is fucking terrifying.
Exactly. At first Tai Lee declined her offer to join her until she made her paradise (The Circus) a living hell. With Mai, she was bored so she joined willingly. Mai being there likely helped give Tai Lee courage during her time with them so when she saw her betray Azula, it gave her the courage to finally stand up against her.
Yep, both girls were forced into being her support unit. Of course there were something like "Traditions etc etc" with both being from what you can call "Elite Warriors/Bodyguards" lineages that always worked together with Fire Lord dynasty... But both agreed to working with Azula because they were afraid of what she can do to them or their families if they refuse.
No wonder they betray Azula - they never were there because of loyalty to her anyway.
something to point out is that azula whas really about to use her lightning agains mai, she goes to the instakill move
i think that was it what make ty lee react so fast
And that is why being a leader out of fear is the worst idea ever. Your soldiers will jump ship at the first chance they have, you are more similar to their enemies that a friend.
@@ultrachristian28 Yeah and Ty Lee was willing to take the risk because Mai was an actual friend to her. The two were real friends unlike Azula
Props to the warden for actually being willing to die for his record. The balls to tell Azula to her face that you care more for her bro then her is crazy.
Man’s really willing to go down to keep that clean no prisoners escape slate
I swear that family is born with balls of steel. We're like 3-3 with this whole family.
Looks like him saying he’d rather jump into the boiling lake than lose his record wasn’t just talk
@@chaserred4155 wait who else. It is him, Mai amd who is the third?
@@AugustoEL Remember that baby in Omashu?
It’s easy to forget that when Zuko tried to block even one of Azulas blasts in the 3 way fight in book 2 he was instantly launched into a building and K.O’d. Now with dragon style he’s deflecting them effortlessly.
Our boys come a long way
He was also malnourished at the time and probably running on poor sleep. I'd say its more so him coming to terms with himself since we see a clear power increase in the cavern after he had his internal battle and felt focused on getting what he thought he wanted.
@@In-The-Zone Both? Both. Both is good.
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I love how the prisoner guy completely forgot his girlfriend and just escaped :D... also, the face Azula makes when Ty Lee betrays her is priceless. She really didn't see that coming.
She probebly left him after what happend in the cooler😅
I think that sequence is the first time we see Azula's actual anger, fear and shok
@@takonaegi2967I feel like, more even than Mai, Ty Lee's betrayal messed up Azula. All this time she has controlled and manipulated people around her, her friends most of all.
Now, Mai betraying her was shocking, but at least there was an explanation attached where she made clear that she loved Zuko too much. Okay, that sucks, but is somewhat understandable, she had the hots on him, just increase the fear factor. But Ty Lee? Ty Lee had no stakes in Zuko. And yet she chose Mai over Azula. And I doubt there was any scenario in which Azula saw that happening. This was the first time she was in control of a situation, only to lose said control in an instant. This is like an earthquake to her convictions, which will very soon be followed by Ozai relegating her to a backrole while stealing all of the glory for himself, which is the first time where she realizes she's not different from Zuko in the eyes of her father. Those 2 punches are what drive her to madness in the finale.
@@the_tactician9858 For sure, Mai was the first crack in Azula's wall of confidence and control, but Ty Lee made it big enough so Azula's madness started sipping in.
Not to mention what Ty Lee did is she made Azula feel actually helpless and powerless, something that never happened to her. This feeling was scary for Katara, imagine what it done to a control freak as Azula. This was a straw that broke a camel's back and Ozai just speed up the process
I get the feeling she may have been more of a prison hookup, and his "buddy" was probably just someone Chit Sang owed a favor
Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal is amazingly written
I still think we could’ve used one more scene detailing inner moral conflict that Ty Lee might have felt.
@@bluecoin3771 I can agree, especially for Ty Lee.
@@icaine16yeah but they did it that way for shock value. Giving her time to think would lessen the surprise you know?
Now that we're finally to this episode, I can tell you my personal theory about Mai and Ty Lee.
There are three major episodes to keep in mind. Return to Omashu, Zuko Alone, and The Beach.
Let's go back to The Beach. Specifically, Mai's speech. In it she mentions how she couldn't speak unless spoken to, had to stay out of trouble and how they had her father's political career to think about. Most people think "controlling mother" and leave it at that, even Azula. But read between the lines there. And think about her father's political career. If her father was in politics that means he had to at least be conscientious of the supreme political figure in the land, the Fire Lord. What do you think would happen if the Fire Lord learned that some bureaucrat's daughter "insulted" his daughter/granddaughter?
I don't think being Azula's friend was ever Mai's choice. I think she was forced into it. By Azula and by her own parents. I can almost imagine Mai coming home crying about Azula pushing her into the ground and being told "Hush, dear, we'll buy you a toy if you don't say anything to the Fire Lord's people."
We even see a bit of it in Zuko Alone during the flashback. Remember Azula pushed Ty Lee down when she did gymnastics better than Azula and went out of her way to pick on Mai and her crush on Zuko.
In Return to Omashu, remember how Azula tormented Ty Lee when she refused to join the mission. Ty Lee ended up giving her sweet Ty Lee interpretation of events, but it's clear she knew Azula wasn't taking the rejection well and she was being forced to join. When they go to meet Mai, one of the first things Mai comments on is how Ty Lee had joined the circus (something Azula apparently didn't know). After Ty Lee explaining that "Azula called a little louder" Mai eagerly joins the mission, arguably because she knew there was no point in resisting.
Ty Lee and Mai were never friends with Azula. They each adopted ways to deal with Azula to minimize the bullying. Ty Lee adopted a super happy and complementary persona as Azula had no reason to bully someone who always gave exaggerated praise. Mai adopted a more aloof and nonreactive persona as bullying someone who doesn't react is no fun. And it's even implied more than once that Azula doesn't treat them that great. ("I don't care how much lightning she wants to shoot at me. I am not jumping in that wall sludge juice.")
This is why Mai turned on Azula. She had a positive relationship with Zuko as opposed to the dysfunctional one she had with Azula. And Ty Lee when placed in a position where she could watch her friend, who just stood up to Azula, get hurt or even killed, she choose her friend.
That's what happened in this scene.
Like you said. This show has great character writing.
This is a good analysis it’s even supported by the fact in the beach episode when azula tells Mai to open up about how she feels Mai says “leave me alone” probably what she’s been wanting to say to azula for years
@@infamouse9263 Thank you, but I just realized I forgot one major observation. Which is annoying because it's one of the cornerstones of my theory.
When Mai screams "Leave me alone" we can only see her. But a moment later, we get a look at where everyone was at the time. Zuko was to her left, closer to the water. Ty Lee was to her right. And Azula was directly across from her. And where was Mai looking? Directly in front of herself. Mai was screaming at Azula. She expressed herself as everyone said to scream at Azula. It was her true feelings and something she hadn't been able to say for her whole life.
@@saltyk9869 that’s what I said?
@@infamouse9263 Oh, I know. Just stating that I completely forgot to include it in my original post. Which is annoying as it was realizing that on a repeat viewing that brought me to the theory I posted here.
@@saltyk9869 I mean you can just edit your post
I think Ty Lee’s betrayal was a spur of the moment thing. It was clear that Azula was about to kill Mai. I think Ty Lee was willing to overlook alot of terrible things that Azula had done but she could not sit back and watch her kill one of her best friends.
Something I noticed the previous episode while watching your reaction was that they actually adress the Warden's willingness to keep his straight no-escapes record even if that means falling to the boiling water (almost word for word) and this episode, he actually commands to cut the gondola's line. Man, props to that guy
I love the Mai scene in this episode, this was "I have enough of your inhumane friendship and quit" scene. There was no loyalty for Azula to begin with there was only patience and when she came after the love of her life it ran out.
14:12 If I had a nickel for every time the Bald tattooed prisoner was actually a nice guy in this show, I would have 4 nickels, which ain't much but it's weird it happened in more than one episode (5 nickels if we also count Aang)
Yeah but aang was judged unfairly for something that happened in a past life not his current one so that gets a pass
We always knew that Suki was a badass, but she hit some BIG level ups while off screen. Straight legendary prestige
One fan described her capture of the warden as 'Suki hacks the Matrix.' And they have a point; running on heads, scaling sheer metal walls, taking out everyone in her way with barely a pause? Damn.
I really wish we got to see more of her.
The prison riot scene is by far one of the best and funniest moments in avatar next to zuzu
I like to imagine that Chit Sang just has that much respect in the prison that when people see that he needs a Riot they're like "Fuck it, we gotchu."
Suki: *Does Badass shit*
Hakoda: "Oh so your girl's a bad bitch"
Sokka: "Fr fr"
The shocked gasp of azula when falling down after ty lee also betrayed her *chef's kiss*
You can literally hear how it shook her to the core.
Another thing I noticed, thanks to Alicia's pause, is that it was the first time we see Azula actually get angry at Mei for betrayal. No her usual mischievous smirk, just pure expression of rage on her face.
That whole scene at the end with Mai, Azula, and Tai Lee is one of, if not my favorite scene in Avatar.
They each show off who they are, and what matters to them.
Also a great finally for the whole "not your regular this two thugs" story arc. They were made as a subversion of the stereotype of two henchmen working for Heavy and what better way to end the story then make them say "we leave you" and now my favorite villain meltdown of all time starts. :)
I wish they joined team avatar tbh it’d be an interesting addition to the story
Suki: "Sorry Warden, you're MY prisoner now."
Sokka: "me next?"
While the rest of this episode is great, the part that always gets me is that they have no idea what that other guy was in the highest security prison in the fire nation for. They’re just like “yeah this is Barry, he’s part of the group now. Just don’t ask about his past or he’ll kill 14 people again”
"Listen we know he's killed more people than the flu but he really helped us out and nobody in the group fits his target profile so really there's no issue."
If he killed fire nation people that will only earn him brownie points in Sokka's eyes :D
Azula claims she's a "people person" but then gets pissed and doesn't understand why Mai and Tai Lee turn against her. Doesn't get why Zuko is the way he is. Can't hold a normal conversation with people in general. Yeah... People person
I can fix her
@@chaserred4155 with a hammer
she was being sarcastic...
Mai: I don't need any protection!
Zuko: nice 😏
I have to say I LOOOOOVE Ty Lee's betrayal, because it speaks so much about her character
She doesnt think much about the big picture, her universe is the world she lives in, her friends, her passion, her feeling and the place she's in at the moment.
She never had any problem with any evil mission they were in because she was with her friends and thats the only thing thta matters to her
She ONLY "betrayed" Azula cause she knew she was gonna kill/badly hurt Mai, and thats something she cant let happen
If Mei was the more powerful one and she was baout to hurt Azula, Ty Lee would have done the same to Mai
Of course she knew they had to run immediately cause Azula was not gonna take that, but she didnt have any hate towards her, she just wantwd to prevent one of her friends hurting another
+3 into "Alicia thirsting over Hakoda"
One of my favorite interpretations of this two-parter is that Chit Sang thinks Sokka, Suki, and Zuko are a triad.
Gotta love Hakoda, great dad, and great daddy.
This is the episode that makes me think of how fire bender hands are probably somehow both extremely dry and sweaty during a fight or just like all the time.
I love how much of a real one that muscly guy was. Like, you think based on cliches he’d be a lughead asshole, but in reality he never wavered as a bro, even if he did screw up the escape attempt. Mind considering the prison, there’s also a chance he could be anti-fire nation
I mean, he didn't go get his friends for round 2, so.... mixed bag.
the next episodes are going to be REEEEALLY GOOD
Does anybody else wonder what ever happened to Chit Sang after the show ended? Where did he go, what did he do, did he ever reunite with his prison girl?
Excellent, excellent episode - not just the superb fight at the end, where you get to see the group really come into its own, but the fantastic character development. Avatar really has some of the best written characters in media.
Honestly just for Mai resignation scene alone this my favorite episode.
I LOVE every time when Zuko uses technics from other bendings' styles
I'm a bit late to the party, but that moment when Zuko locks Mai and the guard in the cell to escape, he did, exactly, what she asked of him. He looked her in the eye as he tore her heart out.
Mai is upset that Zuko went out for milk and never came back.
“The meat of fatherhood” definitely sounds suggestive.
The Ty Lee betrayal will always be my favorite scene in Avatar.
With the Azula/Mai thing, it’s not only that she chose Zuko over Azula, but the words used. “I *love* Zuko more than I *fear* you.” Her whole life, she’s been taught that the only reliable way to control people, and make them trustworthy, is to make them fear you. Thus she bases her only friendships (Mai and Ty Lee) on that foundation. They fear her first and foremost. Even if they do care about her, it’s secondary to following her out of fear. Thus, for Mai to admit that she still does fear Azula, but betrayed her anyway, because she *loves* Zuko, throws in her face that her entire way of viewing relationships is wrong. If Mai and Ty Lee still betray her despite fearing her, then that means fear isn’t the best way to establish a relationship. It’s one of the reasons she completely falls apart. She based her entire social viewpoint on that fundamental premise. She can’t get out of it, she breaks down in her hallucinations in the mirror because the Spector of her mother says “you use fear to control people” and Azula tries to reaffirm her taught belief. “Fear is the only reliable way, trust/love is for fools”. But she knows that’s not true, hence why her hallucination says “No, I love you Azula” She can’t handle it, so instead (spoilers for the comics) she constructs a delusion, where instead of facing the fact her social identity was wrong, she believes that her mother secretly made everyone not fear her anymore. That everyone around her is an “agent” of her mother in a sense. Her mother is at the root of all her pathologies. Azula is convinced that her mother did not love her, so it’s one of the reasons she rejects love as weakness and flimsy and not reliable, because her mother neglected her emotionally.
It’s a really tragic story. People often forget that Azula is only 14. She’s a child, barely a teenager. Yet she’s had all this enormous pressure to be perfect, and to emulate Ozai. She repressed entire aspects of herself that weren’t in line with Ozai’s image. And it’s heavily implied that Ozai physically abused both children, people only focus on Zuko when talking about it. But there’s no reason to not also assume he did it to Azula as well. She was just better at conforming to Ozai’s image. Frankly, because Azula had no one else. Her mother chose Zuko over her, blatantly. She would lay awake at night, listening to her mother tuck Zuko in, and read him stories. And she’d wait for her to come and do the same for Azula, yet her mother would just walk by her room without even saying goodnight. It’s instances like these that piled up, and made Azula grip onto Ozai for a sense of validation. And the more she did that, the more of Ozai’s immoral nature came out in Azula (as she’s emulating the behaviour that gets her affirmation from her only active parent). And as more Ozai comes out in Azula, the more her mother pulls back and neglects her, and thus the more stringent Azula becomes in being Ozai’s perfect heir. A vicious cycle.
Azula had no mother to instil compassion or reward moral behaviours. In fact her mother actively told her she was a monster and basically irredeemable. Zuko got to have Iroh, the literal most wise and patient mentor for three entire years to guide him. Azula was left completely alone with her monster father, moulding her into a perfect weapon, pouring poison into her.
Everyone chose Zuko over her. Zuko got so many chances and help. Azula was basically set up to fail. And you can see at the end of the show, her one final thread of being her father’s perfect child is cut. He leaves her behind, and she shots at him for the first time ever. “You can’t treat me like Zuko!” She can’t help but exclaim that. Because how is it fair that she has sacraficed so much, and dealt with all of the things I’ve just listed, and she doesn’t even get the validation and affirmation from her father that she worked for, and the only thing keeping her tethered? Thus she rapidly falls apart as the only foundations of her identity crumble. Thus after the Agni Kai, where she sees Zuko beat her in one of the only things she held on to, her prodigy status over him, she just breaks. Everything is taken from her. In her view, she lost everything and Zuko got it all, while Zuko was the “failure” and she stayed and did everything expected of her.
No one came back for her. No one stayed by her. Everyone betrayer or abandoned her, or chose Zuko over her. Yet in canon she’s shipped off to an asylum and drugged and put in restraints 24/7. At 14/15 years old. She was a traumatised, damaged *child* who deserved her family to give her a second chance and help her see what true family is without Ozai being over her. Yet they leave her in that asylum for years.
It’s a sad ending. Personally I don’t really like the ending at all, especially as the comics go on in canon. Azula’s fall is a perfect setup for a redemption arc. Azula is such a compelling character as she’s a genius, and a prodigy in fighting/bending. Her whole character is that she’s hyper competent and smart. Seeing her break, but pull herself back up stronger than before, would have been an amazing story. (There’s many great fanfics that do this btw! One amazing one is ‘Azula and The Rings of Accordance’ by the way!) But in canon, they just keep Azula as a complete unhinged psycho who’s only purpose is to help the male character (Zuko) progress. Any true development for Azula is either not a priority in the story or completely left out. It sucks.
Azula is by far my favourite character in ATLA. And seeing her go from amazing and compelling to… honestly kind of bad quality, is heartbreaking.
Funnily enough, my favourite Korra character is Kuvira, another character I feel like the writers completely bungled.
Hakoda left the protection of the water tribe to sokka when he was 12 because he thought he'd be gone less than year and that sokka was trustworthy enough. He ended up fighting for over 2 years and sokka grew up without him. Hakoda trusts his son's judgement with his life. If sokka told him to jump hakoda would ask how high and do it. So when Sokka tells him the son of the worst enemy Hakoda has ever faced is on their side he accepts it absolutely. Because if Sokka trusts Zuko with his life, then Hakoda will trust Zuko with his life and the lives of 5 other men.
Hakoda has no doubts that his son is the smartest person in the world, so why would he doubt anything his son ever says?
More Avatar reactions, lets go!
It's been about a week but it feels like years... I guess that just proves to me how much I love Alicia's reactions.
Pretty sure Zuko would prefer being locked in the cooler again than have to explain himself to his girlfriend.
12:34 i know im late but man this kind of reaction to azula says so much about how powerful and threatening her existence is
as a kid i took a lot of this show for granted and just kind of accepted azula as another villain but looking back her showing up is the equivalent to the colossal titan popping out of no where in episode 4. every scene with her is a roll of dice, you never know what to expect and that's what makes her so intimidating
12:33 *Azula jumpscare*
Alicia: *turns into owl*
Zuko has improved tremendously in his fire bending. Azula used to wipe the floor with Zuko. Now he was holding her off 1 on 1+Sokka.
Prison riots have the same rules as food fights
The details that this show gives (where a lesser show would just overlook) really gives it it's "bite"!
Things like, notice how when Zuko used to "angry-firebend" he would grunt & strain? Now that he is doing it differently (thanks to the Dragons), he isn't. In fact, his movements are much calmer & more relaxed.
Or during the BEST scene in the series (Mai's confrontation with Azula) notice Azula's hands showed she was going to KILL Mai! (using the LIGHTNING technique!)
One of the BEST episodes of the series! With the BEST SURPRISE twist of the entire show! (go Ty Lee!)
NO ONE saw THAT coming! Not anyone watching the show, and not anyone IN the show! (look at everyone's expressions) Even Ty Lee was surprised with a "Did I just DO that?" look on her face.
Finally someone else in the Zuko x Mai camp
It may seem to come out of nowhere, but it's a relationship that just keeps getting better every episode it's featured in.
Azula: “Because I’m a people person”
-Except when she’s flirting-
The Warden doesnt get enough props for literally _ordering_ his subordinates to kill him along with the escapees. Dudes an asshole, but _defintely_ a professional. Only other wardens in fiction who holds a candle to him in terms of dedication to the job are Magellan & Hannyabal from One Piece
I get that Mai and Ty Lee would need to face their betrayal some way, but I don’t think they would’ve lost if they tried to fight the guards surrounding them- but still what an ending
I kinda wished Mai and Ty Lee joking the group after this ya know> it’d be cool even if we don’t like them
7:23 Heard you say that and just thought "be careful what you wish for" knowing how bad that ends for her for the immediate future 😅
Let's get one thing straight: Azula is not "a people person". A people person gets along well with people. They can put you at ease, lift your spirits, or give good advise. Azula is not that.
What she is is a manipulator. She knows how people work, what makes them tick. She's the kind of person who can tell in an instant whether somebody is lying or not. That's how she knew that guard wasn't a traitor. But Azula is terrifying. People are never "at ease" with her around. That's why her "friends" betrayed her in the end.
This is the best two-parter of the series. These are probably some of my favorite episodes overall. Mai and Ty Lee GANG!! Also when this was airing in ~2007, a lot of this evil prison shit really rang close to home in America.
Azula: Because I'm a people person.
Also Azula: That's a sharp outfit Chan...
8:59 Yeah...cause a relationship between two people is so much larger scale than a whole country filled with thousands of people.
Alicia with Hakoda be like:
"Sokka's dad is actually pretty rad
He's all I want, I’m obsessed just a tad
Sokka, can't you see?
Your Dad’s just the guy for me
I know it might be bad but
I'm in love with Sokka's Dad"
These episodes were so good, especially cause I know how it feels to see a parent after a long time
One thing you might not hav noticed but Azula was going for the kill. You can see her doing the fingers for lighting bending she was so angry.
7:04 cool, conjugal visit, I mean, Oh No, she's really mad at him, he broke up via text message
I think the only thing saving Mai and Ty Lee from being thrown into the boiling lake is the fact this was a kids show.
i was soooo excited for avatar reactions finallyyy❤
Suki's going SICKO MODE!!
Sokka's charisma and intellgience stats are so off the chart, that if he was the avatar he would've won the entire war in one day.
Hakoda's lucky he's not a Bender. They'd have something much less humane in store for him. Or possibly an execution by incineration.
It's a good thing he won't have to worry about long term incarceration, though he doesn't know that.
In fairness, the last time Hakoda saw Sokka was briefly during the invasion, when things were a little chaotic and they didn't spend too much time together. The last time before that was when Sokka hadn't even hit puberty yet and was left behind to watch the village.
The Warden is a typical archetype, but he's handled well.
Hakoda might also be thinking of how to drive a wedge into the Fire Nation with a civil war. But he trusts that Sokka can vouch for Zuko being on their side for now.
Zuko is a traitor in his country's eyes. Of course a loyal by the book guard would want to bad mouth the treasonous ex-prince. Also being able to lord power over someone who could have previously killed a career with an offhand comment is pretty plausible too.
I can't entirely blame Mai for being mad. Still, I can't say I envy Zuko being in a prison run by his ex's uncle.
I get Zuko leaving a letter because he was in a hurry and explaining why you're leaving all you have behind is not a quick conversation.
It's only betrayal if you fail and/or the history books are unflattering.
Yeah, that praise for AOT on microexpressions and in general is probably going to age like milk.
Nah, the origin of the shapeshifting impostor is more likely John Carpenter's The Thing. A very nasty shapeshifter that can infect and assimilate. The more monstrous stuff in Among Us is in keeping with The Thing. If you go looking, it's a very gory movie. Also, don't watch the Prequel.
Mind you, this is all second hand from someone else who actually likes to watch horror movies.
To quote one Michael Weston, "when you're the Spy Hunter, the spy is whoever you say it is." Burn Notice was such a fun show.
You expected a wrinkle? He she is!
"Because I'm a people person." Sure you are.
"That's it?" Apparently! They don't have enough cooler cells for all of them! They can't kill them all! WOOOOO! PUNCH THAT GUY WWHO STOLE MY LUNCH INSTEAD OF THE GUARD WHO CLUBBED ME!
Suki may not be actual royalty (though Sokka is arguably [penny] prince adjacent as the de facto heir to running the village), but she is awesome.
Azula can only make short boosted leaps with her fire. She can't fly proper. As shown by her needing the cuffs to ride the cable.
Azula is many terrible things, but I will never deny her talent and power.
Azula surprised. I'll just add that one to the file.
With Mai helping, this is almost like a distorted double date. And Sokka's dad is the Chaperone.
Remember back in the The Drill how Mai would rather risk Azula's anger than getting in the waste pump?
Man, I've been waiting eagerly to see your reaction to Azula trying to handle her miscalculations about people and the consequences of strong arming Ty Lee into her squad.
Azula was preparing a lightning strike, a kill shot.
All of this is going into the "Azula isn't as much as she though she was" file.
They left in a war balloon and came back in the much meaner successor. They helped humble and humiliate Azula. They broke the reputation of the Boiling Rock. They brought back 2 capable warriors and field commanders. This was a very successful day.
Given that this was Azula's war zeppelin, there's probably some very choice cuts of tasty animals. Rank doth hath privileges. As does looting enemy commanders. And options for petty psy ops. Like taking her spare armors and putting graffiti on them for her to find. Reading any journal entries for intel and mocking....
Oh yeah! Finally back to Avatar!! Awesome 😎
11:45 Dude really just said red was the imposter
One thing I'll say, is that I still believe that Tai Lee does actually care about Azula. It just always seemed to me that she attacked Azula there because it was the only way she could see to keep both of them from dying. Well, that, and that she was acting more on instinct than any conscious decision. I mean, you can see the confusion on her face as Azula goes down.
Cant believe Zuko would break up with someone over text smh
20:06 it was foreshadowed in episode 3 of season one
God, thank you for posting Alicia, i was soo bored 😂❤
Suki really did be on that Assassin's Creed energy though, huh?
18:14 oh baby korra is going to hurt
I'm so excited for the next episode it's one of my personal favorites.
A lot of people hate Cora but I have a feeling you’re gonna like it it’s not as good as the original and Cora definitely starts off rough as a character but once you hit season 3+ it gets really serious
And the downward spiral of azula beguins
Alicia's reaction to how the riot was started, fun to watch
17:04 sokka having a Shatner moment? xD
12:30 Haha, you react like Azula's presence literally burns. And to be fair, it does.
Every now and then Avatar does remember it's supposed to be a kids-show. ^^
Only to immediately go back to grown up story telling once the riot is going. :D
18:09 soooo who’s gonna tell her or should I ??
15:10, i guess, as long as thuer not ghe one who STARTS it, they dont get in trouble?
I would say she needs to watch 86, but I don't know if her emotions could handle it.
Something about this episode tells me you'll enjoy the 2018 She'Ra a lot
I haven't seen much of that show, but I can tell just from the promotional media that it features some of the Avatar writing/animation alumni
she'll find so many babies
I feel bad for chitsang, his girl and buddy are still in prison
Finallyyyyyy I've been waiting for ever for your avatar reaction !
If you really like good character writing you should probably check out The Spectacular Spiderman and Young Justice Shows. Greg Weisman is a pretty goated show runner
If you like this you should check out
How to train your dragon
It goes the first movie
Race to the edge
And then the second movie
Then the third it all lines up
azula was fairly mercyful here, i dont think its normal to just lock up someone that assaulted a memeber of the imperial family and aided a traitor. seems like someplace like the firenation would normaly have death penalty for that.
Hey Alicia,
I'm trying to fill out a Patreon subscription, but I can't get past the payment page. Any tips?
Note - You're the first channel I chose to give Patreon support, so I'm 100% new to the process
I feel like Ty Lee and Mai could've taken the prison guards.
Can't wait for her to react to the theatrical play episode that must be the best ep of the series 😆😆😆
I’m not sure if it happened, but I wonder if Chit sang chose a guard that he hated to incriminate lel
Edit: oh yea it was hehe
Hey Alicia if you can respond, will u be playing genshin again?
Azula can't actually fly... it's more like a rocket-jump...
Chit is a riotbender
I FUCKING LOVE MAI ALL MY HOMIES LOVE MAI
Finally 🎉
Suki best girl 🤩
AVATAAAAAR
Nobody:
Alicia: Is that an Amogus reference?????????
oh this next one gonna mess alicia up huh
Hey! Riot! *Shouting and firebending*
YEAH!!!