I see a lot of comments asking about the Commonwealth of China. In case it wasn't communicated well, the COC government is not Chinese, it's full of Americans. America has complete control over China, the Chinese people were literally second class citizens and were not allowed anywhere near high levels of government. The COC is not China joining the U.S., it's the U.S. conquering China and subjecting it to their will.
The confusion comes from how you stated that China would be America's 15th commonwealth. That implies annexation rather than the establishment of a puppet regime.
@@Alex_FRD , While I agree with the confusion, I paused for a moment too, this isn't a puppet government situation.... China was Annexed, the government in China is the United States government and not some Chinese puppet. One section of the United States Government is just fighting internally with another, normal in commonwealths.
One time I played Fallout 4, the game got completely glitched during the intro and the bombs never dropped. I was stuck on the Vault-Tec platform but I guess the world was saved. Good ending?
It's not a big surprise what happened... it was evident in Fallout that the USA was probably months short of full blown civil war by the end. If the war hadn't happened it would have blown up... the Brotherhood of Steel formed *before* the bombs hit when they declared themselves in desertion and got no response at Mariposa. The Enclave was already evacuating to shelters before the bombs flew... so any sudden 'victory' only would have delayed the inevitable cracks and corruption. And once they ran out of targets they'd fall apart into a bloody civil war they'd inevitably lose. The only question would be how long it took. A very good what-if.
And dont forget all the shit we learn in New Vegas! The scientists at Big MT were there during and way before the war and grew more depraved with every passing month. If the USA wouldn't have died in a nuclear explosion, they'd definitly have won the war with fucked up super weapons and bio-engineered monstrosities. The USA had won. They through out every tiny scrap of ethics, they sold their people out and had everything ready. They had power armor, way more advanced weaponry and were bigger. China had lost which is why I think they fired first (resulting in the stuff the brotherhood of steel memoires mention being actual facts and no americanized version of the events). There is no way, that the chinese would have won. Their only chance was a nuclear war and they lost that war too. But like you said, even without any war, the US was already so far down the rabbit hole, that any of the then arising dactions would have caused an implosion. Be it the enclave starting an uprising of an american master race, be it crazed scientists releasing their unethical experiments onto the world or be it a military uprising. From what we learn from terminals, even citizens started to rebel pre war. They were unhappy with the government. Or look at Rober House. He might want the best for the world, but only for a world in his image. Even as a human he was methodical, calculatinf and superhumanly intelligent. He basicly forced the government into deals and had an entire army of robots built before the war with other creations of his already being present in many homes and the military. He probably would have at some point done the same thing he did to the NCR to the actual pre war government. And without the war, the chip would have arrived more or less on time and those protectrons would have been upgraded, he'd have giant laser turrets on the Lucky 38 and he could have been anywhere at any time. At that point, he would have been able to take over the USA from the inside. Or Lorenzo cabbot and his cult fanatics, those were pre war things, those people surely wouldn't have held out forever. We know about that lovecraftian cult that almost every major buisiness owner was involved. So yeah, they would probably have started a takeover attempt at some point. And lastly, if nothing else would have happned, the zetan aliens would have won their own war against us. That laser they have on the mothership was strong enough that nobody could ever have done anything against it in time. So yeah in the fallout universe humanity was always totally fucked
Really though, the comforting thing about all this is, is that this couldn't have happened. Because before even this halfway point was reached, there would be people in office that would actually care more about humanity than their proto-nazic capitalist dictatorship.
Also, the ALIENS. I was just playing Fallout 76 (they had their Alien event again) and I found a recording in the town of Flatwoods in Fallout 76 (I think the recording I found was around the area of the group of double headed cows, The Brahmins, all hang out in Flatwood). Fallout 76, which takes place 25 years after the Great War, has the recording from a guy who gives eye witness testimony that the aliens showed up about ten days BEFORE the war started and he is convinced that the aliens played a part in kick starting the Great War. He describes the aliens in the same way I encountered them in the game when I fought the aliens in Fallout 76 (with them having green skin). He definitely saw them. He also speculates that the aliens might view Earth as a series of multiple experiments that they want to conduct for whatever bizarre reasons. On a side note, there were also aliens in Fallout 3 (in a DLC) and 4 (under very specific conditions, there is a way to run into one of them... and he is NOT friendly).
You're forgetting all the scientific breakthroughs that so many labs and companies were only months away from. Breakthroughs that would have solved their scarcity problems. I mean hell. The Sierra Madre casino had matter energy converters.
@@Salt-Upon-Woundss it was made to extend his natural life, after a certain point if he leaves he’ll die. And if he leaves early he ages and dies too I think without the Great War house goes the route of the robobrain, it’s the only logical choice, no Great War, brain in a jar on a robot
Well I mean yeah. One unit, no matter how skilled, no matter how well equipped, can’t take on an army. They’d have eventually been overrun. The Great War saved them.
@@nikik5567 Very true. Heck, even in video games, most FPS games have you facing individual pockets of enemies rather than colossal waves of enemies. Of course, you have games like Serious Sam that DO have you facing colossal enemy waves, but Serious Sam despite its namesake isn’t meant to be taken seriously.
This was a great video. I have a scenario: What if the NCR-Brotherhood War never happened. It leaves the NCR dollar on the Gold Standard, and the relationship between the NCR and the Brotherhood more stable by the time the Legion rolls around.
This one would be a damn good one, New Vegas would be completely different with a full power NCR and possible Brotherhood alliance, good luck Caesar, and House.
Wonderful video, but you forgot the Big Mountain Teleportation technology. If it was finished on time it would allow the US to deploy its troops all over the globe. Even teleport right on top of the Chairman. And unlike the Institutes teleportation which is based out of their headquarters, the Big MT was satellite based and last quite literally over 200 years
Hmm, a Chinese commonwealth seems extremely far fetched, even in the crazy world of Fallout. At least one can make the argument that Canada was also an English-speaking, democratic nation with cultural, ethnic, and historical ties to the US. More likely what would happen is a Taiwanese occupation of the mainland with US forces there as "peacekeepers", while the USSR becomes the new communist boogeyman.
Very much yes. The Chinese populace would never accept this. China is FAR to massive to be occupied and incorporated into the USA. Guerilla wars would be happening all over China, making holding it more costly than just leaving them under Taiwanese control or left to their fate, with the USA acting as an aide giver.
As I was thinking earlier, i think tiawan would be controlling the main land its just that America is probably controlling them. Considering just how emperialist Fallouts America is i wouldn't be surprised if America at some point managed to wiggle its way into controlling tiawan into a puppet state
I agree, the fallout US would probably just put a puppet government that would exploit china resources to supplement the US economy, like food and other materials that the us was needing.
Man's over here running rings around Bethesdas writing team in his spare time. Absolutely awesome vid man, thank you for somehow making a Pre-War Fallout seen even more of a hellscape than Post-War.
Okay, as much as I agree I also gotta say. One person writing a thing is easy. The problem is when 2000 other people also get input on some part the script. A test we did in high school theater to prove this was having teams write their own script, then it would be passed onto another team to be edited, then onto another team for the final draft. Like any game of telephone, you can guess how bad it turned out.
The saddest thing about the Fallout timeline is that they had everything they could have possibly needed to save the world and usher in a new and enlightened age. Fusion power, wonder drugs that could cure almost any disease, GECKs. They had all the resources they needed to save humanity and they knowingly chose not to. They took that technology to feed the military industrial complex, twisting and corrupting all of the good that could have been done, and ultimately leading to the end times. There’s an important lesson in that, I think. A very important lesson…
Yes, they could have had a paradise. But that would have required giving up power. The American leadership and elite were no enlightened philosopher - kings, no rational tyrants. Just power-hungry egomaniacs, as short-sighted as they were evil and stupid.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Except that's not how farming works. I live in SD's farmlands my guy, you would deplete the soil if you tried that and kill future production. Not only that but the US has already utilized all available fertile land for farming and 3 nukes hitting farmland would be devastating. Finally the US could've used the enveiling of the GECK's (something they could easily produce with an intact industrial base and tech sector) as a moral and propaganda win to unite the country in their favor. Do not worry citizens, even if the bombs fall we the US Government have the means to heal our beloved country and make it livable again. Hell Vault tec would sign on cause of the boatloads of cash they would make in this.
@@brianstabile165 if you have the designs and an intact industrial base you can literally make as many as you need. The idea of GECK's being a rare mythological piece of tech comes from the fact that in the canon timeline noone has the designs or means to make em anymore. In this timeline it would literally just need a funding bill signed off and Vault tec would become filthy rich hero's which the US actually wanted
Also, by 2078-2079 wouldn’t the energy crisis have been completely averted through nuclear fusion? Fusion cores just couldn’t be made wide spread enough to prevent the crisis but that would have been dealt with by that time.
I mean they were fighting over oil. Even if America won, I doubt the fossil fuel industry would be wiped out by the Nuclear industry. Especially with Alaska being the last place to draw oil from.
Another solution: given the huge advancements made in technology, I'm not sure it would be hard for literally any country to make it to Titan (one of saturns? Moons) and bring back literal years worth of oil each time.
There's a non-cannon ending in Fallout 2 where the Morino family weaponizes jet addiction and takes over the surrounding areas. It might be interesting to explore that ending and see how it affects the events in New Vegas.
I remember hearing somewhere that one of the creators had said in an interview that if the bombs hadn’t dropped, that society would have collapse due to overconsumption anyways.
@@Baldwin-iv445the only reason China attacked Alaska was because Alaska was literally the last oil place on earth at this point as the EU and Arab Union killed each other's resources supplies simply occupying China would have destroyed America
which makes no sense considering that the U.S produces enough food to feed hundreds of millions of people every year and that globally there is enough food being made to feed all 7 billion people on earth several times over right now. so how in the hell can the fallout universe be having so much of a problem?
Hey I remember suggesting this. Edit: so america took over China and annexed it? So the America of Fallout is really far more emperialist then in our timelines. So what about the Philippines, South Korea and Japan. Did America give them independence like in our time-line or are they still under American control
Most of Asia would have been controlled by China, therefore it fall to the U.S. after the war. They wouldn't necessarily gain independence, more just the U.S. wouldn't bother with them because they would mostly all be bombed out wastelands.
@@TheOmegaInitiative i guess America did give them independence its just eventually China came in and set up shop in the countries. I asked because irl those 3 nations have extremely close ties to America. The Philippines were won/annexed in the 1890s, America effectively controlled Japan after ww2 as the nation was rebuilding, both where later made independent in the 1950s. South Korea was never actually owned by america but the United states was instrumental in the nations formation. Considering how imperialist this America is I don't it let any of them become independent.
I’m guessing that they are in a weird proxy state where they are under the United States but no one cares enough to even drop a single bit of money or police force there, so it’s like they are controlling their own regions. Just guessing this due to the other concerns of the commonwealth at the time
the US annexed Mexico and Canada. So you are right that they're far more imperialist in the fallout timeline, specially in methods of governance and expansion
Very fun and engaging watch! This video had so many twists and turns I was left wondering how it would turn out in the end. Even with the elements you missed, this video deserves lots of recognition. You've already done a great job as is. With how much material there was to write and edit, it happens that things will be missed in the pile. It deserves both praise and constructive criticism for both better shape future stories. For one, I really liked the plot twist coming close to the final battle with the Super Mutants. Elements like that show Great War happening or not, war, war never changes. A Fallout story worthy of being told just like the rest.
That would've majorly pissed off major corporations like Rob-Co and General Atomics, potentially losing billions of dollars, and when you consider some of the higher ups in those companies had a lot of buddies in the government, it wouldn't have happened, even if it probably should've.
Destroying the self checkout lines would help jobs in our world but that doesn't mean corporations will do it. It's always cheaper to employ a robot than a human.
The root of the problem isn't job shortages, there weren't many resources to share with the people who held money they would earn in jobs, social unrest would likely crumble both governments even without a war. It's interesting to mention that Fallout didn't address Russia's nuclear project and what happened to the nuclear technology sharing contract, it would most likely be pushed further than in the real world.
This is literally amazing! Everything the Fallout series is built off of is changed slightly to the point that nuclear war doesn't happen the government was bound to be overthrown after straying too far away from the constitution and violating lots of peoples' rights the whole commonwealth system in fallout was pretty garbage and the rebels most likely abolished it after taking control of the government, but at least the states are still united, they just lost a lot of trust in the federals after the whole shazam
When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty. Effectively the federal government betrayed the American people, the constitution. And the rights of the people. The greatest fault Is vault tec for taking Money from the farming industry which hit the food supply harx.
I think its a really grimdark world but one after the story is done thats still gots lot of hope the decentralized nature will probally do it alot of good
in the end though, the cultural aspects that bind americans together is still there, and the federal government is still trusted in war time thats the thing, its not really a government or state that binds people together its culture, and despite differences america would cease to exist as a real political entity but would still feel at home with other american states.
i honestly feel like there could be a fallout game about this alternative lore maybe it could take place in a rural small town or a city, either way i feel like instead of it being a wasteland it could be a war torn lawless region with everyone for themselves, the main goals would be to escape the state or escape america completely or find refuge in a community of some sort, as for faction endings: militia: the entire commonwealth succeeds from the federal government and forms a unified alliance rebels: entire commonwealth succeeds and forms a huge movement that aims to completely overthrow the Federal government loyalist: entire commonwealth is suppressed of the rebels and militia federal government: entire commonwealth is completely purged with every building destroyed
Good video, though I don’t think it makes much sense to make China a commonwealth. Imagine how hard that would be to integrate China into America. It’s not like America or the other allied powers took Germany into their countries after either world war, they simply occupied part or all of it, but Germany was still technically their own nation with their own separate government.
I think it would've made more sense to setup a Puppet Government and still have it be occupied, with American corporations set up shop. But having the Chinese completly integrate into American culture in such a sort amount of time is completly ridiculous. I liked the video, but it was REALLY disappointing to see China become what it did. The most I could see is tiny Enclaves of Americans still being Americans in new towns and small communities but that's about it, they'd probably integrate into China, leaving only a slight tinge of America behind. I feel like once American refuges started coming over, the Chinese would cut themselves off from America and become a quote on quote "sister" republic of sorts, but still, not really as American as America would like. China could possibly become like Switzerland and turning inward with America collapses into Civil War at home.
Taiwan still existed in fallout before the bombs drop IIRC, so the US government probably didn't hand over the newly conquered territory for selfish reasons
Tell that to all those countries that Stalin took back from the Nazis "All dem, I am keeping dem." Poland, just for example, got f#cked three times, once by the Nazis, then again when the Russians rolled back west, then for terrible decades behind the Iron Curtain. Also, don't forget, leading into Japan's ill advised attempt at giving the States a bloody nose (Pearl Harbour) they had taken over a massive part of Eastern China, named Manchuria, which included Korea. Ruled it with an iron, rapey, fist. 😔
A well fed nation is a compliant one. While the government would be able to supply unlimited energy with fusion reactors, once crop harvest start to come in from China things would calm down virtually overnight and should hold up just long enough until the bread basket in the U.S starts creating food again. I think you devalue how much Chinese crops would alleviate food burdens in mainland U.S. Just my take, and just feel like starting arguments on the internet. Absolutely loved the video! Keep it up!!
The problem is building farms to feed both the US and Chinese population cant happen over night it takes a long time and they were trying to do this. Also alot of US farms were destroyed and the goverment also became sorta evil dictators. I think long term the union of states and its decentralized nature will fix alot of the problems.
@@issstari954 as it should’ve been from the get go. The founding fathers never intended for there to be a big central government. That came later. Their idea for the federal government was basically to organize infrastructure and to command a military that would be the first line of defense to give the American people time to organize into militias.
because of Chinese and Canadian citizens becoming US citizens, the food boost from Chinese agriculture becomes completely negated by also having to feed them too instead of only the mainland
@@issstari954 Yeah, the one thing this timeline has to quietly ignore is the GECK, which can straight up terraform irradiated desert into farmland. (and pre-nuking, could be mass produced.) With that keeping people fed (and the PR boost of 'fixing the damage the commies did!' to China) the government could avoid wide scale unrest getting out of hand.
The sheer level of detail and timescale that you go into on these while still making them realistic in that world is so cool, I love listening to these and thinking about what we could have seen in Fallout
Why would the entire nation deserve punishment for what its oligarchic government did? We already endlessly argue over whether nuking two cities Japan was just, how could there be any Humanistic case for this?
@@etrs Fallout America deserved it because its tendrils already entangled most of the infrastructure of what makes a nation; law, armies, civil, and even religion. They manipulated those events for real and made it so to serve them their wants and needs, if they continued on that path, Fallout will be another '1984' book But because they ring the trap prematurely, their heads are now stuck in a hard place.
I know this video was quite lengthy and time-consuming (more so than your other projects, especially with having significantly less to go off of compared to your other alternative scenarios), but I think there would be a decent amount of people interested in seeing a follow-up into this New Cold War that the new US would find themselves in.
I find it highly unlikely that China would become a part of the US. We are talking about a land as larger as the mainland US, one that has a distinct identity, culture and civilization built up over millennia. One that can’t just be erased over a decade or two with consumerism which China has embraced these days and still kept its identity. One can make the case for Canada becoming a part because shared English language, similar culture and long cooperation before the US took it over in the Fallout Universe, but China?! Instead I can imagine the country being balkanized into different smaller states like an independent but heavily „influenced“ Yunnan, Guangzhou, maybe Tibet, Manchuria etc etc.
Idk, the CCP in the modern day has worked extremely hard to replace all ancient Chinese culture with worship of the CCP itself, it would not be as implausible as it may seem
I find it unlikely that the Chinese would get a commonwealth 'right away' so to speak, if they even became one, it should be later on in the video. We have to remember the racism towards Chinese people and that the U.S. favored Canadians more than the Chinese. Still a great video, and I love this style!
They were still racist, they made them second class citizens and only used them to make the U.S. stronger, the Americana injected into the COC was simply out of disdain for Chinese culture.
I always love these alternate timeline videos you make, they always are grim and embrace the fact that this universe is in a cracked and fragile state and that no country can really win.
Yk….I hate really long times in between videos for most RUclipsrs. But when it comes to you I know that when I wait those couple weeks I get to be pleasantly surprised by an amazing video. You just keep hitting it out of the park with these man! Keep up the good work!!!
I’d adore something in a timeline where the war never happens. Maybe important characters are born in an ironic position and important events in the wasteland have an echo in the new timeline. The biggest factions or concepts of factions would exist and have numbers beyond what they have. The BoS, new state governments, volunteer paramilitaries, Good Samaritan organizations, bandits, terrorist organizations like Caesar’s Legion, technocratic councils, vault communities, cults, the institute, autonomous robot armies, mutants and what we see of the Enclave were effectively in place before the Great War even started; they just got a different birth from the aftermath of the apocalypse. War never changes, after all.
I think this video was well done, and emphasizes the fact that without the Great War, life wouldn't have suddenly gotten easier for everyone else. I do wonder what would've happened to Nate and Nora of this timeline, considering Minuteman is the most likely canon route of F4 I would assume he'd join the rebellion pretty early on.
They'd continue to live on their little island of Sanctuary Hills isolated from the problems of the common Bostonian folk. Hell, I see it as more likely that Nate would be a loyalist, just because of the favorable treatment him and his family seem to have recieved.
This video is really spooky considering the parallels between the fallout universe and real-life. I understand that is not the intention behind this video, but I could not help but notice. Very thought provoking.
What if the institute was destroyed in the great war (They can't prevent the commonwealth government from forming, vault 111 remains safe and all the inhabitants survive and the brotherhood has no reason to journey to Boston.)
What happened to Nate, Nora and Shaun? They seemed pretty well off in the Fallout 4 prologue but Nate seems like an idealist so he might join the free states for democracy and freedom etc.
I feel Ike that’s very plausible. Though he might also not get involved at all if it meant the safety of his family. Really depends if he values his duty and patriotism over personal and moral deviances with the US government.
And it was rejected for obvious reasons. It would be like a fox in the henhouse. Russia already invaded and held Transnistria in Moldova when it "offered" to join NATO. Like you have to adhere to certain military and political standards to join.
Awesome video and all of it fits very well with the direction of the U.S in Fallout's timeline. I always viewed it as a "What if the business plot worked?" A merging of state and corporate power for imperialist and profitable ends. The ending made me want a squeal video lol
@@giovannicervantes2053 I think them going to McArthur is the only way it would’ve happened. He was very anti soviet as well which could’ve made a even worse red scare in the US
@@s7robin105 that plus i think you're forgetting the red scares in the 30s the business plot could've been aided by butler but the bankers could've used it to demonize communists even more
Excellent Work, all of your what if videos are amazing and I've listened multiple times. I can tell you put lots of effort in, and I hope you keep up the good work. I am excited to see what you come up with next.
An interesting scenario though ultimately one I don't think woulda been possible. If China saw itself losing the war, I've no doubt the top dogs in China woulda said "if we are going down, we will take everyone else with us" which is..Well, it's what I think happened. (And what you mentioned at the start and I think you handled it well) Many debate who shot first, why would America shoot first when they were winning?
Some theories that say what if the U.S. shot first speculate that the nukes were gonna be dropped regardless if they were winning or not, because that was the Enclave's plan all along. Other theories claim that it was actually Vault-Tec, who got a hold of a nuke and shot it at China, provoking a response, and it's supposed to be supported by the mission they assigned the overseer from Vault 76 to claim the nuclear silos in WV. Although it's all theories really
The enclave and vault tech wanted to wipe the slate clean basically or maybe it was one evil then both or maybe it was an accident or even aliens so yea
@@steverukia6247 tbh, I simply subscribe to the fact China shot first oppose to any enclave, alien or vault tech intervention. They're interesting theories and each has their merit of course.
I am very excited to watch this! You're one of my favorite Fallout RUclipsrs, as you put a lot of thought into your videos, which makes them super interesting
Bro most underrated lore channel ever just found it and i am astonished and intreated by this alternate timeline. Tbh this lore would probably be one of the best back stories ever for a game.
In the concept art for Chinese power armour their was text on the armour saying that Taiwan must be liberated so it's possible that China invaded and annexed Taiwan like the USA did with Canada
"Mostly independent nations... only things keeping them together being common interests and giving federal government control of the military in wartime." So literally how the U.S. was founded to operate.
Which makes sense the states run themselves but are united with a federal government only able to run the military in wartime. And the political slate was wiped clean. Thus the usa and annexed Canada are able to restore the farms with the money vault tec squandered but the USA will recover and be a land of the free. Especially since China is a free capitalist free nation too.
So I saw this in my recommendations and was like "eh, this looks neat." I was not expecting to watch a video this good. I am not even that much of a fallout fan but wow this is awesome storytelling. Thank you for making this!
I can’t believe that I’ve never actually really asked this question before. I’ve often asked what the world was like before the Great War and have very deeply regretted that we were there but for a stupidly short and limited time. There was so much that we could have seen if we wanted.
Okay so some issues I am seeing in this video. 1: The military is portrayed to be using a Post WW2/Korean War loadout vs the energy weapons and other adv gear the US is known to deploy in the setting. 2: The agricultural crisis should've, could've, and would've been solved by the mass deployment of GECK's thus heading off the famine. Yes Vault tec would've price gouged the US on em but dear lord where is the attention to detail you normally show in these? *EDIT* I am going to add this here: Using the GECK's, which would've been easier for them with the needed infrastructure to produce them intact, to restore the areas hit by nukes would've been a massive pr and propaganda win for the Government. Just saying it makes more sense for them to use them to starve their people. 3: Another knock on the agricultural crisis: where was Big Mountain and the Mojave vault? Like these institutions were still functioning before the war and would've been used for RnD. 4: Police gear: Why wasn't the Westcoast Riot Armor not deployed in the early waves of the patriotization process? The thermals in this new conflict I am looking at? 5: Majority of the Old world nations had self destructed during the Resource wars. None of them were in a financial or militarily in any position to buy nuclear or fusion tech from the US. 6: Where was Mr.House in all of this? He was a man with a plan and his interception hardware should've stopped nukes from touching down. My guy you need to go back to the drawing board and redo this one and do your homework. You cut so much out that even Bethesda left in to make this scenario work. This feels like the US was the Fallout 2 Enclave, evil for the sake of being evil. I enjoy your content, I really do but this was subpar compared to you other work.
1 : The images are just illustrations, advanced weaponry like Power Armor and orbital lasers are mentionned several times in the video. Wether the military uses laser/plasma guns as much as they use traditional weapons has no impact whatsoever on the scenario. 2 : The GECK was designed to render sterile land into farmable, habitable land. It wasn't designed to speed up growth, crops would still take months to grow and this all happens in a short span time so the food crisis would still be a thing. 3 : Research takes years to amount to something, Big MT was active for a long time before the Great War yet despite that the US was still a shithole. As for Vault 87, it's shown in NV the technology used in that vault is unstable and turns plants and humans into flesh eating monsters. Unleashing that technology would just create giant jungle hellscapes. 4 : That wouldn't change anything, also the government doesn't hand out new gear in fear it might be turned against them later. 5 : It's stated in the Fallout 1 intro the European Commonwealth was dissolved and was reduced to bickering states, however they didn't nuke themselves. The growing threat of the US in this scenario would likely be used to paint them as a boogeyman, and be a cause to stop the fighting and unite as there wasn't much left to fight for anyway. Also it's not just Europe but the entire world, the whole of them put together could probably buy US fusion tech or even develop their own. 6 : Mr House was focused on saving Vegas and its surroundings, the upgrades contained within the Platinum chip weren't designed to stop nukes from hitting the East Coast. Since Vegas wasn't hit in this, he probably kept making billions with RobCo and Repconn (especially with the Mars mission). "This feels like the US was the Fallout 2 Enclave, evil for the sake of being evil" For all intents and purposes, it was. America in the Fallout world is a dystopian authoritarian state that executes civilians and experiments on innocents, every piece of lore we have on pre-war America paints them as evil bastards.
I agree with everything in this comment, I love his work but come on! I feel like this could have been way better, I mean this outcome really doesn’t seem much better then if the Great War really would have just happened. Probably even worse. I feel like in this video, the first part about the full scale military invasion of china was really good with taking out the government and everything, and taking out the BOS at mariposa was good but then it just seemed to drop. Everything you mentioned and then other stuff like how the newly occupied china would play out, I think the US would hunt down any surviving Chinese military/Government but then divide the land between other allied nations like the EU, Soviet Union, Taiwan, and maybe even Australia or something. But I think we can agree that even a somewhat corrupt US government would not be so stupid as the try to fully annex china and add 100 million more mouths to feed with the current famine in the US. And I think the first moment a USNG soldier fired on a group of civilians it would all just go to crap right then and there. And if some nukes were detonated, what about nuclear fallout being blown all over the world? There’s 10 other things I could write but my thumb is getting tired so yeah, omega initiative, I think you need to make some RUclips polls and look at the comments and take two on this one. No point in having the Great War not happen if it’s not a good ending.
This video is great! There was so much effort put into it, and this channel. Edit: since I see others making 'what if' video suggestions, how about a video covering what if the Think Tank escaped Big Mt, or what Elijah and the Courier teamed up. We get no in-game path for the former, and the latter could be expanded on *a lot* more than the two minute ending slide one gets if they go down the hidden path
Great channel, with so many others regurgitating lore and seeing if a game is good X amount of years later, its good to see somebody trying to make pretty original fallout content
I think the next logical step for the Fallout universe "If the bombs didn't drop" would most definitely be Space. I recently played through Nuka world again and had to go through the galactic world section because of the extremely interesting details laden throughout it's attractions about vault-tecs plans for space exploration. Bethesda's strategic spin off with Starfield looks to be the answer due to it's similarities with big corporations like those of the fallout universe making it to space. Power Armor is literally made for space conquest. Also the invention and mass integration of laser weapons all point to a world that was obviously readying itself for space travel. The decision to use nuclear power as a long term solution to energy. Rather than the world we live in today heavily dependent on fossil fuels. And lastly the mass integration of robotics. Admittedly Fallout's world not developing the microprocessor amidst all these other developments as well as THIER obsession with the 50's and it's art deco style while charming, doesn't make sense. I would have loved to see the lore expanded to a decade like the 80s and stopping there instead in terms of influence and culture.
it....doesnt make sense? Its the setting of a game, no documentary. Same with Harry potter being set in the 90s despite the books being written later. There is a reason why a setting is how it is. The setting of fallout with its 50s charme was to create a contrast between the ruined and painful existence of a post ww3 setting and the uplifting and hopefilled atmosphere of the 50s. With all due respect, your 80s setting does not make sense either for a Nation in the 2070 and sounds not nearly as original. Would have simply been a grim dark setting instead of the the overcheerish irony we are able to enjoy
@@andrefasching1332 Do you mean to tell me the 80s wasnt cheery as well as bleak? Just look at the amount of Cold War media and propaganda films that were created in the 80s that still defines American culture to this day. Saying the 1950s make more sense in the year 2077 in my opinion is just as rediculous as well as not inventing the Micro-Processor. But Fallout lore essentially wants you to believe the world stayed the same as it was in the 1950s for a period of over 100 years. Now that is just rediculous if you ask me. Not saying it couldnt be but haveing nods to later eras of the 20th century would have help justify this Lore GAP.
@@mbrad9379 Do you have problems with reading? If yes, i can try and formulate it in an even easier understandable way. but first. Reread my comment. I feel like you did not process what i answered to you, only what you wanted to hear and Sigh...okay il make it easy for you 1. I said its equally unrealistic to have 80s style. You understand? Equally...funny word, i know. From a technical perspective the whole game is unrealistic. But as i said. its no documentary, its a game 2. To ignorant to accept my Harry Potter example? You too cool for this? There is a fucking reason a certain person creates a setting. The setting in the case of Fallout is set POST war with a culture that combines the post war hope of the 50s and combine it with the pre war fear of these alternative 2070. I really dont get whats so hard to understand about this They wanted to create a game with a certain vibe. The 50s Vibe is equally ironic as it is again a post war szenario and sincere as well...its post war. because i feel that you still wont understand this the 50s had hope. the had 80s fear. a game full of fear is no fun to play fallout was designed as a dark but fun game there fear+fun not fear+fear The fallout lore is already full of anti commi fearmongering, why in gods name should the developers remove the uplifting 50s vibe in order to...what? fulfill your need for a microprocessor???. No thank you. As if an 80s microprocesser could help explain all the technological wonders of the fallout univers.
@@andrefasching1332 First off who the fuck do you think your talking to. I read your shitty comment and I really dont get what your arguing with me for. Just go play your damn game and be happy. What I said needed no input from your nerd ass I was just sharing my humble opinion. CAN YOU READ? It was MY opinion NOT yours.
@@andrefasching1332 Go sip on some fuckin cool aid and calm right down because you wouldnt be taking that condecending tone with me if I had seen your punk ass at the gamestop. SO just stfu and enjoy your goddamn game I am 30 years old I dont have the time to be being patronized by you about a fucking videogame.
Dude you wrote this amazingly not only with the words you said and how you said them but also with the chain of events and how they were logical you should really look into getting some of your work into books or made into mods you'd really make a good series
What if suggestions for future videos - What if Fallout and Metro were in the same world? - What if Caesar's Legion went farther east instead of going west? - What if Aliens invaded the Fallout world post war? - What if the cancelled Fallout Tactics set in Florida happened(FEV Mutant Plants)? - What if Vault-Tec never existed? - What if the Vaults weren't secret experiments and were all control vaults? - What if the Minutemen won the battle of Quincy?
imma respond to two If the legion went more east, it would end up in louisiania or maybe as far as Georgia Florida and Bama Fallout tactics two would probably also have major parts in South Georgia, as Savannah is a major city and the Okefenokee is one of the largest swamps on earth, also 2 major rivers so???
If the Minutemen won the battle of Quincy it would if still been a costly battle however they would still be able to help out as best they can destroying raiders and mutants in the commonwealth however they would continue to decline from constantly fighting up until the sole survivor arrives Mixing metro and fallout is a cool idea, if a bit odd If the vaults weren't experiments that would allow the enclave to win in fallout 2 since they would be seen as less radical and then the enclave would take back northern California and after half a century would conquer the mainland USA If the legion went east into Texas they would of came across the Texan brotherhood of steel in which they would be quickly cut down by lazers in miniguns forcing them to retreat to New Mexico The NCR would eventually swallow the Mojave and attack the legion from the west causing the stretched legion to collapse
I wonder if ironically the Soviet Union in the falloutverse were the ones who went under major economic and cultural reforms becoming more liberal than both the USA and China due to the Khrushchev Thaw never ended as Leonid Brezhev and the hardliners failed in their coup and that the line of Khrushchev's successors gradually became more progressive
I see a lot of comments asking about the Commonwealth of China. In case it wasn't communicated well, the COC government is not Chinese, it's full of Americans. America has complete control over China, the Chinese people were literally second class citizens and were not allowed anywhere near high levels of government. The COC is not China joining the U.S., it's the U.S. conquering China and subjecting it to their will.
The confusion comes from how you stated that China would be America's 15th commonwealth. That implies annexation rather than the establishment of a puppet regime.
@@Alex_FRD ,
While I agree with the confusion, I paused for a moment too, this isn't a puppet government situation....
China was Annexed, the government in China is the United States government and not some Chinese puppet.
One section of the United States Government is just fighting internally with another, normal in commonwealths.
Hehe COC
COC? More like "G.O.C.".
Get the hint? 😏
Nucular Armageddon in starting the fallout series was doomed to happen. All choices were just delaying the enviable.
One time I played Fallout 4, the game got completely glitched during the intro and the bombs never dropped. I was stuck on the Vault-Tec platform but I guess the world was saved. Good ending?
pog
what if the early warning signs for the Great War were like Hawaii, in that it was a big false alarm
The world depends on the pre war Sole Survivor to not take care of Shaun to avoid The Great War by 2 minutes
No way I had a similar experience with the intro screen lol
At that point other locations were already nuked so... half saved.
"200,000 troops have been sent home with a million more well on the way".
Gentlemen, a man of culture has appeared.
I came here looking for this exact comment
@@LordiValimarttiwhat is this
Mean
@@notafrog2040it's a reference to Star Wars: Attack of the Clones
Sheevs go away
@@notafrog2040 it's a reference to Star Wars episode 2 in a clone factory "200 000 units are ready with a million more well on the way"
It's not a big surprise what happened... it was evident in Fallout that the USA was probably months short of full blown civil war by the end. If the war hadn't happened it would have blown up... the Brotherhood of Steel formed *before* the bombs hit when they declared themselves in desertion and got no response at Mariposa. The Enclave was already evacuating to shelters before the bombs flew... so any sudden 'victory' only would have delayed the inevitable cracks and corruption. And once they ran out of targets they'd fall apart into a bloody civil war they'd inevitably lose. The only question would be how long it took. A very good what-if.
And dont forget all the shit we learn in New Vegas! The scientists at Big MT were there during and way before the war and grew more depraved with every passing month. If the USA wouldn't have died in a nuclear explosion, they'd definitly have won the war with fucked up super weapons and bio-engineered monstrosities.
The USA had won. They through out every tiny scrap of ethics, they sold their people out and had everything ready. They had power armor, way more advanced weaponry and were bigger. China had lost which is why I think they fired first (resulting in the stuff the brotherhood of steel memoires mention being actual facts and no americanized version of the events). There is no way, that the chinese would have won. Their only chance was a nuclear war and they lost that war too.
But like you said, even without any war, the US was already so far down the rabbit hole, that any of the then arising dactions would have caused an implosion. Be it the enclave starting an uprising of an american master race, be it crazed scientists releasing their unethical experiments onto the world or be it a military uprising. From what we learn from terminals, even citizens started to rebel pre war. They were unhappy with the government.
Or look at Rober House. He might want the best for the world, but only for a world in his image. Even as a human he was methodical, calculatinf and superhumanly intelligent. He basicly forced the government into deals and had an entire army of robots built before the war with other creations of his already being present in many homes and the military. He probably would have at some point done the same thing he did to the NCR to the actual pre war government. And without the war, the chip would have arrived more or less on time and those protectrons would have been upgraded, he'd have giant laser turrets on the Lucky 38 and he could have been anywhere at any time. At that point, he would have been able to take over the USA from the inside.
Or Lorenzo cabbot and his cult fanatics, those were pre war things, those people surely wouldn't have held out forever. We know about that lovecraftian cult that almost every major buisiness owner was involved. So yeah, they would probably have started a takeover attempt at some point.
And lastly, if nothing else would have happned, the zetan aliens would have won their own war against us. That laser they have on the mothership was strong enough that nobody could ever have done anything against it in time.
So yeah in the fallout universe humanity was always totally fucked
@@Baalslegion07 Truth is, the game was rigged from the start
Really though, the comforting thing about all this is, is that this couldn't have happened. Because before even this halfway point was reached, there would be people in office that would actually care more about humanity than their proto-nazic capitalist dictatorship.
Also, the ALIENS. I was just playing Fallout 76 (they had their Alien event again) and I found a recording in the town of Flatwoods in Fallout 76 (I think the recording I found was around the area of the group of double headed cows, The Brahmins, all hang out in Flatwood). Fallout 76, which takes place 25 years after the Great War, has the recording from a guy who gives eye witness testimony that the aliens showed up about ten days BEFORE the war started and he is convinced that the aliens played a part in kick starting the Great War. He describes the aliens in the same way I encountered them in the game when I fought the aliens in Fallout 76 (with them having green skin). He definitely saw them. He also speculates that the aliens might view Earth as a series of multiple experiments that they want to conduct for whatever bizarre reasons. On a side note, there were also aliens in Fallout 3 (in a DLC) and 4 (under very specific conditions, there is a way to run into one of them... and he is NOT friendly).
You're forgetting all the scientific breakthroughs that so many labs and companies were only months away from. Breakthroughs that would have solved their scarcity problems. I mean hell. The Sierra Madre casino had matter energy converters.
Meanwhile mr house looks at the fact that he was wrong about oncoming nuclear war like:
👁👄👁
Stuffed himself into a tube for no reason LMAO
@@astonedwalrus4183 He could probably leave it this early on
@@Salt-Upon-Woundss it was made to extend his natural life, after a certain point if he leaves he’ll die.
And if he leaves early he ages and dies too
I think without the Great War house goes the route of the robobrain, it’s the only logical choice, no Great War, brain in a jar on a robot
You mean pulled his body out via a sercurotron
Huge fan of these "what if?" types of videos. Tonnes of fun to paint a picture in my head as I listen to your narration. Keep it up man!
It's like an audiobook.
My imagination builds what he's explaining based on the context
@@JonatasAdoM same
Agree
You should be getting more viewers my friend. Extremely underrated.
Can i like this comment 2x?
Damn I never noticed that he just has a few thousand views.
yknow that really puts into perspective how the BOS only got so far because of the great war
Never thought I’d see you here, Pig. 😅
Well ya, one little group of Soliders couldnt do squat without the mother of all distraction.s
hey it's Pig. glad you also watch this channel
Well I mean yeah. One unit, no matter how skilled, no matter how well equipped, can’t take on an army. They’d have eventually been overrun. The Great War saved them.
@@nikik5567 Very true. Heck, even in video games, most FPS games have you facing individual pockets of enemies rather than colossal waves of enemies. Of course, you have games like Serious Sam that DO have you facing colossal enemy waves, but Serious Sam despite its namesake isn’t meant to be taken seriously.
This was a great video. I have a scenario: What if the NCR-Brotherhood War never happened. It leaves the NCR dollar on the Gold Standard, and the relationship between the NCR and the Brotherhood more stable by the time the Legion rolls around.
This one would be a damn good one, New Vegas would be completely different with a full power NCR and possible Brotherhood alliance, good luck Caesar, and House.
A RUclips channel has an entire series about a successful Commonwealth with Brotherhood support. It's surprisingly really good
@@LucasDimoveo Which channel is it?
Thanks
@@danf3201 nexbil 01
@@LucasDimoveo Thanks mate
12:50 Was that an Attack of the Clones reference?
200,000 units ready, and a million more well on the way.
Yes
Did you mean 15:50
@@ElysiumCreator Maybe, I forgot.
I was caught off guard when i heard this lol
@@TheOmegaInitiative *Visible Confusion*
Wonderful video, but you forgot the Big Mountain Teleportation technology. If it was finished on time it would allow the US to deploy its troops all over the globe. Even teleport right on top of the Chairman. And unlike the Institutes teleportation which is based out of their headquarters, the Big MT was satellite based and last quite literally over 200 years
Is that how the Courier got to Big Empty ?
@@mharizsaifuddin7059 Yes, the Courier is teleported to and from the Big MT
House is another wild card. In this timeline, he would have had more than enough time to bring his defense grid and securitrons online.
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue I'm wondering how Nate & Nora lived in this scenario.
@@filthygaijin6566 Probably just went on to live regular lives.
Hmm, a Chinese commonwealth seems extremely far fetched, even in the crazy world of Fallout. At least one can make the argument that Canada was also an English-speaking, democratic nation with cultural, ethnic, and historical ties to the US. More likely what would happen is a Taiwanese occupation of the mainland with US forces there as "peacekeepers", while the USSR becomes the new communist boogeyman.
I agree, China should have been made a puppet or balkanized
Very much yes. The Chinese populace would never accept this. China is FAR to massive to be occupied and incorporated into the USA. Guerilla wars would be happening all over China, making holding it more costly than just leaving them under Taiwanese control or left to their fate, with the USA acting as an aide giver.
As I was thinking earlier, i think tiawan would be controlling the main land its just that America is probably controlling them. Considering just how emperialist Fallouts America is i wouldn't be surprised if America at some point managed to wiggle its way into controlling tiawan into a puppet state
Britain literally turned india into a colony
I agree, the fallout US would probably just put a puppet government that would exploit china resources to supplement the US economy, like food and other materials that the us was needing.
Man's over here running rings around Bethesdas writing team in his spare time. Absolutely awesome vid man, thank you for somehow making a Pre-War Fallout seen even more of a hellscape than Post-War.
Okay, as much as I agree I also gotta say. One person writing a thing is easy. The problem is when 2000 other people also get input on some part the script.
A test we did in high school theater to prove this was having teams write their own script, then it would be passed onto another team to be edited, then onto another team for the final draft. Like any game of telephone, you can guess how bad it turned out.
@@AllyMonsters exactly, that’s why it’s not really much to brag about when one person writes an what if for any franchise
The saddest thing about the Fallout timeline is that they had everything they could have possibly needed to save the world and usher in a new and enlightened age. Fusion power, wonder drugs that could cure almost any disease, GECKs. They had all the resources they needed to save humanity and they knowingly chose not to. They took that technology to feed the military industrial complex, twisting and corrupting all of the good that could have been done, and ultimately leading to the end times.
There’s an important lesson in that, I think. A very important lesson…
Some people would prefer to be a god of Ashes than a Lower Decks crewman of a (Star Trek) Federation starship.
@@richardarriaga6271 Kratos?
@@blasto652nah
Yes, they could have had a paradise. But that would have required giving up power.
The American leadership and elite were no enlightened philosopher - kings, no rational tyrants.
Just power-hungry egomaniacs, as short-sighted as they were evil and stupid.
They could use gecks on the irradiatiated farmlands.
They could, but there's no point, they can just plant more in non-irradiated areas.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Except that's not how farming works. I live in SD's farmlands my guy, you would deplete the soil if you tried that and kill future production. Not only that but the US has already utilized all available fertile land for farming and 3 nukes hitting farmland would be devastating.
Finally the US could've used the enveiling of the GECK's (something they could easily produce with an intact industrial base and tech sector) as a moral and propaganda win to unite the country in their favor. Do not worry citizens, even if the bombs fall we the US Government have the means to heal our beloved country and make it livable again.
Hell Vault tec would sign on cause of the boatloads of cash they would make in this.
Also Becks we’re probably only made by vault Tex for only who knows how many vaults
@@brianstabile165 if you have the designs and an intact industrial base you can literally make as many as you need.
The idea of GECK's being a rare mythological piece of tech comes from the fact that in the canon timeline noone has the designs or means to make em anymore.
In this timeline it would literally just need a funding bill signed off and Vault tec would become filthy rich hero's which the US actually wanted
@@damienmccuinn1956 huh
Also, by 2078-2079 wouldn’t the energy crisis have been completely averted through nuclear fusion? Fusion cores just couldn’t be made wide spread enough to prevent the crisis but that would have been dealt with by that time.
I agree.
Though I guess that fusion tech was accepted as second fiddle to fossil fuel
I mean they were fighting over oil. Even if America won, I doubt the fossil fuel industry would be wiped out by the Nuclear industry. Especially with Alaska being the last place to draw oil from.
Another solution: given the huge advancements made in technology, I'm not sure it would be hard for literally any country to make it to Titan (one of saturns? Moons) and bring back literal years worth of oil each time.
@@Averagemomrespecter ain't mars a lil closer than titan
@@giovannicervantes2053 Isn't the bigger problem trying to find oil on either of them? 😅
There's a non-cannon ending in Fallout 2 where the Morino family weaponizes jet addiction and takes over the surrounding areas. It might be interesting to explore that ending and see how it affects the events in New Vegas.
wouldn't go far
I remember hearing somewhere that one of the creators had said in an interview that if the bombs hadn’t dropped, that society would have collapse due to overconsumption anyways.
Tbf you’d literally have to go back 20 years at best to stop all the shit that would cause this
So we'd essentially go into another dark age?
@@Baldwin-iv445the only reason China attacked Alaska was because Alaska was literally the last oil place on earth at this point as the EU and Arab Union killed each other's resources supplies
simply occupying China would have destroyed America
which makes no sense considering that the U.S produces enough food to feed hundreds of millions of people every year and that globally there is enough food being made to feed all 7 billion people on earth several times over right now. so how in the hell can the fallout universe be having so much of a problem?
@@moviemaker2011z Overconsumption of other goods, particularly things made from plastics and REMs.
Hey I remember suggesting this.
Edit: so america took over China and annexed it? So the America of Fallout is really far more emperialist then in our timelines. So what about the Philippines, South Korea and Japan. Did America give them independence like in our time-line or are they still under American control
Most of Asia would have been controlled by China, therefore it fall to the U.S. after the war. They wouldn't necessarily gain independence, more just the U.S. wouldn't bother with them because they would mostly all be bombed out wastelands.
@@TheOmegaInitiative i guess America did give them independence its just eventually China came in and set up shop in the countries.
I asked because irl those 3 nations have extremely close ties to America. The Philippines were won/annexed in the 1890s, America effectively controlled Japan after ww2 as the nation was rebuilding, both where later made independent in the 1950s. South Korea was never actually owned by america but the United states was instrumental in the nations formation. Considering how imperialist this America is I don't it let any of them become independent.
I’m guessing that they are in a weird proxy state where they are under the United States but no one cares enough to even drop a single bit of money or police force there, so it’s like they are controlling their own regions. Just guessing this due to the other concerns of the commonwealth at the time
the US annexed Mexico and Canada. So you are right that they're far more imperialist in the fallout timeline, specially in methods of governance and expansion
@@amp5275 You do know that America annexed much of Mexico and attempted to annex Canada in real life right?
Only watched 9 minutes and I can already tell this'll be good.
it was in fact, good
One war over, a big one prevented, yet a "civil" one to return to.
Even in this timeline "War never changes".
Let’s be honest, the rebels were the only ones loyal to America
funny how fiction parallels reality.
@@christopherbravo1813funny how you think the gov is that bad
@@notafrog2040 funny how you think the government *isn't.*
@@christopherbravo1813wow, you are so unique and smart
@@RyKaj1234 Thank you kindly
I really appreciate how it's all black and white images, it's a nice detail that fits with the theme of this futuristic 50-60s esque world
"200,000 thousand returning with a million more well on the way?" that line sounds horribly familiar.
Very fun and engaging watch! This video had so many twists and turns I was left wondering how it would turn out in the end. Even with the elements you missed, this video deserves lots of recognition. You've already done a great job as is. With how much material there was to write and edit, it happens that things will be missed in the pile. It deserves both praise and constructive criticism for both better shape future stories. For one, I really liked the plot twist coming close to the final battle with the Super Mutants. Elements like that show Great War happening or not, war, war never changes. A Fallout story worthy of being told just like the rest.
I love these “what if” scenarios. I especially like the ending as it is the perfect set up for one ultravisionary man to save the world from itself.
I really do like how all the “fall out” images are just U.S world war 2 and Korean War images. It still makes the vid good tho
I feel like destroying all the robots could have solved a huge portion of the unemployment problem
That would've majorly pissed off major corporations like Rob-Co and General Atomics, potentially losing billions of dollars, and when you consider some of the higher ups in those companies had a lot of buddies in the government, it wouldn't have happened, even if it probably should've.
Destroying the self checkout lines would help jobs in our world but that doesn't mean corporations will do it. It's always cheaper to employ a robot than a human.
@@fatalpenguinful
Omfg no it would not even without self checkout there's a same amount of workers anyway. Never it was a full shop . You boomer
@@asteriusblack English speak English dam it English now
The root of the problem isn't job shortages, there weren't many resources to share with the people who held money they would earn in jobs, social unrest would likely crumble both governments even without a war.
It's interesting to mention that Fallout didn't address Russia's nuclear project and what happened to the nuclear technology sharing contract, it would most likely be pushed further than in the real world.
This is literally amazing! Everything the Fallout series is built off of is changed slightly to the point that nuclear war doesn't happen
the government was bound to be overthrown after straying too far away from the constitution and violating lots of peoples' rights
the whole commonwealth system in fallout was pretty garbage and the rebels most likely abolished it after taking control of the government, but at least the states are still united, they just lost a lot of trust in the federals after the whole shazam
When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty. Effectively the federal government betrayed the American people, the constitution. And the rights of the people. The greatest fault Is vault tec for taking
Money from the farming industry which hit the food supply harx.
I think its a really grimdark world but one after the story is done thats still gots lot of hope the decentralized nature will probally do it alot of good
in the end though, the cultural aspects that bind americans together is still there, and the federal government is still trusted in war time
thats the thing, its not really a government or state that binds people together its culture, and despite differences america would cease to exist as a real political entity but would still feel at home with other american states.
@@sovietunion7643 Honestly, this alternative timeline America is frightening.
i honestly feel like there could be a fallout game about this alternative lore
maybe it could take place in a rural small town or a city, either way i feel like instead of it being a wasteland it could be a war torn lawless region with everyone for themselves, the main goals would be to escape the state or escape america completely or find refuge in a community of some sort, as for faction endings:
militia: the entire commonwealth succeeds from the federal government and forms a unified alliance
rebels: entire commonwealth succeeds and forms a huge movement that aims to completely overthrow the Federal government
loyalist: entire commonwealth is suppressed of the rebels and militia
federal government: entire commonwealth is completely purged with every building destroyed
The Fallout Universe is fascinating, and thank you for this lengthy video. :)
The Enclave *was* the Government in the Fallout Universe.
Oh heck yeah! I already had a good evening but it just turned into a GREAT evening! :D
Thank you so much for this, my friend!
Good video, though I don’t think it makes much sense to make China a commonwealth. Imagine how hard that would be to integrate China into America. It’s not like America or the other allied powers took Germany into their countries after either world war, they simply occupied part or all of it, but Germany was still technically their own nation with their own separate government.
I think it would've made more sense to setup a Puppet Government and still have it be occupied, with American corporations set up shop. But having the Chinese completly integrate into American culture in such a sort amount of time is completly ridiculous. I liked the video, but it was REALLY disappointing to see China become what it did.
The most I could see is tiny Enclaves of Americans still being Americans in new towns and small communities but that's about it, they'd probably integrate into China, leaving only a slight tinge of America behind.
I feel like once American refuges started coming over, the Chinese would cut themselves off from America and become a quote on quote "sister" republic of sorts, but still, not really as American as America would like. China could possibly become like Switzerland and turning inward with America collapses into Civil War at home.
USA annexing Canada makes more sense.
Taiwan still existed in fallout before the bombs drop IIRC, so the US government probably didn't hand over the newly conquered territory for selfish reasons
It sounded more like a confederation than a federation (even though he said it was)
Tell that to all those countries that Stalin took back from the Nazis "All dem, I am keeping dem."
Poland, just for example, got f#cked three times, once by the Nazis, then again when the Russians rolled back west, then for terrible decades behind the Iron Curtain.
Also, don't forget, leading into Japan's ill advised attempt at giving the States a bloody nose (Pearl Harbour) they had taken over a massive part of Eastern China, named Manchuria, which included Korea. Ruled it with an iron, rapey, fist. 😔
A well fed nation is a compliant one. While the government would be able to supply unlimited energy with fusion reactors, once crop harvest start to come in from China things would calm down virtually overnight and should hold up just long enough until the bread basket in the U.S starts creating food again. I think you devalue how much Chinese crops would alleviate food burdens in mainland U.S. Just my take, and just feel like starting arguments on the internet. Absolutely loved the video! Keep it up!!
The problem is building farms to feed both the US and Chinese population cant happen over night it takes a long time and they were trying to do this. Also alot of US farms were destroyed and the goverment also became sorta evil dictators. I think long term the union of states and its decentralized nature will fix alot of the problems.
@@issstari954 as it should’ve been from the get go. The founding fathers never intended for there to be a big central government. That came later. Their idea for the federal government was basically to organize infrastructure and to command a military that would be the first line of defense to give the American people time to organize into militias.
because of Chinese and Canadian citizens becoming US citizens, the food boost from Chinese agriculture becomes completely negated by also having to feed them too instead of only the mainland
@@issstari954 Yeah, the one thing this timeline has to quietly ignore is the GECK, which can straight up terraform irradiated desert into farmland. (and pre-nuking, could be mass produced.) With that keeping people fed (and the PR boost of 'fixing the damage the commies did!' to China) the government could avoid wide scale unrest getting out of hand.
oh SHIT a one hour and 12 minute video from the omega initiative? This will be a good day!
the only thing i would ask from you is more videos. thank you for your hard work omega
The ultimate alternate fallout scenario.
yes
What about "how much dirty air does the fallout universe has!?"
@@emdeelabbeautypreneur nobody will never no.
The sheer level of detail and timescale that you go into on these while still making them realistic in that world is so cool, I love listening to these and thinking about what we could have seen in Fallout
Honestly I like this. The US in canon was quickly becoming tyrannical and violent and it deserved the atomic fire
Why would the entire nation deserve punishment for what its oligarchic government did? We already endlessly argue over whether nuking two cities Japan was just, how could there be any Humanistic case for this?
@@etrs Fallout America deserved it because its tendrils already entangled most of the infrastructure of what makes a nation; law, armies, civil, and even religion. They manipulated those events for real and made it so to serve them their wants and needs, if they continued on that path, Fallout will be another '1984' book
But because they ring the trap prematurely, their heads are now stuck in a hard place.
I know this video was quite lengthy and time-consuming (more so than your other projects, especially with having significantly less to go off of compared to your other alternative scenarios), but I think there would be a decent amount of people interested in seeing a follow-up into this New Cold War that the new US would find themselves in.
I find it highly unlikely that China would become a part of the US. We are talking about a land as larger as the mainland US, one that has a distinct identity, culture and civilization built up over millennia. One that can’t just be erased over a decade or two with consumerism which China has embraced these days and still kept its identity.
One can make the case for Canada becoming a part because shared English language, similar culture and long cooperation before the US took it over in the Fallout Universe, but China?!
Instead I can imagine the country being balkanized into different smaller states like an independent but heavily „influenced“ Yunnan, Guangzhou, maybe Tibet, Manchuria etc etc.
I mean, tbf, a new “cultural revolution” forced through by a puppet might do a rather good job of that.
I mean to be fair the Chinese government completely collapsed. That and they were essentially glassed with nuclear hellfire.
This. Divide and conquer is the correct strategy.
Idk, the CCP in the modern day has worked extremely hard to replace all ancient Chinese culture with worship of the CCP itself, it would not be as implausible as it may seem
Chinese learned how to be Mongolian in ancient times easly enough.
I find it unlikely that the Chinese would get a commonwealth 'right away' so to speak, if they even became one, it should be later on in the video. We have to remember the racism towards Chinese people and that the U.S. favored Canadians more than the Chinese. Still a great video, and I love this style!
I agree with this.
They were still racist, they made them second class citizens and only used them to make the U.S. stronger, the Americana injected into the COC was simply out of disdain for Chinese culture.
@@TheOmegaInitiative That is true now that I think about it, thanks!
@@TheOmegaInitiative the us wasn’t racist it was just the winner of the war and the winning side can decide what they do with the defeated country
@@Thememelord134 I'm pretty sure this USA did alot of horrible things to their citizens because they where Chinese. So I'd say racism
I always love these alternate timeline videos you make, they always are grim and embrace the fact that this universe is in a cracked and fragile state and that no country can really win.
Yk….I hate really long times in between videos for most RUclipsrs. But when it comes to you I know that when I wait those couple weeks I get to be pleasantly surprised by an amazing video. You just keep hitting it out of the park with these man! Keep up the good work!!!
I’d adore something in a timeline where the war never happens. Maybe important characters are born in an ironic position and important events in the wasteland have an echo in the new timeline. The biggest factions or concepts of factions would exist and have numbers beyond what they have. The BoS, new state governments, volunteer paramilitaries, Good Samaritan organizations, bandits, terrorist organizations like Caesar’s Legion, technocratic councils, vault communities, cults, the institute, autonomous robot armies, mutants and what we see of the Enclave were effectively in place before the Great War even started; they just got a different birth from the aftermath of the apocalypse. War never changes, after all.
With how crazy this alternate world is with all the fighting, I’m sure Vault Tech even still profited like hell off of it.
Glad you're still doing these unique vids
Your videos are so well-written that this one made me think that a full-on Nuclear War was for the better.
I have an idea. What if Elijah succeeds in his plans to cleanse the Mojave?
That would be a cool one
I would like to see that idea made into a video. I would watch it.
There is a nv ending for that
I think this video was well done, and emphasizes the fact that without the Great War, life wouldn't have suddenly gotten easier for everyone else. I do wonder what would've happened to Nate and Nora of this timeline, considering Minuteman is the most likely canon route of F4 I would assume he'd join the rebellion pretty early on.
They'd continue to live on their little island of Sanctuary Hills isolated from the problems of the common Bostonian folk. Hell, I see it as more likely that Nate would be a loyalist, just because of the favorable treatment him and his family seem to have recieved.
I don’t really see how the Minuteman is the “most likely” canon route.
US: The nerve of them! After all the charity they received! They have to return what they were given!
UK: The FUCK did you just say?
US: Shut up...
This truly was a second revolution.
This video is really spooky considering the parallels between the fallout universe and real-life. I understand that is not the intention behind this video, but I could not help but notice. Very thought provoking.
So realistically Mr house would get the platinum chip because the great war never happened
Yup
What if the institute was destroyed in the great war
(They can't prevent the commonwealth government from forming, vault 111 remains safe and all the inhabitants survive and the brotherhood has no reason to journey to Boston.)
These "what if" videos are amazing. Really gets my imagination going! Keep up the good work, man. I love your content. Cheers mate.
I just don't want this video to end. It's so great to listen to.
What happened to Nate, Nora and Shaun? They seemed pretty well off in the Fallout 4 prologue but Nate seems like an idealist so he might join the free states for democracy and freedom etc.
I feel Ike that’s very plausible. Though he might also not get involved at all if it meant the safety of his family. Really depends if he values his duty and patriotism over personal and moral deviances with the US government.
They had some cereal, milk, and cola. I guess that is well off compared to starvation, but worse than most US families today, even poor ones.
USA trying to join the alliance is literally what the Soviet Union tried to do with nato lmao
And it was rejected for obvious reasons. It would be like a fox in the henhouse. Russia already invaded and held Transnistria in Moldova when it "offered" to join NATO. Like you have to adhere to certain military and political standards to join.
I think this 'What if" scenario should be its own fictional world because it's that good.
15:50 "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way." Unintentional Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Reference?
This theory deserves a game
Not Fallout. Non-post-nuclear role play game.
But partially, I think we live in such world.
Are you suggesting this be a mod for HOI4 probably?
@@Sir_Lilac why not
@@JesuStRanger True…
Also nice pfp
I like that in conclusion you use the ending music what a masterpiece!
This is a really good/interesting alt Fallout history and I could see something like this happening if the Great War never happened
Awesome video and all of it fits very well with the direction of the U.S in Fallout's timeline. I always viewed it as a "What if the business plot worked?" A merging of state and corporate power for imperialist and profitable ends. The ending made me want a squeal video lol
Never thought of the business plot possibly going down in the fallout world maybe smedlely butler took the wall street bankers up on their offer
@@giovannicervantes2053 I think them going to McArthur is the only way it would’ve happened. He was very anti soviet as well which could’ve made a even worse red scare in the US
@@s7robin105 yeah maybe limited nuclear strikes on NK during the korean war?
@@s7robin105 that plus i think you're forgetting the red scares in the 30s the business plot could've been aided by butler but the bankers could've used it to demonize communists even more
@@giovannicervantes2053 More than likely, and that in turn would’ve normalized nuclear war in small scale conflicts for all sides
15:49 "200 000 soldiers with a million more well on the way" refrence
Genuinely one of the best fan made theory videos on the fallout universe! Such an amazing script and so well thought out, hats off to you
I bet the soviets were chuckling to themselves at the irony that the nation who values freedom and liberty became just like them.
Excellent Work, all of your what if videos are amazing and I've listened multiple times. I can tell you put lots of effort in, and I hope you keep up the good work. I am excited to see what you come up with next.
An interesting scenario though ultimately one I don't think woulda been possible. If China saw itself losing the war, I've no doubt the top dogs in China woulda said "if we are going down, we will take everyone else with us" which is..Well, it's what I think happened. (And what you mentioned at the start and I think you handled it well)
Many debate who shot first, why would America shoot first when they were winning?
Some theories that say what if the U.S. shot first speculate that the nukes were gonna be dropped regardless if they were winning or not, because that was the Enclave's plan all along. Other theories claim that it was actually Vault-Tec, who got a hold of a nuke and shot it at China, provoking a response, and it's supposed to be supported by the mission they assigned the overseer from Vault 76 to claim the nuclear silos in WV. Although it's all theories really
Isnt it canon that vault tech and the Enclave shot first?
The enclave and vault tech wanted to wipe the slate clean basically or maybe it was one evil then both or maybe it was an accident or even aliens so yea
Read my comment
@@steverukia6247 tbh, I simply subscribe to the fact China shot first oppose to any enclave, alien or vault tech intervention. They're interesting theories and each has their merit of course.
This is such a sick idea! An alternate history of an alternate history.
I am very excited to watch this! You're one of my favorite Fallout RUclipsrs, as you put a lot of thought into your videos, which makes them super interesting
Great video like always
Incredible work, as always. These alternate history scenarios are interesting and I'm always happy to see a new one.
Bro most underrated lore channel ever just found it and i am astonished and intreated by this alternate timeline. Tbh this lore would probably be one of the best back stories ever for a game.
Question: does Taiwan exist in the fallout universe?
Also… I’m guessing the US ignores previous holdings like Liberia, the Philippines, Panama.
Yes
Yes
Yes
In the concept art for Chinese power armour their was text on the armour saying that Taiwan must be liberated so it's possible that China invaded and annexed Taiwan like the USA did with Canada
Imo youre super underrated my friend much love
The scary thing is this sounds on brand for the US government. . . .
Imagine the water levels becouse of global warming
I wish, the enclave is a what if on the last actual wasp American government, before communist infiltration, extreme McCarthyism.
This was amazing. One of your best ideas yet!
Damn, an alternate history of an alternate history
This was magnificent, well written, well thought out and very well (voice) acted.
"Mostly independent nations... only things keeping them together being common interests and giving federal government control of the military in wartime." So literally how the U.S. was founded to operate.
Which makes sense the states run themselves but are united with a federal government only able to run the military in wartime. And the political slate was wiped clean. Thus the usa and annexed Canada are able to restore the farms with the money vault tec squandered but the USA will recover and be a land of the free. Especially since China is a free capitalist free nation too.
So I saw this in my recommendations and was like "eh, this looks neat." I was not expecting to watch a video this good. I am not even that much of a fallout fan but wow this is awesome storytelling. Thank you for making this!
What if Father Elijah won and wiped the slate clean
Nothing better than a 1 hour long alternate history video
This would make a killer hoi4 campaign
I can’t believe that I’ve never actually really asked this question before. I’ve often asked what the world was like before the Great War and have very deeply regretted that we were there but for a stupidly short and limited time. There was so much that we could have seen if we wanted.
Okay so some issues I am seeing in this video.
1: The military is portrayed to be using a Post WW2/Korean War loadout vs the energy weapons and other adv gear the US is known to deploy in the setting.
2: The agricultural crisis should've, could've, and would've been solved by the mass deployment of GECK's thus heading off the famine. Yes Vault tec would've price gouged the US on em but dear lord where is the attention to detail you normally show in these? *EDIT* I am going to add this here: Using the GECK's, which would've been easier for them with the needed infrastructure to produce them intact, to restore the areas hit by nukes would've been a massive pr and propaganda win for the Government. Just saying it makes more sense for them to use them to starve their people.
3: Another knock on the agricultural crisis: where was Big Mountain and the Mojave vault? Like these institutions were still functioning before the war and would've been used for RnD.
4: Police gear: Why wasn't the Westcoast Riot Armor not deployed in the early waves of the patriotization process? The thermals in this new conflict I am looking at?
5: Majority of the Old world nations had self destructed during the Resource wars. None of them were in a financial or militarily in any position to buy nuclear or fusion tech from the US.
6: Where was Mr.House in all of this?
He was a man with a plan and his interception hardware should've stopped nukes from touching down.
My guy you need to go back to the drawing board and redo this one and do your homework.
You cut so much out that even Bethesda left in to make this scenario work. This feels like the US was the Fallout 2 Enclave, evil for the sake of being evil.
I enjoy your content, I really do but this was subpar compared to you other work.
That's a lot of good points
Also I really really love the geck point and mister house
1 : The images are just illustrations, advanced weaponry like Power Armor and orbital lasers are mentionned several times in the video. Wether the military uses laser/plasma guns as much as they use traditional weapons has no impact whatsoever on the scenario.
2 : The GECK was designed to render sterile land into farmable, habitable land. It wasn't designed to speed up growth, crops would still take months to grow and this all happens in a short span time so the food crisis would still be a thing.
3 : Research takes years to amount to something, Big MT was active for a long time before the Great War yet despite that the US was still a shithole. As for Vault 87, it's shown in NV the technology used in that vault is unstable and turns plants and humans into flesh eating monsters. Unleashing that technology would just create giant jungle hellscapes.
4 : That wouldn't change anything, also the government doesn't hand out new gear in fear it might be turned against them later.
5 : It's stated in the Fallout 1 intro the European Commonwealth was dissolved and was reduced to bickering states, however they didn't nuke themselves. The growing threat of the US in this scenario would likely be used to paint them as a boogeyman, and be a cause to stop the fighting and unite as there wasn't much left to fight for anyway. Also it's not just Europe but the entire world, the whole of them put together could probably buy US fusion tech or even develop their own.
6 : Mr House was focused on saving Vegas and its surroundings, the upgrades contained within the Platinum chip weren't designed to stop nukes from hitting the East Coast. Since Vegas wasn't hit in this, he probably kept making billions with RobCo and Repconn (especially with the Mars mission).
"This feels like the US was the Fallout 2 Enclave, evil for the sake of being evil" For all intents and purposes, it was. America in the Fallout world is a dystopian authoritarian state that executes civilians and experiments on innocents, every piece of lore we have on pre-war America paints them as evil bastards.
All fair points.
I’m assuming the Vaults and GECKs where kept hidden away because of the “looming” threat of the USSR?
I agree with everything in this comment, I love his work but come on! I feel like this could have been way better, I mean this outcome really doesn’t seem much better then if the Great War really would have just happened. Probably even worse. I feel like in this video, the first part about the full scale military invasion of china was really good with taking out the government and everything, and taking out the BOS at mariposa was good but then it just seemed to drop. Everything you mentioned and then other stuff like how the newly occupied china would play out, I think the US would hunt down any surviving Chinese military/Government but then divide the land between other allied nations like the EU, Soviet Union, Taiwan, and maybe even Australia or something. But I think we can agree that even a somewhat corrupt US government would not be so stupid as the try to fully annex china and add 100 million more mouths to feed with the current famine in the US. And I think the first moment a USNG soldier fired on a group of civilians it would all just go to crap right then and there. And if some nukes were detonated, what about nuclear fallout being blown all over the world? There’s 10 other things I could write but my thumb is getting tired so yeah, omega initiative, I think you need to make some RUclips polls and look at the comments and take two on this one. No point in having the Great War not happen if it’s not a good ending.
This video Is amazing, You were born To do this and you Nailed it, Bravo!
I know there was a Hearts of iron 4 pre fallout mod in the works that takes place before the great war.
I really hope it gets made 🙏
Sadly it has been left almost abandoned so unless someone else does it i dont see a pre war mod coming to hoi4
@@themartian969 sad but true
I absolutely love these what if videos especially the hour long ones.
This video is great! There was so much effort put into it, and this channel.
Edit: since I see others making 'what if' video suggestions, how about a video covering what if the Think Tank escaped Big Mt, or what Elijah and the Courier teamed up. We get no in-game path for the former, and the latter could be expanded on *a lot* more than the two minute ending slide one gets if they go down the hidden path
We all want to see The Think Tank causing chaos.
PS: Is it just me or is everyone obsessed with Big Mountain?
Great channel, with so many others regurgitating lore and seeing if a game is good X amount of years later, its good to see somebody trying to make pretty original fallout content
I think the next logical step for the Fallout universe "If the bombs didn't drop" would most definitely be Space. I recently played through Nuka world again and had to go through the galactic world section because of the extremely interesting details laden throughout it's attractions about vault-tecs plans for space exploration. Bethesda's strategic spin off with Starfield looks to be the answer due to it's similarities with big corporations like those of the fallout universe making it to space. Power Armor is literally made for space conquest. Also the invention and mass integration of laser weapons all point to a world that was obviously readying itself for space travel. The decision to use nuclear power as a long term solution to energy. Rather than the world we live in today heavily dependent on fossil fuels. And lastly the mass integration of robotics. Admittedly Fallout's world not developing the microprocessor amidst all these other developments as well as THIER obsession with the 50's and it's art deco style while charming, doesn't make sense. I would have loved to see the lore expanded to a decade like the 80s and stopping there instead in terms of influence and culture.
it....doesnt make sense?
Its the setting of a game, no documentary. Same with Harry potter being set in the 90s despite the books being written later. There is a reason why a setting is how it is.
The setting of fallout with its 50s charme was to create a contrast between the ruined and painful existence of a post ww3 setting and the uplifting and hopefilled atmosphere of the 50s.
With all due respect, your 80s setting does not make sense either for a Nation in the 2070 and sounds not nearly as original. Would have simply been a grim dark setting instead of the the overcheerish irony we are able to enjoy
@@andrefasching1332 Do you mean to tell me the 80s wasnt cheery as well as bleak? Just look at the amount of Cold War media and propaganda films that were created in the 80s that still defines American culture to this day. Saying the 1950s make more sense in the year 2077 in my opinion is just as rediculous as well as not inventing the Micro-Processor. But Fallout lore essentially wants you to believe the world stayed the same as it was in the 1950s for a period of over 100 years. Now that is just rediculous if you ask me. Not saying it couldnt be but haveing nods to later eras of the 20th century would have help justify this Lore GAP.
@@mbrad9379 Do you have problems with reading? If yes, i can try and formulate it in an even easier understandable way.
but first. Reread my comment. I feel like you did not process what i answered to you, only what you wanted to hear
and Sigh...okay il make it easy for you
1. I said its equally unrealistic to have 80s style. You understand? Equally...funny word, i know. From a technical perspective the whole game is unrealistic. But as i said. its no documentary, its a game
2. To ignorant to accept my Harry Potter example? You too cool for this? There is a fucking reason a certain person creates a setting. The setting in the case of Fallout is set POST war with a culture that combines the post war hope of the 50s and combine it with the pre war fear of these alternative 2070. I really dont get whats so hard to understand about this They wanted to create a game with a certain vibe. The 50s Vibe is equally ironic as it is again a post war szenario and sincere as well...its post war.
because i feel that you still wont understand this
the 50s had hope. the had 80s fear.
a game full of fear is no fun to play
fallout was designed as a dark but fun game
there fear+fun not fear+fear
The fallout lore is already full of anti commi fearmongering, why in gods name should the developers remove the uplifting 50s vibe in order to...what? fulfill your need for a microprocessor???. No thank you. As if an 80s microprocesser could help explain all the technological wonders of the fallout univers.
@@andrefasching1332 First off who the fuck do you think your talking to. I read your shitty comment and I really dont get what your arguing with me for. Just go play your damn game and be happy. What I said needed no input from your nerd ass I was just sharing my humble opinion. CAN YOU READ? It was MY opinion NOT yours.
@@andrefasching1332 Go sip on some fuckin cool aid and calm right down because you wouldnt be taking that condecending tone with me if I had seen your punk ass at the gamestop. SO just stfu and enjoy your goddamn game I am 30 years old I dont have the time to be being patronized by you about a fucking videogame.
Dude you wrote this amazingly not only with the words you said and how you said them but also with the chain of events and how they were logical you should really look into getting some of your work into books or made into mods you'd really make a good series
What if suggestions for future videos
- What if Fallout and Metro were in the same world?
- What if Caesar's Legion went farther east instead of going west?
- What if Aliens invaded the Fallout world post war?
- What if the cancelled Fallout Tactics set in Florida happened(FEV Mutant Plants)?
- What if Vault-Tec never existed?
- What if the Vaults weren't secret experiments and were all control vaults?
- What if the Minutemen won the battle of Quincy?
imma respond to two
If the legion went more east, it would end up in louisiania or maybe as far as Georgia Florida and Bama
Fallout tactics two would probably also have major parts in South Georgia, as Savannah is a major city and the Okefenokee is one of the largest swamps on earth, also 2 major rivers so???
If the Minutemen won the battle of Quincy it would if still been a costly battle however they would still be able to help out as best they can destroying raiders and mutants in the commonwealth however they would continue to decline from constantly fighting up until the sole survivor arrives
Mixing metro and fallout is a cool idea, if a bit odd
If the vaults weren't experiments that would allow the enclave to win in fallout 2 since they would be seen as less radical and then the enclave would take back northern California and after half a century would conquer the mainland USA
If the legion went east into Texas they would of came across the Texan brotherhood of steel in which they would be quickly cut down by lazers in miniguns forcing them to retreat to New Mexico
The NCR would eventually swallow the Mojave and attack the legion from the west causing the stretched legion to collapse
if the legion went east their primary opponent would have been the BoS chapters stationed wherever they go
15:50 I saw what you did there. And it’s perfect. Great video and a little part I noticed and appreciated
The scariest thing is.... this feels closer to real life events currently unfolding than a video game what if....
I find it extremely implausible that the COC would be integrated as quickly as you present and wouldn’t just immediately collapse.
I wonder if ironically the Soviet Union in the falloutverse were the ones who went under major economic and cultural reforms becoming more liberal than both the USA and China due to the Khrushchev Thaw never ended as Leonid Brezhev and the hardliners failed in their coup and that the line of Khrushchev's successors gradually became more progressive
The Soviets watching the us implode at the sidelines
I love how you narrate it like a politician who survived the 2nd civil war, adds that much more immersion
Could you do a what if video if the Sole Survivor never woke up from cryosleep? Or what if Shaun was never taken by the Institute?
Or if the sole survivor was taken instead of Shaun?
another good hour long vid, great to listen to while i play some games