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The MG3 and its latest version the H&K MG5 come from the MG42, which is the infamous portable machine gun that started it all. This weapon was so well made that to this very day, the modern German Armed forces are still using the basically SAME flippin’ machine gun they used all the way back in World War II.
Its mechanics remain largely unchanged over the past 70 years, which shows how well engineered this weapon system was in the first place; if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The major military powers that aren’t using the MG3 are using weapons that borrow heavily from its design - that's how influential this gun has been.
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Do you guys think the MG5 or the MG5 is better?
The MG42 fired a 7.92x57 cartridge! The MG3 is 7.62x51! Its smaller in every dimension, not larger like you stated in the video
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The MG3 is closely related to the MG42, but they are not the same weapon.
The MG3 is currently replaced by the MG4 and MG5.
Make a video about the Italian Rifle the ARX 160 which is very modular 🇮🇹🇮🇹
4:06
The MG34 (developed in 1931) was the weapon that influenced the German doctrine of machine gun usage, not the MG42.
In 1942, when the MG42 went into service, the Germans had already been using their tactics for 3 year.
4:34
Not the MG3 is the latest weapon derived from the MG42, but the CETME Ameli, a Spanish machine gun chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO.
Sorry for being so pedantic, but we Germans take anything MG42-related very serious. 😄
CETME and german gun industry seem to be thight.
G3 is basically a CETME weapon.
@@Trollportphosphat Well, the CETME was developed by German engineers and they did go back to Germany later and worked for Heckler & Koch.
Yes thank you
@@Trollportphosphat it's because of the relationships built between Hitler and Fransisco Franco. Two tight nationalistic dictators. After Nazi Germany was removed many weapon makers moved to Spain one of those German designers founded CETME. The CETME 58 a lot of people say is a copy of the HK G3, but it's actually the other way around. HK got rights to produce the CETME rifle in Germany and made called it the G3.
After Franco died in 1975 and Spain became more democratic, there was no reason to ditch relations at that point so they stayed pretty close.
@@grenmoyo3968 Except that the Spanish gun was based on German wwii Mauser research and prototypes,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_45(M)
and H&K is basically Mauser reloaded.
So it's rather going full circle ...
7:15 7.92x57(8mm) mauser is a more powerful cartridge than 7.62x51mm nato. 7.62 is basically a shortened .30-06. Also wwII german ammo was usually loaded pretty hot
7,92X57
Romanian 8mm ammo is gnarly, too.
Exactly, i also wondered why he claimed it`s the other way round?
@@suprlite i knew i typo'd somewhere good catch
@@icy_red2170 I do believe it was sly sarcasm picking on NCO’s who BS their troops when they obviously have no idea. I could be wrong though
Chris Cappy looks like what you imagine a typical soldier to look like.
Love the profile picture 😏 howdy neighbor
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What crayon eating ?
@@jantschierschky3461 mmmmm electric yellow 🤤 my favorite flavor
"You look like you brought a broadsword to a knifefight." That sounds like a really good idea! What is the downside?
It's unweildy, harder to carry in a vehicle
my thought exactly
@@herperderper1554 i dont think they had vehicles when they fought with broadswords they had horses and swords work well on horseback
In extreme close melee, it's almost useless
@@kevinfeeney7371 actually they had early models of Tesla powered by electricity from the goblin wizard so they had drive bys with longbows
Cappy: "The MG42 started it all."
MG34: "Am I a joke to you?"
Joking aside, nice video.
Lol I just commented this and had to go back and delete it
Actually, the other downside of the MG-42 was it's insane RoF. It took a lot more ammo then the MG-34.
The main thing is that the MG-34 was what all the doctrine was developed around and was in use during Germany's major victories in the early part of the War. The MG-42- as the name implies- was in service in 1942 when Germany began to lose the war.
MG34 too well made ... nicely machined parts ... too much machine tool time. MG42 stamped sheet metal parts, plastic stock & grip plus a few well built internals (barrel, extension, bolt & rollers) with an insane ROF and quick barrel change. Only thing the MG34 was better at was as a co-ax & bow MG.
TRY MG08/15,
Fun Fact: When I served in the Bundeswehr as a Machinegunner, the MG3 asigned to me had an old imperial eagle with a swastika in the reciver that was just overstamped poorly and used with the new internals, since the only things that really changed that much are the muzzle device, the barrel and some bolt carrier components. As always, had fun watching your video, keep up the good work
We still have some off those MG42 receivers in our battalion (PzGren 401)
@@mightydiarrhea8649 Good to hear that, they really are almost indestructible :D
@@Ghostafaceful not like the MG5😂
I can understand why the Danes decided to not take the hk121/mg5...
@@mightydiarrhea8649 True, I think they should have taken the MG3 KWS from Rheinmetall, would also have been a much cheaper replacement
@@Ghostafaceful that's exactly what i said as we got the mg5😅😍👍🏻
You sir are one of the few left with taste🤌🏻
6:53 you got that wrong Cappy. The 7,92 (x 57) is actually bigger than 7,62 Nato.
Yeah just wanted to say too
Those are one hell of a powerful round.
In size and ballistics, it is very comparable to the .30-06 Springfield.
@@RadScorpius It's not _way_ more powerful than 7.62 NATO, but it definitely has more muzzle energy and better BC(potentially, depending on loading). It is much heavier to carry and has harsher recoil though, so pick your poison.
i think in this video are more mistakes
Fun fact: the germans figured you could, at full speed, run past a machine gun with the right timing
So they developed one you couldn't
Lol
@@bbrenddon actually one reason, other was the experience on the eastern front
@@jantschierschky3461 No, by the time of the eastern front opening up, the design had long since been finalized and was just about to be adopted. (The cutoff would have been experiences learned from Spain, Poland, and the Low Countries - maybe.) Firearms development takes a great deal longer than a few months.
@@dreadgod81 well to an extent you are right, however the rate of fire was lifted from 1000-1100 to 1500 due to those experiences
@@jantschierschky3461 Again, no. That decision had already been settled on in the interim designs well before the final MG42 was adopted. Do you have a source to support a change in cyclic rate late in development?
2:54 Funfact: The MG08 Model 1915 was so widespread during WW1 it made the term "nullachtfünfzehn" (08/15) become German slang for something being sub-par / standard. The term is still known to this day.
08/15 is equivalent to run-of-the-mill.
Thanks for using Estonian clips, my friend is a mg gunner rn and he never stops whining about his lower back : )
Fun fact, if your friend carries the gun behind his back he will have ripped abs in 2 easy training exercises including but not limited to pack marches and or going field for prolonged combat exercise. 😉
German military serviceman here. I did my time in the infantry as an "MG2" - nickname for the one carrying the ammo for the one who has the fun. Some points from my perspective:
-we had several MG42s in use. The 42 was just crossed out and the 3 was written on it, so durable is this thing
-we were told "the MG3 is 70% of our fighting power in the squad, so whatever you do don't brake it. You can die, no problem, we have 11 others for you but no second MG."
-we all (yes every 12 man in the squad) were trained to shoot precisely with it. Short bursts of just 3 bullets. The good ones of us managed even singleshots
-the MG5 is slightly heavier than the MG3 (so why even change)
-you can shoot it standing from the hip
-the carrying strap is awful (I think it's still the same as used with the MG42) we all wished a new one but it was good enough to shoot without a second lost on patrol walking
-the main job of the MG is to suppress enemy movement and get control over the battlefield, killing soft targets is the secondary goal. I can't see how you will keep doing that with a thing that doesn't shoot faster than your assault rifle or even IS an assault rifle (looking at you, USMC)...
Thats the thing, changing from the MG3 to a new MG comes hand in hand with a change of the doctrine. Because everybody seems to say "it's using too much ammo, that's not up to date anymore" and they try to change the MG into an DMR or something like that. But all our shooting training with short bursts calls that bullshit and the barrel change is made in no more than 3 seconds from stopping to shoot to start shooting again.
it still have a firerate of 1150-1300 the MG5(the replacement for the MG3 in der German Army) has 800rpm
*has not have
So instead of Hitlers buzzsaw it’s Gunters hacksaw ;)
@UCFYZolazqAzVkdo-_FSfLGQits firing rates are 640/720/800 rpm!!!
I'm a German machine-gunner an serve on both the MG3 and the HK121/MG5.
Next time do a factcheck before saying such shit...
Off course he deleted his comment😂
@@mightydiarrhea8649 is it a downside to "only" shot 800rpm?
A few things that are off in this video: 1. The MG3's rate of fire is 1200 rpm, not 800. 2. Replacing the MG3 is not going as slow as you suggest here. In many battalions the MG5 has already replaced the MG3 as the heavy infantry weapon and here the MG3 is only being used on vehicles since the MG5 doesn't fit the mounts. Most recruites aren't even trained on the MG3 anymore.
Yeah, the only countries that still use the MG3 are us NATO Baltic countries, maybe Finland too.
I don't understand the need to change it into the MG5, though. I think it's just army beurocracy trying to squeeze more money out of a new weapons order from the govt.
@@gae_wead_dad_6914 that depends on how heavy the belt your using is and the weight of your bolt since diffirent types of those were made
There is a "heavy bolt" version of the MG3 in 7.62 NATO that fires at about 850-900 rpm, coupled with a different recoil spring.
@@rubennasser6907 correct, Cappie even mentioned the heavier bolt.
@@gae_wead_dad_6914 There are several reasons. The MG5 is way more comfortable to use, has proper sights and a lower rate of fire (3 different settings, to be exact). The only thing the MG3 has going for it is a high reliability and a sound that makes people shit their pants when they're on the receiving end of that thing.
Bundeswehr: If it still works, then don't fix it, just improve it.
US Army: If it still work, let make improvement so we can break it.
Grammar
Actually is being replaced with the MG5
@@jantschierschky3461 yeah cause after like 79 years it is about time for something new, don’t ya think. Though the MG3 is still in use
@@DerDoctor69I believe modification would be in order, but system is sound and reliable. Also pretty low cost to make
@@jantschierschky3461 i‘m not debating that the MG3 is one of the best Light machine guns made, put an optic on it and slow down the cadence a bit and put a handle on the barrel and it would be fine. Although I may be biased because I am of the new generation that only got MG5 training
Some small corrections: The MG-42 had around 1500 Rounds per Minute, the MG3 has about 1200 (due to a heavier Bolt and Spring) and the MG5 has a variable firrate that you can set to 640/720/800 Rounds per Minute.
1,200 was the average.
It could do 1,500 depending on the bolt, then again, you could also get it down to 900 with another bolf, but you’re not correcting him down to 900, are you.
The average was 1,200 rpm.
The main reason the firing rate is lower on the MG3 is that the MG3 bolt incorporates an anti-bounce spring. This was to avoid out-of-battery explosions. There are also different heavier bolts tha can lower the firing rate. The size of the hole in the recoil-amplifier (muzzle device) also contributes to the firing rate. Smaller hole higher- firing rate.....
When MG3 gets obsolete :
*Hans get the MG42*
Here in Spain we are replacing the mg3 with the mg4, but the mg3 is still used in vehicles and some army squads
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(7:18) nope, the 8mm Mauser (7.92x57) had somewhat more energy and impulse, than the 7.62x51NATO. Heavier bullet, apr. the same muzzle velocity, 15% more energy. It is closer to the .30-06.
We use it in denmark too. I was an assistant gunner back in 96,though I didn't use it that much cos my gunner was an ace and he could handle reload and barrel changes quicker than if I helped him. And since I'm blind as a bat (our platoon commander nicknamed me Ray Charles), I wasn't much use as a spotter, so I was basically an ammo mule :). But yeah, the LMG, that's what we call it in Denmark, was awesome. And when its mounted on a heavier vehicle, like an m113 or a tank its terrifying and it sounds incredible. The rate of fire goes up ten notches and its a true wall of lead. But I'm sure not gonna miss those 40 klick hikes sharing that load with my gunner :D
about the replacment, nor fully correct.
The MG5 has already replaced a lot of squadbased MG3's in the german infantry units.
They will leave the MG3 as mounted weapons on vehicles and in some specific roles like for defens operations.
But overall the MG5 is the better squad based weapon.
It decreases the amount of soldiers, you need to operate it and it's much more effective in modern infantry scenarios.
The main reason to replace the MG3 are the same as with the french FAMAS. It costs to much to maintain this weapon because spareparts are noe longer produced in large numbers.
So you have a lot of fucked up MG3's in actual service.
The Problem with the MG5 is, it's not half as robust as the MG3 and you have to bend over it to change the barrel which is a lot easier with the MG3. With the MG3 you could reload and change the barrel simultaneously... not possible with the MG5. We received soma at the beginning of 2020 and until now nobody says it's better than the MG5.
@@Bullet_Tooth84 The mg 5 is more Robust than the MG 3, as example you only need to replace the Barrel of an MG5 by around 3000 rounds, the barrel by the Mg3 needs to change every 1500 Rounds. The Mg5 can submit heat easier than the MG3 because of the Design and the paint that got painted over
#MG5Gang let's goo
@@Lary-xg2un did you ever handle a MG5? If yes you would not say it's robust because it is not. It's not a bad weapon but it's no real improvement in some important points. Quite the opposite.
@@Bullet_Tooth84 the mg5 is lighter and more ergonomic then the mg3. The mg3 was build for a total different warfare and squad. The pure fact, that you can hip fire it, that you only need one soldier to operate it properly and it's way easier to carry it on patrols for example in an afghanistan setting. It's way easier to use it, when you are dismounting from vehicles. The barrle change is not that importantn, when you don't need to replace it so often. The MG3 is a good weapon but it's time as a squad medium machinegun is over. And with the flaws, well no new piece of equipment is perfect from start. And at the end, to maintain the MG3 costs to much money. It's like driving an old car, where every sparepart costs a fortune because nobody produces them anymore.
Mg42 was absolutely the best machine gun of the time when it was released for the military use. There was only one weakness which was relatively fast heating of the barrel when firing for longer periods of time.
That’s true of all MGs and why the MG42 had the quick change barrel.
The MG3s I used in the late '90s in Norway were in the 1200rpm range - (17-22 rounds per second). I can't compare with any other MGs myself, but it is a truly ferocious weapon. Changing the barrel is pretty easy, and this is done in a matter of seconds by the gunner, not the AG.
At the time we had an MG3 attached to each squad. I believe they now use SAWs at the squad level and may have retained the MG3s in a dedicated support squad.
If you used the MG3 with the light bolt, you most likely used the tripod.
If not, someone above you made a mistake.
With the bipod, the heavier bolt should be used, resulting in 800-950 rpm.
The Norwegian forces thought they could manage without the MG3, because they thought the Americans were correct about almost only using the 5.56 cartridge, so they decided to get rid of the MG3 in most cases and totally rely on the FN Minimi 5.56 for infantry use.
They did this because they thought that Russia was friendly and peaceful and that they mainly would fight against terrorists.
They moved all their MG3s over to vehicles and their home defense forces.
They have now realized that this was the wrong approach and that they really need more firepower for their infantry platoons and because of this are they now buying the FN Minimi 7.62 Mk3 that shall be given to all infantry platoons in Norway.
They have a 7.62 support squad in each infantry platoon now, using two FN MAG, but that has been a huge mistake and no one has been satisfied with using that gun for that purpose as it doesn't fit the purpose for quick movements on the battlefield and is even worse than the MG3 for that purpose.
It is as heavy and long as the MG3 and has half the fire rate and it was a huge mistake to choose that gun for that purpose instead of just keeping their MG3s for it instead.
The Norwegian forces wasted lots of money there.
The FN Minimi 7.62 Mk3 is a much better choice and I suspect they will decide to have even more than 2 of them for each infantry platoon in the future.
I suspect they will have minimum 3 for each platoon if not even 4 as that makes much more sense for defense of Norway against Russia or against other countries they will be fighting together with the rest of NATO.
@@The_Judge300 I'm certainly no weapons expert and this was over 20 years ago.
I was in several units in the Norwegian army from '97-'98 and they all had the same setup for the MG3. I was never aware that there was an alternate bolt that could be used - it sounds like the lighter bolt results in a higher rate of fire, and that we were using the light bolt. We always used a bipod. If it sounds like someone above us "made a mistake", probably the whole army in the late '90s was using the MG3 in a way that has since been changed.
One of the many great features of the design which is shown in this video (but not mentioned) is that you can attach the bipod in several places under the barrel shroud, depending how far you want it from the muzzle. The bipod can also be used as a handle (legs folded together) if firing from the hip, not that this was generally encouraged. In the winter we would sometimes tie a snow shoe to the bipod so that it wouldn't sink into the deep snow.
There was a story about one gunner who had gotten so good (during just one year of national service) that he could change the barrel of an MG3 while running between positions.
@@magnuslauglo5356
I know the MG3 very well and have shot it a lot.
I have the Badge of Marksmanship in gold with the MG3.
Maybe the Norwegian army never bought the heavier bolt and maybe the higher ranked officers didn't know the MG3 had two bolt options either.
And maybe the Norwegian army just thought it would be much easier to buy MG3s with light bolts only and just use them for all kinds of purposes.
They were not the ones that had to carry all the extra ammo needed when using the lighter bolt 😂
That is fascinating about the heavier bolt. I am just reading up on the Rheinmetall RMG 7.62 and the MG14z derivatives.
Fun fact - Sweden has the MG3, courtesy of us buying the Leopard 2 tank. We call it the Ksp 94, from the year it entered service, 1994. It could have entered Swedish service much earlier, in the fifties. We were looking for a new machine gun back then, and ended up with two contenders, the FN MAG and the MG3. The FN MAG won out, just barely, in 1958, and became the Ksp 58. But the MG3 came back, in 1994, as a vehicle mounted gun on our tanks. The FN MAG is also still in service. Two oldies, still going strong!
''Don't worry about the MG42's Bark! It's worse than its Bite!.... Assuming they have no bullets...''
Also "assuming that you are the one that has to deal with it, not me...."
i mean why not use a gun that fires 1,500 rounds a minute with controllable recoil and looks badass
Sadly the MG3 is only 1,100 RPM
@@somerandommen *1.200
@@wppz7691 * 1,000 - 1,200
@@somerandommen You take always the highest RPM so its 1.200 but it depends everytime what you are doing with it.
Because it is not as accurate and you need to stop because you don't have enough bullets after a short time...
That is the reason why the german army replaces this gun.
Any army that didn't just make the MG42/MG3 for their own army is missing out. The US Army did realize this after WW2, and even tried chambering a couple in 30 06, but never had the gumption to just do the real solution, duplicate the design. Instead they kept using that heavy, bulky, and hot .30 cal Browning until it was replaced with the MG42 clone, the M60. Which tried to copy the best features but wound up being even heavier and less reliable. In recognition of that they bought the FN M-240 - which is better than the M60 but still far shy of what the MG42 can accomplish.
I know you didn't pay attention in highschool math class but surely even you can recognize that 7.92x57 is bigger than 7.62x51
That's what I was thinking 7.62 nato is slightly more powerful than 7.92 but not by much
Nope. 7,92X57 is more powerful than both 7,62X51 and 30.06.
Cappy! What about the MG34? It fulfilled the same role, and came out earlier.
Also buddy, the 7.62 NATO is *not* a bigger round than the MG42's original clambering. How is 7.92x57mm smaller than 7.62x51mm. Come on man?
7.62x 57*
Come on man?
7.62x 57*
Come on man?
@@airpods3198 Check the chambering of 8mm mauser. It's 7.92x57.
it didnt just fill the same role it was mostly the same thing. The mg42 is nothing else than a cheaper mg34. Yeah parts arent interchangable but the desing is extremly similar
@@SchwertKruemel Probably the best way to put it is they are two different MG's, but the role remained the same. Some vehicles kept the mg34 to the end. IIRC armored vehicles were not set up to conveniently change out hot barrels. Plus the 34 had drum mags available so you didn't have ammo belts flopping around inside a tank or other armor.
The MG-3, 123cm long, 11, 6 KG and 18-23 rounds per seconds with the sweet rolling bolt design. I was lucky enough to take this guy into contact in Afghanistan. If you want to win fire superiority really quickly, you want the MG-3. Still in use by the Norwegian Armed Forces.
HAnZ GeTZ ZhE MaSChiNe GuN - some german soldier in 1944
"why are they still using this ancient MG 43 from the 50's" M2 Ma Duce is waving
1:45 the German military actually hated when the term "Blitzkrieg" came up. In their eyes it was just the perfection of the same Prussian Bewegungskrieg (war of maneuver) that they had already attempted in WW1 and before.
I wish the H&K 21 was more of a thing.
It was a belt-fed G3?
It's used as G8 in the German special forces.
@@boddjpllf4861 alot of them were purchased by the Portuguese military I believe.
@@georgewashington7312
It is definitely not the worst idea to pick a machine gun, that is based on your service rifle.
@@georgewashington7312 Portugal and Greece had licenses to produce their own variants of the HK21, but it was used by numerous other states as well.
Cappy, your funny mistakes only make you more relatable, more of a friend, and less of a snobby know it all presenter, which is what I'd probably end up doing. Just keep doing what you do.
I botched this one hope people understand I'm only human I can't know everything about the Bradley IFV and the MG3 and the F35. I make mistakes won't let that happen again though !
I find it hard to beleive that 7.92×57mm Mauser is less powerfull than 7.62×51mm NATO. Those numbers are bigger, not smaller!
well with modern powder you could load 7.62 much hotter than you could have loaded 8mm back than, but thats just theory
schwertkeks, What a gay name
Back in the day in Germany they had a law that with 18 you have to either join the bundeswehr or work in a nursing home. Well I picked the bundeswehr/panzer grenadier. Shooting the MG3 was so much fun. I was laying on a gravel ground and the drill Sargent pushed his feet against mine when I pulled the tricker the MG3 pushed us both back maybe 1 or 2 cm
You know… It’s all in the technique… I’m only 1.7m and weight around 70+kg, so not really the MG-posture. When we had international shooting and the big people came around and complained that the ex was impossible, I often got to demonstrate the technique.
But yeah, you need quite some time behing the gun to get good at it…
I used to be a MG3 gunner. Before the m60e6 took its place. Our vehicles still use the MG3.
I never thought i would miss this gun. Long, "heavy" (compared to modern mg's) and unweildy.
I personally think the weapons greatest weekness is its recoil loaded. Which means if you fire it without mass behind it to take the recoil, it will double feed. That together with the weapons length and weight distribution at the front. Makes it very hard to sustain fire from a kneeling or standing position without jamming.. and the high firerate makes precise fire kneeling and standing impossible unless you find a tree, table, wall.
I recall moving through tall grass being the worst. The high fire rate also ment we carried 750 rounds... vs 500 on the m60. Any way that said... having this on a good position and its a true pleasuere to field and very accurate with the bipod
If you use the heavier bolt to slow down the rate of fire to 800-950, it will not jam when standing or kneeling if you hold it correctly.
I have fired many tens of thousands of rounds with the MG3 in all sorts of positions and never experienced it jamming when using the heavier bolt.
"Precise" fire while kneeling or standing is not that hard either if you make sure to clip the bursts short.
I have always preferred to shoot quick 2-3 shot burst for maximum precision in all sorts of positions.
Taliban for sure didn't like it.
@@The_Judge300 well we didnt have the option to slow down the rate... i dont even imagine how you would do that besides changing the buffer spring maybe..?
@@Ph33NIXx
As I wrote.
You would have to use the heavier bolt in it.
The light bolt gives the MG3 a fire rate of 1000-1200 rpm, but the heavy bolt gives that MG3 a fire rate of 800-950 rpm.
Maybe your country or unit didn't have the heavy bolt.
I know some talk about slowing the rpm some by having a bigger hole in the flash hider and booster cone, but I have no idea if that is true and if you might risk getting more jams doing that.
That said, is it still possible to keep good accuracy and avoid jamming when shooting while kneeling or standing with the MG3 if you hold it correctly and manage to clip the bursts short.
2-4 shots in each burst is in my opinion ideal.
@@The_Judge300 oh right i missed that part. Sorry.
In the Danish army we only had one bolt option... I don't remember the exact numbers for the firerate we had, It is 7 years ago i was using the weapon, before it was replaced by the M60e6 in squat use.. But I know it has a higher rate in the armored vehicles, solely from it being fixated more firmly than a human body can xD.
But the 1200 rounds number rings a bell to me. And with those numbers you had really hold it tight at stand firm not to get a failure to extract.. short bursts.
Any way... loved the weapon any way. Had to carry more ammo though. That was the biggest difference going from the Mg3 to the M60e6 - With the Mg3 in reconnaissance role I was carrying 500 rounds standard, and in the infantry it was 500 rounds ready and 250 rounds extra in the bag.
With the M60e6 I would carry 300 rounds in the reconnaissance and 500 as infantry.. which did make it easier to run around... and you couldn't shoot it in a way that it wouldn't function (being gas fed) - I actually think the quality of MG gunners fell when we got that weapon. The MG3 punishes you if your not doing it right.. the M60 doesn't.
but man opening up with the mg3 from a concealed position... I have a fond memory of an exercise in Slovakia where we were doing SoF support and we had both the m60e6 and the mg3 mounted on the vehicle (Mercedes GD) The squat would move down the street in our two GDs with 4 mgs raining hail. 2 mg3 in the passenger seat mount, 2 Mg60e6 over the roof it was awesome. (although i think had it been real conflict, it would have been spicy.. the firepower would probably have suppressed well, but being in a light skinned vehicle it would have meant death if it dint.)
Any way... That went out a tangent.. hope you dont mind x)
Actually, the higher rate of fire 1200+rpm is one of the advantages of the MG42/MG3. We all know that rates of fire
A truly frightening rate of fire. Imagine being the person facing it 😬
WW2 flashbacks
It really wasn’t that fast, there were so many other firearms that fired much faster that were made during the second world war.
@@hdexotic1914 for example?
@@hdexotic1914 I can't think of any and I've following WW2 for over 50 years. What is humorous(sort of) is the films the US Army made to poo poo the MG42 effectiveness. Word got back to draftees in the States about the 42 and really spooked the guys so bad they needed a propaganda film to calm their nerves. Its somewhere on Ytube.
Don't forget the german belt fed light MGs from WW1, like the MG 15nA, MG14/17 and lMG 08/18
Damn I missed my favorite Spare Parts CO. Welcome Back Cappy!!!
0:39 there used to be a French state TV program that used that very same trick, and it was also an educational program about various things including spaceships or even cannabis. The TV program's name was C'est Pas Sorcier, and it was one of the most beloved programs on French TV ever, especially beloved by school teachers
When I first got trained on the mg3 I hated it because there's this like small finicky metal sleeve at the front of the barrel that you have to take out for disassembly and I guess I was just too stupid for that so the instructors were always mad at me for taking too long.
The MG3 is a fun low caliber plinker which children could enjoy playing with and be active outdoors.
Ahh the MG3; one of the few machine guns I've had the pleasure to fire.
Left me grinning like I'd just won the lottery.
You sound like you’re a weirdo in real life
Like someone who reads harry potter or rights in his journal about his crush
Are GPMGs not the most fun!? I love them!
2:49 MG34: Am I a joke to you?
I noticed you called it a heavy machine gun. In Denmark it is defined as a light machine gun 😉
When in fact it's a GPMG.
In the US military it is also a light machine gun. And a medium machine gun. And a general purpose machine gun. But NOT heavy machine gun. The gun needs a bigger caliber before it can be called heavy, like 12.7x99.
Unfortunately, this channel often gets such details wrong. For example, he also said the MG 42's 7.92x57 round is less powerful than 7.62x51, while it is the other way around... Oh well.
Thanks for highlighting our MG3. I shot during my service in the Bundeswehr. On Lafette nice to shoot but standalone terrible to control. I'd prefer a lower rate MG5 with scope. Less amo waste. Regards from Germany.
Sorry, but the first multipurpose gun was the MG 34
ruclips.net/video/E-KgQ-OZJZ8/видео.html
It was better than the 42 in many respects, but the 42 was much easier and cheaper to produce ...
Also, the rate of fire was brought down from 1500 (MG42) to 1200 (MG3), NOT 800.
800 is the max rate of the new MG5
ruclips.net/video/PpdxPw2WC0o/видео.html
The MG3 is getting phased out right now, since 2015.
ruclips.net/video/hDYb6ICZHo4/видео.html
Where it continues to serve (besides some depot guns for full on war mobilisation) is as a coaxial MG on Leopard tanks and on some APC weapon stations.
On such vehicles, the high rate of fire is a plus (and the additional weight not a concern). New weapon stations for new vehicles are built to accomodate the MG5 (or MG4) instead.
Oh, and the MG4 is getting improved to MG4A3 standard.
ruclips.net/video/5clYSdbpEgA/видео.html
As for "money issues", I'll note that German military expenditures were at 1,2% of GDP in 2013, before Crimea. Since then they have gone up every year (both in absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP) reaching 1,6% of GDP in 2020 (and no, Trumps bullying had nothing to do with it; if anything it made German lawmakers more recalcitrant of buying US stuff like th F18 or CH 53K).
Another 5% increase was budgeted for 2021. Since the official economic forecasts (and tax predictions) for 21+22 were increased in April, we might see additional money spent on the military this year (esp FCAS).
It was so nice to fire the MG3 at the German Army.... still today on training areas you will hear the different between the MG3 and all other MG's
It was called The *Hitlers buzzsaw* for no reason.
Wasnt*
Ah, the MG-42. Shicklegrubers jigsaw? Chopcutter? Buzz gun? Hackchopper? Something like that
The speech made me motivated
During my time in the German Forces i was a trainer for foreign weapons, specialised on MGs. By this way i used a lot of different Guns. Mostly Mg 3, Mg4, Mg5, MG 42/59, GPMG, M2, M240, M249, RPK and PKM. But honesty i liked the Mg3 the most. That thing never let you down. The only drawback was the firerate of 1200rpm. Cool iff you know how to use it, but other forces like the US had trouble tot adapt. Just simply because their tactics are orientated to slower firing guns. The replacement was sadly necessary because most of the guns already are almoust 70 years old.
The "Blitzkrieg doctrine" though mostly a myth wasn't evolved around the MG. It was evolved around the tank.
No offense but your videos always have a lot of very obvious errors. You should let someone check your scripts.
nobody asked
@@norcal9168 and I didn't answer any question...
..around the tank and even more around the Opel Blitz trucks from GM^^
@@comsubpac nobody told you to answer a question
@UCGlM1ag0QmW8Lc4pg35GEhg I recommend the book "the Blitzkrieg" myth. It was never a military doctrine.
I was an 11B secretly listening to Taking Back Sunday on my headphones via my iPod in the barracks. It was a secret that had to be kept at all costs.
Booger hook. I'll never forget that one. ROTFLMAO.
And never forget the Staubschutzklappe...
Honestly this thing was soo heavy. But once you are in position and your Staubschutzklappe (Dust protector) was closed until then you enjoy god mode..
As a Canadian, the main thing I get from this Video is some nation out there stole our uniform lol.
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Some of the clips he had, had soldiers in a clear rip off of CADPAT
True
@@dodoDodo-of6pu CADPAT is pretty different from ESTDCU
M62 aka MG 42. Has been in the service of the Danish army since 1962. Still used on vehicles. When I was an MG shooter for several years in the Army. It eats everything and never stopped. Got on a drill steel wire in the ammunition straps, it went down in shooting pace, but otherwise no problem. When the steel wire was hacked into pieces by the lock. Shot the perfect one again :-)
"haha mg43 go brrrrrrr" -hans 1942
Wow a funny joke that i’ve never heard before! Wow it makes it funnier because your making fun of A war Veteran! God bless america and all of that shite!
Doesn't even make sense but okay.
“And not letting your weapon over heat”
MG3/42:“Oi I was designed to have a swappable barrel for a reason”
There are a lot of things Wrong in this Video, please re-do it. Its like you put no effort in for the research of this Video. The things that are just plainly wrong show this.
I wont go into speciffics, enought people have done so in the comments. I wont watch any further Videos of you, since i now cant be sure if what you say is true in any way or form.
P.S. if you try to say a foreign word in a Video, please practice before you film it. Its not a "meschnschweier" its a "Maschinengewehr" and it was just soo far off its incredible.
I made some errors here thank you for the corrections. great catch. I was traveling this week to test fire the 6.8mm NGSW prototype and I rushed the script / editing on this one. I messed up and I'll work harder to make sure it doesnt happen again.
Fun fact - danish squads where issued the MG3 in Afghanistan. The Gunner actually lost height, due to the weight of the and ammo, they had to haul on patrol to feed that monster 😂😂😂 kind regards from a former MG3 gunner
The Danish army used to run these bad bois too, until they replaced it with the M60E6.
Same with Norway, but they are falling to pieces at this point. We've for now replaced them with FN MAG and MINIMI in many cases, but I have to admit I'm rather jelly on that E6.
When did that happen? I was in the service in 96
cappy my friend i work for 5 years with this piece of machinery the rpm is around 1200 not 800!
7:06 Not sure how a 7.62 x 51mm 147gr 2559 ft lbf (3470 J)is bigger or more powerful than a 7.92 x 57 198gr 3021 ft lbf (4096 J)
Like the M2HB "Ma Deuce" if it isn't broken don't "fix" it, just add a few improvements. Basically if you're not in the PLA, your full-power 7.62 mm GPMG is probably a MAG/M240/L7, a PK or a MG42/MG3 descendant.
MG3 is so sexy
Dude.... so true...
L.M.G.s & G.P.M.G.s dropped the bass so hard back then, like "Whassup !" and just popping...
Video after long time.....
Really nice quality videos....
And your humour....
Keep posting... Love this channel
Has one with 1954 stamp on it in BASIC Training. Works great After all these years
Dude.. I love the channel, but.. 7,92 (8mm Mauser) is much larger (both diameter and length) and much more powerful than 7,62x51 NATO. It’s essentially a .308 Winchester, which is essentially a .30-06 shortened in length. It’s still a great cartridge, absolutely. But it is certainly weaker than 8mm Mauser (7,92x57mm)
he got the rate of fire for the MG3 wrong too
The high rate of fire of the 42 was also a bit of a problem: higher spread angle. if the target was small, all the bullets going outside are wasted. So the 3 geared back on rate of fire.
Multiple mistakes in the video. Recommend you fix them. Something as basic as stating the 792x57 is smaller than 762. Hate to say it but wondering if you were actually in the military as someone who was or even an avid shooter can tell the difference. Please consider reuploading with corrections
I’ve been a mg3 shooter for almost 3 years now. Would not trade it for anything 😍
Only a mg shooter knows the feeling I’m talking about!
What is not to love about it?
Only one thing, and that is to carry it up and down hills with all the ammo you need for it.
Shooting with it is fantastic.
I have been trained on and have instructed the use of many different infantry weapons and it is one of the most fun of them to use.
0:12 why mg3 with US?
cross training...
It's a fuckin image, it's not even real
I think a heavy weapons squad existed before the MG42, I'm not saying this particular gun is responsible, but The Chauchat squad consisted of 2 men to later 4 man squad which was made prior to the MG42. The idea of a Machine Gun Corp goes back to ww1 around 1905-1915, where British thought Machine Guns were not appreciated as much so I wouldn't say the MG42 invented a heavy weapons squad, but revolutionized it.
Well the MG34 was first multi-purpose, could either in light or heavy. Light MG was a thing already in 1914 with the Lewis. Good old Cappy made a mess out of this one
not first
Second
The 1919, the Madden, the Lewis Gun, the potato digger, the BAR, the MG 08-15… Many light machine guns pre-dated the MG34 or 42. Common man it was like watching a high school presentation.
The thing is Mg34 wasn't first LMG, but universal machine gun.
Also I have trouble calling m1919 light
@@juliuszkocinski7478 even if you exclude the 1919, the Madsen fits the general purpose roll and was copied widely as a result. Everyone wants to give the Germans credit for something they essentially copied. Copied with great effect, the 34 and 42 have shown that, but copied none the less.
I mean hey, there's worse things Germans could've kept from WW2. :V
Prob. the only good thing
@ Task& Purpose
Hi Chris! I'm a former panzergrenadier (mech inf) soldier of the german bundeswehr and I really enjoy watching your vdeos, they have great Information and also great humor! Especially the intro of this video was awesome!
But in this case, some faulty info found a way into this video.
Concerning ammo and rate of fire: the 7.9x57 mauser is by 500 joule and with a bigger bullet way more powerful than the 7.62. Also the rate of fire wasn't lowered that extensively, it stil has 1200rpm. But they built in the so called "nato- bremse" (nato brake), that prevents the rate of fire getting faster than that in long strings of fire as it was the case with the mg42. The mg5 has 800rpm. Maybe you mixed that up.
ConcerningLength: yes, its quite long, but its not longer than a m240 and is only 8" longer than the m249 or the mk48. So "twice as long" is a bit of an exageration;)
Concerning the mg5: its a bit of a clone of the m240 and per se a good machine gun, but has no real advantages over the mg3.
It wold've been cheaper and more effective to upgrade the mg3 (ook up the mg3kws!). Or they could have bought something way better, like a mk48, negev ng-7 or m60e6.
So yeah, this were my corrections;)
Keep going with the good cotent👍
I really like shrimps
Is it you, Bubba?
You survived Vietnam?
@@Betterhose maybe ;)
goat guns are one of the few ads that i lkie and wath the full ad, even better when Cris does the ad, i wish i was a goat to use those guns.
I like it !!! MG3 !!!
The first 30 second are the same as my first day as a profesional soldier. But I had the original. The MG-42. For 8 loooong years.
First !!!
Third
Have a cookie.
I like how u show estonian soldiers carying and using the MG3
I like how every Army has that one weapon that they've been using for like 70 years
Basically the weapon of my grandfather and me. In between was the German Democratic Republic and some development. The GDR came and went, the MG stayed.
Kind regards from Germany.
Trench Warfare was because of artillery, not machineguns.
Furthermore, the MG42 is not the first manueverable MG.
Tank division doctrine is what caused the blitzkrieg tactics, not infantry squads.
The MG3 is the standard LMG of the Greek Armed Forces. It is license built by EAS in Greece and it's rate of fire is given as 1150 +-150 rounds per minute. The gun is a bit heavy at 11.5 Kg wit a tripod that weights 11.8 Kg and it is crewed by 3 men. It is a very reliable weapon since the action is completely mechanical, no gas system. Here are some videos from Greek army use :
ruclips.net/video/AaNFO5WfIS4/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/NX6OOTnZmJ8/видео.html
can we take a moment to appreciate the production quality of this video?
If had to choose a general purpose mg it will either be MG-42, or PKM.
I thought the MG42 was created to be the cheapo, no frills alternative to the MG34. It had nothing to do with helping create Blitzkrieg, the gun didn't even come into existance until 3 years into WW2. The clue's in the name.
Apart from some other minor mistakes, "bringing a boradsword to a knife fight" isn't a disadvantage, quite the contrary. Range is a big advantage with bladed weapons. If you don't believe me, ask the many HEMA related channels on YT or any sword fighting/fencing instructor.
In that old video, they compare the MG34 and MG42 with the M1919A4 and A6. They forgot to mention however, that you would probably be issued with a BAR instead.
I guess someone allready mantioned it, but the MG3 still has a rof of over 1200