TITLEIST T300 vs COBRA KING SZ IRONS -REVIEW/SHOWDOWN
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- COBRA SZ IRONS Review
TITLEIST T300 IRONS Review
It’s Saturday Night Showdown with myself (PGA Professional) and Lee Whittaker (12 Handicap). In this video Lee and I will be reviewing the COBRA SZ IRONS along with the TITLEIST T300 IRONS. We will be giving them a score for looks, feel, sound & workability and running a yearly table on all irons we review in 2020. Join us as we talk you through our personal thoughts on these clubs which will hopefully help you when it comes to purchasing your new irons.
Thanks for watching and please comment below.
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The number on the bottom of the club is immaterial. The only relevant thing is how far you hit a particular club. Manufacturers should just make clubs with the degree of loft printed on the bottom and forget the numbers
Love the channel. I think you guys are missing a key point when talking about the lofts. To Lee's point that it makes no sense to him to have a club that is meant to get the ball in the air. But at the same time being strong lofted. A huge factor for that is these clubs are meant for someone with very slow swing speeds. The strong lofts get the distance they need and the big low cg gets it in the air.
two shots with the Cobra on the green, two great strikes and nice flight = not going in the bag cause you dont like the bling. Shame people get stuck on brand snobbery.
I would agree though that you could get a flier with the cobra, however you could get the same flier with the titleist
Very true, especially about the brand snobbery.
Yeah it just makes me not want to watch another review from them. Personally I don't like blingy things either but I think the top looks fantastic. It's not blingy to me it looks more like a modern carbon fiber
@@ikigai47 It is carbon fibre...imagine not checking out what it is before doing the vid !!
I love my T300's had them for 3 months now and love the look behind the ball, gives me a lot of confidence
I just started playing for the first time a month ago and had the Speedzones custom fitted. They're great for someone who has never picked up a club before! I love the Carbon Fiber top because not only does it look good but it gives me confidence over the ball. The lofts are 4-19d, 5-21d, 6-24d, 7-27.5d, 8-32d, 9-37d, PW-42.5d, and my gap is 48d. I also have the speedzone Xtream 10.5d driver, the speedzone big tour 15d 3 wood, the speedzone 2h hybrid, and the 52 and 58d MIM wedges. Love them all and for a pure beginner they are awesome!
In my experience with the F9 clubs, unless you have a swing speed above the mid 70 mph you might as well stop with the irons at the 7 iron and use hybrids. You may well get gapping issues with the longer irons/ low flight trajectory.
Lee, they have to deloft them because the technology of MOI and lowering of the weight on the clubs mean that, with traditional lofts, they would shoot straight up in the air.
Why not let Dan do a test and see if that is actually the case?
I don't see reviews penalizing blades for being unforgiving so why penalize a GI iron for being game improvement??
Strong lofted clubs like these aren't meant for players with good ball speed. They're more suited for players with lower swing speeds. The strong lofts helps them maintain ball speed. Coupled that with the low CG it gets the ball up in the air. That combination produces higher ball speed and launch.
People complain about jacked lofts but they're not the market and personally I could probably benefit from them if I put my ego aside (I'm not getting younger). But strong lofted GI irons aren't new. They've been around for years. Doubt they'd keep making them if they weren't selling. And I definitely know a few weekend golfers in my club who can benefit instantly by using these clubs and probably enjoy the game more as a result.
100% agree mate me included I'm 50 yrs old and play off 6 and am starting to lag behind my younger playing partners so i switched to the cobra sz irons in January. I would never go back to blades or players irons as these cobra are a game changer for me. Bought them in January and i love them. My scores are no worse at all in fact I've lots more confidence with them and my distance obviously is one club less to greens but i don't care at all.
Sorry Guys, but there is an issue here. GI clubs are not designed for Pros & low handicap golfers they are designed for golfers with slow swing speeds who struggle to get the ball airborne. So you two testing these clubs and bringing your "mindset" of what an Iron should be is giving a skewed analysis. It's like giving a Blade to a high handicapper and asking them to judge the Blade on the performance that they get with the Balde, the results and analysis are going to be flawed.
Yes, you really hit the nail on the head. Their conclusions are so off since these clubs aren't targeting them at their skill level. I would also add that they make the T100 and T200 series for these guys. So, if they can't step outside of themselves in to the shoes of a mid-handicap golfer, why bother doing GI club reviews at all.
What a load of crap! Pro's can review whatever they want. How many club reviews do you think these guys have done from all different companies? Just a simple thank you. Well done & move on!!!
@@matty7901 Sorry that you don't agree with my comment and of course Pro's on YT can and do review whatever Clubs they wish to. But whether you agree with me or not there is a potential issue when Pros test Game Improvement Clubs that aren't designed for them, there will tend to be a biased/skewed conclusion because that particular Club is offering tech features that aren't to the liking a Pro Golfer.
@@banditbaker1675 exactly, it's like taking a mini van to a racetrack and judging it as you would a racecar.
Did a custom fitting and ended up with the t300 and I am so happy with them. I ordered 1 degree weak loft som my 7 iron is 30 degrees.
Just ordered the Titleist T300, as I write this I’m awaiting delivery, found your video really informative. I have to ask why on earth you haven’t got three or four time more subscribers is beyond me.
The cobra's blow the t300's away.
Really appreciate the review. These are the exact 2 sets of irons I'm considering upgrading to.. Have always played Cobra but based on this will likely be upgrading to the Titleist
Game improvement irons that you completely refuse to judge as a product for it's intended audience. Slower swing speeds and beginners that hit all over the face and yet neither of you bothered to think about these clubs in that way. Pretty sad....who gives a damn about commentary of an iron and how it looks or it's loft compared to a blade? You both completely disregard the engineering behind these clubs and the intentional results built in. If you two were in a pro shop you would literally talk people into $1200 sets of irons that they could never control because you'd spend 80% of you time telling them about a freaking "top line" that does absolutely nothing to help them improve their mis-hits and game.
I completely agree with you, these club reviewers always talk about top line and how great blades are even though probably only 10% of golfers should be hitting blades if that.
These guys should play two rounds each with their own set and then play two rounds with the SGI irons and see which one comes out on top. ( Trying to see if even a pro can benefit from SGI) I'm almost positive after 36 holes with each set that the SGI comes out the winner. (unless they sabotage themselves on purpose)
To Add to that: I swing pretty fast. I have a fairly low handicap and I love my new Super game improvement irons. I just switched from a forged gamers CB with a reasonably compact head to a cast Super Game improvement iron set. I was struggling with my ego until I dropped four strokes and felt like every shot was climbing higher and going straighter. My driver head speed is approx 110 mph. (Play X flex in driver) I have no trouble getting the ball in the air nor do struggle for distance with any club. But...Why wouldn't someone make the game easier...It's hard enough already. I now play a regular shafted light weight (D1.5) Super Game improvement set. I don't care how looks. The confidence over the shot is addictive. I'm never going back.
Mike Newton actually LIKED the "bling" on the top of the club and gave it great reviews for what it is. That said, Rickie Fowler and Rahm carry game improvement irons (one each)! I shoot in the 70's most days with my Ping G 400 driver and Callaway XR OS irons. Why would I want to play clubs that are harder to hit just because they "look" better? Ego is not your friend in golf. Play whatever allows you to have more fun/better scores is my motto.
I agree. I have the SZs, and the top bling part is not distracting, my mind is busy with everything else (posture, swing technique, holding the club correctly etc), focusing on the pattern at the top of the club is not even remotely on my mind lol. As for the confidence thing with the bottom back being visible or not makes no difference to me. All this confidence speak seems strange, but that might just be that I don’t get golfing quite yet. Seems to me, at first glance, that good golfers are the most insecure people in the world 😄”Oh, heavens! I can see the back of the club a little, well that’s my confidence out the window”. 🤣
Hi Dan enjoyed your video thanks. Are hot spot shots just the very centre of the face or just an anomaly of springy faces ?
Not keen on the backs of the t300 the old ap1’s look better. As for the top edge for me it’s better than the ap1’s. I play the ap1’s and get slightly distracted by the top edge but the numbers I get are spot on for me. So I’ll be sticking for now.
Just bought the T400’s and LOVE them! Absolutely fantastic!
I got a set of F9 irons as I didn’t like the look of the speedzones. Both felt very similar and performed well but the top line distracted me too
Only catching up on this vid now, great stuff as always from you both :) I tested the t300 last summer and absolutely loved it, seeing a club stamped with 7 going the height of my seven iron but the distance of my 6 was incredibly enticing for me as a high handicapper.. if money was no object I'd have these in the bag in a heartbeat, at the time budgetary constraints dictated I could either buy half set of t300 or a new driver.. and i opted for the big stick instead, a choice well made as my ts2 is absolute pride of place in my golf bag. I know price is a relative term depending on individual circumstances, I think for future showdown vids however (after lockdown obviously) you should consider mentioning the RRP of the clubs, doesn't have to be a factor in the scoring of them but would be an interesting extra little nugget to have ... keep up the brilliant work 👍👍👍👍
is/should cost a factor for who these are aimed at? sz £99 per club - t300 £115 £16 differec per club, but you get cora connect at about £250(free) with cobra clubs which is an asset to a "game improver"
Been waiting for you all day thought we were having a barbecue today,,,,, Happy Birthday,,,to the Mrs,,,,,,😎
Dollar Bill Clinton funnily enough we did have a bbq 👍
Great video Dan. This whole argument around loft would surely be dealt with by all manufacturers agreeing to rather than putting numbers on the bottom. why don’t they just use lofts like Ben Hogan? Be interested to hear your s and lesters view? Keep up the videos. love them.
Any chance you guys can review the Wilson D7 Forged irons 👍
I think you should review every club in its category, like super game improvement, game improvement, and players clubs, otherwise only the new blades will score high.
Agree . . . I like these guys but it certainly comes of a tad snobby.
Got really into golf last summer and was able to get Wilson clubs at wholesale cost through my job a badminton and tennis pro shop we get Wilson racquets and my boss let me buy clubs through him. To not have a 21 degree 4 iron I can’t hit I got a 5-GW set of the D7s and my 5 iron is basically a 4 iron so I then go to a Cobra F8 3 Hybrid and 3 Wood and my gapping works well that way and I can actually hit the 23.5 degree 5 iron. Can’t wait to get lessons this summer and break 90 consistently eventually
Playing the cobra added more distance as far as looks I like it nit hitting my rescue club as much punching the 5 iron
These reviews are great. The two of you do a sincere analysis which is worth watching.
Very good comparison, I play older cobra irons and if was deciding to change I would look at the titleist irons they always look good and perform great. 🤜🤛
Other than on you tube channels I have never heard a golfer talk bout top line thin or thick. All I hear them talk about is can they hit it
Any chance of you doing a review of the SZ One Length?
I have the T200’s in gap-5 i. Love them and was thinking of getting a T300 in the 4i.
Fred Knapp definitely try it 👍
The hybrid revolution is why clubs sets aren't 2 or 3 -P anymore. Most people buying clubs won't hit 2 or 3 iron these days as they will use a hybrid or rescue club.
I would use Arccos if we didn’t have an off-season here. Can only play late April until mid October here cuz of the winter so I can’t justify paying $100 a year when I’m only golfing half the year. Wish their subscription wasn’t so damn expensive
A better comparison would have been for you to use the T400 irons instead of the T300 series. Just a thought. Thinner irons are going to be more appealing for higher level players like the both of you. So, the T300 has an advantage right out of the gate based on your preferences.
Late comment on this video...im 9 h' cap but play the SZ because i have slow swing speed....the 8 iron down doesn't have the cut out and looks good behind the ball...the performance is great....one thing no body ever talks about with strong lofts is the length of shaft...so you may have 5 iron loft....but its much easier to hit in 7 iron length...and the peak heights mean it stops ok
Now the rub...im going to sell mine just because i dont like how they look...i hate plastic in the back of golf clubs...thought i could get over it but i cant stand how they look in the bag...which i know is a stupid reason to change😂🤣
Love these comparisons chaps. Keep it going!!
Kyle Ridgway 👍
Really appreciate the club reviews w/ Lee...well done 😎
Brian Bernstein 👍
@@DanHendriksenGolf shouldn't they all be game improvement irons? are we to purchase game dilapidation irons. that moniker is a joke
My concern is performance of the clubs. And regarding this, the Speedzone is better. OK, its fine to play with a good loocking golf club, but it's not my main concern.
Lee the sound of that first iron shot sounded like a James Wiltshire strike
Game improvement irons give higher handicap players more confidence. Not sure of loft debate, again, most over 15 handicap don’t care about loft, just distance. Don’t know what’s right or wrong. Be interesting when you have the discussion with R&D at Titleist
Excellent review! I prefer the Titleist T300 for looks and feel
Dan/Lee can I ask your opinion on something. I'm a 14 handicapper, I've had the odd round as low as 9 so have potential to get better.... My ball striking is pretty good.
My normal everyday clubs are cobra f7 one lengths... I have LW- 3i and honestly I love them. End of last year I bought an old school set of mizuno tp-9s and had them refurbished just as a bit of a treat to myself.
I've not been able to commit to so much 18 hole golf over the last 2 years, so have just joined my clubs par 3 course for the coming season. Holes are a really varied mix of 110-175 yards and I'm hoping to be able to play twice a week for the coming year due to a change in work/life balance.
So here (finally) is my question.... Would you commit to playing the tp-9s regularly with the idea that I'll "have" to improve further by playing with them. Or stick with the game improvement level cobra one lengths and accept the help they give me?
Cheers for the great content. Adam.
Adam,
It's a difficult question to answer. The reason I say that is, if you love the Cobra One Length and play well with them, then why change? Going into the Mizuno and struggling initially wont improve your golf and may make you hate the game. I'm a big advocate to fitted clubs and the only way I'd say to change is if they are fitted for you.
Alternatively, you can use the Cobra and every now and then practice with the mizuno. But ultimately it comes down to consistency of strike. If your hitting centre on cobra you will hit centre on most other clubs. If your missing centre, stick with a club that will help with that. Only change in golf if it improves your game. Those are my thoughts mate.
@@LWG thanks for the quick reply.
That does make sense, I'm hoping to play 18 hole full course golf once a month so would use the cobras then.... But I like the idea of challenging myself with the blades and in my mind they could help me improve over the next year.
What about hitting the t300 with swing speed around 80?
yeah, but if you hit one in the rough and you need to hack it out with distance, that cobra is going to be way easier to get up and out than a bladed iron.
Titleist all days Dan the Man it's awesome
Lee, I think you need to compare apples with apples regarding to lofts. I am sure you are aware game improvement irons are stronger lofts as opposed to players irons, just saying like 🙄🙄
Is it really just about the lofts? I mean all that real estate behind must have some kind of influence. A test subject for you? :-)
Mavrik pro anytime soon or has the lockdown ruined that
It's on the schedule Gary, but yes lockdown has hit any further reviews after next saturday.
Sorry but a little bit of research would go a long way, less than 2 minutes of reading would have told you that it’s carbon fiber on the top of the cobra to lighten up the top and move weight towards bottom also the “bulb” on the bottom is to give the low center of gravity advantage without the extra wide sole or bounce
Again easy 2 minutes of research
Oh and btw the “cheap plastic” does serve a purpose and no nothing to do with looks it’s meant to dampen noise and feel of the club
I’m just an ordinary golf enthusiast and I know this
I thought we played this game to shoot lower scores. Why wouldn’t you want clubs that make it easier to do this? If you aren’t a 5 handicap or below, if you’re playing blades it’s only because of your ego.
Great chemistry with Lee and yourself. Like the format and testing protocol. Keep them coming and continued success :-)
Andy Reece cheers Andy, we are getting a great team down here at Torquay 👍
The Cobra just does not suit my eye - for me it looks cheap and that logo on the back just screams out at me. Titleist is a nice looking club.
Lofts - this never worried me, I ignore the number on the bottom of the club and go off the loft. If the design means the 29 degree club goes as far as my current 29 degree club (6i i210) but goes higher, spins much the same and is easier to launch that is a win for me. However, there is an issue with really strong lofts, generally amateurs do not have masses of club head speed (Lee is the exception) so there is a cut off point in loft which is the limit of what they can launch. For me that is about 25 degrees (5i in i210), anything below that is too inconsistent. In the Cobra SZ that means the 6i is about the strongest iron I could comfortable play
Couldnt agree more. Most golfers understand lofts. I feel sorry for those who dont and buy 4 to PW in these sets and basically carry around a 4 and 5 paperweight in their bags, because they cant hit them.
I love cobra
why are people so concerned with the top of the club if it feel good and get's the distance and flight right what does it matter weather the top is thin or fat but i do agree with you about the diamonds
Sorry lads beg to differ on the looks of the T300, not keen
Totally agree tried the T300 along with the cobra sz and the cobra are now in my bag. They look good and sound sweet so I'm one happy bunny
Bit of golf snobbery there, you arent the players that would buy these clubs. A lot of Titleist logos on hats and in the background.
Thought this myself immediately watching it.
Like Lee comment about how does a high hcap get loft on 2 iron, another question for Titleiest is they sell a set of irons but only 6 irons is 2 or 3 irons short of a set, not really a set is it? Re Trade Description.
Very nice
Value for money had to be cobra though as cheaper and have the cobra connect
sounds thuddy, too blingy, don't like the carbon strip... those are not real solid reasons to avoid this iron. they are superficial. kinda like the gap in his teeth, does it really matter.. he lives with it.
they are long , reasonably priced, forgiving, easy to hit and im scoring good with them
When this mess is over and if I'm still here, I plan to get fitted for a new bag of clubs. I'm sure I'll try the Titleist t series but not the cobra, no no no . Pimp clubs cheap plastic bling.
Lee hits those Conrad better than any iron I have seen him hit.
I just don’t get it. You don’t hit ball with top line. Looks don’t make ball go straight. It just sounds so silly to me. Anything I buy in life is about function golf clubs are about function and performance. I love golf have played for years.
Part of why the sport get criticized is the snobbish attitude. Stuff like this top line being off putting is just plain snobby.
I watch every video you put out and I like your channel. I all of you on your channel seem reasonably down to earth considering where your from, but the snobby is off putting to a lot of people.
Please forget the number on the bottom and judge the clubs but their lofts (or near lofts), i.e. loft to loft. it doesn't matter what the number is on the bottom. We would get a lot more out of the review if you did it by loft. thanks.
Great video lads
Good one !! Dan
Barry Vigus cheers Barry
I don’t hit the ball with back of club don’t care what’s there.
If you were on tv playing on Sunday with Tiger, Cory, Bryson and so on maybe it might mean more. I have never heard a player on any course I’ve played say oh that iron is too chunky.
I really am not trying to be mean but put yourself on this side and listen to yourself.
Lee is a good addition...must have a horrible short game to be off 12 tho...lol
Nice one lee those T300 irons suit you
Gary, seriously loved them mate. I'd certainly look at a T200/T300 combo if I was looking for new clubs.
so you love the titleist and laugh at the cobra yeah this will be a fair trial, sorry not buying it
Love my AP2 716 forged
Gary Smith still good clubs Gary 👍
Could not agree more
Can you do ping g410 or i210
Simon Wall we will 👍
Very cool comparison! Useful ! #alloverthegolf #subforgolf
They keep on coming out with new clubs and the evidence is that less and less people are taking up golf, with more and more golf clubs closing down, So im lost as to why they do. There is no way any player under 15hc play these type of irons. With the cost of irons, I know and play with players of 10hc and under who are playing with 10 yr old irons and will not change them. Surely there is no market for them.
Lee needs to play them
I think having these tested by a mid handicap player would have quite an impact on the scores. These irons aren’t for you boys.
I hit both irons the other day with money not being an issue, hands down, the Cobra was the better iron! Sorry guys, you were way off the mark.
I agree. I never would have thought I would buy Cobra clubs. I was in denial when I saw Cobra out performed Mavrik, Sim Max, Ping, and Titleist. I really didnt want to buy the speedzones because of the bling on top but I simply couldn't deny the superior performance.
I hit Callaway Mavricks, Cobra Speedzone, Ping i410, Titleist t300 and some random cleveland clubs today and ended up walking out the door with the cobras. After i dialed it in i was banging them consistently in the 5 degree range of straight. I couldn't consistently get that with the other clubs. They just feel great!
@@beachedwalrusau They actually seem to be mathematically perfect in design.
@@frankielambardo9268 Idk if it's just me but it sort of feels like cheating using these clubs. I would hit the ball so bad enough to result in a serious mulligan but it'll still fly up and straight like nothing. Its just not normal lol. I'm not sure this is preparing me for true player clubs unforgivness.
@@jonathontorres948 it's all about your score after 18 holes and collecting the money and who's handing out the money. I like them handing it to me. Lol
A thousand bucks is expensive for any set can I get an amen
FYI, people who play blades should never review game improvement clubs. Your way out of your element and have no idea what your talking about.
Absolutely! Never heard so much snobbery. These guys are tools.
It's all about kidding punters into thinking they are hitting the ball further.
do you not understand that 60 year old 5 foot 6 guys add in back issues need help with distance to mark the loft point wise down so much is rather elitist don't you think and ignoring a lot of the golfing public
My problem with the Cobra plastic is that it will eventually come off, be lost and the club then looks cheap. That happened with my Cleveland TT 8 and 9 irons so I will never buy a club with similar add ons.
Less emphasis on sound and feel please. Is it easy to to hit well is all I want to know.
All the talk about appearance is the reason so many people play clubs that they aren't good enough to play.
"Top line aside the Cobra's are better"
Why do a review if its obvious in 2 minutes you both are Titleist fan boys?
Not really true is it. At the time this was filmed I owned 1 titleist club and now I own 0. The fact is it’s just a better club...... end off.
You’ll are VERY biased in this review, IMO
You guys just make me wonder why you even bother reviewing clubs. You are not ever pleased with any iron except the bladed iron. It makes you guys just sound very snobbish. Don’t get me wrong I like your videos when your playing. You guys are very good golfers and I learn a lot from watching your teaching and playing videos. I have hit all kinds of irons and I just don’t care what it looks like just how it performs. I don’t really look at the club I focus on where I want the club to strike the ball.
For heaven’s sake it’s zed not zee
Top edge of the SZ won’t come off dan 😂
I wish it would 😂
For fuck sakes with the British golf reviews
When I address the ball all I see is the face
No social distancing???