Old but Effective - Seele / Himeko F12 True 0-Cycle | No Limited Eidolons | MOC 2.2.2
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Alright, actual last video from this MOC cycle which is finally resetting soon. A nice homage to the first 2 5* DPS on my account.
0:24 Side 1 Strat - Seele Hypercarry with Robin
1:16 Side 2 Strat - Himeko Hypercarry
1:52 Build Overview
2:17 Annotated Run - Side 1
6:14 Side 2
9:26 Builds
Seele’s one of my favourite characters to play even today, her playstyle is so unique!
bro has done literally everything he could this MoC cycle. in the future eideh aboutta just 0-cycle the MoC with every dps on his account with how long each MoC sticks around nowadays. i tried your jade strategy and an altered one to squeeze out another action with some DDD vonwacq , but I just cant meet the dps check with my lc options. I'm aboutta use your videos to decide whether or not I'll pull for yunli pretty soon here, can't wait for your showcases.
Unfortunately, sig LC boosts are a thing. I think at best I could manage with 1 fewer that is not Jade's. At some point, they kind of learnt and started throwing in ignore DEF on sig LCs because it's often times a non-dilutable damage increase and is a guaranteed increase that you can't really achieve by other means. These differences are exacerbated in 0-cycles because supports can often make up for a lack in common stats (ATK, DMG, CDMG). It's kind of why Seele's LC is not fantastic. The CR is great but the rest of it is not too fantastic. Seele runs around at something like 300% CDMG with Sparkle and 200% DMG with support buffs.
Also lmao not sure if I should be used as a gauge for rolling. I should really go and look at her kit and pre-farm her relics if possible. The constant release of new chars, especially DPS chars has really stretched my trailblaze power thin and I barely have any time to farm anything besides trace mats.
@@EiDehGaming yea accidentally getting jade was almost a regret because I needed to farm her traces when I also need to farm for hunt march, feixiao, maybe lingsha and yunli as well (skipping 1.0 to 1.5 coming in clutch now). and the fact that traces can take up to ~25 days of natural resource when a new character comes out every 22 is just brutal.
as for the yunli thing, I'm just skeptical in on her 0-cycle performance as idk if she can sustain herself with her counter playstyle, so ill wait for you to figure out if she can run sustainless lol. also no huohuo (yunli looks cracked and will prolly be able to 0-cycle even with a huohuo instead of dedicated amplifier)
I dont tend to comment very often but these 0 cycles are a real treat to watch. I can feel my brain expanding simply by watching these and it’s made my moc runs way smoother and better. I think ill try giving seele another chance now.
7:36 Love how it looks like Pela is swipping the text away xD
this channel is still so underrated for the amount of effort/quality put into making these videos
love the work you're doing, keep it up! ❤
@@tissuepaper7977 Thanks! I appreciate it. The channel is good enough to fund some extra pulls for more character showcases than just the ones i really like so that's pretty nice already.
No matter who many meta units come and go, Seele will be my favourite ❤
no, Seele is mine.
That's what i'm talking about! THE GOAT, THE 🐐!!!
Himeko still have an attack and another follow up if Bronya didn't still there. Never thought of sleep the dps for support setup.
Good run as always
goated run
Good Run 😀❤
Seele is actually the best dps (even better than FF and Acheron in high investment) if:
- u have high-end relics
- u have Einstein’s IQ
Or else she’s mid to everyone.
At higher investment is where Seele is the best and Firefly falls behind because she has a high floor but low ceiling
even tho, shes lackluster will all that, her ceiling is kinda meh compared to other dps even blade has higher ceiling than her, but seele stans still live in a "illusion of the past" even tho shes was always mid... she was only good bc enemies in moc had like 300k of hp in moc 10 back then
@@claudiowiseman8488You're just joining the bandwagon. Seele has the highest ceiling in the game. Also, blade has a higher ceiling than firefly
@@claudiowiseman8488And she can even 0 cycle aventurine with only one limited five star in the team which is herself, something acheron cannot do no matter what stats you give her.
@@Yoru...Do you know what high ceiling means? showcases with E6 stands is not high ceiling, perfect relic which I'm pretty sure you're implying "that" girl i guess, doesn't mean anythiing when a lot of char can aslo 0 cycle in 0AV youre just a biased that take refuge in the vids of seele salesman
This video just proves that my Seele build sxcks
I'll have to pump her Crit rate higher and reduce a bit her crit dmg
likely the best TC / 0 cycle channel on YT, while the gold cost may not be the lowest among runs available on YT / Bili, the way you explain things in detail is very useful even for seasoned players! Good job!
Thanks! I appreciate it. Though every time somebody mentions gold cost, I have to try to stop myself from going off on the same rant. Gold cost comparisons are really only viable on private servers or relic whales. The most common example I'll give is that if my relics were just better, very often I could drop Sparkle's LC for Past & Future. Most of the early 5* sig LCs are also not particularly great for 0-cycles, and E1 RM would be better for them. It also turns into this bizarre playground where it becomes a game of who can utilize the top 4* supports the best, which is obviously not an even playing field and doesn't even make sense why it should be the de facto metric. It is not at all obvious that power scales similarly with increased gold cost. E.g. many Ratio 0-cycles feature both Pela and Tingyun, which reduces the 'gold cost' of the team. But if one day they don't cut it, you're not going to be substituting them for anything because there aren't better alternatives.
Some archtypes are also inherently disadvantaged by naturally having more 5*s than others. In the end, I just don't find it to be very interesting to restrict myself to minimizing gold cost. I'm more interested in getting as many chars to work at an arbitrarily drawn line in the sand by me (E0S1 or below). Also, many of my runs can actually go with lower cost. It's just that after going through 5-10 non-damage related RNG gates to reach the end result, it'll be rather disappointing if it was not possible due to a lack of damage because I decided to bring 1 fewer 5* LC.
@@EiDehGamingcan you explain what gold cost is?
@@Foodiiee01amount of limited 5* character / LC u use. Gold cost 1 means 1 limited 5* chara or LC
The lower gold cost is to clear contents usually the better they are as dps for 0 cyclers end game players.
@@invertbrid ah so like bronya wouldn’t count then? What about an eidolon for a standard 5* are does also counted?
incredible run
Sheesh you’re insane for this
I am going to get my first limited hunt, ratio was free. So i am really excited to see how you'll play with feixiao.
Just wanted to ask do you always go for sig LCs? After getting acheron and bs LCs i have felt the huge inc they provide over f2p options so i am always looking for getting dps lc if i have pulls to spare.
Yes, I always roll for sig LCs. I'm really excited for Feixiao too.
Powercreep is so terrible in this game. Acheron can do more damage so obviously Seele and Himeko are garbage. It's not like you can clear all content with decent planning and preparation. /s
Play who you want. I stopped caring bout power creep and just played who I want
Well this MoC is designed for AoE and break chars esp Firefly and that has been the case when a shiny new dps comes out lol not that I care much about end game content anyway
im gonna be honest here, im sure im not the only person that avoided MoC
i love your videos
nice video
My Argenti must be bugged. I'm trying a 0-cycle with Ratio but I keep running to a problem. After he takes his first turn on Phase 1, then Ratio beats him up, then Phase 2 starts and he summons his spears, he will always end up taking action instead at the start of the 29th cycle, instead of by the end of the 30th cycle. Which, I find annoying, because now I can't get that extra energy for Robin and Tingyun :/ If you don't mind me asking, do you have any idea why is that?
Oh. This one should be straightforward. Needs about 52.7 AV remainder for him to take another turn. He is fast but not that fast. If you take him out near but before the 2nd turn of his phase 1, he will not have enough time to go a 2nd time on phase 2 either.
Honestly I'd say it's harder to get an S10 DDD than it is to get limited Eidolons at this point, but great showcase nonetheless.
man, what did Tingyun and sparkle eat to have 3-4 turns on 1 cycle
😭
DDD and Eagle is the stuff lol
Got tired of farming eagle for my sparkle and ended with 158 speed and enough effect res to use that one planar set. Is it worth it to go off piece planar for 160+ speed and lose the set effect or should i just stick with the 158 speed?
If you use eagle set with 158 speed then using vonwach is recommended. One of the reasons people farm for eagle sets is to squeeze 3 actions in the first cycle. So if you can't really reach the benchmark that let you do that then leaving it at 158 is fine.
160 SPD is only a breakpoint if you intend to finish each wave in "1 cycle" (250 AV) where Sparkle gets 4 turns over the duration of it. Otherwise, it's not really any different from 158 SPD. For my purposes in 0-cycles, the relevant breakpoints are about 157 (with Vonwacq for 3 turns on wave 1) and about 167 SPD for 3 turns with DDD + Eagle proc.
@@EiDehGaming thanks to the both of you! Love reading your analysis at the beginning btw its lowkey therapeutic 😭
yay
Man, on the HImeko run. You waste the extra turn from the pig. Don't get Bronya buff half of the time and another extra turn as Bronya sleep. Yet still clapp it.
I've actually tried probably every single permutation of actions at that point lol. Some are just not reliable enough and many don't work for phase 2. Wasting the pig's turn ended up being the best option I could come up with. Without the Bronya turn was a huge surprise for sure though
@@EiDehGaming It been quite a long time since I last touch Bronya tho. when I in need of turn/spd support. I always rely on Asta. She can help with the breaking so HImeko can always focus on the middle on for the maximum dmg while still can throw out 6 FUAs.
The best case is always save Himeko's ult for second wave and use it at the start to get 0 AV. There would be nothing can go wrong with such
@@EiDehGaming Asta with 2 DDD proc can help Himeko 96spd get effective 201~ 3 turn in an 0 cycle, while provide valuable %atk buff consider Ruan Mei only give dmg bonus, and I suppose she is more sp friendly compared to Bronya
@@dominica5855 Unfortunately, Asta doesn't bring enough damage for wave 1 which was the bigger problem for any other 4th slot I tried.
@@EiDehGaming Welp It seem so. Every 0 cycle attempt of mine in that floor is more struggle on the first wave as well.
Is eagle on tingyun generally better than 4pc hackerspace? Also I saw you run hp mainstats instead of attack, does tingyun attack not matter much?
The buff I think is limited to 25% of tingyun's attack so extra attack does matter, but when doing no sustain runs, the supports gotta have at least like 3500 health to not die easily, and it's a no brainer that maximizing survivability is more important than maximizing buffs and 4pc eagle helps get extra turns in a cycle if her speed is high enough
To add on, 4 piece hackerspace teamwide SPD buff is really not significant enough most of the time to make a difference in 0-cycles. Eagle makes a more substantial difference in potentially getting another turn.
Support rail, harmony star rail.
if i want to upgrade my robin should i get e1 or s1 for her ? does it depend on if i want to do 0 cycle or not ?
I think E1 is generally better. S1 has its uses but is probably most important for very specific 0-C breakpoints. If you're not trying for it, I think E1 will make a far bigger impact
I wanna try this. Is E2 Himeko needed? I don’t think so though
Not too sure tbh. It's a numbers game in the end, so if you don't have it, you probably need to make up for that damage elsewhere as it is pretty close for phase 1. If you can't achieve that outcome, you may need to strictly reset for the disable target being Ruan Mei which is not going to be pleasant. I personally wouldn't recommend trying this as it's pretty infuriating and boring to reset for very specific RNG outcomes, though probably less so if you follow a templated run.
@@EiDehGamingout of all the 0-cycle runs you did on Node 2, which team was the easiest to execute?
@@kirarrriii The Firefly one. It was kind of a joke. Followed by Acheron + RM
@@EiDehGaming I have just logged off and I wasn’t happy. The extra DDD I have is only S4 and my Seele had non CRITs even at 88% CRIT Rate it’s making me crazy. I will just stick to Sushang on Argenti
@@kirarrriii My condolences, it do be like that. I think 95% CR is the bare minimum you should have to attempt Seele 0-cycles. 88% is believe it or not, way too low. You have something like a 7.8% chance to hit 20 consecutive required crits (around the amount needed for this run).
7:24 is there a reason it's 20%? It should be 25%, no?
Erudition chars have lower aggro values. 3 points vs 4 of harmony and nihility. So it's 3 / (3 + 4 + 4 + 4) = 0.2
himeko taunt value is only 75 (erudition), others r 100 (harmony and nihility)
[75/(75+100*3)]*100%=20%
@@EiDehGaming i see. I forgot harmony had higher taunt value
seele is so good but people keep pretending shes worse than clara ratio or jy
She kinda is worse than Ratio imo, but yeah definitely better than JY or Clara
@@NecrolightzWolf no she isn’t, I love ratio and seele and Ykw imma say this, both of them are better than Dan heng
@@critanddam9031Tbh the data is already there to prove that. Ironically the most hated path, seele ratio and boothil beats both dhil and jingliu
@@Yoru... jingliu as much as I hater her at e0 s0 she’s still better than all 3 hunt characters, but idk how danheng is still up there bro hasn’t 0 cycled in years
@@critanddam9031 at e0s0 she's better than dhil but not better than seele ratio or boothil, these three can 0 cycle more moc than her.
Why does seele require so much crit rate every build i see of her has 90 percent
Seele wouldnt crit when her cr isnt above 90%
There are probably around 20 must crit hits in this run. At 90% CR, it's only a 12% chance of succeeding, ignoring all the other sources of RNG that I have to rely on like hit RNG. Players with 90% CR may be playing with Fuxuan or Sparkle LC that give the remaining CR needed. There isn't really a point in not having 100% CR, especially when run with Sparkle.