Honestly no, most of the game was good, ending sucked, the real problem is a story based experience where the story truly doesn't change, honestly my theory on why quantic dream continues to succeed, great storytelling and directions with actual changes to the plot. Telltale dropped pretty great stories with only a few bad ones and managed to still close since only 2 endings meant you didn't have to actually buy the game and instead you could watch others meaning millions of sales go out the window, and it's honestly the developers/directors/writers fault 🤷
@txgoldrush Detroit came out in 2018, other studios have also haven't dropped since then, but their next game promises not only to be bigger but is also for star wars, which means their writers have to work with other writers causing development mayhem. Still believe their gonna announce by next year though
Felice Kuan apparently wrote the Tempest part in BTS and the scene after with Rachel, Farewell, and I think the LARP part in TC. Losing her sucks pretty bad
@@hellaradusername Yeah, she had a lot of creative talent. From her tweets, though, it seems she tried to force Double Exposure into her own narrow interpretation of the first game's endings which was probably not the best idea. She didn't deserve to be fired for it, but she should have been more open to different interpretations of that final choice, too. Might have avoided a lot of the blowback.
Tell you what, it was miles better than Double exposure anyway. Dear god. I actually didn't like true colors but I appreciate it a bit more now, I genuinely couldn't bring myself to finish the new one, too much identity politics and no focus on Max or Chloe.
I want it if they learn from DE and move back towards LiS if continuing w/ Max; if they go back to anthology then they need to stay away from DontNod core canon.
Between the detective literally being deleted from existence and the main plot being about a cancelled book deal, I truly just didn’t care. Alderman was a totally wasted character and could’ve made it better. And after the Safi reveal this game becomes a complete mess. I’m glad I watched someone play instead of buying.
As someone who has been a fan of niche franchises... they generally don't survive divisive entries. Niche franchises usually sell well enough to ensure sequels but never great numbers. Then comes that person that's unhappy with that and wants to shake things up and broaden appeal. That leads to the divisive entry that can sell just as well as previous entries but will burn a portion of the fanbase that won't come back for a sequel, leading to the huge risk that a sequel will sell worse. Most publishers usually cut and run at that point.
Its honestly better if they are done with max because they didnt write her dontnod did and decknine just doesnt understand max and chloe and the first game like dontnod did
@haya.a5887 i don't think thats 100 the case. Double Exposure would have been better, if they changed Max with a new Character. I would like to see another game with Max )and chloe, if you saved her) but this time they need to really respect the desicions the player made and dont write a character off the way they did with Chloe via SMS. Thats just lazy. It might be hard to give us a game, where both endings are respected in a "respectful" way, but if they are menage to do this, it would be a really great game.
I feel bad for the people let go, but Double Exposure is a very bad Life is Strange game. If there is another Max game, it will have a whole new creative direction and that’s not a bad thing. However, the AAA-hole revelations about Deck Nine/Square Enix and their managements really make me doubt anything they do at this point. 🤷♀️ #SaveTheRealMax
I feel for the people laid off, even as someone that was definitely NOT a fan of narrative choices made; like I was hoping for a shuffling and new people brought into the writers room. I really do hope that this is a sign that they're going to restructure things around the feedback given and if they can deliver a proper LiS styled sequel, which includes bucking back against any issues with having Chloe back (which I guess is an irony) to fix what DE screwed up. One way of doing it since the original people are likely gone now would be I guess maybe legit canonically making DE a branch-line of its own vs. the mainline Max whose w/ the green-haired Chloe. That way they could to some degree side-step some things (the ending + Chloe and Max's utterly garbage breakup), while maintaining others. Saying DE was all following an alt-Max that ends up bleeding over into mainline Max's branch w/ Safi's whole thing (which could also be refined using the transition as a sort of excuse). If they're going to seek to more align to playerbase, then I definitely want that sequel; unfortunately that piece of the puzzle won't be known till a new team is formed to give an impression of where their heads are at.
I thought at first this was just the normal cycle studios go through but Kuan's been a major figure there since Before the Storm. If they canned her this is huge.
No, Deck Nine is done with LIS. You don't lay off the entire writing team, most BEFORE the game was announced, without either the studio not being able to do it anymore, or SE pulling the plug on them. I bet SE London makes the next game.
Part of me wants to be petty and say, "relationships don't always work out, it's realistic", in reaction to them losing their jobs... but it doesn't feel right to celebrate that. I'm disappointed by how they wrote DE, but I wanted them to learn from it and grow, rather than be laid off like that. Especially since alleged ex-Deck9 employees have suggested that many of the game's problems are due to upper management + Square Enix.
It really sucks that it came to this. Before the storm felt like it fit in perfectly in the world of Life is strange. True Colours felt like made by fans, who are not that great at their job, but they had a lot of passion, love and hard work for their project. Like it was made for fans by fans Double Exposure completley disregard what made Life is strange a great game: great character arcs, hard choices with heavy consequences and it should be an emotional roller coaster. Life is strange died when powers took the helm from all of these things, just like Dragon age died when it ceased to be a great dark fantasy, or like Game of Thrones died when Dragons became the focues instead of men plotting in dark rooms and women scheming in beautiful gardens.
they need a proper sequel with a proper ending to lis1. i played when it came out and its clear that they basically rushed episode 5 and just made up a lame ending. and hey thats fine. it happens. but now all these years later, they can make a complete and satisfying ending for lis1 with a sequel that you go back and do it again or at least figure out how to keep her alive without ruining the town. they basically mass effect 3'd the ending to lis1 or maybe it was the other way around. its been a while. nothing worse than making a game where 'choices matter' then end the game with all your choices not mattering.
I had the first Lis at launch but never got around to playing it. Finished it recently so I don't have that attachment for Chloe like most people. I enjoyed DE for what it was. I just don't think these type of games will ever have great sales again. Hope Lost Records does good!
Lost Records will be an extremely woke game with SBI influence probably, it won't sell much, people are sick of identity politics being injected into the media they consume to escape the real world. People don't like being brainwashed by cults.
"maybe uh getting towards the finish line of the game releasing, a lot of the writing team wasn't even there or you know was let go..." *Insert classic you don't say cage meme*. That ending sucked major doodoo and if they fired the writing team during development that explains a whole lot of those plot holes.
Imagine this in lis 1, at the end u either choose to save arcadia bay or sacrifice Chole, but after u made your choice instead of showing the consequences of your choice now, the game ended. Nothing happened and the game literally ended with a text stated "Max will return".
Well damn. The sad thing - apart from people losing their jobs, all the best to them - is that this isn't totally surprising. I really hope this points to 2 things: 1) That it isn't the end of LIS, because while I agree they'll probably still do a sequel, it doesn't seem like it's guaranteed. And 2) Assuming we get a sequel, I hope it means they will start listening to the fanbase and pivot away from the creative direction the franchise seemed to be going in. Here's a question, with how bad the general response to DE has been, do they try again with Max but ignore DE completely and say it never happened? Normally, I'd say there's no chance, but looking at everything...the layoffs. the fan response...who knows?
@@txgoldrush Don't get me wrong, normally i wouldn't suggest this, I liked the game, but the narrative direction at the end was just bizarre and a lot of people did not like the game overall. If I'm in charge of the next game, I'd be seriously considering whether it's easier to try and rescue the story whilst also trying to make something people like, or just treating the next one like a do-over. I know it would annoy some fans, but make no mistake, if the next game is received as poorly as this one, LIS is all but done
@@seanred7681 You do a "do over", people will leave. Once again, Star Wars, instead of building off of what Last Jedi left, they tried to "fix" it and Rise felt forced, rushed, and has an even less reception. Here is the thing, the smart people paid attention and liked DE. The detractors didn't. It wasn't bizarre, it was a honest ending. I guess it was just too subtle.
@@txgoldrush I liked the game but I acknowledge the turn the story took was bad. After Max repeatedly tries to warn Safi of the consequences of recklessly using powers, she decides she's gonna do it anyway, compares them to gods and asks Max to join her - and that's the final big choice. Taking a franchise that has always been grounded in real life and seemingly steering it in the direction of a full on superhero story. That's not Life Is Strange.
@@seanred7681 Except the first game's choice was basically supernatural and in the second game, Daniel can have "an action sequence" and the game has superhero references. Alex resolves the story using her powers as well. How is LIS DE any different?
The only way to save this franchise now is to scrap Double Exposure from existence. Retcon it, fire D9 and bring back Don'tNod to give us an actual sequel to the original LiS game. Seriously. It's the only way to fix this enormous mess.
It's sad to know that so many people have lost their jobs like that so suddenly and I hope they find another home, but for me Life is Strange should no longer be in the hands of Deck nine, let's be honest and analyze their three games. Before the storm was a good game and it's incredible to play it to this day, a lot because of Chloe, but this game has practically no story and seems more like a Sapphic teen romance fanfic, the game could be much better and explain more about the holes that were left in the first game but they decided to touch on things that don't add much to the first one except for all of Chloe's drama, true colors was also good and better than bts in fact, but the game was very filler and very rushed in its story, not to mention the power that was poorly explored (a crucial point in the franchise), the endings of the game that seem to have been put in at the last minute because they forgot that they had to close the story somehow, and finally double exposure which was their biggest flaw, an average game or less, and I'm not just saying that because of the way they dealt with chloe but with max who if it wasn't for hannah would possibly be unrecognizable, we have safi who literally changes completely from one moment to the next and we don't even have a reason for it (the game tries to justify it but fails) and the game in general erases all our experience of the first game and pretends it didn't exist and only tries to force new things on us that don't achieve what the first one did. Stopping now to talk and be a nag who won't stop complaining, I believe this cant be denied, so do we really want another game in the franchise in the hands of this company?
They had a free money maker, make a game about Max and Chloe on the road surviving. The focus of DE was the identity politics, instead of a story about Max Caulfield. That's why it failed. LIS1 had no identity politics
It’s sad after all, I loved life is strange but what they did with max and chloe wasn’t for me, I’m still disappointed but I don’t wish any game devs and team bad things, it’s hard work, they just destroyed the story for this great game.
After playing double exposure, I bought lis true colour because of the 30 years ps anniversary discount, and true colour was way better. I also bought lis2 but I don't really like it, Daniel was too annoying.
![Life is Strange: Double Exposure - The biggest questions answered [Major spoilers]](/img/1.gif)
This is what happens when you ignore the core customer base.
Honestly no, most of the game was good, ending sucked, the real problem is a story based experience where the story truly doesn't change, honestly my theory on why quantic dream continues to succeed, great storytelling and directions with actual changes to the plot. Telltale dropped pretty great stories with only a few bad ones and managed to still close since only 2 endings meant you didn't have to actually buy the game and instead you could watch others meaning millions of sales go out the window, and it's honestly the developers/directors/writers fault 🤷
@@phant0mpanda Quantic Dream has done NOTHING since Detroit. That studio may have problems.
@txgoldrush Detroit came out in 2018, other studios have also haven't dropped since then, but their next game promises not only to be bigger but is also for star wars, which means their writers have to work with other writers causing development mayhem. Still believe their gonna announce by next year though
@@phant0mpandathe game was a damn mess dude. It started out pretty good but completely fell apart the second half.
You simply can't get a 73 Metacritic or 4.1 user score (on MC) for a game that needs to be a critical and fan darling.
Felice Kuan apparently wrote the Tempest part in BTS and the scene after with Rachel, Farewell, and I think the LARP part in TC. Losing her sucks pretty bad
Absolutely.
@@hellaradusername Yeah, she had a lot of creative talent. From her tweets, though, it seems she tried to force Double Exposure into her own narrow interpretation of the first game's endings which was probably not the best idea. She didn't deserve to be fired for it, but she should have been more open to different interpretations of that final choice, too. Might have avoided a lot of the blowback.
will be ironic if "Max Claufield will return" would be another fail :D
Yeah, I mean... even if Max Caulfield will return for another game made by these people, will YOU come back?
According to linkedin stats, D9 had ~90 people before these layoffs.
So probably 70-75 left. Thanks for the info!!
I stand by my original statement True Colors was good 🧍🏿♂️
I really like True Colors too, I just don't think it really sold
Just out of curiosity, did you play all the previous LiS titles as well?
@@selin6264 yes
@ thanks for replying I was really just curious :D
Tell you what, it was miles better than Double exposure anyway. Dear god. I actually didn't like true colors but I appreciate it a bit more now, I genuinely couldn't bring myself to finish the new one, too much identity politics and no focus on Max or Chloe.
Idk if I even want more LIS after double exposure 🤷♂️
I want it if they learn from DE and move back towards LiS if continuing w/ Max; if they go back to anthology then they need to stay away from DontNod core canon.
same, i’m so disappointed
I do.
I do
I don't because I'm scared of them messing up no matter what the try. I'm not spending money on games that are disappointing
Between the detective literally being deleted from existence and the main plot being about a cancelled book deal, I truly just didn’t care. Alderman was a totally wasted character and could’ve made it better. And after the Safi reveal this game becomes a complete mess. I’m glad I watched someone play instead of buying.
Rip on the D9's LIS:DE team
get woke, go broke as they say
As someone who has been a fan of niche franchises... they generally don't survive divisive entries. Niche franchises usually sell well enough to ensure sequels but never great numbers. Then comes that person that's unhappy with that and wants to shake things up and broaden appeal. That leads to the divisive entry that can sell just as well as previous entries but will burn a portion of the fanbase that won't come back for a sequel, leading to the huge risk that a sequel will sell worse. Most publishers usually cut and run at that point.
They better not shut down my life is strange franchise :(
Altho double exposures ending was lame I still love seeing Max and want to see more.
Its honestly better if they are done with max because they didnt write her dontnod did and decknine just doesnt understand max and chloe and the first game like dontnod did
@haya.a5887 i don't think thats 100 the case. Double Exposure would have been better, if they changed Max with a new Character. I would like to see another game with Max )and chloe, if you saved her) but this time they need to really respect the desicions the player made and dont write a character off the way they did with Chloe via SMS. Thats just lazy. It might be hard to give us a game, where both endings are respected in a "respectful" way, but if they are menage to do this, it would be a really great game.
Felice Kuan has a whole thread on X. She may have subtly hint that the plot and themes of DE may be related to the culture at Deck Nine.
and what are the repercussion for sweet baby employee ?
I feel bad for the people let go, but Double Exposure is a very bad Life is Strange game. If there is another Max game, it will have a whole new creative direction and that’s not a bad thing. However, the AAA-hole revelations about Deck Nine/Square Enix and their managements really make me doubt anything they do at this point. 🤷♀️
#SaveTheRealMax
Why is the only solid thing about this game Hannah’s and the other’s VAing?
I feel for the people laid off, even as someone that was definitely NOT a fan of narrative choices made; like I was hoping for a shuffling and new people brought into the writers room. I really do hope that this is a sign that they're going to restructure things around the feedback given and if they can deliver a proper LiS styled sequel, which includes bucking back against any issues with having Chloe back (which I guess is an irony) to fix what DE screwed up. One way of doing it since the original people are likely gone now would be I guess maybe legit canonically making DE a branch-line of its own vs. the mainline Max whose w/ the green-haired Chloe. That way they could to some degree side-step some things (the ending + Chloe and Max's utterly garbage breakup), while maintaining others. Saying DE was all following an alt-Max that ends up bleeding over into mainline Max's branch w/ Safi's whole thing (which could also be refined using the transition as a sort of excuse). If they're going to seek to more align to playerbase, then I definitely want that sequel; unfortunately that piece of the puzzle won't be known till a new team is formed to give an impression of where their heads are at.
I thought at first this was just the normal cycle studios go through but Kuan's been a major figure there since Before the Storm. If they canned her this is huge.
This means D9 may be done with LIS. The entire narrative team is axed, most in the middle of development.
No, Deck Nine is done with LIS. You don't lay off the entire writing team, most BEFORE the game was announced, without either the studio not being able to do it anymore, or SE pulling the plug on them.
I bet SE London makes the next game.
color me cruel but anyone involved in this atrocity should find another profession.
Finally some good news
????
So I think we are never getting any more dlc for this game
Part of me wants to be petty and say, "relationships don't always work out, it's realistic", in reaction to them losing their jobs... but it doesn't feel right to celebrate that. I'm disappointed by how they wrote DE, but I wanted them to learn from it and grow, rather than be laid off like that. Especially since alleged ex-Deck9 employees have suggested that many of the game's problems are due to upper management + Square Enix.
It really sucks that it came to this. Before the storm felt like it fit in perfectly in the world of Life is strange. True Colours felt like made by fans, who are not that great at their job, but they had a lot of passion, love and hard work for their project. Like it was made for fans by fans
Double Exposure completley disregard what made Life is strange a great game: great character arcs, hard choices with heavy consequences and it should be an emotional roller coaster.
Life is strange died when powers took the helm from all of these things, just like Dragon age died when it ceased to be a great dark fantasy, or like Game of Thrones died when Dragons became the focues instead of men plotting in dark rooms and women scheming in beautiful gardens.
Well first they need to bring Chloe back 😂
But she is dead for 50% of the players
@@Wolfstarzan And she's alive for the other 50%
they need a proper sequel with a proper ending to lis1. i played when it came out and its clear that they basically rushed episode 5 and just made up a lame ending. and hey thats fine. it happens. but now all these years later, they can make a complete and satisfying ending for lis1 with a sequel that you go back and do it again or at least figure out how to keep her alive without ruining the town.
they basically mass effect 3'd the ending to lis1 or maybe it was the other way around. its been a while. nothing worse than making a game where 'choices matter' then end the game with all your choices not mattering.
I had the first Lis at launch but never got around to playing it. Finished it recently so I don't have that attachment for Chloe like most people. I enjoyed DE for what it was.
I just don't think these type of games will ever have great sales again. Hope Lost Records does good!
Lost Records will be an extremely woke game with SBI influence probably, it won't sell much, people are sick of identity politics being injected into the media they consume to escape the real world. People don't like being brainwashed by cults.
"maybe uh getting towards the finish line of the game releasing, a lot of the writing team wasn't even there or you know was let go..." *Insert classic you don't say cage meme*.
That ending sucked major doodoo and if they fired the writing team during development that explains a whole lot of those plot holes.
What happened to the writing in this game? Can you please make a video about it?
Imagine this in lis 1, at the end u either choose to save arcadia bay or sacrifice Chole, but after u made your choice instead of showing the consequences of your choice now, the game ended. Nothing happened and the game literally ended with a text stated "Max will return".
They need to make these games longer they're too short
Well damn. The sad thing - apart from people losing their jobs, all the best to them - is that this isn't totally surprising. I really hope this points to 2 things: 1) That it isn't the end of LIS, because while I agree they'll probably still do a sequel, it doesn't seem like it's guaranteed. And 2) Assuming we get a sequel, I hope it means they will start listening to the fanbase and pivot away from the creative direction the franchise seemed to be going in. Here's a question, with how bad the general response to DE has been, do they try again with Max but ignore DE completely and say it never happened? Normally, I'd say there's no chance, but looking at everything...the layoffs. the fan response...who knows?
The fanbase is divided, you cannot listen to the detractors and alienate those who liked DE.
That is how you get Rise of Skywalker.
@@txgoldrush Don't get me wrong, normally i wouldn't suggest this, I liked the game, but the narrative direction at the end was just bizarre and a lot of people did not like the game overall. If I'm in charge of the next game, I'd be seriously considering whether it's easier to try and rescue the story whilst also trying to make something people like, or just treating the next one like a do-over.
I know it would annoy some fans, but make no mistake, if the next game is received as poorly as this one, LIS is all but done
@@seanred7681 You do a "do over", people will leave.
Once again, Star Wars, instead of building off of what Last Jedi left, they tried to "fix" it and Rise felt forced, rushed, and has an even less reception.
Here is the thing, the smart people paid attention and liked DE. The detractors didn't. It wasn't bizarre, it was a honest ending. I guess it was just too subtle.
@@txgoldrush I liked the game but I acknowledge the turn the story took was bad. After Max repeatedly tries to warn Safi of the consequences of recklessly using powers, she decides she's gonna do it anyway, compares them to gods and asks Max to join her - and that's the final big choice. Taking a franchise that has always been grounded in real life and seemingly steering it in the direction of a full on superhero story. That's not Life Is Strange.
@@seanred7681 Except the first game's choice was basically supernatural and in the second game, Daniel can have "an action sequence" and the game has superhero references. Alex resolves the story using her powers as well. How is LIS DE any different?
The only way to save this franchise now is to scrap Double Exposure from existence. Retcon it, fire D9 and bring back Don'tNod to give us an actual sequel to the original LiS game.
Seriously. It's the only way to fix this enormous mess.
Bring back the people who made the worst game in the franchise?
Star Wars basically retconned The Last Jedi, it backfired badly. And I hated the Last Jedi. The next movie was even worse.
@@sirdan357 DeckNine? Hell no. They need to be fired immediately.
@@txgoldrush Thankfully this is not Star Wars.
@@creationguy3871 LiS2 is the worst game by a long shot, that would be Don't Nod...
It's sad to know that so many people have lost their jobs like that so suddenly and I hope they find another home, but for me Life is Strange should no longer be in the hands of Deck nine, let's be honest and analyze their three games. Before the storm was a good game and it's incredible to play it to this day, a lot because of Chloe, but this game has practically no story and seems more like a Sapphic teen romance fanfic, the game could be much better and explain more about the holes that were left in the first game but they decided to touch on things that don't add much to the first one except for all of Chloe's drama, true colors was also good and better than bts in fact, but the game was very filler and very rushed in its story, not to mention the power that was poorly explored (a crucial point in the franchise), the endings of the game that seem to have been put in at the last minute because they forgot that they had to close the story somehow, and finally double exposure which was their biggest flaw, an average game or less, and I'm not just saying that because of the way they dealt with chloe but with max who if it wasn't for hannah would possibly be unrecognizable, we have safi who literally changes completely from one moment to the next and we don't even have a reason for it (the game tries to justify it but fails) and the game in general erases all our experience of the first game and pretends it didn't exist and only tries to force new things on us that don't achieve what the first one did. Stopping now to talk and be a nag who won't stop complaining, I believe this cant be denied, so do we really want another game in the franchise in the hands of this company?
Bring back Chloe and fix this.
They had a free money maker, make a game about Max and Chloe on the road surviving. The focus of DE was the identity politics, instead of a story about Max Caulfield. That's why it failed. LIS1 had no identity politics
Chloe is dead.
@tek87 so am i
Is this why the writing got bad from ep 2 and onward in DE?
wokeness is why it got bad. same with most games. they hired based on diversity rather than competence.
@@jebes909090 DE is nowhere near "woke". In fact, it could even be the opposite.
@@txgoldrushthere's lots of woke elements in the game
@@FallingStar1080 Except it subverts its "wokeness" through its plot. Anti-wokers cannot figure this out for some reason.
Please cover the new sizzle trailer from game awards!!!!! It has gta 6 in it!!!
Geoff likes to put things that aren't in the show, in his hype trailers, so it could be nothing, but also possibly a hint!!
It’s sad after all, I loved life is strange but what they did with max and chloe wasn’t for me, I’m still disappointed but I don’t wish any game devs and team bad things, it’s hard work, they just destroyed the story for this great game.
Max and Chloe? They wanted to make the avengers outta a bunch of innocent kids!
I wished i could get a job at Deck Nine as a writer.
Hey, if you have plot ideas we could discuss, cause i plan to make fan 2d novel game
You can. Just say you're DEI friendly, and a bunch of other buzzwords on your resume.
But also didn’t they get good sales for this game?
uh oh
Garbage game well deserved layoffs🙌🙌
🙏
Thats what happens for going woke. They focused more on "diversity and inclusion" than actual good writing.
Except the message of the game was about the failure of so called "diverse" institutions.
Lis 1 is "woke" too, idiot
The game is bad.
Too bad. It wasn't perfect but it was as good as any of them since the original.
thats not a very high bar.
After playing double exposure, I bought lis true colour because of the 30 years ps anniversary discount, and true colour was way better. I also bought lis2 but I don't really like it, Daniel was too annoying.
I honestly think the game is bad because of how they did chloe. They didnt respect the bae ending imo
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