Tesla reveals NEW FSD update v12.3.5 - owners say Autonomy CLOSE
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Indeed I have 12.3.5. Very smooth
Thank you so much for the update on fsd pricing, I had already paid $6,000 for auto enhanced and only had to pay $2,000. Once you stated the decrease in cost, immediately went to the app and saw the reduction Thanks again. I am 72 years old, this will greatly improve my ability to get around town
I have been using the free trial and it is great. I’ve done a couple of long trips using FSD 12.4 and the car has driven 95% of the time. It is very relaxing to use it instead of driving yourself for 4 hours. I think I will take the $99 per month option.
12.3.4 user on a 2021 m3, its doing 99% of the driving for me now. I'm just doing the parking lots.
Isn't that weird? I don't want my car to drive instead of me, but I would still love a car that can park itself. Just get down at your destination and activate valet parking mode. Would save me tons of time instead of having to search for a parking slot.
does the new self parking feature in parking lots not work for you? I've found it to be scary...but working every time
I have 12.3.4 and I would say 8 out of 10 drives are zero intervention. However interventions are never for safety issues, they are usually because of my preference on route selection or avoiding potholes.
Does it stop the needless lane changes in the free way?
@@userofsharingan I think that’s just a matter of wanting to stay out of the outside lane. I know what you mean. But it’s like driving with someone who has a different style.
@@Diap842IV i dont have version 12 so thats why im asking. But version 11 changes lanes really too often even after changing the settings. It doesn’t want to be in the passing lane too long, doesnt want to be in the right most lane either. It prefers the center lane, but as soon as that lane slows down it wants to change lanes everytime. The problem is that as soon as it wants to change lanes it marks its turn signals but i dont have time to make sure its safe, sometimes it turns them on when theres a car right next to me. Im not saying it tried to hit the car since all it did was mark its turn signals, but as a passenger using the fsd i prefer it just stays in the lane and it takes me the extra 2 minutes in the slower lane.
Traffic Merge from left are an issue, nearly hit someone today
@@userofsharinganyou should be in the center lane if you’re not passing or exiting anyway. You can most definitely put your blinker on if there is a car next to you. A blinker is used to ask permission to enter a lane, not telling someone you’re entering that lane.
I have had FSD for about 4 years until now I did not use it too much but now with 12.3.x I use it all the time it just makes driving much safer and less stress full.
You must be a really really bad driver.
I have the 1 month trial on my 23 MYP. It works and will not crash my car. Sometimes it's a little slow to enter a busy road with 3 traffic lanes, and if I'm in a hurry to go to town I disable it as it's a bit slow in rundabouts. Actually I'm just fast through those. Occasionally it picks the wrong lane but mostly it is great. It picks up all cyclist and pedestrians. It did miss an active Florida school zone where you have to slow to 15 or 20 mph. All in all I really like it. It takes a bit to get used to it, like being nervous when your teenager starts driving. That goes away as confidence in it grows.
Spot on
The vision approach is already working and is parallel to how we drive in the real world.
Sam the best way to describe things is like that Bill Murray movie "Groundhog Day". FSD for years has been the frustration of living the same day over and over with 2 steps forward and 1 step back. However this v12 AI version has caused our jaws to drop in how things are finally bouncing our way and we can actually see some light at the end of the tunnel.
I have 12.3.4 and find it good enough to take care of most of the details of driving. If I am in a hurry I drive myself. But otherwise I let FSD do the work, with me knowing when I may have to jump in. Getting those kinks ironed out, like complicated left turns or multiple merging lanes may take some time.
I work for a company that's building an autonomous semi truck. And I finally understand what the issues are with LIDAR. There is a problem with the lasers bouncing off of multiple objects and giving false objects back, meaning the LIDAR thinks there's an object in front of you when there really isn't. This causes autonomous vehicles to do weird things, and right now, there's no real solution for it. What they're doing is using camera's now to essentially check if the LIDAR is seeing things correctly. So I think Elon was right to go with camera's only. You don't need LIDAR, not really.
As someone famously once said, it's the rate of improvement that matters. And that rate has been most impressive once they moved away from the losing approach of heuristic code. So I think they are at most a year away from having something that is safer than 95-99% of human drivers. When they get to the point where it's safer than 99.8% of human drivers, it will be tough to refuse if they have the data to support that statistic.
This is really incredible, we are entering a new age.
From Homo Sapiens to Tesla owners.
@@beehappy7797 Good one!
From thinking and capable people to useless bag of potatoes. Great new age, can’t wait!
2:52 "the neural network is called Dojo and that is what's running your full self driving". Rather sloppily stated. Dojo is the dedicated supercomputer developed by Tesla that trains the neural network that drives your tesla in FSD mode. Everytime you receive an update, a new version of this neural network is downloaded to your car. It runs on a different set of weights connecting the nodes of the neural network which give improved performance (at least that's the intention).
Actually the system uses two mice named Erf and Orf from the Planet Fisnwjxjd🎉🎉🎉 but yeah other than that spot on
Naysayers get to be right. Optimists get to be rich.
I think it will work, it copies nature, and for the rules of the road mimics good drivers.
@@peters972 Last I checked the cameras don't have windshield wipers for rain/snow, visors for glare, etc. One camera malfunction and you die because there is no redundancy in the system. Good luck
@@jefffree3125 they need to install eyebrows, eyelashes and eyelids, lol
@@peters972 😆
No longer compute constrained is the coolest line I've ever heard
Tried the trial and then chose to subscribe. 100% think this is the future (not distant). Had a free trial as a loyalty reward last year, and I wasn’t impressed. Totally sold on it with the recent updates. Love it.
I drove FSD v11 for 8 days in September it was already fantastic .. if v12 is a huge leap forward I can only imagine just how AMAZING it is - can’t wait to try!
I'm really enjoying having the FSD free trial. I almost want to pay for it... but not $99/month
I did a test drive of a model 3 LR and used the FSD to drive from the Tesla center to my home half an hour away
And?
@@dsan2509 flawless - not even a hiccup
It's only going to get better
1. Need to address going in reverse. 2. Keep improving the "letter of the law" versus "general public behavior" (not talking speeding or rolling stops). 3. Somehow factor in local traffic laws. 4. Recognizing hand gestures and other non street sign instructions.
Did you send this list to tesla customer service email?
I got the free trial and when I saw the price drop I opted to go all in and bought it.
There goes our insurance rates again
Jai Hind. Rather than getting insurance payments, You can read in the internet that Tesla had settled with the family of the Google engineer who was playing computer games.
Thanks Sam.
Any time!
As a level 3 system, FSD is amazing, however, it will not be safe enough for a
Full autonomy without more sensors. The cameras get blinded at night around turns, in dust storms, snow and heavy rain. Also, the side cameras are very far back, so the car takes a very long time to creep forward and look for oncoming traffic, which is very annoying to other drivers . People will expect perfection in terms of safety when the Robo taxi is enabled.
Another excellent video, I've watched a few channels testing this latest system 12.3.5 it is so close now, the improvements are coming thick and fast and looks to surpass even the best drivers.
As a European I feel left out. Our FSD version has been stuck for years with no improvement to even the most obvious issues. I'm wondering how hard it'll be to adapt the US version to road rules and layouts outside of the US.
I am trying the FSD trial. It has some glitches. It took an extra 20 miles to get me to my destination on the first use. It attempted to do the same on the trip back. Today, it stated that it would turn south but changed lanes to go north. The south lane was backed up. Maybe the car was going to do a U-turn somewhere, but I didn't let her go to find out. Finally, I went to a home depot and on the way out she drove into a closed lot and seemed like we would drive in circles in the lot. Again, I didn't let her go to see if she could work her way out of the lot.
12.4 and 12.5 will be even better
I have 12.3.5. I would agree it is the best version so far. I hope they will eventually add a learning mode where I can teach FSD the unique aspects of my drive. Security gate and special lanes still give the car trouble which could probably only be overcome with what I think of as last mile learning. If I could tell the car to learn as I am driving so it can sense the lane I need to use for my community entrance, how to stop for security gates and other very specific special use cases then that would be extremely useful. I have to think others have special situations the model needs to be taught specifically. It can get me from point A to point B and considering what it does it is truly amazing.
This would make me so much safer when driving long distance. No more chance of accidentally drifting out of lane, not noticing sudden slow down in front, missing a speed limit or Stop sign, not noticing cars next to me drifting into me, reacting to cars about to crash into me. FSD. Thank you , Elon. My next Cadillac will have FSD.
No failing sleep and having an accident, and yes Tesla will lisence it. Ford is the first in line, but like the NACS everyone need to have it or their cars would not sell.
It's quite clear that you should not have been issued with a driver's licence. People like you are a threat to other road users. Take public transport instead.
LOVED your comment" "...less chance of crashing now..."
Seriously...? It shouldn't be on the road unless there's NO chance of crashing!!! 😮
Great video as always. I wonder if there are any legal implications or government issues, that might delay FSD for years.
I have 12.3.3 and 👎no good. Will upgrade and test again.
needs more cow bell to alert everyone
❤Driving! Was that a thing 😮😂
FSD will be in every new car made on the planet soon or people won’t want it. My opinion
When do we get it in Australia? BTW film the Cybertruck if you can.
I saw a great change in self -driving on C++ and neural network. I thinks fast and it is much better especially on U-turns and when it tries to make a turn (it doesn’t jump anymore which is good.
❤putting volatile explosive polluting fluid into a car! Was that a thing 😮😂
The end to end neural networks was a game changer which was done first by wayve in this space. The benefit is it removes human bias as it just learns from data and it can be combined with language models to understand its decision process in natural language
You got one thing wrong here. Dojo is not a neural network, and it's not "running" full self driving. Dojo is a computer that can be used to train the neural networks in a data center, just like GPU clusters. What's running the neural networks when you're driving is the computer in the car(hardware generation 3 or 4) which is something else than dojo. Dojo is for training, not running the neural networks.
Sam, when do you think we will see V12 in Australia?
I think the main reason for Tesla to offer full FSD trial for free in April was to feed the neural network with more data to improve machine learning with that enormous data amount
No spectator on the internet can really predict whether FSD will ever completely replace human supervision. At best we can comment on the progress we've seen publically demonstrated. That being said, it clearly looks like it's closing in on its goal.
Well FSD will replace human driving. Humans make too much mistales (accidents). Iwill bet by the end of this year it will be running maybe in Florida, or San Francisco, Ca.
@@EnriqueThiele "Humans make too much mistales (accidents). " Indeed, good enough FSD doesn't have to be error free, just better than your average human driver on a bad day.
@@jeffjwattsNo! In the real world it's accepted that human beings make mistakes, even kill people. It will not be accepted if a "machine" causes accidents or kills people.
It's "accepted" that people are killed by guns, but will not be accepted that people are killed by a driverless car/vehicle.
It's not very easy if possible to describe why killing people in one way is acceptable but not in another way!
My take on radar is this: I don't think Tesla should try to integrate radar into their existing visual system. I think it would be nice if, in addition the the vision system, if you happen to find yourself in a dust storm or some situation with very low visibility, it'd be really nice to have the system switchover to the radar based system, so you can continue to drive.
It is 99.8 perfect . Way better than my driving
3:35 My FSD 2021 model 3 performance still has rader and ultrasonics but not FULL FSD, only driving on highway no city streets (and very limited in EU)… Vision doesn’t work if it’s raining, side pillars are fogged up or sun is low and they are blinded, so how are they going to do FSD in countries that experience bad weather most of the time…???🤯
One step at a time. There are plenty of markets where that isn't much of an issue. They don't have to solve everything for everyone, all at once.
My car is blinded every morning and I am in The Bay Area in California. I don't know how they are going to solve that, but I have confidence that they will at least to a certain degree.
Your $8K FSD license is assigned to the car and is not transferrable. So, best to just lease month to month.
If you keep your car for 3 years yes. If you keep your car for 10 years maybe not. Month to month prices can change.
It's still autonomous driving lvl 3.
I picked up a used 2020 model 3 about 6 months ago so I never used it before version 12 and the month free trial and I have been pretty blown away. It's not perfect but it's pretty darn good. I am on 12.3.4 I plan on purchasing it once my month runs out. The previous owner already had bought advance autopilot so it will only cost me 2K. Probably my favorite thing is that now when I am smoking a bowl of weed I don't have to drive with my knee.... just kidding.
As impressed as I am by the improvement I still see plenty of issues on other YT channels. Won't those need to be sorted out before robotaxi is viable? Common sense says the last 10% takes most of the time.
I rarely intervene with 12.3.4, it is much better then version 11. At this rate full FSD is surely very close. It is very exciting.
I'd like to see this working in the dark and also foggy conditions as I wonder how a vision only system is going to react as against a full LIDAR/RADAR/VISION system!
I can point you to videos in the last 24 hours where the driver had to slam on the brake as the Tesla was about to go straight into someones garden, where it went into a carpark, then got stuck because it couldnt reverse its way out of the situation. Where it took around 10 seconds to navigate a turn that would take everyone else 3. Plus many more. If I can find all of these things that prove we are 'not there' yet .. why cant you fan boys???
I love the word yet!! No one has said "we're there yet". The technology is not perfect yet, but it will be ,yet you fail to see/believe this . If you believe that the technology is all of a sudden going to stop improving then you would be correct, yet again you could be wrong. but do you REALLY think that the technology is going to stop improving, 🤔 yet that set in!
i think the problem isn't that people thinks vision isn't the answer, but more that parking sensor as example to wedge yourself in tight places this could have given better accuracy to the car neural system.
like even us humans, we are good at driving and adjusting to any situations, but when you are naviguating tight turns if you have something to tell you, you have 5cm left here you know you aren't going to go deeper into that spot.
know what i'm saying ?
I am in v12.3.4
Use it daily. It does make some mistakes like humans but key is it s able to recover like humans
Basically the car can drive itself , I feel like I am just forced to sit and supervised
Yep same version and same experience.
Same version, different experience. It gets tripped up in construction zones, especially if it needs to cross a yellow line.
In heavy traffic it doesn’t anticipate which lane to be in, and its hesitation aggravates drivers behind trying to make it through a green light or an opening at a busy traffic circle.
If the sun isn’t at the right angle, it doesn’t slow down for speed bumps and it’ll drive through a pothole. I’ve had it not see a green left turn and just sit there not knowing what to do.
Likewise, there are many blind corners with parked cars it can’t see around. Humans pick up on things like reflections in the cars across the street, sound, or even anticipating the likelihood of traffic by the time of day.
By no means am I saying that it’s not impressive. It has done some incredible things. It avoided a potential accident one time when someone wasn’t able to safely merge into my lane, but merged anyway. It was able to drive around debris that fell off a truck ahead of us.
What it can’t do, is drive unsupervised, and that’s makes it for all intents and purposes, a novelty at best. I can’t get any work done while it drives itself. We’re a long way from sending it on an hour trip by itself to pick up my wife from work. Even if the technology gets that reliable, which it currently is not, governments are not going to quickly green light fast accelerating 4000LB missiles rolling around city streets all by themselves.
@@wonmoreminute Point taken. My point is all those things you point out I frequently see teen drivers, older drivers or immigrant drivers who just started driving later in life do much worse.
But yes, Fsd needs to be clearly better than those humans if it wants to become unsupervised
Had my first intervention-free drive today. But it can only get about 150 feet from my house and it gets confused. If only it had internal maps to rely on when it got confused.
Where will fsd be by end of this year?
I have 12.3.4. I keep checking for the .5 update but it says my software is up to date. Is there a way to force update it?
No, unfortunately.
So - for me the term FSD means I can sit in the back of the car and watch telly. This seems a way away - but a better autopilot? Yes absolutely! However, a system that only occasionally lets you down seems almost more dangerous - at the point you are needed at you so lulled that you don’t react in time? Difficult to assess I’d guess.
My only complaint is that it‘ follows the law’ like a driving instructor instead of how we all drive. This irks the other drivers!
Like. Why you stopping 15 feet behind the hold line?
Why you stopping at the red light for a right turn for 5 seconds when all is clear
I have a Tesla model 3 with FSD 12.3.4 and my personal experience, for all practical purposes Tesla has solved self driving. I use it every day. There are some minor glitches but they are nothing that keeps a trip from being completed or causes a dangerous situation, that is except for the neighborhood ducks, they need to still solve that part and protect wild life from becoming road kill, everything else works to almost perfection. Never understood why people claim you couldn't do it with vision alone, that's how biological creatures have gotten around this planet for billions of years, no reason why artificial intelligence can't do the same.
Tesla model y 12.3.4 hw3. Up in Canada here and mine safely stopped for a family of Canadian geese walking slowly on the road without going for the road kills.. I guess the Canadian version learns from Canadian drivers cuz we stop for those precious birds even in rush hours...... On the other hand mine also went over the curb hugging too close to the shoulder while turning right...
I am using the free trial on my new model 3. Occasionally it does some weird stuff like hesitating to make a turn or change lanes which freaks my wife out and sometimes it amazes me like today when it pulled over for an ambulance. I have received 12.3.5 yet, hopefully it improves on the hesitation.
It's not fundamentally different than the last version. It's not actually "full self driving". It's still just a level 2.
I would love to know how a Tesla FSD is programmed if faced with 2 choices, a crash or a worse crash
My friend's FSD trial was abruptly shut off as soon as it was enabled.
LOLz
Okay?
good
Full self drive isnt safe.
can't believe sam
Driven my MY in Winter on snow and in heavy rain, I still do not believe it will work in those conditions with vision only. Granted, those conditions are rare.
I'll may give it a try once they solve the windshield wiper speed and show the correct traffic speed. Turning traffic lights also does not seem to work in europe, not sure if this would actually work with FSD, but hearing the sound that I can drive while the traffic light for turning is still red does not give me conficende that it would.
Are turning traffic lights with an arrow in them also common in the US, or is this a Europe thing that they just need to figure out?
I guess I can test it again after the update but I'm not that impressed especially for the cost. I would just stick with Auto Pilot.
I subscribed but I got version 11.x.x. Wishing it was 12.3.5.
I like my model 3 long range. Best car I ever had and I had many. I tried FSD yeah it works but now I have to watch the road AND what the FSD might or might not do. Will we have full self driving cars? yes no doubt. However while I do enjoy the driving aids. I want to drive the car myself. That’s the way I learned. I have driven in many countries and while in the Army drove Generals around with no issues. No nav, no anti lock, no cruise, no auto lights etc. I did turn the FSD off.
If people recall correctly, around the time Tesla dropped its radar and once again called out lidar and said that it would only lead to a local maximum of capability, the very developer of lidar said that Tesla was correct. So if HE says lidar might not be the saviour of autonomous driving then he just might be right and Tesla's vision based FSD might be the way to go. Just saying. Seems to be proving so as well, since V.12,3.4 and so on, and Neural Nets.
WELL WHO THE HELL IS HARD BREAKING AT YELLOW LIGHTS!!!!!!! STOP DOING IT PLEASE
If tesla's FSD be licensed, I think the price will go down, a reasonable price on fsd is 4500 dollars, but that price porobebly wount be in at least 5 - 6 years
Should always be a disclaimer i have tesla stock
Robotaxi will have a massive impact on multiple industries and many businesses won't see it coming
Taxi and Uber drivers will need new employment a couple years after robotaxi is released. Ride hailing companies win big when human drivers become unnecessary.
Hello mate
FSD is like a human with 8 eyes.
It’s not just dojo
I have v11.1 2024.3.15 and no updates available.
Why is cruse control so bad? When someone turns left in front of me the car brakes hard, long after the turning car has past. Still has phantom braking as well. I see these issues daily. Show me they can do the easy stuff before trusting my Tesla to make all the driving decisions.
maybe your cameras are dirty? Nothing like that ever happens when I'm using it and I'm in congested tourist areas as well as empty areas and done about 30 drives so far.
The biggest issue with FSD right now is't actually Teslas fault. Its painfully slow at intersections. Its very annoying for all he other human drivers on the road. I can't actually do it. People honk and scream out their windows... So regulators need to allow Tesla to make cars that drive like humans at intersections.
Otherwise it's mostly pretty good. V12.3.4.
I guess you never get behind somebody at an intersection that is staring at their phone instead of moving on.
Yes it needs to be humanized.
How is it being painfully slow at intersections, NOT Teslas fault???
Why would you buy a Ferrari or Lambo (except for the ego trip) when you can get FSD and better clean performance much cheaper?
I would bet you haven't driven a performance Ferrari at high speed.
@@archiefleming652 Tesla model 3 almost as fast as Ferrari for $50k
If Elon thought about it, he'd make FSD free for Tesla users. The competitive advantages are numerous, and will drive people to Tesla.
Xpeng? Bah.
Xpeng may eventually be the start of an FSD price war. I have long thought that FSD should be simply a part of the car. I have also wondered if at some point government regulators might mandate that FSD be in all cars. It would save many lives and probably save money.
Wee can safe billons of dollars on road deploment
PhD friend working in computer vision estimates 2030 for robotaxis. So, soon, but not 2025.
If your PhD friend is not working at Tesla, his opinion is at best just a guess.
I was 3 for 3 today
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✌🏻
If people don't like driving then ... CALL A TAXI. its a lot cheaper
Yes I think that's the plan for FSD
Try it and make a video and tell us all how much you save taking a taxi everywhere vs cost of FSD
Sometimes Taxis take a long time to get to your location.
Maybe the 1 month free trial was given a bit too early, if 12.3.5 is so good then why did Tesla not wait for something like that to be available, then people would have had time to blow their own minds as well as their passengers, friends and colleagues minds.
For data and training
Sam, tell us when FSD software is fit for purpose. They are still fixing f uk ups.
Wee can safe billions of dollar on infrastruktur and roadswork
While FSD will drastically reduce driver errors, it would do nothing to prevent 🐵 with 🕹 causing accidents. The mix of FSD cars with human driven cars, sharing the same roads is not a good idea🤯. We need regulators to step-in to create a path for transition🤞. Few fatalities, is all that is required to shutdown autonomous driving.
Just some 💭.
The regulators at NHTSA aren’t as dumb as some people think. They understand the massive impact autonomy will have on saving lives and a few accidents won’t put an end to it. Don’t confuse their need to investigate accidents with a desire to shut it all down.
@@FriedChairs Nobody is crashing right and left as it is. It is a known fact, what happened to Uber in Arizona. I am just pointing out, the need for better driving behavior on the roads, to let FSD coexist in peace. By 🐵 and 🕹 I meant humans driving cars with steering wheels, but referring to the erratic behavior.
I still isn’t working. It’s still a level three system.
and yet...all these people in the comments with the actual cars on the road say otherwise...
Does a graph exist over time that shows the amount of mistakes per KM so we can see when it’s trending to 0 or maybe ahen it’s trending lower then an average human?
The coded version were actualy having less accidents than human driving cars alone. Even cars with autopilot (highway only) were less prone to accidents than a human driver. That will be the reason for a fast approval. It saves lives.
I found it impressive, but i'd rather drive than supervise and jiggle the wheel every 30 seconds. I won't pay to be a tester for Tesla. When it's unsupervised then i'll gladly pay.
Yada, yada, yada....heard it all before many many times about being close to autonomy. I've got a Model 3 with paid FSD. After last update it missed more speed limit signs, doesn't slow down like it used to when speed limits drop so you're now speeding for a too long amount of time until it finally gets the speed down. It also still and has always had an odd "no reason" lane change thing going on where it just decides to move into the left lane with nobody around. I'd gladly take a 50% rebate and have them disable it on my car.
I Finland the police used at least earlier to check the speeding right behind the sign! You have to have the right speed when passing the sign.
@@leiflillandt1488 OOF! I'd be in trouble every dang day using FSD! LOL!