They definitely come close to everything you said, but as a receiver of this serve sometimes you have to change your starting position to get a better view. Best of luck!
@@Technical.Table.Tennis that's what they wanted so that when we move towards center for clear view of contact point, they will do down the line quick serve. irrespective of our position, neither the trajectory path nor the contact point can be obstructed period.
@@rvnraju911there is no serve in table tennis that fits your criteria. You can stand on the forehand corner and complain about practically every serve being obstructed.
@@feeltheslipstream That is exactly why the rules need to be improved. basing the rules on the "receiver" is very subjective. I might as well squat down under the table when receiving and the opponent's serve would be illegal because I "don't have clear vision of the ball" if the rules were kept that way. Instead they should be more objective, such as the ball must be visible at all time from the toss to being struck to both opponent table corner and/or both net post.
Hook serve is my favourite serve. Probably I am a mid (or perhaps a bit lower) player, I don't see how horizontal toss or hiding the contact could improve my serve yet. My tip is to make quick contact and follow by a fake motion (to confuse opponent).
@@johncraigsisac tossing the ball horizontally with a hook serve allows you to get more side spin easily as the ball is coming towards you during contact. Advantage of hiding the contact is a no brainer as the opponent needs more time to read the spin and react while receiving.
In the demo, it seems like the serve my be illegal because the ball is (a) not thrown up straight and (b) the point of contact may have been outside the edge of the table.
Hello and thanks for your input! We appreciate the analysis. Just want to mention that the rules on toss trajectory are usually pushed to the limits of what is considered acceptable even at the highest level of the game. Though if we were to look at this 100% objectively, you and many other observers of this rule would be 100% correct
The throw should be vertical, but not 100 % straight. There was a test tourney using AI when they considered that the angle of the throw could be a maximum of 30 degrees. What is shown in the demo looks like inside those rules. As for the point of contact that needs to be outside of the table (ie behind the baseline), it's really difficult to assess from this angle. Wang Chuqin is often criticized for serving inside the table and from most angles it certainly looks like it. But when you watch replays from the side, he's in fact hitting the ball just behind the baseline. The main issue with hook serve is that players often hide the point of contact with their body / shoulder / head. WCQ often does it on crucial points, same with LSD and many others. But it can totally remain effective without cheating on visibility. One of the (many!) great things about this serve is that the rotating motion from your body helps to be ready for the next stroke - if you do it well you'll end in a nice neutral position, ready to play both BH and FH. I used to serve pendulum only and have recently started to include the hook serve in my serve rotation, with great success
That's interesting! Some people will say it's illegal, some won't! That's because every player receiving position differs than the other so everyone's pov is different than the other. For example, u may stand on ur backhand wide angle and see the serve easily. While u can stand in the middle of the table and see nothing. It's all about pov !
Hook Serve is realy nice, but dangerous - like in the Video - the Ball is hide from the opposite angle for a short time - and this is a irregular Serve !!!
While it's indeed illegal to hide the ball at any time during the serve, tbh it's only when the ball is hidden AT CONTACT that it's really problematic. Service rules in TT are just too vague and with the position of referees and the lack of AI support there is no way to enforce them with consistence.
Thanks for your positivity! When we pick friends, we pick people like you ;) Yes this serve was used by players at the Olympics and the most recent WTT tourneys so we will follow their lead
If it is just to show the hitting moment of the service, it's ok. But if you want to show the whole service, it's illegal. Your free hand should be open, with the ball resting on the palm of the hand, and outside the table surface, before throwing the ball.
02:41 the serve is illegasl cause oyu can't see the contact point on the racket, 02:56 illegal cause the ball is hidden behind the left shoulder for split second, 03:11 same thing. I know there are different angles and then you probably see things differen. From your camera pov they seem illegal. Maybe don't show that, cause at least lower skilled players in my country don't abide the rules when serving.
@@Technical.Table.Tennis Does not matter if somebody find the solution. Illegal serves are big problem in table tennis and this video just makes this problem bigger.
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There’s a reason players like Lin Shidong use this serve in a tight spot, great video 👍
Dang right! We appreciate your awesome comment!
Nice serve my favorite ❤
Mine too!
Hook serves are effective because most of it are illegal.
Either with a horizontal toss, or hiding the contact with head or shoulder.
They definitely come close to everything you said, but as a receiver of this serve sometimes you have to change your starting position to get a better view. Best of luck!
@@Technical.Table.Tennis that's what they wanted so that when we move towards center for clear view of contact point, they will do down the line quick serve. irrespective of our position, neither the trajectory path nor the contact point can be obstructed period.
@@rvnraju911there is no serve in table tennis that fits your criteria. You can stand on the forehand corner and complain about practically every serve being obstructed.
@@feeltheslipstream That is exactly why the rules need to be improved. basing the rules on the "receiver" is very subjective. I might as well squat down under the table when receiving and the opponent's serve would be illegal because I "don't have clear vision of the ball" if the rules were kept that way.
Instead they should be more objective, such as the ball must be visible at all time from the toss to being struck to both opponent table corner and/or both net post.
@@darvan3996yeah you are right, the rules need change
Thx. Very deceptive. I'll practice this and add it to my repertoire! Nice music.
Glad you liked it! Can we get a subscribe from you?!
Funny! For me the music is awful! Probably I am too old.
amazing serve...nice tutorial
Thanks!
I see many pros doing that one. Thanks!
Thanks for the love! We appreciate your good vibes
Hook serve is my favourite serve. Probably I am a mid (or perhaps a bit lower) player, I don't see how horizontal toss or hiding the contact could improve my serve yet. My tip is to make quick contact and follow by a fake motion (to confuse opponent).
Amazing! Thanks for sharing your tips!
@@johncraigsisac tossing the ball horizontally with a hook serve allows you to get more side spin easily as the ball is coming towards you during contact.
Advantage of hiding the contact is a no brainer as the opponent needs more time to read the spin and react while receiving.
In the demo, it seems like the serve my be illegal because the ball is (a) not thrown up straight and (b) the point of contact may have been outside the edge of the table.
Hello and thanks for your input! We appreciate the analysis. Just want to mention that the rules on toss trajectory are usually pushed to the limits of what is considered acceptable even at the highest level of the game. Though if we were to look at this 100% objectively, you and many other observers of this rule would be 100% correct
The throw should be vertical, but not 100 % straight. There was a test tourney using AI when they considered that the angle of the throw could be a maximum of 30 degrees. What is shown in the demo looks like inside those rules. As for the point of contact that needs to be outside of the table (ie behind the baseline), it's really difficult to assess from this angle. Wang Chuqin is often criticized for serving inside the table and from most angles it certainly looks like it. But when you watch replays from the side, he's in fact hitting the ball just behind the baseline. The main issue with hook serve is that players often hide the point of contact with their body / shoulder / head. WCQ often does it on crucial points, same with LSD and many others. But it can totally remain effective without cheating on visibility. One of the (many!) great things about this serve is that the rotating motion from your body helps to be ready for the next stroke - if you do it well you'll end in a nice neutral position, ready to play both BH and FH. I used to serve pendulum only and have recently started to include the hook serve in my serve rotation, with great success
Thanks!
Welcome!
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
I feel like this serve is one of the most used serves in the pro scene
No its surely the pendulum
Yeah it is one of the most used you are right
Yeah it is for sure the pendulum but i think the second one is the hook serve
That's interesting! Some people will say it's illegal, some won't! That's because every player receiving position differs than the other so everyone's pov is different than the other. For example, u may stand on ur backhand wide angle and see the serve easily. While u can stand in the middle of the table and see nothing. It's all about pov !
Thanks! We always appreciate a pro's input.
Hook Serve is realy nice, but dangerous - like in the Video - the Ball is hide from the opposite angle for a short time - and this is a irregular Serve !!!
Yeah you could say that, but if you look at every professional player, they do illegal serves too
@@Technical.Table.Tennis thats right - so much Services are on the edge to be irregular.
While it's indeed illegal to hide the ball at any time during the serve, tbh it's only when the ball is hidden AT CONTACT that it's really problematic. Service rules in TT are just too vague and with the position of referees and the lack of AI support there is no way to enforce them with consistence.
That doesn't make it legal@@Technical.Table.Tennis
Unfortunately this looks illegal as the bal contactpoint is not visible at most serves shown
👏 bravo
Doesn’t matter. No such thing as an illegal serve anymore. Train like a pro
Thanks for your positivity! When we pick friends, we pick people like you ;) Yes this serve was used by players at the Olympics and the most recent WTT tourneys so we will follow their lead
Borderline. I've seen much worse. It's actually fine by me.
nice illegal serve
Appreciate it!
If it is just to show the hitting moment of the service, it's ok. But if you want to show the whole service, it's illegal.
Your free hand should be open, with the ball resting on the palm of the hand, and outside the table surface, before throwing the ball.
Thanks for letting us know, we will fix it next time
this serve often blocking the opponent visibility on the ball when touching the racket, thus should be illegal
Thank you, noted
So where is the hook?
Wherever you want it to be!
02:41 the serve is illegasl cause oyu can't see the contact point on the racket, 02:56 illegal cause the ball is hidden behind the left shoulder for split second, 03:11 same thing. I know there are different angles and then you probably see things differen. From your camera pov they seem illegal. Maybe don't show that, cause at least lower skilled players in my country don't abide the rules when serving.
Thanks for letting us know, we won’t next time
@@Technical.Table.Tennis You know, I appreciate the teaching effort :) No bad blood or anything.
Yeah for sure! We didn’t take it personally
It IS an illegal serve.
Just because it is not called foul in the pro circuit doesn’t mean it is legal.
99% of people will find the solution and learn to play against it, but there's always that other 1%
@@Technical.Table.Tennis Does not matter if somebody find the solution. Illegal serves are big problem in table tennis and this video just makes this problem bigger.
Open your hand when you're serving. You're hiding the ball while serving
Noted