In the US (or many other countries, Australia, Dubai) if the girls were not wearing helmets, hi-vis or the accident investigators found some headphones at the crash site, that would probably be the focus.
EDITED COMMENT: I don't think that 'just playing the blame game' is a fair description of how the UK actually operates. 1. For example, there was an accident on a vehicle/pedestrian bridge after many football fans were walking across the vehicle lanes due to the number of them after the game. The council responded by installing barriers across the length of the bridge to prevent pedestrians from walking into the vehicle lanes. The infrastructure was changed - rather than simply blaming either the football fans or the driver. 2. Without scouring google maps, I can't think of a junction that has similar conditions to the 'BEFORE' here in the East Midlands. Junctions with pedestrian crossings already seem to be slower than 50mph (80km/h), use roundabouts, traffic light controlled crossings or some combination already. Do you actually know of a similar junction in the UK? Many junctions are not convenient to cross on a bicycle because the crossings are designed for pedestrians only - since bicycles still often go on the road. The wide central verge is the main feature worth borrowing here. 3. Further, I see continued efforts at redesigning junctions, adding islands to pedestrian crossings, re-routing traffic, lowering speeds, creating larger pedestrianised areas, and restricted access areas, and new cycle lanes. I'm not sure what the overall plan is and I'm not sure it's all good, but the change is constant. 4. Overall, the UK's roads are consistently rated as amongst the safest in the world. Year after year, for many years now. For example, the UK actually suffers fewer traffic deaths per million of population than the Netherlands does. www.statista.com/statistics/323869/international-and-uk-road-deaths/ Of course, that still isn't good enough because the ideal number is 0 for everybody. In light of these observations, my suspicion is that exposure to sensationalist news and social media has distorted the perception of what actually goes on. ---ORIGINAL COMMENT--- ---A quick search says the nederlands has HIGHER road deaths per million inhabitants than the UK does.--- www.statista.com/statistics/323869/international-and-uk-road-deaths/ ---The UK already has lots of roundabouts and signal controlled crossings. I'm struggling to think of an equivalent 50mph junction that doesn't have lights or a roundabout already or both. Maybe only rural roads without much formal pedestrian or bike planning? --- ---The only thing a bit unusual is the dedicated bike lane but I have seen an increase of those in the east Midlands. Some awful and unused, but also a few recently that look exactly like nederlanders ones. --- ---Look, I'd be the first to criticise the way things are done and suggest borrowing good ideas from other countries, but by the results and the practice I don't think this is a fair picture.--- ---Don't let what the media reports on and Internet comments become your entire reality. There are lots of people still working on improving things anyway, and lots of problems other countries have that we don't see because of the language barrier and we don't live there.---
Stormveil This statistica does not give you enough information. Maybe the Dutch are making longer distances in their cars, on their bicycles or just walking. And I am pretty sure the Dutch are cycling more. More cycling means more deaths as seen in Germany there cycling grew in popularity and the road fatality rate grew with it. You have to show fatalities per million kilometers travelled by each more of transport.
On paper they're higher than the USA, but if you actually break it down by real amount, you pay 0.2% less in income taxes as an average Dutchie compared to an average American.
80 to 50 km/h is a huge reduction in terms of safety. Drivers aren't able to stop in time at 80 km/h and will only angrily honk if a cyclist misjudges a gap. Gaps also have to be much larger for someone to safely cross. I only try to cross them at roundabouts.
When I was getting my drivers license, I remember having to slam on the brakes at that crossing. It has been the only time I ever had to do that, but it was a terrifying experience. I recently traveled there again and it is so much better. So what I have to slow down, I really do not want to hit a cyclist.
This is a very nice design in my opinion. I especially like the angled approach on the top-right lane, preventing people from essentially speeding across from the entry to the exit on the other side in a straight line.
The angled approach is mainly for large trucks that can't quite use the roundabout as a car could. Yet I've seen plenty of cars at similar roundabouts using that angled approach.
@@XEinstein You're talking about 0:00 the slowly rising threshold in the center of the roundabout. Dion is talking about 0:49 the bend in the path of the upper right lane, towards the center of the roundabout.
yeah, I've seen some USA roundabouts where they do this very wrong, allowing cars to go almost completely straight, greatly reducing the effectiveness of the roundabout...
Haha,we hebben er weer een,wilt u naar Veldhoven gaan voor de nieuwe fietsbrug,mag ook in de avonduren,dank voor al uw wonderschone bijdragen,kijk er met veel plezier naar.
Can you explain why they don't use red asphalt for the cycling lanes over here? I've seen black asphalt being used in new cycling lanes near my home as well, and I don't get why they aren't trying to be consistent with the red asphalt for the cycling lanes.
@@thejaramogi1 Joh, als je niks zinnigs toe te voegen hebt....zeg het dan gewoon niet. Jij kan het niet belangrijk vinden, maar een ander wel. Iemand stelt een vraag over de kleur van het asfalt en ik leg uit dat we hier in Nederland asfalt niet kleuren met een verf, maar dat het asfalt de kleur al bij het leggen heeft.
I could wait at a roundabout in my city for about 10 minutes to probably see this (though that roundabout gives priority to cyclists, so it's a bit different). Whenever I would be in that situation and I would be alone and there would be shark teeth I would probably signal the truck driver to go on through, it takes him much more time to pick up speed again after having to come to a full stop (which, in this case was much less of a problem, because the driver could drive up slowly towards the junction).
Deze weg kan ik wel daar zit vlakbij het politie bureau en industrie terrein, het is ook een mooie route om te fietsen, BicycleDutch kom jij zelf ook uit Brabant?
@@QuodNomenTibiEst If that were the case, which would be an enormously stupid reason to get rid of greenery, it wouldn't be consistent with the green on the other sides of the roundabout and the green on the roundaboit itself.
@Wouter vanR Green on the roundabout itself isn't decreasing the safety of the roundabout. Putting grass on it can if the province decided to cut spending on that place. It can also be some extra space for emergency services as a sort of by-pass and coaches/buses use that space with their long noses too when exiting the roundabout.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 "Green on the roundabout itself isn't decreasing the safety of the roundabout. "That's simply untrue. If you were to plant trees around it for example it wouldn't be in line with the sustainable safety approach. You can't just plant al the green you want. "It can also be some extra space for emergency services as a sort of by-pass and coaches/buses use that space with their long noses too when exiting the roundabout."this works with pavers as well as grass.
On the normal bicycle , can you put anthore chain on the same sprocket , the bigger on the front with the smallest in the rear and the small on the front with the big on the rear, may be the bicycle be faster with low torque on the pedals , can you try it ?
You'd be having no actual benefit from this, but would only increase friction due to having 2 chains (oh, and even more wear of gears and chains, and it would be an awful hassle if one of the chains would fall off).
I think red asphalt is not an insignificant extra cost. And fades over time. So while it’s important for high traffic, areas that cross streets frequently in the city. They don’t colourise asphalt on non-city streets to save abit of money. - although unlike elsewhere it seems rare for the bike tracks to become on street bike lanes in the countryside, ie in the Netherlands they stay an entirely separate bicycle road.
My guess: The cycleway doesn't have priority so there's no need for it to stand out to motorists, and there's no footway so there's no need to encourage pedestrians to get off the cycleway.
"From a technical and traffic point of view, red asphalt has no added value outside the built-up area", says a municipal spokeswoman. "Moreover, it is much more expensive to construct." This is what a spokeswoman said of the Oisterwijk's municipality. However I personally think it is pure cost-based measure, that particular road and bicycle lane can be hard to differentiate in the dark.
First of, deadly cycling accident don't happen that often in the Netherlands. Only ~200 annually. I haven't looked much into it but this seems to be the only accident of this scale. The (almost) deadly accident mentioned was back in 2015, right after that there were some changes. The foliage was reduced, markings repainted and speed lowered from 80 to 70. The change to 50 was also mentioned but only possible with a roundabout. So 1-3 months is nowhere near long enough to tell, however there is lots of research done concerning safety. Hopefully an accident like this won't happen at all anymore with these changes.
Unfortunately the roundabout does not always have the intended effect. I’ve noticed people coming from Engelen don’t even have to slow down. You can pretty much just take it in a straight line which kind of defeats the point of the roundabout. The way into Engelen is better though, luckily. Still definitely an improvement in road design. Cool feature!
@@BicycleDutch I've been in a car where the driver has done it before. It is possible if there's no other traffic if you go over the wider roundabout bit, especially at 50kmh. (please note that I don't agree with doing that, clearly the roundabout is there for a reason and should be driven over in that way to increase safety for everybody's sake).
@@Pfooh not really even speed bumps have a different effect. With the car I need to slow down a lot more compared to when I drive over one with my motorcycle. There is a type of speed bump that does work but they greatly increase the chance of getting a accident with a motorcycle.
@@Jerbod2 The girls, they didn't have priority. In the new setting they still won't have priority but the speed is massively reduced because you can't take this roundabout with 80. So if people make mistakes (as they always do) the consequences are less severe.
Turns out this is a different roundabout than I thought and its two different girls that almost got crushed by a truck at a roundabout in Den Bosch 5 years ago. That's a really weird coincidence but yeah good they all survived
@@Jerbod2 on paper the girls but in real life no one was at fault becouse people make mistakes and a road that doesn't let people make mistakes is designed wrong
To be fair this looks a cheaper roundabout to build. The one in Cambridge has zebra crossings on all 4 arms which due to required electric Belisha beacons are expensive in the UK. It also has red asphalt for the cycle track. Also did the Cambridge one entirely close while being built or partially. The Dutch seem to have no problems closing entire junctions like this for rebuilding. Never seen that in the UK, they build in parts and then divert traffic. The media would act like the world is going to emplode if not. It must be cheaper to build if entirely closed I would think.
If someone does try to "maintain" the speed limit he or she might get a really good scare because it was almost impossible to keep control of the car. It might also teach them a lesson not to approach roundabouts in general that way, or when they notice that they are nearing a similar situation to reduce speed. In driving school my teacher always said "If you are or feel you are unable to look for possible dangers, you are going to fast!"
they often build temporary roads when turning an intersection into an roundabout. that way the traffic can still use the intersection (in an slightly simpler way) while they roundabout is being build. otherwise traffic would need to take a detour and those can be a big inconvenience. and we are the "cheap dutch" so if we're able to use that temporary road for an bike lane after the construction works why not. it saves money, is less bad for the environment and saves time. just another example of Dutch efficiency
No, it wasn't. There was talk of lowering the speed to 70km/h but that never happened. You could never go 80km/h but that wás the official speed limit.
I lived there for 15 years , everyday I cycled over that road to school and at that point next to the police station there was a road sign with max 60. You had to try your best to get 80 or something on that road.
Do you know if the drivers had any issues with roundabouts when they were first introduced in the Netherlands? In my area in the US, the first roundabout was installed a couple of years ago and drivers in the roundabout slow down to give way to drivers not in the roundabout yet...don't know if US drivers are just stupid or if it is simply a matter of ignorance.
I’m not dutch, I’m british, but for Britain roundabouts have existed since the start of motor traffic, so I’m afraid there probably isn’t a parallel for Europe. But there is a state in the Midwest I think, that has been converting a large portion of the intersections to roundabouts (for cost reasons) and collisions and injury decreased and I saw some footage of the intersections being used overtime, and it did seem like after 5 years it was just like a bad day in the UK.
@@MrCalls1 That's why I asked the question...I have issues with Traffic Circles in DC since they have 4-5 streets intersecting with traffic lights every 50 feet or so which makes things complicated...but small roundabouts with 2 streets intersecting should not be a problem for anybody except the ignorant or the galactically stupid.
There's one at 8th and Townsend in San Francisco that seems to work fine. A little harrowing on a bike, but manageable my SF standards. Never saw anyone misuse it, but they're somewhat common in CA.
The first traffic circles (after American example) were made in the 1930s. The surge in roundabouts began in the 1980s. A lot of behaviour stems from the details in the design. At 0:49 you can see that the incoming lanes are pointed at the traffic island in the middle. That way, cars have to slow down, to be able to take the turn. Slowing down equals to giving priority to traffic on the roundabout. I've seen American designs with approaches that are bend to fit onto the round going lane, which enables cars to speed through the crossing. It blurrs the right of way and causes people to slow down for an incoming bullet. In British dash cam videos you can see a lot of unsafe roundabouts. The single white paint dots act too much as traditional crossings you can simply drive through. The roundabouts with double lanes create too many lane swapping movements, that's why we prefer turbo roundabouts, which seperate the lanes.
@@MrCalls1 I really hate the roundabouts in the UK some of them are massive and incredibly confusing. With traffic lights that have pre sorting. How are you supposed to know which lane to go to to get to the right exit? Nightmares from when I visited from the Netherlands and also had to remember to drive left side.
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I like how the Dutch actually consider the circumstances of an accident in an area and look to improve. In the UK people just play the blame game
The pedestrian and the cyclists are to blame in Romania always as they should have known that cars don’t play by the rules.
Similar in the US.
In the US (or many other countries, Australia, Dubai) if the girls were not wearing helmets, hi-vis or the accident investigators found some headphones at the crash site, that would probably be the focus.
EDITED COMMENT: I don't think that 'just playing the blame game' is a fair description of how the UK actually operates.
1. For example, there was an accident on a vehicle/pedestrian bridge after many football fans were walking across the vehicle lanes due to the number of them after the game. The council responded by installing barriers across the length of the bridge to prevent pedestrians from walking into the vehicle lanes.
The infrastructure was changed - rather than simply blaming either the football fans or the driver.
2. Without scouring google maps, I can't think of a junction that has similar conditions to the 'BEFORE' here in the East Midlands. Junctions with pedestrian crossings already seem to be slower than 50mph (80km/h), use roundabouts, traffic light controlled crossings or some combination already. Do you actually know of a similar junction in the UK? Many junctions are not convenient to cross on a bicycle because the crossings are designed for pedestrians only - since bicycles still often go on the road. The wide central verge is the main feature worth borrowing here.
3. Further, I see continued efforts at redesigning junctions, adding islands to pedestrian crossings, re-routing traffic, lowering speeds, creating larger pedestrianised areas, and restricted access areas, and new cycle lanes. I'm not sure what the overall plan is and I'm not sure it's all good, but the change is constant.
4. Overall, the UK's roads are consistently rated as amongst the safest in the world. Year after year, for many years now.
For example, the UK actually suffers fewer traffic deaths per million of population than the Netherlands does. www.statista.com/statistics/323869/international-and-uk-road-deaths/
Of course, that still isn't good enough because the ideal number is 0 for everybody.
In light of these observations, my suspicion is that exposure to sensationalist news and social media has distorted the perception of what actually goes on.
---ORIGINAL COMMENT---
---A quick search says the nederlands has HIGHER road deaths per million inhabitants than the UK does.---
www.statista.com/statistics/323869/international-and-uk-road-deaths/
---The UK already has lots of roundabouts and signal controlled crossings. I'm struggling to think of an equivalent 50mph junction that doesn't have lights or a roundabout already or both. Maybe only rural roads without much formal pedestrian or bike planning? ---
---The only thing a bit unusual is the dedicated bike lane but I have seen an increase of those in the east Midlands. Some awful and unused, but also a few recently that look exactly like nederlanders ones. ---
---Look, I'd be the first to criticise the way things are done and suggest borrowing good ideas from other countries, but by the results and the practice I don't think this is a fair picture.---
---Don't let what the media reports on and Internet comments become your entire reality. There are lots of people still working on improving things anyway, and lots of problems other countries have that we don't see because of the language barrier and we don't live there.---
Stormveil This statistica does not give you enough information. Maybe the Dutch are making longer distances in their cars, on their bicycles or just walking. And I am pretty sure the Dutch are cycling more. More cycling means more deaths as seen in Germany there cycling grew in popularity and the road fatality rate grew with it. You have to show fatalities per million kilometers travelled by each more of transport.
This is exactly why I don't mind the relative high taxes here in the Netherlands.
nope is nog steeds te hoog
Nee hoor, nog veels te laag.
On paper they're higher than the USA, but if you actually break it down by real amount, you pay 0.2% less in income taxes as an average Dutchie compared to an average American.
80 to 50 km/h is a huge reduction in terms of safety. Drivers aren't able to stop in time at 80 km/h and will only angrily honk if a cyclist misjudges a gap. Gaps also have to be much larger for someone to safely cross. I only try to cross them at roundabouts.
When I was getting my drivers license, I remember having to slam on the brakes at that crossing. It has been the only time I ever had to do that, but it was a terrifying experience. I recently traveled there again and it is so much better. So what I have to slow down, I really do not want to hit a cyclist.
Tell that to the cyclist, headless chickens thinking their skull won't crack between a wheel and the pavement because they are protected traffic
@@Nightdare Hey, accidents happen. It's always better to make infra safer than to blame cyclists or some else.
@@hoi264
You can make things as safe as you want
It's not gonna work if people simply consider themselves invulnerable and unaccountable
This is a very nice design in my opinion. I especially like the angled approach on the top-right lane, preventing people from essentially speeding across from the entry to the exit on the other side in a straight line.
The angled approach is mainly for large trucks that can't quite use the roundabout as a car could. Yet I've seen plenty of cars at similar roundabouts using that angled approach.
@@XEinstein You're talking about 0:00 the slowly rising threshold in the center of the roundabout.
Dion is talking about 0:49 the bend in the path of the upper right lane, towards the center of the roundabout.
yeah, I've seen some USA roundabouts where they do this very wrong, allowing cars to go almost completely straight, greatly reducing the effectiveness of the roundabout...
I like that you bring so many details from Netherlands to me. Thank you
Another excellent video Mark, it's just way too short. I could easily listen to you talking about this roundabout for 30 minutes.
You can stay on a roudabout for an hour or even longer, if you like.
I used to go to school in Engelen and that intersection is really dangerous for bicycling, I’m glad they fixed it
My country Scotland should be following the Dutch cycling examples.
not to hilly ?
@@c-baazb5668 yes flatten all the mountains ⛰.
@@mysurlytrucker7510 or introduce E bikes and preserve the idylic scenery
@@c-baazb5668 mm OK jup keep the hills and e bikes like mine.
@@mysurlytrucker7510 we'll keep flatten hills in mind as plan B ....LOL
Excellent spotlight, Mark -- fantastic video as always.
It's good to see progress. Thanks for sharing
0.21-0.27: This is not oncommon in the Netherlands, that drivers of both HGV's and cars give priority to cyclists, when the driver has priority.
Quality video once again, BicycleDutch. Thank you!
Haha,we hebben er weer een,wilt u naar Veldhoven gaan voor de nieuwe fietsbrug,mag ook in de avonduren,dank voor al uw wonderschone bijdragen,kijk er met veel plezier naar.
Can you explain why they don't use red asphalt for the cycling lanes over here? I've seen black asphalt being used in new cycling lanes near my home as well, and I don't get why they aren't trying to be consistent with the red asphalt for the cycling lanes.
They just opened, the Red asphalt will eventually be done!
they didn't feel like it. though used a lot, red isn't actually mandatory.
@@thejaramogi1 Red Asphalt is colored asphalt, not painted red.
@@Dutch3DMaster Lekker belangrijk!
@@thejaramogi1 Joh, als je niks zinnigs toe te voegen hebt....zeg het dan gewoon niet.
Jij kan het niet belangrijk vinden, maar een ander wel. Iemand stelt een vraag over de kleur van het asfalt en ik leg uit dat we hier in Nederland asfalt niet kleuren met een verf, maar dat het asfalt de kleur al bij het leggen heeft.
For how much time did you have to wait to get footage of a truck stopping for two girl cyclists!?
I live in Engelen, there is no middle school in Engelen so every student needs to cross that before they go to school.
I could wait at a roundabout in my city for about 10 minutes to probably see this (though that roundabout gives priority to cyclists, so it's a bit different). Whenever I would be in that situation and I would be alone and there would be shark teeth I would probably signal the truck driver to go on through, it takes him much more time to pick up speed again after having to come to a full stop (which, in this case was much less of a problem, because the driver could drive up slowly towards the junction).
Thanks man, this is right near where I grew up haha nice to see a video about it.
In the us they see someone get killed then build more car lanes
Deze weg kan ik wel daar zit vlakbij het politie bureau en industrie terrein, het is ook een mooie route om te fietsen, BicycleDutch kom jij zelf ook uit Brabant?
I live in Engelen and it is much safer now, the accident was shocking and confronting to hear it happend.
Why are the traffic islands filled in with brick though? Make them green as well.
Perhaps because of the maintenance? The gras will grow taller and needs mowing. Otherwise the view might be obstructed.
@@QuodNomenTibiEst If that were the case, which would be an enormously stupid reason to get rid of greenery, it wouldn't be consistent with the green on the other sides of the roundabout and the green on the roundaboit itself.
I was wondering the same, there are plenty of grass alternatives that need less maintenance and still look quite pretty.
@Wouter vanR Green on the roundabout itself isn't decreasing the safety of the roundabout. Putting grass on it can if the province decided to cut spending on that place. It can also be some extra space for emergency services as a sort of by-pass and coaches/buses use that space with their long noses too when exiting the roundabout.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 "Green on the roundabout itself isn't decreasing the safety of the roundabout. "That's simply untrue. If you were to plant trees around it for example it wouldn't be in line with the sustainable safety approach. You can't just plant al the green you want.
"It can also be some extra space for emergency services as a sort of by-pass and coaches/buses use that space with their long noses too when exiting the roundabout."this works with pavers as well as grass.
On the normal bicycle , can you put anthore chain on the same sprocket , the bigger on the front with the smallest in the rear and the small on the front with the big on the rear, may be the bicycle be faster with low torque on the pedals , can you try it ?
You'd be having no actual benefit from this, but would only increase friction due to having 2 chains (oh, and even more wear of gears and chains, and it would be an awful hassle if one of the chains would fall off).
I noticed that cycleway asphalt color is not red. Is there are any reasons for it?
Outside of the city limits they don't need to be red if they're separated.
I think red asphalt is not an insignificant extra cost. And fades over time.
So while it’s important for high traffic, areas that cross streets frequently in the city. They don’t colourise asphalt on non-city streets to save abit of money. - although unlike elsewhere it seems rare for the bike tracks to become on street bike lanes in the countryside, ie in the Netherlands they stay an entirely separate bicycle road.
MrCalls1 red asphalt does not fade over time, because it’s red asphalt, not some form of paint
@@MrCalls1 I think it is black because it was the former temporary road. And like some said red asphalt does not fade.
My guess: The cycleway doesn't have priority so there's no need for it to stand out to motorists, and there's no footway so there's no need to encourage pedestrians to get off the cycleway.
Thank you for your videos :) :)
Is not having the red asphalt a consius decision, or did they want to open up asap?
oh u meant for cycleway... i didnt get that earlier ruclips.net/video/pQWysIjvJLk/видео.htmllc=Ugx5zXE-2Z1tYMA8TjN4AaABAg
"From a technical and traffic point of view, red asphalt has no added value outside the built-up area", says a municipal spokeswoman. "Moreover, it is much more expensive to construct."
This is what a spokeswoman said of the Oisterwijk's municipality.
However I personally think it is pure cost-based measure, that particular road and bicycle lane can be hard to differentiate in the dark.
1 month after uploading, are there less deadly accidents ?
First of, deadly cycling accident don't happen that often in the Netherlands. Only ~200 annually.
I haven't looked much into it but this seems to be the only accident of this scale.
The (almost) deadly accident mentioned was back in 2015, right after that there were some changes.
The foliage was reduced, markings repainted and speed lowered from 80 to 70. The change to 50 was also mentioned but only possible with a roundabout.
So 1-3 months is nowhere near long enough to tell, however there is lots of research done concerning safety.
Hopefully an accident like this won't happen at all anymore with these changes.
Unfortunately the roundabout does not always have the intended effect. I’ve noticed people coming from Engelen don’t even have to slow down. You can pretty much just take it in a straight line which kind of defeats the point of the roundabout. The way into Engelen is better though, luckily. Still definitely an improvement in road design. Cool feature!
From Engelen? I think it is very unlikely that you can take this at high speed. bicycledutch.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/rountabout-engelen15.jpg
@@BicycleDutch looks like it's possible with a motorcycle
@@BicycleDutch I've been in a car where the driver has done it before. It is possible if there's no other traffic if you go over the wider roundabout bit, especially at 50kmh. (please note that I don't agree with doing that, clearly the roundabout is there for a reason and should be driven over in that way to increase safety for everybody's sake).
@@lexroet1215 There's not much that can be done about motorcycles speeding, i guess?
@@Pfooh not really even speed bumps have a different effect. With the car I need to slow down a lot more compared to when I drive over one with my motorcycle. There is a type of speed bump that does work but they greatly increase the chance of getting a accident with a motorcycle.
Did you actually manage to film two girls cycling and be given preference of way by a truck?
I'm friends with both those girls! Good to see the situation got changed there
Who was at fault at the tome, the driver or the girls?
@@Jerbod2 The girls, they didn't have priority. In the new setting they still won't have priority but the speed is massively reduced because you can't take this roundabout with 80. So if people make mistakes (as they always do) the consequences are less severe.
Turns out this is a different roundabout than I thought and its two different girls that almost got crushed by a truck at a roundabout in Den Bosch 5 years ago. That's a really weird coincidence but yeah good they all survived
@@Jerbod2 on paper the girls but in real life no one was at fault becouse people make mistakes and a road that doesn't let people make mistakes is designed wrong
What was the cost of this roundabout please as we have just had one constructed in Cambridge England for £2.4 million which is a grossly sum of money.
I was told such roundabouts are about half a million euros.
To be fair this looks a cheaper roundabout to build. The one in Cambridge has zebra crossings on all 4 arms which due to required electric Belisha beacons are expensive in the UK. It also has red asphalt for the cycle track. Also did the Cambridge one entirely close while being built or partially. The Dutch seem to have no problems closing entire junctions like this for rebuilding. Never seen that in the UK, they build in parts and then divert traffic. The media would act like the world is going to emplode if not. It must be cheaper to build if entirely closed I would think.
Nice circle junction
Is moving to the Netherlands worth it? 😀
You are making a joke but the biggest joke is that you are not moving
Lousy weather most of the time :(
How can a car driver manage that roundabout at 50kmph?
You don't, that's the point right there.
If someone does try to "maintain" the speed limit he or she might get a really good scare because it was almost impossible to keep control of the car. It might also teach them a lesson not to approach roundabouts in general that way, or when they notice that they are nearing a similar situation to reduce speed.
In driving school my teacher always said "If you are or feel you are unable to look for possible dangers, you are going to fast!"
the speed LIMIT is 50kpmph. it isn't the minimum speed
Lol I cycle there every day because I live in Engelen 😂😂
Did they build a temporary road on the side and then partially remove it and leave only the width of the bike path?
That wide road needs to be maintained as well which costs money. Also, the removed asphalt can be reused elsewhere.
they often build temporary roads when turning an intersection into an roundabout.
that way the traffic can still use the intersection (in an slightly simpler way) while they roundabout is being build.
otherwise traffic would need to take a detour and those can be a big inconvenience.
and we are the "cheap dutch" so if we're able to use that temporary road for an bike lane after the construction works why not.
it saves money, is less bad for the environment and saves time. just another example of Dutch efficiency
The road before the accident happened was max 60 km/h
No, it wasn't. There was talk of lowering the speed to 70km/h but that never happened. You could never go 80km/h but that wás the official speed limit.
Many people even think the limit now is 30 km/h, since they are so slow all the way from the Haverleij in the back of Engelen untill this roundabout.
I lived there for 15 years , everyday I cycled over that road to school and at that point next to the police station there was a road sign with max 60. You had to try your best to get 80 or something on that road.
Meanwhile in the US, if a truck driver hits a pedestrian, they lose their license, and nothing changes.
0:15 it's f*cked up.
i wish my country was half as flat as nl
We stop carrefour in the US.
What is wrong with Birtain's first Dutch-style roundabout? ruclips.net/video/7OE6BSJ1_8M/видео.html
Do you know if the drivers had any issues with roundabouts when they were first introduced in the Netherlands? In my area in the US, the first roundabout was installed a couple of years ago and drivers in the roundabout slow down to give way to drivers not in the roundabout yet...don't know if US drivers are just stupid or if it is simply a matter of ignorance.
I’m not dutch, I’m british, but for Britain roundabouts have existed since the start of motor traffic, so I’m afraid there probably isn’t a parallel for Europe.
But there is a state in the Midwest I think, that has been converting a large portion of the intersections to roundabouts (for cost reasons) and collisions and injury decreased and I saw some footage of the intersections being used overtime, and it did seem like after 5 years it was just like a bad day in the UK.
@@MrCalls1 That's why I asked the question...I have issues with Traffic Circles in DC since they have 4-5 streets intersecting with traffic lights every 50 feet or so which makes things complicated...but small roundabouts with 2 streets intersecting should not be a problem for anybody except the ignorant or the galactically stupid.
There's one at 8th and Townsend in San Francisco that seems to work fine. A little harrowing on a bike, but manageable my SF standards. Never saw anyone misuse it, but they're somewhat common in CA.
The first traffic circles (after American example) were made in the 1930s. The surge in roundabouts began in the 1980s. A lot of behaviour stems from the details in the design. At 0:49 you can see that the incoming lanes are pointed at the traffic island in the middle. That way, cars have to slow down, to be able to take the turn. Slowing down equals to giving priority to traffic on the roundabout. I've seen American designs with approaches that are bend to fit onto the round going lane, which enables cars to speed through the crossing. It blurrs the right of way and causes people to slow down for an incoming bullet. In British dash cam videos you can see a lot of unsafe roundabouts. The single white paint dots act too much as traditional crossings you can simply drive through. The roundabouts with double lanes create too many lane swapping movements, that's why we prefer turbo roundabouts, which seperate the lanes.
@@MrCalls1 I really hate the roundabouts in the UK some of them are massive and incredibly confusing. With traffic lights that have pre sorting. How are you supposed to know which lane to go to to get to the right exit? Nightmares from when I visited from the Netherlands and also had to remember to drive left side.
Looks like progress but still seems dangerous for cyclists.
27 ago cool
Cool. That is what I understood the rest is probably lost in translation.
@@Paul_C 27 minutes ago? idk