@@لا-معبود--حق--إلا-اللهyou believe that the Quran is uncreated. But the Quran is not Allah. So you have 2 uncreated beings, separate from each other, and it is said that in heaven the Quran will speak to Allah. So is it Allah speaking to Allah? I don’t think so. Your religion is polytheistic and you should return to the original and worship HaShem.
The great thing about old cars is that all of their faults are now well known and you can make an informed risk choice or budget for mitigation - ie; IMS bearings on Porsches, etc.
Excellent point, bore scoring on 911 engines (which the web will have you believe never happens), but I had to spend tens of thousands of dollars fixing 😂
Doug, I think there’s another critical factor to consider….the usage model for the car, is this car going to your daily or frequently driven car, or more of a car that you enjoy on weekends for a fun drive. I am much more open to buying an older, well cared for car if I will only put a couple thousand miles on it each year. I personally wouldn’t want to daily a 20 year old performance car. Bill
The concept that you are buying the seller and not the car is a piece of advice that I have never heard before in 25 years of car ownership, and is absolutely on point from my experience.
I was surprised that Doug did not talk about experience of driving more. And the use you plan for the car - daily, dinner out with the significant other, Sunday drives, HPDE, Autocross, Time Trials,
This breakdown was way more objectively financial advice than the kinds of things I was thinking you were going to talk about. For a sports car/performance car, newer will be much faster, but the experience will be more numbed. I prefer the slower and more analog experience. My sports car is a 1990 Rx7 and its dog slow, but it is so much more engaging than nearly anything sold today and you can’t make me stop smiling when I’m driving it. If I had the money, I’d probably get like a C7 Corvette, which I still consider a “newer” car but doing a comparable cost with the older Rx7, it’d be more likely compared to a Miata or GR86/BRZ
"the experience will be numbed" is the single best way to have stated this truth. Just bought a 2010 STi back in June 2024 to build and daily-drive primarily because I wanted something raw, yet somewhat modern. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
2:56 I purchased an S2000 off of cars and bids in May of 23’ and it had this exact issue of working for maybe a month before the engine blew and I was out just about the entire value of the car. Such a heart break but such is the world of used cars, especially fun ones.
Sorry to hear that! No matter how nice the photos are, a used car is never a promise. Learned that when I bought my first car a decade ago and 10 minutes into the drive home the engine gave out. I spent more on the tow home than on the car that day lol Did you ship the S200 or drive it home when you won the bid?
@@mateogarcia4500 I looked at the history of s2ks sold at that time I'm guessing you had an ap1 . The early cars had retainer issues when over revved , timing chain tensioner issues , and generally needed to be checked for oil consumption frequently . Normally most buyers are aware of these issues and are prevented , curious as to what happened specifically to yours if you don't mind elaborating
I bought a Porsche 997.2 five years ago with 60000 miles and I've only had to do the normal scheduled maintenance. The car is now worth more than I paid.
Other thing about those CPOs is that they tend to come with an extended and extendable warranty. You can get a 1-5 year old mercedes with whatever is left on the original warranty, then the 1 year unlimited CPO warranty takes over, then you can extend that to a 2 or 3 (I forget) year limited warranty that handles most of the truly expensive stuff and be good to go for years even if something does happen to it
I rented a new 911 for several days. I was surprised to find that my 2012 Panamera GTS had better road feel. And, my 2008 Boxster S, which is much slower, was frankly much more fun to drive. The stick helps.
Great Video . . . I will say modern equals heavy. But they generally have more horsepower. In my collection I have a 1999 Porsche Carrera 4, 1999 Lotus Esprit V8, 1999 Dodge Viper RT/10 and a 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena. I love driving them as well as the newer ones, I will say I feel more connected to the road in the older cars. And all that is caveated by the fact that I am 57 years old, so you could say I am an older model!
@@nucleargrizzly1776 The 360 I had the mirror switch go bad, would not press and select the left mirror. I recently had to replace the ride height detection switch that sort of tells the computer how to manage the active suspension. Other than that, not much . . .belts and clutch have been done in the past few years.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 You know, knock on wood, not a lot of bespoke parts i have had to replace. The clutch parts are all still available, if the trans goes, i am in trouble. If the motor has major issues, I am in trouble. But since Lotus was such a small outfit, many of their parts are taken from other manufacturers from Japanese to GM, GM owned them at the time so these cars are cobbled together from whatever they could get. The owner community is great as far as support. But you do have to be willing to roll the dice when you go out and get into it. Mine is bone stock, no increased boost, just stock. i think it is well within the limits of the car to handle 350hp.
Always seems to be more economical to fix what you have or to buy older. But sometimes in life, you just need something new and pretty and clean. I’m speaking of a car by the way.
I did both. Bought a Jaguar XF new, watched it depreciate to almost nothing over 11 years (but forgave it every time I drove it) and then traded it in for a lowish miles 6 year old XJ 351 with the very rare SC V6. Bought it from a second hand car dealer (!) but it has turned out well. Will have to check those coolant pipes under the supercharger soon though.
6:50-9:40 - PERFECT advice for buying an older performance/exotic. A very decent quality '09 Manual V8 R8 in England costs around £40K and has totally bottomed out on depreciation. I did my research and found all the common issues that could reasonably be investigated and for the ones that can't, I trusted the seller on his word. The private seller was highly educated, so genuine and honest about it's flaws, car itself was meticulously cleaned and maintained and was proud of his Full Audi Service History. Two years of ownership and not a single major issue. A far cry from my Nissan 350Z ownership experience from (in hindsight) a shady dealership but that's another story. I truly bought the seller, not the car.
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, just like politicians, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it. Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment and kill me. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it. Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment and kill me. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into detail about this specific car. When I asked about common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving me a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it. Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 months warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5k on a car I paid £4k for. He didn't even recommend me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and it could literally fall apart whilst driving. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1k.
@nyquilhelps4212 - First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it. Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment whilst driving. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
Something that Doug is now too rich to consider. Are you financing the car? Right now is a unique time where buying new is much more attractive than used. The interest rates are much lower, especially with manufacturers like Mazda offering 0% interest for the first 4 years.
Nah. The problem with low rate deals is that they're almost always only offered on slower selling, less fun models. If you look at the Mazda deals right now the best they'll offer you is 4.9% on a MX-5 Miata. Financing is expensive now and you're only going to be finding low rates on models that the manufacturers can't move without incentives. Toyota had plenty of 0% APR deals when I was looking to buy my GR Corolla last year, but they wanted to offer me 9% APR (I have a 800 credit score and had 30% down payment, so it wasn't a case of bad credit). Financed through a third party at 5.7% instead.
I went back and forth with buying a fun car to drive. I finally decided I didn't want to chase problems with the older cars that I wanted. I ended up buying a 2023 GR Supra. It spoke to me on multiple levels and especially since I always loved cars made from cooperative efforts from two different manufacturers. resale value basically sits around what I paid for it so I think I made the right choice.
I'd like to hear your opinion on aftermarket warranties. Wife and I regularly buy used Porsches and generally get an aftermarket warranty on them - which we have never used. (Knock wood). Nice vid.
I’ve had 2 new cars and 5 used. The car I kept the longest was a CPO Audi that was 2 years old when I bought it, a factory lease return. I kept that car for 14 years. Had very few issues. My next car is going to be a CPO as well, 1-2 years old.
I am the original owner of a 1999 986 Boxster and just got a 2023 718 Spyder. Love them both. For the money, the Boxster is an amazing car to this day. Puts a smile on my face when in either one.
"I've never really had any major issues I can think of with really any of my daily driver cars." I certainly didn't get RUclips-famous making a whole long video series entirely about all the major issues I had with my daily driver car.
An important caveat to maintenance and repairs is how comfortable you are doing them yourself. I just bought a 986S and there is nothing I don't think I'd attempt to do on it. So I get a Porsche driving experience (it really is as good as they say) for a fraction of the cost and the fun of owning a classic car keeping it working amd nice on my own.
My '69 Z28 and '73 911 have been been very reliable and relatively inexpensive to repair (I can do everything myself). Both have appreciated in value. Both are slower yet more fun on a twisty road than any new car I've driven.
I NEED to know the name of that dealership that sold you the E class wagon. Nobody can really get a good deal on a new or slightly used car these days, or at least in my experience.
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Yup. I’ve seen $8K cars with $16K price tags on em…
Doug is the type of guy to advise buying older cars because he can't stomach the depreciation -- while sitting in front of his car which cost more than I will spend only buying new cars for my entire lifetime.
He flip flops so much! He said at the end of his Ferrari F355 video he could never buy one because of the cost of maintenance yet he proceeds to buy over 2 million dollars worth of super cars!😂
Old. The end. They’re more about connecting the driver to the machine and to the road. And you can feel comfortable wringing them out without bankrupting yourself. Plus, I can’t afford new, so that too lol.
My 90s sports car suits me well. I’ve always liked fiddling with and repairing old things. And I bought a nicely kept one, so I didn’t have to do much quickly- I can handle things as they come along, and they do come along. I also bought it right after it hit the bottom of its depreciation curve, and it’s already worth a little bit more than what I bought it for.
Another thing that doesn't get mentioned enough is don't buy a car you can't afford. I have always paid cash for the cars I wanted, even though sometimes it meant a sub 10k Toyota. And always leave a few extra thousands for eventualities when the car does break down. I have seen too many sad stories.
I'd rather own a 35 year old car that's been well-maintained than a 5 year old car that's just been driven and maybe had its oil changed a couple times. I don't know why so many people are terrified of doing maintenance, it's not rocket science. Doesn't matter if it's a 2024 model or a 1985 model, EVERY car needs maintenance.
Really great video, I'll probably show this to some friends and maybe my parents, lol. I've been watching since I was 17 when I got my license and I've bought 4 cars since then. I've done pretty good in terms of reliability, the cars are dead solid, but my daily driver, the newest car, not the most recent car, is going to really hurt me on taxes and interest. In my province, New Brunswick, the sales tax is 15% on the dollar. Not to mention interest rates were sky high when I bought it (8.99% for 7Y). It's worth learning how to calculate interest over the length of your term and adding that to the budget. Obviously, this is a "young and dumb" mistake, but nothing I won't learn about and recover from. Also, the car is a 2017 Ford Fusion Sport. Truly underrated sport sedan if that's what you're after. Great vid Doug
I'm now on my 2nd Subaru Outback(2017). I bought it as a low mileage certified used car in 2020 at a Subaru dealer in N. Cal. It has been so far extremely reliable. I'm a senior and I like to buy vehicles that come with a warranty. I try to keep it in excellent condition. If I choose to sell it I wouldn't lose much value. This is my 2nd certified Subaru Outback(2014) that I've purchased. The first one was a 2014 almost exactly like the second one. I sold it just before the warranty ran out. It was also extremely reliable.and It held it's value extremely well. I didn't lose any money when I sold it.......
Yes, I totally agree with you! To me, modern cars are nice, and while sure, you no longer get an I6 engine in a standard 3 Series for example, in most cases, you are only driving in traffic, you wouldn't hear the roar of the I6 at high revs 99% of the time so they are fine :) But if you're buying a car to have fun, THAT is when you look at older cars, because most new cars, aren't really that fun anymore, the 911 is a massive GT now, no longer a spotrs car, etc. That is when this comparison of "old vs new" makes the most sense to me 🤔
Yes, very good points! I also want to add that it depends very much on if you have a car brand and model that you REALLY love the looks of, and heard many good things about. Then it is worth for you to take a mitigated risk chance (like Doug explained in this video) to own this particular make and model. The trouble then becomes to find a specific car with the exact combination of model year (for example before or after facelift), colour, engine, transmission, interior (trim, extras, seats, cloth or leather) and included tech. That can really narrow your selection down to zero if you chose a combination that few people chose when new. I have experience from this, and eventually had to let the colour and interior choice go. It was difficult and I somewhat regret it today, but if you wait too long, eventually the chance to find the perfect combination can pass you by because of circumstances you can’t control.
Another reason is because these certified pre-owned cars have been real world tested for many thousands of miles - not just the cursory few miles that the new cars roll into consumers hands with - and the original manufacturers have decided that only these specific cars meet the criteria for CPO. They don't CPO every car. I do the same thing. I rarely buy new cars. My current 3 cars 2016 AMG GtS, 2021 BMW 840 Gran Coupe, and 2019 Range Rover Velar HSE were all purchased CPO.
Was discussing this topic of new vs used and risk tolerance/cost of ownership and repairs with my dad yesterday, while showing him what awesome he could get on C&B vs him telling me what he was planning to get from a local dealership new
I had a Lancia Delta Integrale that was mostly trouble free for 17,000 miles then much later got a 2016 Lexus RCF, so I have had both ends of the spectrum. Eventually I decided my fun car needed to reliably travel 3 hours on the interstate with no problems
Other times when it's the right choice to buy a new car: when it's the only way to ensure you get the option package you want (and/or where checking the right boxes will reduce depreciation) For example, If I had the money 12 years ago, I would've bought a CTS-V Wagon with the manual.
Mazda offers 6yrs or 200.000km warranties in my country. Buying an mx5 was my dream since 2017. I got a new one last year(2024) since i like the ideea of not caring about more than regular maintenance since i also have small kids and don't want to deal with car mechanics for a while.
About 7 years ago I almost fell prey to the salacious idea of buying a pre-owned Jaguar XK convertible. After all, the cost of acquisition seemed so reasonable….but then my suspicions kicked in about cost of maintenance. After calling a local reputable car mechanic, he said….IF YOU BUT THUS TYPE OF CAR, JUST BE PREPARED TO HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD READILY AVAILABLE FOR UNTOLD REPAIRS. It was at that point, after finishing my call, that I experienced blissful amnesia about ever buying that type of car.
As a car enthusiast that's also a diesel mechanic with plenty of tools, I'll stock with my older cars. You know, the ones that rely on you to be aware, know how to drive, relatively easy to fix and parts aren't so expensive. 😎
As my daughter said once: driving a new car only shows that you have a good credit, the old car shows your personality. She’s driving a GS400 I got her 3 years ago when she got her driving license.
I bought a 2003 E55 AMG in ‘21 and the last four years have been trouble free. Seriously, just oil changes and new tires/alignment. Older cars have had the time to prove themselves as reliable or not. Plus older cars are usually way cooler 😎 trying to get into a 1999 C43 for my next daily driver!
A very large variable, whether you have a good relationship with, and access to, a trustworthy mechanic. I am comfortable with my few aged cars because I know that I will get a fair appraisal and price for the things that come up. In the past, when I moved for work or whatnot, I didn't know a good mechanic and I was so grateful to have a Toyota econobox to rely on and not low production German dailies.
We're not going to talk about that Band-Aid on your eyebrow buddy? Lol My theory is he told Fillipo that he doesn't know about enthusiast cars one too many times, and Fillipo threw his espresso at Doug.
I drive a 2005 Town Car that I bought for $1700 5 years ago. Put a total of around $1k into it and got 50k miles in return. A monthly payment for a similar new car is at least $800/mo. Investments have been running around 12% annualized. Unless you hate money, there's not much to discuss there.
That's pretty much it, you can always trade between money (for new car) or time and willingness to learn and find out (for an old car). Just remember no matter how well kept the car is, when people know they're switching cars they will stop with the maintenance so when buying old cars always budget for maintenance and repairs you need to do straight away. Don't trust the seller unreservedly, I always take the car for change of oil, break fluids and coolant, power steering and gear oil if needed. When buying new or old car if it's a car you're gonna use get one you can afford to keep.
Don't really think you touched enough on the feel. Less electronics. Lighter weight. More direct usually (cable throttle, hydraulic/manual steering). That's what I want to know.
If you buy a used car and as most people do, finance a loan for the car, you’ll pay higher interest rates than on a new car and will get no built in oil changes and service. You may save on depreciation buying used but you’ll be a one wonder seller when you sell your new car.
"as most people do", so you are saying "most people" are stupid then? Financing a used car, especially a performance used car, is financial suicide waiting to happen. If you don't have the money DO NOT BUY IT. There are EXTREMLY FEW situations where this is acceptable and one of them implies that you have the money for it, but invest them in something that fully offsets the cost of the loan.
For me, buy new and keep for a long time to avoid risk and unmet expectations. - After 30+ years of buying new and used sporty/sports cars, I’ve learned buying new is the best way to go for me. Even PPI and CPO doesn’t catch everything and once I find something (usually weeks later after driving and detailing the car) then it leads to me selling it. This hasn’t happen to me with new cars.
I've had enough crappy used cars that it's only new cars for my daily driver. I want that full factory warranty and I want to know how it's been driven since day 1. I have a classic car for fun but I don't rely on it for daily transportation.
buying brand new and keeping for 10+ years is the optimal. you spread the depreciation out over so many years that it doesn't become that big of a deal, and having the car from day 1 you can strictly stick to the maintenance schedule and always make sure to monitor how things are, so nothing should come as a surprise.
Best bang for buck is Vettes, its wild to see the C7 Z06s still going for 80k+ when their MSRP is 84k or so, up until recent years I never realized Vettes were that reliable, previously lumped them in with the Hellcats and other American muscle cars. However, they are in a different league when it comes to handling.
C6 Z06 here, with the heads addressed. Got a smokin deal on it, but was not looking for a Z because of the head issue. Love the analog everything in the C6. Test drove a C7, hated the gauges and the 7 speed.
I think everyone needs a base level of reliability. So your first vehicle should be either a ND2 Miata, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, GTI, or BRZ/86. But this vehicle in the best condition you can easily afford. Your next vehicle should be a racing kart. This kart will fulfill every desire you have to go fast. It will also get you comfortable with maintaining a vehicle.
That DB9 vs DB12 comparison is an interesting one, because if you're not absolutely loaded you're almost never going to buy a new, top end car. Going for a low mileage DB11 is an interesting shout, too, half the depreciation's happened already but it's still reasonably modern. However if you're just looking at a car like those to enjoy as a drivers car without the need to reliably travel from A to B, just to enjoy the act of driving, would you really even want a DB11? Wouldn't you rather get a manual vantage with the v8 or an old DBS? This is extremely personal obviously, but for most people that just love driving, at least of my friends, the car being "analog" and raw is a necessity, and an actual manual from 20 years ago without any of the endless tech stuff of today is almost always going to be the choice. Sure, if you want a nice GT car to travel cross-country for a week or two, or just making your daily commute more comfortable and fun, yeah, a DB9 or 575 or whatever is not what you want at all, but are the modern equivalents any better, truly? I don't know
Doug meantions the sweet spot and for Porsches that would definitely be a 991 or a 981. Old enough to the point that they have lost a significant amount of value but new enough to be reliable. My 981 has 110k miles on it and it has been a dream to own
When talking about risk and comparing "equivalent" cars rather it's also important to consider the total purchase price not just depreciation. The maximum amount you can loose is 100% of the purchase price. So if you are comparing a $40,000 used M4 and the engine grenades after a few years you are still out the same as if you bought a $90,000 new M4 that is guaranteed to loose $40k in a few years.
Newer cars will usually require dealer servicing (so as not to invalidate warranty) which is more expensive. This is as opposed to specialist servicing for older cars where alternative (cheaper) parts have become available, common fail points identified, and hourly rates are less. Newer still will cost more in servicing for day to day services.
Magnuson-Moss act. They cannot invalidate your warranty for having servicing done elsewhere unless they can prove that the problem was caused by that specific service failing.
@mikeydude750 that's good that exists. Needless to say that's only in the US. It's the standard way worldwide I'd day. Service and finance are they big money spinners for car companies
I'm looking at buying a Mazda 3 hatchback at the end of the year. I looked online at my local dealer's website, while the submodels weren't listed, the difference between a 2023 with about 25k miles, and a 2024 with around 10-15k miles was 5 grand.
It depends on the trim, I worked as sale in Mazda and if you want the update heads up display get a 24 because it adds CarPlay direction in there if you dont care a 23 carbon is really good because you get Bose. Drive both see what you like more.
For a sports car, I like older, but want the newer suspension, tire and brake technology. To me handling in a sports car is most important, and new cars have so much power you can't use it on the street.
Didn't want to lose money but really wanted a sports car. Bought a very mint, low-mileage use AP1 S2000. Virtually no maintenance costs through 4 years of ownership. Sold it (unfortunately) for a 20% premium, ultimately making a bit of $ in the process. 😊
I have neither watched the video nor read the comments, but I will note that Doug is sitting in front of TWO twenty year old Porsches...let's see what that portends!
Currently own a near immaculate 987.1 Boxster with a lot of good service history and recent maintenance. Paid 1/2 the price of an equivalent 987.2. 1/3 of a 981. And 1/4 of the price of a 718. The 987.1 easily gives you 90% of what those newer cars give. But if I had more disposable income. I would buy the newer cars. Just buy what your budget allows. BUT if you're financing a car. Perhaps stick to a MX5 or newer 86.
I've always been into older vehicles over the newer stuff; just the feel, style, and even the smell of an older car soothes the soul. However, last year, I went and bought a 2023 Honda Civic Si brand new. I think it's important that we as enthusiasts do our dugenlegence to keep these cars alive! The saying goes; vote with your wallet!
For a daily I’ll get something newer don’t have to worry about parts braking and maintenance for something fun I’ll get whatever honestly all depends on if your going to keep the car forever or just for a couple years
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The feeling when he says "something disastrous like an old range rover" and shows a picture of MY car. lol
Worst car ever
not permissible to worship anyone other than It is not Allah, the Exalted
@@لا-معبود--حق--إلا-اللهyou believe that the Quran is uncreated. But the Quran is not Allah. So you have 2 uncreated beings, separate from each other, and it is said that in heaven the Quran will speak to Allah. So is it Allah speaking to Allah? I don’t think so. Your religion is polytheistic and you should return to the original and worship HaShem.
@@لا-معبود--حق--إلا-الله Huh?
Islam is false, Jesus is king
Kennan is the type of guy who keeps a photo of Doug in his wallet.
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Your the type of guy who comments about a guy who is not in the video
Kennan is like Agent Stone and Doug is like Dr. Robotnik 😂
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The Smithers to Doug's Burns.
Doug the type of guy to quiz his wife on 2009 car prices
Hilarious
Oh! Fantastic joke my lad!
The great thing about old cars is that all of their faults are now well known and you can make an informed risk choice or budget for mitigation - ie; IMS bearings on Porsches, etc.
exactly
Good point
Excellent point, bore scoring on 911 engines (which the web will have you believe never happens), but I had to spend tens of thousands of dollars fixing 😂
Exactly why I own a 986 S and a E36 M3.
Doug, I think there’s another critical factor to consider….the usage model for the car, is this car going to your daily or frequently driven car, or more of a car that you enjoy on weekends for a fun drive. I am much more open to buying an older, well cared for car if I will only put a couple thousand miles on it each year. I personally wouldn’t want to daily a 20 year old performance car. Bill
Who remembers when Doug was the type of guy who treated a headache with a Band-Aid?
@@Affalterbach1967 I know, no explanation of the 🩹
The concept that you are buying the seller and not the car is a piece of advice that I have never heard before in 25 years of car ownership, and is absolutely on point from my experience.
“People that say ‘could of’ are idiots”. Love it!
And they could care less! 🫠
Your a very uneducated guy. 😛
He's not wrong
@@truthserum5310 "Your"?
"Prolly" bothers me just as much, if not more.
I was surprised that Doug did not talk about experience of driving more. And the use you plan for the car - daily, dinner out with the significant other, Sunday drives, HPDE, Autocross, Time Trials,
Doug is the type of gentlemen who opens the passenger door for Kennan.
You should always be courteous to the ladies.
not permissible to worship anyone other than It is not Allah, the Exalted
@@لا-معبود--حق--إلا-الله Be quiet holy I’ve seen this comment multiple times already talk about cars or something
This breakdown was way more objectively financial advice than the kinds of things I was thinking you were going to talk about.
For a sports car/performance car, newer will be much faster, but the experience will be more numbed. I prefer the slower and more analog experience. My sports car is a 1990 Rx7 and its dog slow, but it is so much more engaging than nearly anything sold today and you can’t make me stop smiling when I’m driving it. If I had the money, I’d probably get like a C7 Corvette, which I still consider a “newer” car but doing a comparable cost with the older Rx7, it’d be more likely compared to a Miata or GR86/BRZ
I'm jealous! I love all the RX7's.
"the experience will be numbed" is the single best way to have stated this truth. Just bought a 2010 STi back in June 2024 to build and daily-drive primarily because I wanted something raw, yet somewhat modern. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
2:56 I purchased an S2000 off of cars and bids in May of 23’ and it had this exact issue of working for maybe a month before the engine blew and I was out just about the entire value of the car. Such a heart break but such is the world of used cars, especially fun ones.
Wow, that sucks! I would love to own an S2000 one day, and if it happened to me, I'd be heartbroken.
Sorry to hear that! No matter how nice the photos are, a used car is never a promise. Learned that when I bought my first car a decade ago and 10 minutes into the drive home the engine gave out. I spent more on the tow home than on the car that day lol
Did you ship the S200 or drive it home when you won the bid?
Crazy. S2000 is one of the more reliable cars too. But every car isn’t 100% bulletproof. Sorry for that
@@mateogarcia4500 I looked at the history of s2ks sold at that time I'm guessing you had an ap1 . The early cars had retainer issues when over revved , timing chain tensioner issues , and generally needed to be checked for oil consumption frequently . Normally most buyers are aware of these issues and are prevented , curious as to what happened specifically to yours if you don't mind elaborating
I bought a Porsche 997.2 five years ago with 60000 miles and I've only had to do the normal scheduled maintenance. The car is now worth more than I paid.
@@Intergalactic_media how many miles have you put on it?
Same. A 2010 997.
Stonks
Yeah, but to make money you need to spend, what, 80K at least? Most normal people can't do that. And the ones that can, well, aren't normal lol
911 owners just wipe the car with tampons and talk about how the price went up while barely driving them..
Other thing about those CPOs is that they tend to come with an extended and extendable warranty. You can get a 1-5 year old mercedes with whatever is left on the original warranty, then the 1 year unlimited CPO warranty takes over, then you can extend that to a 2 or 3 (I forget) year limited warranty that handles most of the truly expensive stuff and be good to go for years even if something does happen to it
I rented a new 911 for several days. I was surprised to find that my 2012 Panamera GTS had better road feel. And, my 2008 Boxster S, which is much slower, was frankly much more fun to drive. The stick helps.
@@plasmaBrain Panamera turbo and cayman S here as well. Love them both, very different.
Typing is difficult, apparently. It is a 2013 Panamera GTS.
@@plasmaBrainthanks, I couldn't sleep guessing the exact year
I am not the least bit surprised, though I am disappointed...in Porsche.
@@comeberza Yeah, I know. Glad I could be there for you.
Great Video . . . I will say modern equals heavy. But they generally have more horsepower. In my collection I have a 1999 Porsche Carrera 4, 1999 Lotus Esprit V8, 1999 Dodge Viper RT/10 and a 1999 Ferrari 360 Modena. I love driving them as well as the newer ones, I will say I feel more connected to the road in the older cars. And all that is caveated by the fact that I am 57 years old, so you could say I am an older model!
What issues (if any) have you had with your Lotus and 360?
@@nucleargrizzly1776 The 360 I had the mirror switch go bad, would not press and select the left mirror. I recently had to replace the ride height detection switch that sort of tells the computer how to manage the active suspension. Other than that, not much . . .belts and clutch have been done in the past few years.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 The lotus has thus far been pretty reliable. I had to replace one of the window switches and fuel pump.
@@chrisbrownstead-p4h Any issue getting parts?
@@nucleargrizzly1776 You know, knock on wood, not a lot of bespoke parts i have had to replace. The clutch parts are all still available, if the trans goes, i am in trouble. If the motor has major issues, I am in trouble. But since Lotus was such a small outfit, many of their parts are taken from other manufacturers from Japanese to GM, GM owned them at the time so these cars are cobbled together from whatever they could get. The owner community is great as far as support. But you do have to be willing to roll the dice when you go out and get into it. Mine is bone stock, no increased boost, just stock. i think it is well within the limits of the car to handle 350hp.
Always seems to be more economical to fix what you have or to buy older. But sometimes in life, you just need something new and pretty and clean. I’m speaking of a car by the way.
Speaking of cars.... old, used and with blemishes here and there on their bodies.... like the old saying goes... 'It's cheaper to keep her"
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Lol😂
Of course you were 😏
I think these kind of videos are what we always wanted and needed from Doug ..... GOOD JOB DOUG
needed?
I did both. Bought a Jaguar XF new, watched it depreciate to almost nothing over 11 years (but forgave it every time I drove it) and then traded it in for a lowish miles 6 year old XJ 351 with the very rare SC V6. Bought it from a second hand car dealer (!) but it has turned out well. Will have to check those coolant pipes under the supercharger soon though.
6:50-9:40 - PERFECT advice for buying an older performance/exotic. A very decent quality '09 Manual V8 R8 in England costs around £40K and has totally bottomed out on depreciation. I did my research and found all the common issues that could reasonably be investigated and for the ones that can't, I trusted the seller on his word. The private seller was highly educated, so genuine and honest about it's flaws, car itself was meticulously cleaned and maintained and was proud of his Full Audi Service History. Two years of ownership and not a single major issue. A far cry from my Nissan 350Z ownership experience from (in hindsight) a shady dealership but that's another story. I truly bought the seller, not the car.
how was your experience with buying that 350Z im curious?
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, just like politicians, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it.
Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment and kill me. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it.
Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment and kill me. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
@@nyquilhelps4212 First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into detail about this specific car. When I asked about common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving me a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it.
Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 months warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5k on a car I paid £4k for. He didn't even recommend me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and it could literally fall apart whilst driving. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1k.
@nyquilhelps4212 - First of all, they were singing it's praises but more about 350Zs in general but not going into much detail about this specific car. I did a bit of research on 350Zs (nowhere near enough now looking back) so when I asked about certain common issues, they expertly wormed their way around giving a direct answer. There weren't too many specifics that I could pinpoint per se, but more the that bad gut feeling I got. This was my first ever car purchase and I did it on my own, so I put that uneasy feeling down to nerves of being outside my comfort zone, so I ignored it.
Bought it and enjoyed it for 2 months, then it went into, and stayed in limp mode. The dealership dragged their feet for a month (UK has laws for a mandatory 3 month warranty) then washed their hands of it. My local mechanic quoted me for the repairs to be £2.5K on a car I paid £4K for. He didn't even recommended me, he TOLD me to decline repairs as the whole chassis was rusted through and could literally fall apart at any moment whilst driving. Ended up selling the car for parts for £1K.
I'm at de club, straight up douggin' it, and my it, let's just say my muro
Something that Doug is now too rich to consider. Are you financing the car? Right now is a unique time where buying new is much more attractive than used. The interest rates are much lower, especially with manufacturers like Mazda offering 0% interest for the first 4 years.
Nah. The problem with low rate deals is that they're almost always only offered on slower selling, less fun models. If you look at the Mazda deals right now the best they'll offer you is 4.9% on a MX-5 Miata. Financing is expensive now and you're only going to be finding low rates on models that the manufacturers can't move without incentives.
Toyota had plenty of 0% APR deals when I was looking to buy my GR Corolla last year, but they wanted to offer me 9% APR (I have a 800 credit score and had 30% down payment, so it wasn't a case of bad credit). Financed through a third party at 5.7% instead.
Pro Tip: Run away from any seller who says, "well, it didn't bother me none" when a maintenance need is pointed out.
I went back and forth with buying a fun car to drive. I finally decided I didn't want to chase problems with the older cars that I wanted. I ended up buying a 2023 GR Supra. It spoke to me on multiple levels and especially since I always loved cars made from cooperative efforts from two different manufacturers. resale value basically sits around what I paid for it so I think I made the right choice.
I'd like to hear your opinion on aftermarket warranties. Wife and I regularly buy used Porsches and generally get an aftermarket warranty on them - which we have never used. (Knock wood). Nice vid.
I’ve had 2 new cars and 5 used. The car I kept the longest was a CPO Audi that was 2 years old when I bought it, a factory lease return. I kept that car for 14 years. Had very few issues. My next car is going to be a CPO as well, 1-2 years old.
I am the original owner of a 1999 986 Boxster and just got a 2023 718 Spyder. Love them both. For the money, the Boxster is an amazing car to this day. Puts a smile on my face when in either one.
"I've never really had any major issues I can think of with really any of my daily driver cars."
I certainly didn't get RUclips-famous making a whole long video series entirely about all the major issues I had with my daily driver car.
An important caveat to maintenance and repairs is how comfortable you are doing them yourself. I just bought a 986S and there is nothing I don't think I'd attempt to do on it. So I get a Porsche driving experience (it really is as good as they say) for a fraction of the cost and the fun of owning a classic car keeping it working amd nice on my own.
Great video Doug! Bought my NC Miata 3 years ago, I've put more than 30k miles on it since then - Almost at 150k miles now!
Doug is the type of guy to spend at least a million on his Carerra GT, but is thrilled to save a few grand on his Benz
Doug is the type of guy to do an entire video with a bandaid on his face
Doug rockin that early 2000’s Nelly Bandaid
Doug ft. Kelly Rowland "Dilemma (of enthusiast cars)"
My '69 Z28 and '73 911 have been been very reliable and relatively inexpensive to repair (I can do everything myself). Both have appreciated in value. Both are slower yet more fun on a twisty road than any new car I've driven.
I NEED to know the name of that dealership that sold you the E class wagon. Nobody can really get a good deal on a new or slightly used car these days, or at least in my experience.
Yup. I’ve seen $8K cars with $16K price tags on em…
Doug is the type of guy to advise buying older cars because he can't stomach the depreciation -- while sitting in front of his car which cost more than I will spend only buying new cars for my entire lifetime.
He flip flops so much! He said at the end of his Ferrari F355 video he could never buy one because of the cost of maintenance yet he proceeds to buy over 2 million dollars worth of super cars!😂
Is that the cayman 2008 that you reviewed behind you? Did you buy it!?
I’ve had my 11 year old BMW M235i for over 3 years now and have doubled the mileage and it’s been awesome!
Old. The end. They’re more about connecting the driver to the machine and to the road. And you can feel comfortable wringing them out without bankrupting yourself. Plus, I can’t afford new, so that too lol.
My 90s sports car suits me well. I’ve always liked fiddling with and repairing old things. And I bought a nicely kept one, so I didn’t have to do much quickly- I can handle things as they come along, and they do come along. I also bought it right after it hit the bottom of its depreciation curve, and it’s already worth a little bit more than what I bought it for.
Another thing that doesn't get mentioned enough is don't buy a car you can't afford. I have always paid cash for the cars I wanted, even though sometimes it meant a sub 10k Toyota. And always leave a few extra thousands for eventualities when the car does break down. I have seen too many sad stories.
I'd rather own a 35 year old car that's been well-maintained than a 5 year old car that's just been driven and maybe had its oil changed a couple times. I don't know why so many people are terrified of doing maintenance, it's not rocket science. Doesn't matter if it's a 2024 model or a 1985 model, EVERY car needs maintenance.
Really great video, I'll probably show this to some friends and maybe my parents, lol. I've been watching since I was 17 when I got my license and I've bought 4 cars since then. I've done pretty good in terms of reliability, the cars are dead solid, but my daily driver, the newest car, not the most recent car, is going to really hurt me on taxes and interest. In my province, New Brunswick, the sales tax is 15% on the dollar. Not to mention interest rates were sky high when I bought it (8.99% for 7Y). It's worth learning how to calculate interest over the length of your term and adding that to the budget. Obviously, this is a "young and dumb" mistake, but nothing I won't learn about and recover from. Also, the car is a 2017 Ford Fusion Sport. Truly underrated sport sedan if that's what you're after.
Great vid Doug
I'm now on my 2nd Subaru Outback(2017). I bought it as a low mileage certified used car in 2020 at a Subaru dealer in N. Cal. It has been so far extremely reliable. I'm a senior and I like to buy vehicles that come with a warranty. I try to keep it in excellent condition. If I choose to sell it I wouldn't lose much value. This is my 2nd certified Subaru Outback(2014) that I've purchased. The first one was a 2014 almost exactly like the second one. I sold it just before the warranty ran out. It was also extremely reliable.and It held it's value extremely well. I didn't lose any money when I sold it.......
Yes, I totally agree with you!
To me, modern cars are nice, and while sure, you no longer get an I6 engine in a standard 3 Series for example, in most cases, you are only driving in traffic, you wouldn't hear the roar of the I6 at high revs 99% of the time so they are fine :)
But if you're buying a car to have fun, THAT is when you look at older cars, because most new cars, aren't really that fun anymore, the 911 is a massive GT now, no longer a spotrs car, etc. That is when this comparison of "old vs new" makes the most sense to me 🤔
Yes, very good points!
I also want to add that it depends very much on if you have a car brand and model that you REALLY love the looks of, and heard many good things about.
Then it is worth for you to take a mitigated risk chance (like Doug explained in this video) to own this particular make and model.
The trouble then becomes to find a specific car with the exact combination of model year (for example before or after facelift), colour, engine, transmission, interior (trim, extras, seats, cloth or leather) and included tech.
That can really narrow your selection down to zero if you chose a combination that few people chose when new.
I have experience from this, and eventually had to let the colour and interior choice go.
It was difficult and I somewhat regret it today, but if you wait too long, eventually the chance to find the perfect combination can pass you by because of circumstances you can’t control.
Another reason is because these certified pre-owned cars have been real world tested for many thousands of miles - not just the cursory few miles that the new cars roll into consumers hands with - and the original manufacturers have decided that only these specific cars meet the criteria for CPO. They don't CPO every car. I do the same thing. I rarely buy new cars. My current 3 cars 2016 AMG GtS, 2021 BMW 840 Gran Coupe, and 2019 Range Rover Velar HSE were all purchased CPO.
3:17 and I took that personally…
twas personal indeed
I think the sweet spot for cars is the early to mid to maybe late 2010s. Not too many screens, still has physical buttons, etc
2022 - 2025 GT4RS is just such a car
Agreed
@@Nord_Mann you won't be able to buy one
I’m not sure the GT4rs and Lambo Sterrato are going to depreciate, but I agree with Big Doug
When production ends, they’ll start appreciating
Was discussing this topic of new vs used and risk tolerance/cost of ownership and repairs with my dad yesterday, while showing him what awesome he could get on C&B vs him telling me what he was planning to get from a local dealership new
I had a Lancia Delta Integrale that was mostly trouble free for 17,000 miles then much later got a 2016 Lexus RCF, so I have had both ends of the spectrum. Eventually I decided my fun car needed to reliably travel 3 hours on the interstate with no problems
Cool!
Other times when it's the right choice to buy a new car: when it's the only way to ensure you get the option package you want (and/or where checking the right boxes will reduce depreciation)
For example, If I had the money 12 years ago, I would've bought a CTS-V Wagon with the manual.
Mazda offers 6yrs or 200.000km warranties in my country.
Buying an mx5 was my dream since 2017. I got a new one last year(2024) since i like the ideea of not caring about more than regular maintenance since i also have small kids and don't want to deal with car mechanics for a while.
About 7 years ago I almost fell prey to the salacious idea of buying a pre-owned Jaguar XK convertible. After all, the cost of acquisition seemed so reasonable….but then my suspicions kicked in about cost of maintenance. After calling a local reputable car mechanic, he said….IF YOU BUT THUS TYPE OF CAR, JUST BE PREPARED TO HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD READILY AVAILABLE FOR UNTOLD REPAIRS. It was at that point, after finishing my call, that I experienced blissful amnesia about ever buying that type of car.
Doug your in a safe place. Tell us who did this to you????
As a car enthusiast that's also a diesel mechanic with plenty of tools, I'll stock with my older cars. You know, the ones that rely on you to be aware, know how to drive, relatively easy to fix and parts aren't so expensive. 😎
As my daughter said once: driving a new car only shows that you have a good credit, the old car shows your personality. She’s driving a GS400 I got her 3 years ago when she got her driving license.
I just bought a '06 Mini cooper s with a 6 speed manual, and i couldn't be happier😊
For now
@@maudlewis8536 thats not a very nice thing to say is it
@all-caps3927 at least a late R53 should have some of the Achilles heels sorted. My mini was a first year R56. It was rough
@@maudlewis8536 yes the key here is the word "just"....check back with us in a couple months
I bought a 2003 E55 AMG in ‘21 and the last four years have been trouble free. Seriously, just oil changes and new tires/alignment. Older cars have had the time to prove themselves as reliable or not. Plus older cars are usually way cooler 😎 trying to get into a 1999 C43 for my next daily driver!
A very large variable, whether you have a good relationship with, and access to, a trustworthy mechanic. I am comfortable with my few aged cars because I know that I will get a fair appraisal and price for the things that come up. In the past, when I moved for work or whatnot, I didn't know a good mechanic and I was so grateful to have a Toyota econobox to rely on and not low production German dailies.
We're not going to talk about that Band-Aid on your eyebrow buddy? Lol
My theory is he told Fillipo that he doesn't know about enthusiast cars one too many times, and Fillipo threw his espresso at Doug.
@@Steelcrafted I didn't notice it for almost 9 minutes
Doug is a really bad aim with his razor. 😂
He said on his podcast he lost a battle to a staircase and fell and hit his head😂
It was from the depreciation hit
I drive a 2005 Town Car that I bought for $1700 5 years ago. Put a total of around $1k into it and got 50k miles in return. A monthly payment for a similar new car is at least $800/mo. Investments have been running around 12% annualized. Unless you hate money, there's not much to discuss there.
This is about cars that are enjoyable to drive....
Beard is a good look for Doug!
That's pretty much it, you can always trade between money (for new car) or time and willingness to learn and find out (for an old car). Just remember no matter how well kept the car is, when people know they're switching cars they will stop with the maintenance so when buying old cars always budget for maintenance and repairs you need to do straight away. Don't trust the seller unreservedly, I always take the car for change of oil, break fluids and coolant, power steering and gear oil if needed. When buying new or old car if it's a car you're gonna use get one you can afford to keep.
Great Video!! Gave me a lot to think about for getting my first car! At the end of the day I have to get into something I understand. Thank you Doug!!
Don't really think you touched enough on the feel. Less electronics. Lighter weight. More direct usually (cable throttle, hydraulic/manual steering). That's what I want to know.
If you buy a used car and as most people do, finance a loan for the car, you’ll pay higher interest rates than on a new car and will get no built in oil changes and service. You may save on depreciation buying used but you’ll be a one wonder seller when you sell your new car.
"as most people do", so you are saying "most people" are stupid then? Financing a used car, especially a performance used car, is financial suicide waiting to happen. If you don't have the money DO NOT BUY IT. There are EXTREMLY FEW situations where this is acceptable and one of them implies that you have the money for it, but invest them in something that fully offsets the cost of the loan.
Ty for calling out "could of" it really hurts my feelings.
Their idiots
I rolled the dice on a 2000 996 911 with manual. Its been perfect! +20k miles on it now
For me, buy new and keep for a long time to avoid risk and unmet expectations.
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After 30+ years of buying new and used sporty/sports cars, I’ve learned buying new is the best way to go for me.
Even PPI and CPO doesn’t catch everything and once I find something (usually weeks later after driving and detailing the car) then it leads to me selling it. This hasn’t happen to me with new cars.
I've had enough crappy used cars that it's only new cars for my daily driver. I want that full factory warranty and I want to know how it's been driven since day 1. I have a classic car for fun but I don't rely on it for daily transportation.
buying brand new and keeping for 10+ years is the optimal. you spread the depreciation out over so many years that it doesn't become that big of a deal, and having the car from day 1 you can strictly stick to the maintenance schedule and always make sure to monitor how things are, so nothing should come as a surprise.
Just bought a clean stock srt4.....beating so many modern sports cars on the interstates......3 and 4 gear are crazy in this car!
GREAT informative video Doug .
Appreciate you!
Best bang for buck is Vettes, its wild to see the C7 Z06s still going for 80k+ when their MSRP is 84k or so, up until recent years I never realized Vettes were that reliable, previously lumped them in with the Hellcats and other American muscle cars. However, they are in a different league when it comes to handling.
C6 Z06 here, with the heads addressed. Got a smokin deal on it, but was not looking for a Z because of the head issue. Love the analog everything in the C6. Test drove a C7, hated the gauges and the 7 speed.
Thanks for making a video on this, Doug!
Low tech, high performance please. (993 Turbo!)
For the prices they cost now? Absolutely not. Maybe when they were 80k
I think everyone needs a base level of reliability. So your first vehicle should be either a ND2 Miata, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, GTI, or BRZ/86. But this vehicle in the best condition you can easily afford.
Your next vehicle should be a racing kart. This kart will fulfill every desire you have to go fast. It will also get you comfortable with maintaining a vehicle.
That DB9 vs DB12 comparison is an interesting one, because if you're not absolutely loaded you're almost never going to buy a new, top end car. Going for a low mileage DB11 is an interesting shout, too, half the depreciation's happened already but it's still reasonably modern.
However if you're just looking at a car like those to enjoy as a drivers car without the need to reliably travel from A to B, just to enjoy the act of driving, would you really even want a DB11? Wouldn't you rather get a manual vantage with the v8 or an old DBS?
This is extremely personal obviously, but for most people that just love driving, at least of my friends, the car being "analog" and raw is a necessity, and an actual manual from 20 years ago without any of the endless tech stuff of today is almost always going to be the choice.
Sure, if you want a nice GT car to travel cross-country for a week or two, or just making your daily commute more comfortable and fun, yeah, a DB9 or 575 or whatever is not what you want at all, but are the modern equivalents any better, truly? I don't know
Doug meantions the sweet spot and for Porsches that would definitely be a 991 or a 981. Old enough to the point that they have lost a significant amount of value but new enough to be reliable. My 981 has 110k miles on it and it has been a dream to own
I like my 2001 MR2 but I sure as hell would love a new Supra. I think there is value and an experience to be had on both sides.
and that is supposed to be informative or interestng why?
Having a mechanic that you trust in your area to do repairs on your particular vehicle type can also be a factor.
When talking about risk and comparing "equivalent" cars rather it's also important to consider the total purchase price not just depreciation. The maximum amount you can loose is 100% of the purchase price. So if you are comparing a $40,000 used M4 and the engine grenades after a few years you are still out the same as if you bought a $90,000 new M4 that is guaranteed to loose $40k in a few years.
Newer cars will usually require dealer servicing (so as not to invalidate warranty) which is more expensive. This is as opposed to specialist servicing for older cars where alternative (cheaper) parts have become available, common fail points identified, and hourly rates are less. Newer still will cost more in servicing for day to day services.
Magnuson-Moss act. They cannot invalidate your warranty for having servicing done elsewhere unless they can prove that the problem was caused by that specific service failing.
@mikeydude750 that's good that exists. Needless to say that's only in the US. It's the standard way worldwide I'd day. Service and finance are they big money spinners for car companies
I'm looking at buying a Mazda 3 hatchback at the end of the year. I looked online at my local dealer's website, while the submodels weren't listed, the difference between a 2023 with about 25k miles, and a 2024 with around 10-15k miles was 5 grand.
It depends on the trim, I worked as sale in Mazda and if you want the update heads up display get a 24 because it adds CarPlay direction in there if you dont care a 23 carbon is really good because you get Bose. Drive both see what you like more.
Might still be wishful asking prices though, what they can actually get for them might be quite different....
With everything going hybrid & full electric, I think there'll be a big switch to used and restomods.
I tend to go a little bit further than the CPO route Doug is talking about. The sweet spot for me is like 5-6 years old and ~30k on the clock
For a sports car, I like older, but want the newer suspension, tire and brake technology. To me handling in a sports car is most important, and new cars have so much power you can't use it on the street.
8:50 Could've 👌brilliant!
Owned many GT3RS since 2007 as hobby cars and have been depreciation free since 2007. My daily is a 1999 Sclass.
The audio on this video is very strange. It starts out with the echo and reverberation, then it disappears and comes back multiple times.
Didn't want to lose money but really wanted a sports car. Bought a very mint, low-mileage use AP1 S2000. Virtually no maintenance costs through 4 years of ownership. Sold it (unfortunately) for a 20% premium, ultimately making a bit of $ in the process. 😊
I'd hate to be an additional 20 years old, but we 2000s kids really missed out on the 90s v12s
Why? Go buy one.
I have neither watched the video nor read the comments, but I will note that Doug is sitting in front of TWO twenty year old Porsches...let's see what that portends!
Currently own a near immaculate 987.1 Boxster with a lot of good service history and recent maintenance. Paid 1/2 the price of an equivalent 987.2. 1/3 of a 981. And 1/4 of the price of a 718.
The 987.1 easily gives you 90% of what those newer cars give. But if I had more disposable income. I would buy the newer cars.
Just buy what your budget allows. BUT if you're financing a car. Perhaps stick to a MX5 or newer 86.
I love these videos, I alway watch them Sunday afternoon on my drive home from church
I've always been into older vehicles over the newer stuff; just the feel, style, and even the smell of an older car soothes the soul. However, last year, I went and bought a 2023 Honda Civic Si brand new. I think it's important that we as enthusiasts do our dugenlegence to keep these cars alive! The saying goes; vote with your wallet!
For a daily I’ll get something newer don’t have to worry about parts braking and maintenance for something fun I’ll get whatever honestly all depends on if your going to keep the car forever or just for a couple years
The bandage on the side of Dougs head, was from him getting into a fight for calling the LFA disappointing in his last video.
Could you please update the DOUG SCORE spreadsheet on the Doug DeMuro website? Thanks!